How would you shake up the Rank Wards?
And what sort of trion soldier would you design?

>>281119583 (OP)
>How would you shake up the Rank Wards?
nerf scorpion
nerf hound
nerf lead bullet
nerf wires

>>281119583 (OP)
>How would you shake up the Rank Wards?
King of the Hill mode. Points tick up as long as you're controlling the point, you control it by being the only squad inside the range.
>And what sort of trion soldier would you design?
I'd throw in some cheap, fast self destruct types

>>281117328
Supposing that Netsuki didn't somehow forget about Kage's side effect, he probably didn't think Kage was wild enough to break his neck. Or maybe he thought Kage would recognize his positive intentions and let it slide.

>>281119583 (OP)
>Rank Wars
Big map. Many squads. Shrinking arena. Last one standing wins.

>>281119878
He probably didn't realise it would count as negative intent and trigger the side effect.

>>281119583 (OP)
>How would you shake up the Rank Wards?
buff scorpion
buff hound
buff lead bullet
buff wires

>>281116836
>”She’s a dull woman with a fake smile always plastered on her face”
>said this just because her smile was fake the last time she looked at him

>>281119583 (OP)
Did these guys ever go to the demon dimension yet or are they still doing the school battles?

>>281117454
>>281117487
>”Why would that fool vanish without a word to you or her squadmates… and choose to ally herself with outsiders?”
>”Maybe I did indeed drive Hatohara away.”
>”I need to hear her reason directly.”
Nino…

>>281121284
Neither, they're taking written tests and playing FASA tier strategy games.

>>281119692
>Gunners vs Shooters
>Kogetsu users vs Scorpion users

>>281119583 (OP)
>How would you shake up the Rank Wards?
New modes. Capture the flag, king of the hill, rescue missions.
>And what sort of trion soldier would you design?
Swarm of bees. A bunch of tiny, fast flying trion soldiers with zero durability that are basically just a blade and enough sensors to see where they're going.

Despite her impressive I cup Nonos, Nono isn't popular at all with the boys at her school according to her bio. I think that's understandable; instead of an ara ara onee-san, her impression is more like that of a stupid, loud-mouthed, middle-aged auntie. And maybe she isn't really that much of a looker, 5.4/10 or something. 11/10 boobs doesn't mean much if she's that plain and homely. Coincidentally, her 8/10 friend Haya Kittaka is a dude magnet and smart, but she's a tallflat washboard. Hmmm, maybe they're meant to contrast each other.

>>281121690
That's just Ashihara being a flatfag. All the cow titted girls I went to school with were always the most popular with guys regardless of the rest of their appearance or their personality.

>>281115827
Taich is so lucky.

>>281121109
Nino is really trying hard to turn this into an NTR.

>>281121690
Nono is a very nice onee-san, she was just calming down Taichi and she is the one who cooks their meals, which are proper homemade dinners.

>>281119583 (OP)
>How would you shake up the Rank Wards?
Randomize the Map + Weather so no team can prepare for it.
Also 2/3 squads or random agents fighting against a singular strong opponent, simulating the high powered Aftokrator Neighbors or maybe even potential Black Trigger users. Though thinking of potential BTs sounds like a pain in the ass. Have you guys thought of any cool conceptual BTs?
>And what sort of trion soldier would you design?
More support oriented like Replica, dude is irreplaceable, or the Dogs used by Galoupa. I think the Neighborhood has all the bases covered when it comes to large scale Trion Soldiers, all that's left is improving on them.

>>281119583 (OP)
Aftokrator's Gate Rads seem legitimately busted. Especially when they're hidden inside other trion soldiers and can pop out and immediately summon reinforcements to the area if needed. The entire matryoshka trion soldier strategy seems endlessly annoying, actually.

>>281116430
Torimaru was Reiji's pupil?

>>281117862
Our bosses

>>281121925
and Netsuki

>>281117480
What were her skills again

>>281118407
>soft ntr
Is this like soft seinen thing

There it is
The operator tier list

>>281122103
Pretty much since this dicates if the operator can or not handle a full 4 man squad.

>>281117731
Why he calling her Amatori and not Chika

>>281122103
Just parallel processing, there are five other main stats relevant to operators.

>>281121690
yeah, nono seems to be seriously lacking in girl power, just look at how she manhandles taiichi. straight men generally don't prefer unfeminine women. tomboyshitters like mariofags don't count, tho, they're mostly gays in denial.

>>281122103
Kitazoe squad is so fucked. Kodera squad has a worse operator, but at least they have good teamwork.

>>281117017
I know that I am a piece of shit because I laughed at this page.

>>281122261
>Kitazoe squad is so fucked.
Nah.
We're talking about the best gunner support here coupled with one of the best and trained side effect holder.
Both of these A rank agents will make it work.

>>281122267
No, it’s always right to laugh at Nino
Everyone in Border is doing it even now while replaying round 8 of this B-rank war season

>>281122103
And here we can see that Ashihara ain't really that consistent despite his supposed autism. Kunichika's top-tier, despite being a sub-60 IQ trophy wife? Yeah, suuure.

>>281119235
My retard wife Kunichika!

>>281122421
>Kunichika's top-tier, despite being a sub-60 IQ trophy wife? Yeah, suuure.
Those IQ count

>>281122421
Too much video games, not enough studying.

>>281122421
Being a border agent is just like playing a glorified VR vidya

>>281121878
>Randomize the Map + Weather so no team can prepare for it.
This. The rank wars are full of strategies that wouldn't work at all in the real world.
>If I had to fight Aftokrator I would simply fight them on a bridge in a storm
It has the advantage of getting people to look at terrain tactically, so you could randomise some matches and choose others.

I'd also have unlimited time matches, for a similar reason. In real combat you can't just wait for the timer to run out (unless you've got reinforcements/air support/etc on the way). This would be harder to schedule, so again it could be a type of match they do a few times a season. It wouldn't be fully unlimited time, everyone would run out of trion eventually.

>>281117862
Sakurako may be in a team of shitters, but she is top quality management material at her tender age of 15.
She may be better than Osamu at networking.

>>281122103
WTF?
How is the Suwa operator so good?

>>281122421
>>281122103
there's osano and nire too. the ranking really seems very iffy. why aren't gigabrained geniuses like hana, kusakabe, and maki at the very top? small mistakes like these are why ashihara still lags behind oda when it comes to consistent and believable world building.

>>281122568
My gamer wife!

>>281122421
IQ doesn't help you multitask. Actually, they're often opposite skills, being able to focus deeply on one thing vs splitting focus between lots of different thoughts.

>>281122588
Rather than unlimited time, some kind of objective that forces timely action would probably be better. No one wants to wait around all day for Azuma to run out of trion.

>>281119213
There's another we win moment after this?

>>281122750
Almost the opposite.

>>281114056
>trading Tsuji-chan for NINOMARU
cute!
Who's the artist?

>>281122568
We never got that BBF dump, did we?

>>281122750
In a cosmic sort of way

>>281118103
Fitting that 2 A-rank agent suggested it due to an away mission complication. Since Kikuchihara does go on away mission, I wonder if it actually happened to him and he had to use someone else Trigger.

Urushima's totally gonna sneak around and hunt down the A-rank operators.

>>281122667
I bet Kunichika couldn't tell how long 60 meters is

>>281122103
>Kunichika 9
that's a lie, she's clearly a 10/10

>>281122827
How does that even work? Just conjure up a new one. They're even both scorpion users.

>>281122568
>>281122784
lmao trionlets like Osamu

So….isn’t the Trion-based power system hideously unbalanced? Mass-produced advanced magitech Trion Soldiers are useless trash, so what’s the point of using ANY Trion in them? Black Triggers shit all over everything else, to the point of a few BTs are worth an army of regular Trigger users. So then why even pursue anything EXCEPT making BTs? Frankly this whole setup seems like a way to equalize Border with the Neighbors and nothing else.

>>281118258
Talking from experience. That time with the Ilgar when a lot of civilians almost died may still be haunting her.

>>281122914
For some reason, Kikuchihara lost his trigger and Kazama was out of commision so he had to borrow his trigger.
I can imagine a scenario like that happening in away missions.

>>281122623
She's just a standout in multitasking.
>>281122932
I guess she still mogs Osamu though.

>>281122932
Most operators are trionlets
Saki might be an exception because she ragequit her agent career after Kitora made a short work of her

>>281122943
Because you're neglecting an important factor: replicability. Trion Soldiers let you guarantee some level of autonomous competency for swarm tactics that you can't expect to use real people for. Black Triggers seem to have restrictions on users inverse to their actual feasibility, meaning intentionally killing people off to produce them is using resources on the world's shittiest lottery, because even if you invest all that in a god-tier trigger, you might be forced to give it to a retard that will lose it to half a dozen enemies using air conditioning

>>281122991
an ex-fashion model despite looking like a mere 6/10? dayum. same with torimaru who's kinda meh when he's supposed to be border's top ikemen. ashihara really can't draw hot girls or guys to save his life.

>>281122998
Sayoko has agent-level trion but is too much of a shut-in to be a combatant. She also looks weirdly mature and confident in the Briefing File.
>>281123057
Fashion modeling is more about body proportion than looks. That said, Rui is still awfully short for the job.

