Chapter 20: Emma and the Molders Family

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Hey OP

>>281140844 (OP)
Hi OP

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Meido!

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AND ITS CONSEQUENCES HAVE BEEN A DISASTER FOR THE HUMAN RACE

>>281141067
Cute kids

>>281141052
what the FUCK is Tokai Teio doing here

>>281141220
What a charmer

>>281141220
even the little kid wants meido pussy
shortened: meidussy

>>281141263
I love these two

And that's it. Heading home pretty quickly.
When did you stop wetting the bed?

>>281141279
Thanks OP
My bed is too dry

>>281141279
Thanks op
Wouldn't you like to know piss boy.

>>281141236
>if only we had four more maids...
Hmmm just hire uh, let me see... Ponko, Hotori, the three maids from
Kore ga Watashi no Goshujinsama and Mahoro. Lots of great meidos out there.
>>281141279
I don't think I've ever wet my bed. Thanks for posting, OP.
Speaking of piss, post Sayori pitts

>>281140863
Haworth is near to where the Bronte family lived, IIRC.
The moors they talk about here are only on the tops of the fells, the rest is rolling enclosed farmland and little woods and commons.

>>281141279
Now that’s a seriously upper class family
I never wet the bed
Thanks as always OP!

This volume is a setup for volume 4, which is spicy.

>>281141279
Thanks OP. Those kids are adorable. Mori has a knack for writing cute siblings
>When did you stop wetting the bed?
Actually, pretty late in life. I forget exactly when, but I think it was in middle school, possible as late as freshman year of HS (~14). It was so bad that my parents bought a waterproof fitted sheet to protect my mattress. It goes on first, before the other fitted sheets and it keeps the mattress dry (so you don't have to replace it). I know they got this when I was far too old to be wetting myself because it's full sized for an adult mattress and I actually still have it. I have since stopped wetting the bed, I am a big boy now

>>281140914
>Lump on your head
Might not, but untreated concussion and/or internal haemorrhage can. Sure, unlikely to occur without some falling, but still.

>>281143378
>I actually still have it.
Make sure to keep it. Never know when you, or your older relatives might need it.

>>281143952
Yeah, it's still on my bed. I have no reason to get rid of it. Plus, I feel like the day I get rid of it is the first time I wet myself in over a decade

>>281141279
Thanks, anonsito.

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>>281141133
A lot more adorable than the brats running around the Williams house. Well, Colin's alright, if a bit teary.

>>281147197
This
But the family is also much less dysfunctional, so that's probably a result.

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>>281147329
Maybe German kids are just cuter than English kids

>>281147357
I guess the Jones are much more fixated on rising in status, while the Mölders seem to be more content with what they've already achieved.

I wonder if they changed their names when WW1 happened.

>>281140985
The GOAT Mori couple.

>>281147630
She's just too cute

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Didn't mean to reply

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>>281140894
Too many cute women in this manga

>>281147475
It's never pointed out, but in time it'll become more obvious what particular circumstances among the Williams probably contributed to the general dysfunction among the children.

>>281147197
Williams smallest sister is adorable. She's only a brat to protect her Onii-chan from dirty hussies

>>281141220
So between this and the main couple in A Bride's Story, Mori has a slight taste for shotacon, right?
He looks so confident in the 4th panel.

>>281140844 (OP)
Finally the Molders? Let's fucking goooo!!!

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Second shota of the series!!!!

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I want a shota x shota doujin/fanfic with Collin and Erich and I want it now!

>>281140879
Once again, I'm not ragging on Mori at all, she drew something incredible with the research she had available at the time in the 00s. But it still feels odd re-reading this now that I know more than she did back then and am able to point out the inaccuracies in something I regard as historically accurate. In this chapter and the previous one for example, Emma and Tasha both wear underbust corsets instead of overbust. (I think she figured this out by the end of Emma's run.)

>>281140914
Also they would've worn plainer clothing in the morning when they spent their time cleaning. The stereotypical uniform was worn for when they had to be presented to their masters and their guests. Kuroshitsuji actually depicted this well in a few comfy chapters centered on maids. The maids also had to pay for their own uniforms out of their own paycheck instead of being given them, which is why they usually dressed a little different from each other in actual photos of Victorian servants. That isn't to say there weren't households where they all wore the same livery, but I'm not sure they would've had any readily available for a new servant like in Emma.

>>281141279
Sometime in elementary school, but there was one incident around legal adult age where I dreamed about taking a piss and I ended up wetting the bed too. Ever since, my dreams have blocked me from going to the toilet for all sorts of reasons: broken toilets, dirty toilets, locked doors, lack of walls for the stalls, generally weird locations, just being unable to find a toilet at all, etc.