>>281122943
It's already been explained why trion soldiers are popular. You can fit loads of them on an away ship because you can basically store them in pokeballs. Not even with a Chika battery can you bring hundreds of trigger users on an away ship.
Most neighbors also don't have bailout, so trion soldiers would be safer than sending in trigger users. They could also have some utility in sparing trigger users' trion. The trion soldier mounts shown in the prelude to the aftokrator invasion would be an example of that. The trigger users riding them are getting extra mobility without having to expend their own trion.
There are also some tasks they'd be more efficient for. Surveillance is the best example. A bunch of cheap rads or flying drones could monitor an area more thoroughly and with much less resource investment than sending out trigger users as scouts.
As for BTs, there is no indication that they can be reliably or predictably produced. And creating them involves killing people who, as far as we've seen, were more valuable alive.

>>281122943
>so what’s the point of using ANY Trion in them?
Main reason if you summon them from eggs, so you can fit 100 of them in the space of one person. They dont need food or water either, so that's more space freed up. Also people are making more trion every day just from food and sleep, so you can build your forces over time.

>So then why even pursue anything EXCEPT making BTs?
Because you can't pursue making black triggers. All the example we have are the result of powerful people in extreme emotional distress. We've been told it's unreliable as well, so you'd be killing strong units for the chance to get a weapon you might not be able to use. It's better to just fight a lot of wars and hope they pop up.

>>281121109
Hatohara is cute, she did nothing wrong

>>281123223
has anyone calculated what percentage of folks with 7 or more trion having a side effect?

>>281122932
Rude, Osamu has 2 Trion. That's more than 1.

>>281122943
WT worldbuilding is a little iffy, but the power system for the rank wars is amazing.

>>281123276
>t.

>>281123276
She directly got one A rank squad demoted and indirectly got another demoted. She is the worst thing to happen to B rank wars.

What a vile, despicable four-eyes!

>>281119427
>Yuuma: Professional Japanese Person.
Kek.
>Miura: Bottomless bag of kindness.
So a cuck.

>>281123382
If one of the BT users were to go all-out, would ANY number of these ranking competitors realistically stand up to them? Wouldn’t Jin just be an auto-pass for #1? If Kuga was violent and Jin wasn’t there, would Border have any realistic means of defeating him?

>>281116230
>trying to teach a person
>sees that waiting for them to speak up isn't working
>continues to do so anyway
Inukai learned it from watching his captain.

>>281118258
Aren't these the soldiers from Spinthir? I think the helmets have three slits like in Yuuma's backstory.

I loved the speculation tidbits about the older agents and their career choices man, such good characterization in this manga.

>>281123564
Hyrein, Mira, and Enedora were all defeated by normal trigger users. It takes a group effort but they're not invincible.

>>281123246
>>281123254
But when have these Trion Soldiers done ANYTHING relevant? Okay, they are good for recon and surveillance (and abductions), but against trained Trigger teams they are just live-fire training dummies; having a hundred is a distraction for real combat forces at best.

>>281122667
>oda
>consistent and believable world building
lol, lmao even

>>281123564
no singular squad could take on any 3 of Borders BTs. both Kuga and Jin proved this, and we know Amo surpasses both of those in terms of pure power. It'd take 3 to 4 squads to be on equal terms with Jin/Kuga.
I do legitimately think Amo would wipe out every squad at once, but we don't know how his BT even works.

>>281123386
the b rankers hates her

>>281122103
I'm surprised how low Ren is, given she used to command a 4 man squad, and one of the most dysfunctional ones at that too(Old azuma squad). The old azuma squad actually doesn't make sense as a whole, cause how they did not dominate A rank wars.

Parallel processing =/= IQ

>>281123638
A distraction is still valuable. Do you honestly think the Afto invasion would have gone better if they had zero trion soldiers, and all of their trigger users plus one more attacked at once, with EVERY single Border member being able to focus on them without having to deal with rampaging soldiers in the background?

>>281123638
In both invasions the majority of the defending agents were busy dealing with them. And if Tokieda is to be believed and Kakizaki squad were the only B ranks not to have anyone bail out, then they were also taking people out off screen.
The numbers provided by trion soldiers are very strategically valuable. It doesn't matter that they're weaker than trigger users. Someone still has to go stop them from destroying infrastructure or killing or abducting civilians. Which are defenders who are then unavailable to fight the main force of trigger users.

>>281123638
Well, they fucked up the city pretty good and they're the reason there's an entire uninhabitable zone full of decaying buildings and rubble.

>>281123967
Trio is just too powerful against non-trion.
Tbh Border would probably been nuked by now.
The only way for it to make sense is if "earth" as we know is a lie all along and Border maintain the illusion through Trion.
That or a digital world with set parameters that excuse foreign intervention.

>>281121109
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>>281116736
>>281116836
>>281117017
>>281117487
Even rereading it, this scene is fascinating. Ostensibly this is just Ema learning what happened, and the audience through him, but it's also a deep look into Nino's unfiltered motivations and actions from his perspective. He personally went to confront command about the decision, and then personally went to beg someone to help him become stronger. He then very confidently tells Hatohara they'll all get on the away mission together.

It's no wonder he's so autistically mad about this. Imagine if Chika pulled this on Osamu after all he's done? Of course, the personalities involved are very different. Osamu's deep selflessness is readily apparent to his friends, who want to look out for him in turn. Whereas one gets the sense Hatohara may never have known the lengths Ninomiya was willing to go for her. It's also good to compare him to Ema:

>>281116956
This was the exact wrong fucking thing for Ema to say. Calling it a "problem" only highlights the angst Hatohara is in. Unlike Chika, she'll never be able to shoot someone. Just like Azuma pointed out. So Ema calling it something she can get over to achieve her goal only hurts her, because she knows she can't. It's not made explicit, but compared to how Nino's pep talk went and how she looks after talking to Ema, it's highly like he destroyed her self confidence here after Nino brought it back up a bit.

You can also see his misunderstandings forming, saying stupid shit like "if only they heard her out."

And now he's only just realizing Hatohara also left him behind as well. Unlike Chika, Hatohara was unable to bring herself to let her friends make grand gestures for her, leaving them left feeling abandoned and ignored.

>>281124044
Now IMAGINE how Nino felt when he heard this shit

>>281124044
While Ema's conversation with her definitely didn't help, she was going to do it anyway. The fact that Kido couldn't give them a solid answer is what decided it. She assumed (probably correctly) that she would never get to the neighborhood through border no matter what she or her squad did.
Even if Nino did make her feel better it didn't matter. Because he still couldn't get her to the neighborhood.

>>281124162
I wonder if they'll ever reveal who the other collaborators were, or if it was just the two of them.

>>281124044
>Whereas one gets the sense Hatohara may never have known the lengths Ninomiya was willing to go for her
I interpreted this differently, that she absolutely didn’t want to get them involved any further because of her own goals. They wanted to help ‘her’, but if they had gone with her, it would’ve likely ruined their lives. So she went with a bunch of people who were as desperate as her for similar reasons.

Since Border has some sort of memory wiping tech? Why don't they try and make something that forces memories out? would interrogation 100x easier.

>>281124396
I agree. Her not telling anyone anything suggests to me that she didn't want them ruining their lives getting involved like you say or even just getting held accountable because they knew. Obviously her squad did still get demoted. But if border had reason to believe any of them were aware of what she did and didn't report/stop her they probably would have mind wiped them and kicked them out.

>>281124044
Another angle is Hatohara's self esteem. She knows that Ninomiya wants to help her, she knows that everyone in her squad wants to help her, but she feels so useless and that she is dragging her friends down, especially since the only one who wants to go the neighborhood is her.
In Chika's case, at least she knows that she is not the only one who wants to go on the away mission.

>>281123638
A few Ilgars in self destuction mode while you send a lot of Marmods to attack the citizens is a great way to destroy a base.

>>281124715
That unconditional kindness that Kitora talked about.

>Taichi would have been a great game designer in another universe
Is he joining Raizo and Kinuta, bros? For some reason he strikes me as an engineer.

>>281119583 (OP)
Seems like i didn't miss the chapter but I don't remember anything about it

>>281122552
The retarded couple.
Izumi doesn't have a chance.

>>281122667
You know that parallel processing is not the same as being smart right?

>>281125302
Tachikawa is barely in the squad room, remember he farms points from everyone in solo rank wars everyday.
I'm pretty sure Izumi often sent Yuiga out to have the room for himself with her.

>>281119814
I like the way you think

>>281116499
I can't believe no straight up told Nino
> It's not uncommon for triggers to be extensions of the body in the neighborhood
Instead of letting him leave with the mistaken impression that there is even a possibility of her being chosen as a combatant if the team performs well enough in the rank wars.

I also wonder why Hatorah, knowing she has such a strong aversion to combat choose to try and climb border's ranks as a sniper instead of an operator.

>>281125414
Maybe Hatohara is completely useless as an Operator.

Chika is a total beginner, but she became quite good at sniping after a few months of training.
Arafune also learned to become a fairly good sniper after being an attacker.
They still haven't shown solo operators... I wonder how Rokuta got Urushima.

>>281125433
That's possible, but she must have been insanely talented when she first joined to look between
>A role I suck at
>A role I am physically incapable of fully meeting no matter how much skill I get
Only to decide to work on the second against all the other skilled agents in the border.
Though maybe it wasn't as obvious at first?

With how emotional Ninomiya is, do you think he will slap Hatohara if he ever finds her?

Hatohara probably don't listen to the commentaries on their matches because they're probably filled with people insulting her for not taking good shots.
Heck, maybe their opponents would just run openly without weapons because they know she won't shoot.

>>281125691
Hug, definitely.
God, I want to see that.

>>281125704
At least for Nino squad that isn't the worst because it most situations it either means going full defensive against Nino (assuming she would shoot shooter cubes too).
The real issue is specifically Scorpion (especially if you use them like Yuma pre Beyblade), cause chances are most of the angles she'd have to break your Scorpion would either hit you too or hit her allies.
At that point the only way she could contribute is if she could shoot your shields but that practically requires Jin's side effect,

>>281125704
It wouldn't even have to be intentional. Scorpion users frequently run around without their weapons out. And shooters pretty much always do.
>>281125414
On the one hand, it was stupid of her to try and be a sniper if she can't shoot people. On the other hand, the higher ups not letting her go when they are likely going to be taking the spotter girl on the upcoming away mission is hard to justify.
If Hatohara had replaced one of her sniper triggers with enhanced radar and said she was a spotter would they have let her go?

>>281125732
That's the only time we will ever see him being emotional.

>>281126408
*very visibly emotional

>>281126165
>going to be taking the spotter girl on the upcoming away mission is hard to justify.
I don't think it is.
The spotter girl provides clear combat value and would actively work better in an actual combat situation where she isn't dropped randomly as a strategic asset.
Hatoharah on the other hand, can only work in border where a number of triggers manifest as separate weapons that can be removed.

Amongst the aftokrator and Galopula guys Hatohara would be useless against.
>Hyrein, Mira, Hyuse, Enedora, Koskero, Rata
She'd be capable of assisting for sure against
>Trion soldiers, Wen So (by breaking the cloning trigger), Visa (in theory)
It's unclear if she could help against
>Ranbanein, Reighi, Gatlin
As they use triggers that morph their body into weapons which is a line we don't know if she can cross.

>If Hatohara had replaced one of her sniper triggers with enhanced radar and said she was a spotter would they have let her go?
I think they'd be fine with letting someone with no weapons go if they could provide combat value, Fuyushima is in the away missions afterall.
The issue is that Hatoharah would have to show that she's capable of being effective enough in that role that she's a better choice than other combatants.
Something that wouldn't be achieved just by slapping an enhanced radar on her triggerset but by actually acting as a spotter in the rank wars.

>>281125556
>Though maybe it wasn't as obvious at first?
Probably something like that. Remember what Toma said about people who can't shoot people getting filtered to other career tracks while they were C-rank? Hatohara probably should have been one of the people filtered while she was a C-rank, but she was either unwilling or unable to change to a different career track in Border and become an engineer or operator. She got through by learning to shoot people's weapons and finding a team okay with her limitation, but ultimately ran up against the wall of the top brass knowing that her limitation would be a dangerous liability on an away mission.

>>281121284
They're done with school battles. Now they're doing homework and playing video games.

>>281121759
The girl at my school with the biggest tits wasn't popular at all. She was so lonely that she even talked to me.
It might be a cultural thing. I live in ass country, not boob country.

>>281122608
Ebina Squad isn't doing that bad. Pretty sure Urushima booted their team down for the story to work.

BTW is it ever explained why these highly advanced magitech civilizations act so barbarically? I get that that they’re in a state of constant war with one another, but why is the normal relationship with Meeden “kill, abduct, steal”? If one of them wanted resources, how about a diplomatic mission for trade instead? It would like if the US and Europe went to Sub-Sahara Africa and the rain forests to abduct people and steal their stuff and not think twice doing it. These are people who operate magitech robots and spaceships, not pre-industrial revolution plantations.

>>281126894
Border had diplomatic relationship with 3 close worlds so it's not impossible so diplomacy is not impossible, but you also have to remember that they need trion for everything because those stuck up barbarians haven't developed a different source of energy.

Why don't they just cube people for the trip and uncube them when it's fight time?

>>281126894
> but why is the normal relationship with Meeden “kill, abduct, steal”?
That's really only the ones invading.
Outside of that trade can be difficult due to orbits.
But there are neutral relations that have been had.
There's the 3 world tamakoma represented.
But there are also other worlds that are willing to trade with the away squads from border or even hire them as mercenaries in exchange for the enemies triggers (volume 8 corner 7)

>>281122932
No, they're nothing like Osamu.
Osamu has more trion than them, but he's a worse trionlet because he doesn't know his place.

>>281126894
>went to Sub-Sahara Africa and the rain forests to abduct people and steal their stuff
Isn't that how they did it with their resources?

>>281126618
>useless against Rata
That's the neighbor she would probably have the easiest time with. His weapons aren't anywhere near his body. And she could definitely shoot at Reghi's and Gatlin's as they are not fused with their body like Ranbanein's. Although it's unlikely that any ranged trigger would be able to meaningfully damage the crab. She also would not be entirely useless against Koskero. It would be like scorpion users, hard to get a good shot but not strictly impossible.
>The spotter girl provides clear combat value
Does she? I'm sure she does in rank wars. But how sure can border be that whatever enhanced radar does is actually relevant against neighbors? They have different tactics and stealth triggers that could make her 100% useless. If anything, she's even more of a gamble than Hatohara who at the very least would be able to shoot trion soldiers.
>I think they'd be fine with letting someone with no weapons go
>Hatoharah would have to show that she's capable of being effective enough in that role
If that's the case then why not say so? Why fuck around with the "we'll consider it" instead of coming right out and saying "if she wants to go but can't shoot then she needs to do this instead"?
I don't really want to defend Hatohara. Trying to be a sniper that can't shoot people is extremely stupid. But I just can't buy their argument against her inclusion. Shinoda even outright says it's because she can't defend herself, which spotter girl absolutely cannot do and even Fuyushima would realistically struggle with more than Hatohara.

>>281126894
>It would like if the US and Europe went to Sub-Sahara Africa and the rain forests to abduct people and steal their stuff and not think twice doing it.
This is pretty much what happened, to an even greater extent even considering they took those places over for quite a while.

Imagine if the female agents knew about the Ninomaru

>>281126982
The cubing thing is new tech developed by Aftokrator for capturing trigger users. So it's not really sufficiently developed or widespread for it to be a viable offensive option.

>>281126894
If there was a giant continent with a populace that can't fight back against you, why wouldn't a kingdom raid it, compared to attacking another kingdom that could feasibly fight back?

>>281126982
Border doesn't have Alektor. And even if they did, Aftokrator didn't bother to do that either, likely because uncubing people requires resources that can't be brought on an away ship.
But that does seem like the sort of thing that could be refined over time and eventually become viable. Although the story will definitely end before then.

>>281127265
Not canon but that after-credits bit between Torimaru in a suit and Konami was cute.

>>281126894
The fact that Neighbourhood worlds require Trion to even exist incentivises a lot of desperate brutality and pragmatism. Nations with abnormal orbits in particular will have a much harder time establishing and sustaining solely off of long-term trade relationships.
Attacking Meeden used to be a low-effort, low-resource procedure that bore a lot of fruit up until Border was solidified as an organisation. Just send a few Trion soldiers and pop them back home without involving any personnel. Basically no loss from a failed attempt, and loads to gain in comparison.

>>281127265
Youtarou and Hyuse took pics and sold it in Border Black Market.

>>281127289
Zimbabwe can’t fight back against France, but the French don’t raid Zimbabwe for their stuff — they buy things normally. Because raiding another country is illegal and the rest of the world would hardly tolerate it.

>>281127644
Just do it subtly. The giant operation that killed half of Old Border was an anomalous occurrence.
>Because raiding another country is illegal and the rest of the world would hardly tolerate it.
Not in the Neighbourhood. They all seem to be monarchies rather than democratic organisations with a Geneva Convention to follow.

>>281127644
Raiding other places for stuff used to be quite normal. It wasn't even that long ago. In fact, it still happens in more lawless areas. And planets orbiting out of range of reprisals is a pretty good way of encouraging some lawlessness.

>>281127197
>His weapons aren't anywhere near his body
But there's no point in shooting them. She could at best deflect it, but that's pretty much it.
She isn't capable of disarming him.
>Gatlin
He fused the canon with his body.
>Reghi's
His replaces his arm from what I can tell
> She also would not be entirely useless against Koskero
She would, Koskero uses 2 triggers himself, an octagonal blade they all have that isn't held (so it can't be shot off) and can consistently clash with a kogetsu with no signs of damage (so its more resilient than shields 2 of which is going to be the upper limit of what Hatorah can meaningfully harm).
> But how sure can border be that whatever enhanced radar does is actually relevant against neighbors?
That would entirely depend on how the technology is implemented, but I don't see why it would even be a trigger allowed for agents if it's something that basically only worked in rank wars.
At the very least enhanced radar shoul work against trion soldiers trying to hide their signatures which already means that it does work to some extent, its probably not going to cover every case but that's fine.
>Shinoda even outright says it's because she can't defend herself
Because her job as a sniper requires that.
Even in the case that Hatorah do her job as a sniper to disable a target what happens next?
She's made herself known by taking the shot and now has to rely on someone else to protect her.