>>281149568
Given how he ends up crushing hard on Vivian, who is slightly older than him, it's a probably a dynamic that has some appeal for her.

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>>281140894
Damn Emma looks good with her hair down.

>>281152081
Yes, but it's also complicated:
She looks stunning with her hair down, but her willingness to give up some of her beauty (she has plenty) for practicality is also endearing.

>>281146205
now post her pitts
where the FUCK is her pitts

>>281151259
Yes, the thing about changing the uniform over the course of the day should be known to a maid otaku like Mori. I wonder if she knows "upstairs-downstairs" (is there a Japanese dub?) where this is mentioned and shown repeatedly. So she probably left it out.
If the Mölders had a "lace only" policy, they'd probably had several aprons ready, as these are intended to be changed more often than the dress worn below - looking cute on a beautiful woman is only a minor purpose of them - the main one is protecting the more expensive and harder to clean dress during work (or play for little girls, who also often wore aprons/pinafores).

>>281141238
don't shorten it

>>281153273
shortened: shorten't

>>281149568
Funny, as the original sentence he probably said in German could also mean "she gave me a hand job", at least if the object "Theo" was left out and replaced by an indefinite article. "Sie hat mir einen runtergeholt"

>>281153215
I would just toss it up to her not knowing rather than intentionally leaving it out. It might just be something left unmentioned in any books (translated into Japanese and available in the early 2000s) that addressed the Victorian servant hierarchy. We have easily accessible information now via the internet and MTL, and at the very least, when she drew them more recently in Otoyo, she knew maids didn't quite have uniforms yet in the mid-1800s. Her drawing the corsets as underbust in this chapter shows a lack of knowledge.

Kuroshitsuji was similar as it started pretty anachronistic (still is, but in a more targeted way + the the traces of the earlier stuff), but now has a researcher or two credited at the end of the volumes.

>>281140879
SEX WITH BOTH AT THE SAME TIME

>>281154386
With or without the maid uniforms?

Maids!

>>281147197
Aren't the only kids in the Williams house Collin and Vivi?

>>281155845
Arthur's still a kid by this point, and he's kind of a brat too. Though unlike Vivi he's got a bit of cause. Collin's also really not that bad, but anon's aren't big on him and he is kind of a weepy baby sometimes.

>>281148762
Jones Sr. has such an adorable wife though.

>>281148934
Vivi is a rat. Grace is olev

>>281141279
>When did you stop wetting the bed?
Noro virus is a helluv' a drug.

>>281148934
Jan Hus was right.

>>281141015
Yet another manga in this daily with a girl peeing herself

>>281143770
It can? How do you even treat concussion, lay down and wait? It's not like you can just open the skull up and check.

>>281156305
Isn't Arthur about to graduate? I don't really count that as a kid.

>>281141166
Impressive.
Very nice.

I got scared by TBSP saying otoyomegatari might disappear off mdex soon so I grabbed them yesterday.

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He always seemed fairly young to me, and also the timeline of the manga will get a bit wonky as things go on (that is, I'm thinking of the age he is now not a few volumes later when we get some extras for him). But I couldn't say for certain.

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Ch1.

>>281157038
This makes me want to play Black Desert again. There's an area based on Bhutan and the NPCs have some neat steppe clothes

>>281157172
I love the word "baubles" so much.

>>281157447
Why the fuck did you do this

>>281158023
I needed something to do while downloading Emma.
I didn't want to commit to a daily.
When I dumped the new chapters the thread died immediately so I didn't want to split off.

Honestly I would love an Otoyomegatari daily to go along with Emma. Or maybe that could be done after? Either way I want more anons to appreciate Mori's works.

>>281141220
Suave wee scamp.

>just noticed it's completely out of order
What the fuck
If I select the whole chapter it puts things wrong but line by line in file picker it's in correct order.

>>281159130
I was thinking it felt out of order. Oh well, still a nice read.

>>281157161
This art is gorgeous

>>281140879
I'm gonna go ahead and say it
Tasha > Emma

>>281156757
>It's not like you can just open the skull up and check.
>he doesn't know

>>281147790
I just wanna pinch her cheeks, pat her head, and spoil her to death.

>>281148934
I love bratty young girls.
...as a concept

>>281141236
>tasha
>....
tashabros...

>>281157447
Don't hijack the thread, anon. It's bad form.

>>281163087
I'll have to see Tasha with glasses before I can make that call.

>>281156407
Vivi is NOT a rat. She knows the power that floozies and wield over simple-minded Onii-chans and she's trying to protect her own

>>281165274
Vivi is an impulsive, ill-behaved brat of light morals

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>>281141015
wtf is this erp?