Fuyushima and Asumi don't have this issue.
For one, they are going to be harder to find thanks to using a better bagworm altogether.
Secondly, they don't need to reveal themselves to do their job.
Thirdly, they actually account for how to defend themselves in their triggers.
Fuyushima can use switch box or chameleon to escape.
Asumi has dummy beacons and a teleporter.
Hatohara had 3 snipers, spider, and the usual bagworm double shield.
The only option she's well-versed in for defending herself is disarming people.

>>281119583 (OP)
Rate Ashihara’s editors

>>281127768
Saito's the one allowing his frequent break before the big hiatus, right?

>>281127768
Who was the one who forced the dumb cat to rest before he broke his neck? He is the best editor.

>>281127814
>>281127994
It's Saito IIRC

>>281121887
It's ome of the reasons karasuma switched to tamakoma.

>>281127734
>But there's no point in shooting them.
Galopoula triggers appear to have finite uses. Damaging or destroying them would be more impactful than shooting someone's scorpion that they can make more of as long as they have trion.
>the canon
I meant the crab. But I think she'd be able to rationalize shooting the cannon too. His arm was cut off. It wasn't there under the cannon.
>His replaces his arm
It comes out of his backpack like the crab.
>can consistently clash with a kogetsu with no signs of damage
So can a kogetsu. No one has ever mentioned her being unable to disarm attackers, so this level of durability doesn't seem to have been an issue.
>I don't see why it would even be a trigger allowed...
Bagworm is all but required despite also having this very obvious issue of being potentially useless depending on the tactics and technology of the neighbors they're dealing with. But at least no one is relying on bagworm as their only means of contributing.
>She's made herself known by taking the shot and now has to rely on someone else to protect her.
This is the case for every sniper except Arafune and Chika. None of the rest of them are equipped to fight off pursuers. The more skilled ones like Ema can sort of fight it out while fleeing. But they still have to flee to have any hope of surviving.
>Fuyushima and Asumi don't have this issue.
Yes they do. We know switchbox isn't that long ranged or he wouldn't have been up on that roof (and his range stat is 4). And while we haven't seen it yet, there's zero chance that enhanced radar is long ranged either. And their bagworm is just more efficient to compensate for their other high cost triggers. But snipers stay bagwormed all the time too. Someone hiding in the thick of things is in at least as much danger as a far off sniper that has taken a shot. And neither switchbox nor teleporter nor chameleon are better defensive options than running the fuck away like every other sniper. They don't even have 2 shields.

>>281123564
We've seen BTs get taken out by regular trigger users during the Aftokrator invasion, and that was with many A-rankers unavailable due to trion soldiers/recruiting trips. Also, Amo is still there and he's supposedly better than Jin in terms of raw firepower. We haven't seen him fight because he's an actual nuke and not fit to fight anywhere populated.
>>281123674
To be fair, Jin not only has a black trigger, but his side effect also has superb defensive utility. He's mostly impossible to catch off guard, which is not true for the rest of black trigger users.

>>281123804
They did. The first iteration of Azuma Squad was ranked #1 until it disbanded.

>>281128261
Battle shounen meta aside, though. Since this is a battle shounen,genre law applies: the good guys cannot lose or even suffer serious losses, no matter who the enemy is. A dozen BTs could have attacked and the result would be the same. But if we take the genre law out of the equation and just look at the facts objectively, just one BT would cause a mass die-off of Border agents even if Border won, and FOUR BTs is complete annihilation if there were no BTs to face them. Also, an entire nation which does nothing but war for most of it’s history should have amazingly good Trigger teams even besides the BTs, and these alone should have stomped on Border which is still new.

>>281128275
>Masataka Ninomiya's a bitch ass motherfucker. His girlfriend pissed on my fucking brother. That's right, she took her pacifistic fucking cunt out and she pissed on my fucking brother and she said "guess I can hit a person after all" and I said "that's disgusting".
>So I'm making a callout post on my twitter dot com: Masataka Ninomiya, your girlfriend's got small tits, they're the size of this walnut except way smaller. And guess what? Here's what my trion dong looks like. That's right baby, all lead, no misses, no survivors, look at that it looks like two giant cubes and a sniper rifle.
>She fucked my brother so guess what? I'm gonna fuck the Earth. That's right this is what you get, MY SUPER LASER PISS. Except I'm not pissing on the Earth, I'm gonna go higher, I'M PISSING ON THE MOON. HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT ABE, I PISSED ON THE MOON YOU IDIOT!
>You have twenty-three hours before the piss drop-el-ets hit the fucking Earth, now get out of my fucking sight, before I piss on you too.

>>281127197
Well, first of all, the premise that they are taking the squad with the spotter along to the Neighborhood is a dubious premise. They *might*, but it's entirely possible if not likely that rather than sending all of A-rank on the away mission, they'll be sending only a few extra squads, including the B-rank squads, and the remaining A-rank squads will stay behind to form the core of Border's defense against anything nastier than the standard casual raids.

However, even if Amakura goes to the Neighborhood, she's not going to be the same liability that Hatohara would have been. She has a teleporter and dummy beacon triggers to escape danger, and the enhanced radar trigger she has means she'd be functioning as a scout and as a spotter for snipers and other ranged weapons. So she has a clear and useful role to play, unlike a sniper that can't shoot all targets.

Beyond that, Border may have been entirely fine with Hatohara going to the Neighborhood as a spotter. They said 'Not under the current circumstances', not 'Never'. The problem is that Hatohara left for the Neighborhood nearly a year ago, and being a spotter simply wasn't an option at the time. The databook was released before the proper debut of Katagiri squad, so we've got limited information on the spotter Amakura. However from what we do know, she's the first spotter having created the position. She joined Katagiri squad after they stopped being Azuma squad 2.0 and went independent. The teleporter and dummy beacon triggers are both still prototype triggers. Plus Katagiri squad is the lowest ranked A-rank squad. So while we don't have an exact timeline, the evidence points to dummy beacon and teleport not being available triggers at the time Hatohara left. Then months later, they were developed, Azuma squad 2.0 went independent and became Katagiri squad, and Amakura joined and made spotter a functional role that Border might approve for away missions. But too late for the impatient Hatohara.

is Ninomiya really in love with such an uggo?

>>281126618
The Aftokrator and Galapoula away teams were elites with experimental/black triggers. Border's triggers are based on neighbor triggers so it's safe to assume that there is at least a decent number of triggers that work as detached weapons.

>>281128459
No he does not love Chika

>>281122555
The human brain can't focus on more than one thing (or rarely two separate ones) at a time, because our "conscious" brain can only use like 0.1% of the brain's total "computational power", the rest goes to the "unconscious brain" that handles *all* autonomous functions of your body *and* (most importantly) "learned" behavior, a.k.a. "muscle" memory, which actually also includes stuff that the brain learns to automate, such as almost all social behavior, responses and reactions, processing your eyes' inputs and your "instinctual" reactions, stuff like riding a bike or driving a car, and all those things you would consider part of parallel processing.
Basically, the more tasks the operator can learn to "automate" and perform without actually thinking about them, the better their parallel processing "stat" should be.

>>281118301
the fuck
I though Hana is a genius-level operator that is holding back because of some retarded Katori reason
but she's actually just....shit?

>>281128592
Everyone in that team has issues.
Yes, miura being an npc with zero presence is an issue.

>>281128592
No, she's perfectly decent. She's just a bit below average at multitasking. So for example if they tried to solve their problems by adding a fourth squad member, she might have a hard time keeping up with everyone.

>>281128592
Hana still is a genius and the only capable strategist on her team, her low parallel processing stat could mean she can simply be more easily overwhelmed trying to keep track of a more chaotic battlefield.

>>281128422
>is a dubious premise
Even if they're not taking her, it's not going to be because she can't defend herself, despite that objectively being the case.
>liability that Hatohara would have been
Having now thought about this a bit from having made the other posts; Hatohara was in no more danger nor any more of a liability than any regular sniper. Just look at how other snipers fight. Pokari getting killed by Hisato is the best example. Snipers are so utterly helpless when someone is on them like that that he instead shot at a completely different target while his assailant approached him and that was genuinely the most optimal move. How was Hatohara more vulnerable than that? Hell, she might have been able to shoot the Kogetsu out of his hand if she was as good as people say.
>she has a clear and useful role to play
Unless the neighbors aren't hiding their trion signatures. Even most border agents usually don't. And neither aftokrator nor galopoula brought snipers. If no one is hiding then she is certainly less useful than a sniper that can kill trion soldiers.
Which would you rather have against Hyrein? A spotter to spot the not at all hidden neighbor and his equally not hidden trion soldiers? Or a sniper that can shoot at the rabbits?
This discussion has convinced me. Ema and Ninomiya were right. She should have been allowed to go.

>>281128773
>can't shoot people
>has huge personal reason which can distract her from current mission
>ugly flat
i wouldn't let her go neither

>>281128817
They're willing to let T-2 go and they all have equally or more distracting side missions.

>>281128368
You're wanking BTs for no reason. Aside from Organon, we've never seen any BTs that powerful.
>Fuujin
Literally just a sword with a very versatile long range slash. It's powerful but it has a limited number of special slashes, once it runs out it's just a sword like any other. It's only cracked when Jin uses it because he can see the future and set up traps. In the hands of any other fighter, it has very clear limitations, which is why Miwa didn't adopt it full-time.
>Kuga's BT
Extremely versatile but it's not particularly sturdy. We saw Kuga get his arm shot off by a regular sniper. It could be taken down with proper teamwork, especially if you yourself have a BT (or in this case two) in your arsenal. Also, take into account that Kuga has replica's support.
>Mira's BT
It creates portals. They can kill people. That's about it. You can shoot through the portals she creates and they're not that quick to kill people as Yoneya was able to avoid them. It's mainly a support trigger, and it got a lot of mileage off bringing trion soldiers along. There's another reason why you need them.
>Enedora's BT
It's pretty much inmune to damage until you figure out the gimmick. Once you figure it out, you just need to locate the relay system and take it out.
>Hyrein's BT
It's useless against non-trion stuff. It can't make actual shields and depends on its animal to create makeshift ones, so great snipers can aim for the gaps and hit the user. Agile fighters can avoid the animals, and layered shields hard counter them. Miwa was literally fighting him to a stalemate.
>Viza's BT
This is the one that might actually be invincible by itself. It's also supposed to be the absolute strongest in Afto's arsenal so it's evidently an exception and not the rule. Close and mid-range fighters get inmediately stomped. We don't know how it deals with snipers and explosives though.

>>281128974
Same guy -- I ran out of space.
Black Triggers (except Organon) can't stomp entire armies by themselves. They need support from regular units to prevent an entire army from just ganging up on them, figure them out and beat them. Sure, if you send a dozen BTs then yeah, they'll stomp, but that would leave Afto unprotected from enemy BT attacks, so it's more practical to just send a bazillion trion soldiers to take attention away from the BTs and let them work without getting overwhelmed. An actual army would be better, but the away ship doesn't have much space, so trion soldiers are the better option for invasions/raids. I don't know why you're understimating Border's strength when there was an entire arc dedicated to fighting BTs.

>>281128974
Amo's BT seems strong as well.

>>281121334
It occurs to me that one thing that kinda sucks for Ema and Ninomiya is that Osamu sort of got what they didn't. Hatohara left them without a word of warning or a goodbye. Meanwhile Rinji informed Osamu of his plans ahead of time, including the proof of having a trigger and knowing where gates would open, and while he lied to avoid taking Osamu along, he did set up a delayed email to apologize to Osamu for not taking him, including a reason he didn’t want to bring Osamu along. While Hatohara apparently left no such message for her squad or her student.

Now I kind of wonder if Ninomiya resents that Osamu got warning from Rinji, while he got none from Hatohara. It’d help explain some of his hostility.

>>281128932
yeah but they're not ugly, so it's fine

>>281129046
The longer it takes to show what Amo can actually do and not just the aftermath, the stronger it'll be.

>>281129046
Yes, but I didn't wanna speculate too much. So far we only know it's got a monster form and that it's pretty much a nuke.

>>281129074
Proof that Hatohara is shit.

>>281127768
All the Bakuman characters.

>tfw you realise that world trigger's anime was probably supposed to be a sunrise studio 8 (same staff as many sunrise studio 8 anime) anime but they were busy with love live at the time.

>>281129140
She always was
Only Nino thinks otherwise

That Azuma is scary, like his jaw got unghinged.

>>281129652
Fuck, Kitora is so beautiful smiling like that.
I thought that was someone else for a moment.

>>281124162
Ouch. So he'd been deluding himself she must have been coerced up til this point.

>>281129652
am i dumb who the fuck is 12

>>281129721
Nasu.

>>281129652
Kazama really looks like a kid like that.

>>281122103
How come Somei is this low when she's the only one who displayed complete tracking of all agents movements in a match (in t2-zaki-katori match)

>>281116923
>Toma gets the green light, but they said no to you?
What the fuck is Ema even smoking here? I get he respects Hatohara as his mentor but Toma is the NUMBER ONE SNIPER IN BORDER WHO ONLY SHOOTS TO KILL. Of course he's got more priority than a trionlet chick who can't even trion bodies without puking her guts up.

>>281129274
Manga was rather popular before hiatus and climbed to #4 spot in jump so it was destined to get ruined by toei like toriko and every other promising shonen from that era

>>281123223
considering the age she was a child model so her height was an advantage

>>281130654
Yeah, I wondered that too. Perhaps it's because Toma fucks around in training while Hatohara seems the serious, diligent type.

>>281123564
More shit > less shit. BTs like Organon can take out 3-4 squads at once if they have no data but with proper staggering even a kill clean on one full squad would be a lot to ask. The real trick would be guys like Enedora who they must analyze before dealing with it or use overwhelming firepower to just blast it to bits.
5-7 squads decisively focus fire and kill any of the afto's BTs with no losses either than attacker fodder and one Chika evaporates any BT user from the face of the earth the real issue is getting them there. Having Fuyushima's teleports all over Mikado would go a long way.

Is this panel a foreshadowing for when Katori buckbreaks this bitch with wire combos?

>>281123638
these guys raped Kitora

>>281123638
Rabbits were fucking B-rankers and even some of Borders' top agents like Ko and Kitora were struggling against them.

>>281127768
first two are god tier first one helped him shape up the manga and second guy saved Ashihara's life.

>>281128459
see how he is acting when the conversation shifts to her? Nino is absolutely livid about Hatohara and can't let go. He is down bad even after she cucked him with a rando.

>>281128592
Hana's stats look like this
Trion 2
Mechanical Operation 8
Data Analysis 7
Parallel Processing 5
Tactics 7
Command 7
with a total of 34 she ties with Osano for example and is 5 points below Usami

>>281131108
>think you are the male lead of Hatohara's shoujo manga
>100% had some extremely cheesy confession ready for when they were confirmed to go on the away mission
>ntr'd by balls of still wild chad
>... who rubbed off on his mentee so hard you got 2trion hounded

>>281131108
>>Ninomiya
>Hatohara lived rent free in his head
>>the rest of Ninomiya squad
>cool and understanding of Hatohara's decision

>>281128459
Yes, Nino has developed feelings for Mikimo after being penetraties nu his 2 trion houndo. It's why he's such a tsun.

>>281131210
>Mikimo after being penetraties nu
Never phone post kids.

>Hatohara the 3/10 who is a key to everything and has a habit of cucking loyal and passionate Ikemen with random thugs she finds on the street.
its like she got isekaid into WT from some otome managa.

>>281131108
>Nino would have won if he hadn’t acted emotional about Hatohara in front of Osamu, giving the Four-Eyes an insight of his true nature

>>281127768
The difference in how Ashihara draws Hattori and how Obata draws him is hilarious.

>>281127768
Nobody's giving Yoshida the recognition he deserves for redeeming the anime

>>281129552
>blond
>tall
>sharp cold eyes
>absurdly intelligent
>no morals
Ninobros... its not looking good.
Ninocuck aside there is a good chance Rinji would force and train Hatohara to shoot people even if she would cry, puke and fight back. Just feels like a guy who would do that.

>>281131336
one of these guys saved Ashihara's life

>>281131359
Well yeah everyone but Saito is obviously fighting for 2nd place, but it still deserves to be mentioned

>>281131108
>>281131164
Not every guy want to fuck a girl from his peer group.
Friends exist.

>>281131348
Funny that he's the literal personification of NTR Man in Osamu vision.

>>281131434
First of all its pretty clear that Nino isn't her friend, at least Hatohara doesn't consider him close enough to be worthy of her trust.
Secondly he is obsessed.

>>281131436
Chika has already confirmed that it is in fact the case, canonically Rinji is the NTRman.

>>281131478
Chika only confirmed Rinji could act like a mastermind who manipulates dumb women like Hatohara

>>281131502
nuff said

>>281131434
Right, like Nino is friends with his operator and Inukai and Tsuji were friends with Hatohara.
Nino absolutely wanted to fuck Hatohara tho.

>>281131434
Anon…
Osamu made a point that there’s a difference between how other Nino squad members think about Hatohara and how Ninomiya himself thinks about her

>>281131560
>fuck
knowing Nino he bought and is still carrying the ring on him

>>281131587
They could've just been good friends.

>>281131612
if they were such good friends Hato would talk to him more about her troubles, instead she chose to talk to Ema who made a blunder and gave her a final push to fuck off.

>>281131631
Hato and Ema had even closer relationship than her with Nino and she didn't even tell him.

>>281131680
what you are actually saying is that Hatohara didn't have a single friend in Nino squad.

>>281131696
Nope, she didn't tell anyone even her closest people.

>>281130654
>Toma is the NUMBER ONE SNIPER
That's Azuma

>>281131720
bullshit, she wanted help, Which is why she chose to talk to Ema, here I'l link it
>>281116956
this was the moment of no return. Hatohara needed and wanted encouragement not this. She couldn't talk to her squad mates because she wasn't sure how they feel about her performance and was too afraid she was bringing them down.
We know for a fact Nino was willing to skin himself, grovel before higher-ups and publicly kowtow to better agents to get her there. He was 9000% on Team Hatohara and he didn't care if she couldn't shoot or not. Yet Hatohara is acting like she wasn't aware of any of this.
Hatohara is female Inukai 3/10 version. Her appearances and behaviors are about as real as Inukai's smile, probably less.

>>281130955
The storytime has reminded me Ashihara uses foreshadowing a LOT, so I'm absolutely expecting Saki getting treated to front seat rows for wire buddies.

>>281131108
it's clear Nino was always destined for oneitis, but I still can't believe he fell for a 3/10

need to check where he was on the looks vs personality graph

>>281131864
Nino certainly doesn’t care about looks

>>281131864
>>281131894
Forgot pic

>>281131848
We know that Saki's strategy is to run and pick up the weakest targets on the map, the stuff Oji is copying. She is ordering an extra mobile hit squad.
With the current point distribution there is no chance she doesn't immediately dive on Suwa's 7, she thinks its a weak team and they are worth 500 points. Kusakabe is going to hit them guaranteed and most likely she will be the first a-rank team they face.

>>281131909
Osamu fucking lies. He doesn't even register a female as a female until she is at least 14/10

>>281131937
You don’t get it, anon
Since no female can be more beautiful than his mom, Osamu only judges women by their personality

>>281131909
hmm I'd expect Nino further down given Hatohara, but yeah it's definitely possible

also Rokuro's not even allowed his own name
>zero presence

>>281131957
you are missing the point. He doesn't even register them as females and thus doesn't judge them as sexual partners at all. Osamu could be surrounded by 3 girls and he wouldn't even realize it because they are bellow the threshold of what he considers to be a female.

>>281131937
>>281132011
He'll warm up to KTR after he knows her real personality

>>281131736
He's not. Azuma was the first sniper and is one of the best agents overall but on pure sniping skills Toma has him beat. Dude can make shots nobody else can.

>>281131000
And showed Suwa's true self.

From November 2024 Q&A
>Q: Do Osamu and Yūma think Chika is cute?
>Osamu, whose mother always calls Chika “cute”, would probably think “yeah she probably is”.

>>281132053
can we see them? Azuma's meteor dings were much more impressive than the fish hit which Narasaka could do as well or failed double snipe on Kitora & Toki.
if anything Lighting Kowtow guy is looking more impressive since he can double snipe.

>>281131909
>Amou likes genki girls
Huh, did not see that coming.

>>281131970
>also Rokuro's not even allowed his own name
It's foreshadowing for when Katori makes him take her surname when they get married.

I love maps.

>>281132106
PRETTY genki girls, mind you
Amou doesn’t care about uggos

>>281131348
>Ninocuck aside there is a good chance Rinji would force and train Hatohara to shoot people even if she would cry, puke and fight back. Just feels like a guy who would do that.
Ninofrens...our response?

>finding out THAT THING is a serial poster
Not really surprised, but god, World Trigger is so cursed.

>>281132076
Yup. He doesn't even register it.
>muh personality
he doesn't even consider human next to him to be member of the opposite sex until it passes the 15/10 looks check.
>is this little girl who is half my size, who follows my every order and always looks up to me with a straightforward but somewhat worried expression cute? uhh well if you say so...

>>281132100
We've just seen more from Azuma due to the rank wars, but it's pretty obvious everyone at Border considers Toma the better hit.
>Azuma's meteor dings were much more impressive than the fish hit
Was it? Commentators implied others could do that as well in later matches. The fish hit is something only the top 2 snipers have managed, we don't know if Azuma can do the same. I'm pretty sure Toma has hit every shot he's fired, even if Toki barely saved Kitora from dying to the second. That's not true even for Azuma, who got blocked by Nino.

>>281131150
>Mechanical Operation 8
Imagine if she wouldn't have crippled hands.

Catch phrases of WTG
>Was/Is it?
>Nino...

>>281132045
>her real personality
>I wanna die...
>skipping line up suck torimaru's cock? I'll kill everyone you tell me to!

>>281132316
>K*tor*

Wild prediction: we're finally gonna see Amou in action during the combat phase. He's gonna be a wildcard third party / natural disaster to be dropped into the combat phase that both parties will have to survive for X amount of time.

>>281132100
>Lighting Kowtow guy
Why do people call Satori this

>>281132290
>Was it?
Just my opinion. Having A rank gunner with almost 10k solo points lose his shit over his meteors getting blasted out of the air just gives a fuckload of instant credibility.
Toma berates Narasaka all the time yet they both performed equally against Hyrein and Toma's showing against Arashiyama was downright pathetic.
Meanwhile Godzuma is the literal boogieman even without pulling his hands from his pockets, the way he looked down on those few pathetic hits in his shoe tells so much. As my fellow zoomers would say Azuma mad aura fr fr no cap

>>281132373
Amo will fight Kaiju Raijinmaru....

>>281132398
Ashihara did it in his character thing.

>>281131909
Which characters would violently disagree with this chart?

>>281132406
>Having A rank gunner with almost 10k solo points lose his shit over his meteors getting blasted out of the air just gives a fuckload of instant credibility.
Yeah but when Chika started nuking the commentators considered sniping her shots out of the sky a reasonable counter strat, meaning they expect more snipers could pull that off
>Toma's showing against Arashiyama was downright pathetic.
No way, if Toki hadn't just about pulled Kitora out of the way despite missing half his face he would've singlehandedly taken down the entire squad. He was about to snipe Arashiyama out of a fucking teleport, that's impressive as fuck. It was the rest of the crew who let him down there.

>>281131736
Azuma is the number 3. Just imagine how cancerous the A rank wars must be with 1 and 2 running around.

>>281132467
Konami, for absolutely no reason

>>281132486
Chika's shots are the size of a small car or building, depending. Zoe's hits were about as big as a fist.
as for the rest I already told you, in my opinion.

>>281132493
The real question is, does Azuma even try at getting points.

>>281132560
Toma literally doesn't try and he's still ranked higher, can't imagine Azuma slacks off nearly as much.

>>281132486
> Yeah but when Chika started nuking the commentators considered sniping her shots out of the sky a reasonable counter strat, meaning they expect more snipers could pull that off
NTA but counterpoint, Chika’s meteors are fucking huge, Zoe’s are like regular grenade sized.
>>281132406
Toma is the #1 sniper for a good reason. He’s also A-rank #2 with only him and Fuyushima on their squad(?). Azuma is also ridiculously good but his true strengths lie in battlefield control and strategy, as well as training. Border needs more guys like Azuma to train the shitters.

>>281132590
He still actively takes part in a rank wars and goes to the neighborhood.
Azuma slacks off a lot.

I wanna see more Chika expressions

>>281132644
>Chika KNOWS she could’ve been the God of Destruction all this time
Nino better put her to good use in the combat phase. It’d be funny if he called up Osamu at some point to give her a pep talk.

>>281132592
>Toma is the #1 sniper for a good reason
show them. as I said everything Toma did to this point just doesn't look as impressive as what Azuma did

Isn’t there a serious imbalance in gender representation between Border and Neighbors? It seems like all the female troops belong to Border giving the male troops hardly anything to look forward to from Neighbor attacks. Best the guys can look forward to is simulated battles where they get to capture the girls in their imagination only,

>>281132644
wait until Osamu stabs Chika in the back of her head to force her to bail out and fly back to the ship while he stays to fight with bailout removed. its going to be delicious

>>281119583 (OP)
>what sort of trion soldier would you design?
For real life use, harassment bots. Small fliers with weak weapons who keep up a steady stream of bullets. They wouldn't need to get kills, just force enemies to split their attention. Like pocket Osamu's.

>>281132767
Small mobile bots that fly around the whole map planting spider wires all over the place sounds like they'd be a real nuisance

>>281131348
>shojo Gary Stu monster
If he only tutor you for an exam you will win wars for your country, go viral in media, beat the ladder on your rookie years and get easy access to the director office.

>>281132701
Being able to shoot someone out of a teleport is more impressive than Azuma's snipe of the meteors imo.
We have no reason to assume Toma can't do the same. The series is constantly hitting us on the head that Toma is the best sniper, I see no reason to think that's all just a subversion since Toma is holding the #2 A rank spot as the sole combatant of his squad while Azuma is smurfing.

>>281119583 (OP)
>And what sort of trion soldier would you design?
A big heavily armoured lad with strong shields and some perches for gunners/shooters to pewpew from safely.
Flying recon units with jamming and stealth capabilities could also be good.

>>281132802
not quite. Rinji & Osamu were really good friends to the point that Riji gives Chika to Osamu with an easy heart knowing that he would take care of her, goes to show that Rinji really trusts Osamu.

>>281132892
Toma said it himself, just shoot a few meters away from the direction they are looking at. He knew where they would go and they just flew into his crosshair, a proper and easy way to snipe fast shitters in any fps.
For now Toma just lacks impressive feats and I hope that upcoming shitshow will fix it.

>>281133042
He shot through that sea of fishes.

27 volumes in and y'all still don't bother to give ratings or reviews at the end of each dump. This is very strange. I thought you anons pride yourselves as obsessed WT autists? E.g.:
>Vol. 27: 3/5 rating. Setup volume, too much exposition and infodump, no payoff yet. Taichi's obnoxious, and yet he gets disproportionate amount of screentime.

>>281133071
We have more important matters to discuss anon, like what colour socks Tachikawa wears.

>>281133071
>Taichi's obnoxious, and yet he gets disproportionate amount of screentime.
Because he's great and fun

>>281133058
Narasaka did the same so it was immediately nerfed

>>281133117
>>281133071
Taichi and his Trion soldier monstrosities will solo Raizo and Cronin briefly before they overwhelm them, but they'll be so impressed by them they'll invite Taichi to join the engineering department as an ideas guy.

>>281133130
Narasaka is the #2 sniper, he's better than Azuma.

>>281133130
True, but Narasaka is also the No.2 sniper, so their skills are close. Toma is probably number 1 due to his principle of only shooting when he has a guaranteed shot. And again, his squad is A-rank #2 with only him and Fuyushima. It'll be fun seeing them in action during the combat phase.

So….what’s the failure of the anime? Is it just pacing not fitting in with shounen series? Art direction seems good. Why is Fairy Tail, one of the worst shounens ever made, so much more liked as an anime?

>>281133148
nice idea. and ashihara yanking his chain and suddenly killing him off after we have grown attached to him because afto wants to nip a potential threat in the bud would be great too, to establish a more darker and edgier tone for the away mission arc and ramp up the stake, instead of killing off low-hanging fruit mentor characters like azuma or inukai.

>>281133306
Manga as a medium attracts more hyper autists than anime does, which is WTs target audience.

>Toma
Trion 6 Attack 9 Defense 7
Mobility 4 Skill 13 Range 10
Command 2 Special Tactics 2
total 53
>Narasaka
Trion 6 Attack 9 Defense 7
Mobility 5 Skill 12 Range 12
Command 4 Special Tactics 1
total 56
>Azuma
Trion 7 Attack 8 Defense 11
Mobility 5 Skill 10 Range 10
Command 10 Special Tactics 5
total 66
>Hanafuckingzaki
Trion 5 Attack 6 Defense 8
Mobility 4 Skill 11 Range 11
Command 1 Special Tactics 5
total 51
snipers are very interesting

>>281133306
I actually got into World Trigger by watching the anime, but I dropped it eventually because of just how dragged out certain moments were. I distinctly remember Yoneya and Ranbanein falling for what felt like minutes on end in the anime. There's also the issue of seasons 1s animation being somewhat lacklustre, to say the least. Season 2 is better at least but not by a ridiculously wide margin.
Personally I think world trigger is just better suited to be read, rather than watched.

>>281133419
It's going to be interesting seeing the tomfoolery that the spotter on Katagiri squad gets up to in the combat phase. Didn't Ashihara confirm she's a master at trolling snipers in her bio?
Sidenote: Katagiri squad is the A-rank team I'm most hyped to see in the combat phase, other anons have said it before but their lineup seems like it'll be really fun to watch.

>>281133419
>Skill 13 vs skill 10
That's a higher difference than I thought honestly. To compare, Katori and Wakamura have a 3 points difference in attack (and equal skill).

>>281133306
>Art direction seems good

>>281133599
>(and equal skill)
Jackson and K*tor* have equal skill!? What the unholy fuck? K*tor* can use wire movement, I highly doubt Jackson could pull that off.

>>281133627
Jackson's stats are actually high on the average.
>Katori
Trion 6 Attack 9 Defense 6
Mobility 8 Skill 7 Range 3
Command 5 Special Tactics 2
Total 46
>Wakamura
Trion 6 Attack 6 Defense 7
Mobility 6 Skill 7 Range 4
Command 3 Special Tactics 3
Total 42
Naturally Jackson moves like a slug while Katori flies her way through the map and dies to 2 trion point blank while she scorpion fights Yuma mid air without getting hit.
All in all stats are a very interesting thing

>>281133627
Honestly Jackson's stats seem a bit high all around, I wonder if he was meant to be such a gigashitter from the start. The BFF was released just before the actual match against Katori and Kakizaki squads. He has a higher defense/support and special tactics stats than Katori too which doesn't feel right either.

>>281133627
He's just ultra debuffed by his confidence issues.
When he awakens he will be Katori tier.

>>281133746
I feel he just has a downright mental block when fighting... or Ashihara just rewrote him for the sake of this arc, the hiatus and following fights were very long.

>>281133627
Well the BBF is in world documented pre-wire Katori.
Skill is also a nebulous thing.

For example, with Hanazaki, the way his skill seems to be involved in his setup is that he's really good at predicting movement and leading his shots properly.
That's the only way you can explain him having more range than Toma (who only uses Egret) despite having less triion..
So Jackson could have something like being a decent shot as a gunner, as his issue is mostly about teamplay, not really solo skills.
Katori is also likely lower than her actual skill because she's in the process of swapping from attacker to gunner to all-rounder.

>>281133741
>>281133746
Jackson's competent enough as a solo gunner, Hyuse agreed as much. He just has no fucking clue how team battles work because Katori was carrying him.

>>281133876
There's also how Katori is basically an instinctual fighter so in the end both him and Miura just flail around trying to protect a girl who just does whatever.

>>281133876
you can't explain 1% point gain with that alone, also both times we saw him fight he was beyond useless. maybe he was having a bad day but 1% says otherwise. I'd go with this guy's interpretation
>>281133788
full blown brain shutdown the moment he has to think about more than 1 enemy is the only explanation that doesn't include shit like
>ashihara changed it

>>281133969
I mean, he probably did.
Katori's squad performance always felt rooted on their issues and not on their individual skill level.
But then this arc went with the
>you are fucking useless and barely above c rank

>>281133613

>>281134028
We know that Katori was having the worst day ever when she did her wire stunt, so by same logic she is Tachikawa destroyer Jin crusher 9000 and her stats outright lie we know that this is definitely not the case so the mood would be a false vector.
Even if Jackson has same mood buffs/debuffs as Katori he could't have had the "worst day ever" for like 4 seasons straight.
I really like the simple explanation of mental block when enemy >1. It fits with what we saw from Jackson and explains how he could have high stats but consistently shit himself.

>>281133969
>you can't explain 1% point gain with that alone
Hey don't look at me, it's Hyuse who ranks him as mid-B rank as a solo fighter. I imagine it's just that in rank wars a gunner will usually fall into a support role. Zoe and Yuba were both notable for regularly scoring points as gunners, after all.
Even as a gunner Waka is obviously scoring less than would be expected, though. Honestly now that I think about it Miura isn't getting enough shit for also barely scoring despite being an attacker.

>>281134095
death sentence

Post your black trigger ideas anons.
>Raijin, lightning blade
>looks like a normal Kogetsu, but with lightning crackling along the blade
>the lightning can be used for various purposes like buffing your trion body for enhanced movement speed, or discharging it from the blade as an attack
>similar to Fujin it only has a certain amount of available lightning before it needs to 'recharge'
>higher overall destructive power and CQC capability than fujin with lower accuracy and significantly lower range
Now get creative anons, I hope my lazy idea inspires you all.

>>281134141
Stop posting spoiler dude

>>281134141
you might want to delete that image

>>281134141
Just realised this is still an after-party thread and I should probably spoiler this shit.

>>281134176
>>281134182
My bad

This manga would be MUCH better-served as a Muv-Luv / Gantz / AoT war is hell type of setup instead of this shounen academy antics. Have the rankings, team simulations, etc, but it should culminate into a series of wars with the Neighbors and possibly other factions within Border (ie, one faction trying to coup the leadership etc). When a Neighbor attacks for real, it should absolutely not be an academy hijinks episode, they are facing hardened war veterans from a forever Trion war, people who grow up from childhood knowing nothing but warfare and training to for warfare, where being a Trigger user is synonymous with kill-or-be-killed, armed with all sorts of advanced technology etc. Border has to learn what they are training for, and characters HAVE TO FUCKING DIE, fuck this gay ejection bullshit, there has to be stakes in this war. After each battle, Border learns from it, gets new technology and works on evolving themselves for the next time, etc. Characters getting PTSD and shell shocked, awakening BTs through extreme emotional trauma, etc. This would be a vastly better manga.

>>281134492
Anon, we haven't even gotten to the away mission yet. Keep your dick in your trousers.

>>281134492
Nah, World Trigger has it's own charm as it is now.

>>281134172
>NTRman
>creator: Rinji
>wielder: Hatohara
>NTRman is a perfect trion soldier copy of Rinji, created in his final moments to permanently cuck Ninomiya
>NTRman is always active and doesn't consume his wielders trion actively, but must be "recharged" with...certain "techniques"
>NTRman also mentally controls Hatohara to be loyal and loving to the idea of the human Amatori Rinji (who NTRman resembles perfectly)
Ninomiyas final boss fight

>>281134492
It's just not that kinda series bro. If you want Gantz just read Gantz.

Speaking of Mid-B, Does Suwa/Kakizaki squad have master ranks?

>>281134492
>awakening BTs through extreme emotional trauma
You literally need to kill yourself to create a black trigger anon, it's not something you "awaken" too, it's one last FUCK YOU to whoever the fuck put you in this situation in the first place. Or in Yugo's case, an act of love and desperation from a caring father.

>>281134492
Sir, this is WSJ

>>281134492
You're gonna keep seething about this shit aren't you?

>>281134680
Nino would love the opportunity to blast Rinji to pieces at least

>>281134843
>on death, ntrman plays a trion video of a recharging session

Crackpot theory: Katori ends up being selected for the away mission, chooses to go after discussion with Miura and Jackson, somehow winds up mortally wounded, but is able to use the last of her life and trion to make a black trigger for Osamu, and it's just Spider on steroids.

>>281134905
>Crackpot theory
At least you prefaced that because that's wholly retarded.

>>281134940
Awww, c'mon it'd be fun!

>>281134962
Katorisimp mass suicide would be fun.

>STILL seething

To anons who are up to date what are your hopes and expectations for the combat phase? I'm personally most hyped to see Raizo and Cronin in action.

>>281134977
Miura was actually triplets pretending to be one person, and they all suicide after Katori marries Torimaru...?

>>281134492
>fuck this gay ejection bullshit
You literally cannot have the type of combat WT excels at portraying without it.
Where fights for survival in fights can't just be handled by making people very durable and the opposition is skilled enough to make most fights close fights.

As that means you either need to rotate through characters like crazy, which loses out a lot of charm, is seeing the progression of how different characters fight.
Or it means the main cast needs to get saved by somehow consistently surviving lost fights.

>>281134998
conflicted Konami
Torimaru murdering K*tor*s
Tachikawa chasing after Nino with vengeance
Double raygust dude + Raizo showing everyone where the raygust at
creeped out Miwa
Azuma vs Rindo
10 deaths Four eyes + at least one a-rank team getting the wire buddy treatment
Hanazaki somehow getting a high value kill and Canadian gangbang A-rank edition

>>281134998
Forest in fog

>>281134905
people dying on Osamu is very bad news for everyone, this is how you get a much scarier Kido. Katori doesn't have a reason to remove bailout for her to be in any danger.
characters who could die would be Osamu or Yuma. since one could remove a bailout and the other has a BT that doesn't have bailout.

>>281135177
>Katori doesn't have a reason to remove bailout for her to be in any danger.
Honestly my through process was more like, something goes HORRIBLY WRONG on the away mission, like the ship gets damaged beyond repair of even destroyed before they even get to Aftokrator, and then they're trapped in enemy territory. Alternatively with the knowledge Afto and its allies have gained about bailouts they could organise ambushes against it. Galopoula won't be an issue at least...hopefully.

>>281135177
Bailout relies on a relay station to work, which is a very evident target.

>sudden realisation that the Away Mission is essentially World Triggers version of the Dark Continent
We're never gonna make it, are we? Ashihara's artstyle is pretty simple so maybe he could bring on a team of assistants to handle the art while he handles the important part, the writing.

>>281134492
sounds like a plothole, you should write to Ashihara about that

>>281135333
does the team of assistants get royalties too or they are expected to do half of the manga on assistant's salary?

>>281134998
I want to see the A ranks pull some bullshit out of their ass.
I also would like to see their custom triggers in action.
Like how double raygust has a custom thruster

>>281135376
I dunno, smartass. Maybe assistants aren't needed but just one competent artist who can replicate Ashihara's style. It never works though, looking at the latest Berserk chaps for example.
I'm in Japan right now and witnessing many, many people with horrid posture and clear joint fusion and they don't even look very old, so I guess I'm just kinda mad that one of my favourite manga authors is practically a cripple due to the poor working conditions this country puts on people.

>>281135088
Konami will make blind eyes of T-2 members and murder everyone else, totally not biased btw

>>281135453
One point of note is that ch 256 says 40 A rank agents but only shows the standard A rank teams.
But if we count agents all the teams + operators in A rank only goes up to 35.
If we assume all of T1+Usami is participating, it means either Jin or Amo is also in.

>>281135584
A#0 T1 is right on the page

>>281135748
I'm fucking blind

>>281134998
Taichi going full schizo with his trion soldier creations and indirectly affecting our MCs performance in battle.
Okudera and Koarai using their new sub-triggers and either confirming or denying that they are leader material.
Kotarou and Teruya proving their worth.
Urushima being a stealth killer and annoying the shit out of other agents, also his and his gf's backstory.

>>281135843
A trion mount for Osamu could solve his mobility problems related to his unit.

>Kinuta isn't happy with mixing agents with trion soldiers
>he doesn't want to burden operators with it or leave it to field agents
What you need is a role dedicated to the control of trion soldiers, some kind of Rigger perhaps.

>>281136391
were you reading with both eyes closed? his main issue was that relying on trion soldiers would make them shitters since most of them still can't contend in a 1 vs 1 against a marmod

>>281136468
Which is irrelevant if the soldiers are controlled by someone dedicated, or at least no worse than the current system where you be teamed up with an ace. The worry is Osamu could win a fight by summoning a marmod and think to himself "I did that".

Anyway, Kinuta is being overly cautious. If you cant beat marmods you can't be useful in defence missions and you really shouldn't be B-rank.

>>281134998
Saki and Maki getting murdered
wire buddies
Azuma getting serious
Ikoma being Ikoma
Chubby thunder flexing
Konami combat
Hyuse not being allowed to stuff his face

>>281131306
Because they're not drawing the same guy. Bakuman's Hattori's appearance is based on a different editor.

>>281134492
The first arc is literally an attempt at taking over border. It doesn't go bloody cause the organization is functioning and has put checks and balances into place in case one faction gets too greedy(black triggers, investor funding, Squad alligencies). As for wars I agree. Technically they do happen, Tachikawa and Kazama squads go on away missions regularly, I think it's safe to assume they engage in some sort of skirmishes

>>281136863
>Chubby thunder flexing
I can't wait to see that absolute unit in combat

>>281136391
>There is a nation in the neighborhood filled with horrors.

>>281133306
Saw a clip of its S1 from youtube and it's amazing how stiff both the animations and dialogues are.

>>281136391
On the topic of shadowrun, I remember a cheesy drone build where you cover yourself in drones that are just arms holding guns so you can fire five times per turn.

A trion version of that would be fun. Other agents are stuck using two triggers at once and you're using five.

>>281129652
Can someone post the updated version? Or it doesn't exist for group volume covers?

>>281134998
forest map or we riot

>>281137889
Raizo invented Raygust, right? Hopefully we'll get to see some expert level use between him and Yukimaru.

>>281138867
Can't wait for the inevitable "Raygust can do that?!" moment with Raizo.

I hate Escudo as a trigger.
If we can just materialize big-size structures of what resemble super-hard concrete then why not just materialize spikes under the enemy?

>>281129652
>Ninomiya
Cursed

>>281138981
Scorpion can do that.

>>281138981
That's what Scorpion is for.

>>281138981
switchbox does literally that

>>281133306
>Beyond comical pacing issues
>Un-stylized art direction
>QUALITY
>Bad OST aside two or three songs
Don't ever >Toei your anime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY7PrOkWxpY

WT deserved Yuba levels of animation all-around.

>>281139104
>>281139111
>>281139217
Ok let me specify since it's such a hard concept to grasp.
>If we can materialize BIG structures of what seems super-dense concrete at will and just by touch and without the need setting a trap
Then why not materialize things like spikes or different structures? I mean, if you could materialize a Escudo with a hole in it you'd have on-demand bunkers you can shoot from.

Storytime when

>>281139333
Storytime will be on hiatus until story anon's neck recovers

>>281139361
Pray for dumpanon

>>281139314
'Just' spikes shouldn't deal any damage to Trion-based enemies, from my understanding. In most cases that we're aware of, only Trion can damage Trion. So in that sense, spikes similar to Escudo wouldn't actually do anything. Because it seems that the Trion used to make Escudo is made into a physical object, sorta similar to lead bullet. Now, as to why giant Trion spikes can't be made... not too certain. As someone mentioned, Switchbox might be able to do that.

>>281139314
Based on existing weapon design, it seems like the structure of materialized trion isn't enough. It also needs to be imbued with additional trion on the attack surface to actually stand a chance of damaging a combat body.
Also Escudo seems sturdy enough against normal bullet attacks but jobs pretty quickly to Senku Kogetsu. A ready-made bunker can easily become a place where attackers can corner opponents.

>>281139314
What are spikes gonna do?
Escudo can materialize things and sent people flying but its not going to break a trion body.
>>281139563
>Now, as to why giant Trion spikes can't be made.
At that point, you just have Fujin.

>>281139247
Which studio in 2014 would have suited WT better?

>>281139333
Storytime now >>281139696

>>281139664
Not him but Trigger.

>>281139664
Sunrise
A-1

>>281138981
Trion bodies can't be hurt by physical damage. They'd need to be big trion spikes.

>>281139314
>>281139314
I just told you that switchbox does just that, since reading the fucking manga is such a hard concept to grasp here is the image.
one of switchbox's traps is a fuckhuge blade materializing from the earth, its also one of the traps Border's base uses. as for why - fuckload of trion.
>super-dense concrete
not the case, its a trion structure. Escudo is dull, relatively fragile and deals no damage to trion bodies, constructs that can deal actual damage would require much more trion.