>>281166292
Define erp

>>281166336
ERP stands for Enterprise Resource Planning. It refers to a type of software that organizations use to manage and integrate core business processes.

>>281166292
Meido is a greeting that's a play on words between the abbreviation of 毎度ありがとうございます
(毎度 maido), meaning "Thank you for your continued patronage", and メイド (meido), meaning maid. It's famously used by the cutest maid in the world to greet customers.

>>281166906
unfunny erotic roleplay

>>281168038
Good customer service isn't roleplay

>>281163087
why not both?

>>281166253
Slides down banisters even. Although that's probably partly due to liking the feeling of it.

She'll probably become a suffragette, for God's sake! The Jones family really must take her in hand.

>>281169070
They should sell her off as a maid
A sex maid
My sex maid

>>281140844 (OP)
Chapter 21: Mrs. Trollop

A bit early today.

>>281169164
Hi OP

>>281140863
Family molding and emma

Hey OP. Early as FUCK

>>281169326
MONKE

>>281169344
GILF

>>281169164
I am ready for this based hag.

>>281169164
early

>>281163331
>diametrically opposed on the clock
>hijack
Like come on, these threads are dead during the day, no harm no foul if someone posts a quick chapter. If it was full storytime then yeah, do it somewhere else.

>>281169164
>Mrs Trollop
WTF?

>>281169446
It's not the thread for your dump. Make your own if you want one

>>281169565
Plot...

>>281169376
Dorothea is hot.
Even hotter than Emma.

>>281169586
Cute Grace

>>281169602
I love these segments

And that's it. Mrs. Trollop is fun lady.
Do you like oriental things?

>>281169565
! !
>>281169602
yo Mori
>>281169655
Thanks, OP. Yea

>>281169586
Grace comes across as the older one.

>>281169625
Someone get this woman a ticket

>>281169655
Thanks OP
They give my life meaning

>>281169625
Very cute postman goat.

>>281169625
Very impressive for her to be able to get the atmosphere down without having taken a research trip.

>>281169070
A suffragette?
The horror!
That brat needs a sound spanking more than anything else.

>>281169641
>They get to live in England from the moment they're born
how cute
>>281169655
thanks, OP. I once had an online chinaman ask if I was also an oriental because of how well-versed I was in eastern culture, but that's because I like history and learning about the world

>>281170094
>Tokugawa's samurai are heroes of justice!!
They were
They were...

>>281170138
Nah, they were thugs, bullies, and overall troublemakers with swords as mindless as their owners

>>281170138
>They were...

>>281169872
I guess actually going to England wouldn't necessarily make her works better. Paris syndrome also applies there.
The England she is drawing no longer exists.

>>281156940
Even if it does dissapear from mangadex, there's a lot of scrappers that have it on other sites, plus there's an official version that you can also find pretty easily. 4chan image don't last long in the archive, and reposting it in an unrelated thread is the best way for no one to know it's there.
All that to say you're doing everything wrong and you're getting scared for nothing.

>>281169655
>Do you like oriental things?
if I lived in Emma's time, I'd be a big fan of japonisme

>>281170138
Who are the tokugawa?

I just realized the Alone chapter is because the governess died overnight.

>>281170387
Lot of very new newfags around here lately

>>281169872
Maybe she's read some english literature and watched shows/movies set in that time period?

>>281169460
It's explained later.

>>281170619
Are you ok?

>>281169370
Not just yet, but by the end of the manga

>>281169326
I want to return to monke

>>281169376
So Emma is already acting as a lady's maid for Dorothea? No apron and having tea with her mistress and their hostess instead of waiting outside?
That's quite an advancement - isn't it?
Or is it that Tasha is clumsy and doesn't mind Emma taking this job from her and the German maids wouldn't be able to converse in English?

>>281171242
I'm stupid, but not actually brain damaged.

>>281171456
I couldn't speak to the historicity of it, but Tasha is fairly clearly not in a permanent position as the lady's maid. She just seemed to be picked to go with her that time. We'll get some more from the family about why they in particular might not care about having rigid job positions like a lady's maid. If anyone, it should be Adele, who comes off as having the natural personality and dominance among the maids to pull it off. But she doesn't seem to consistently worth with Dorothea either.

Emma was chosen here because they've largely decided to have her go with them to London, so they're feeling out how well she can handle it.

>>281171456
Emma's just that good

>>281171817
Ah, ok.
And Emma doesn't yet have a fixed area of responsibility and so she's probably more expendable than the others.
I guess Dorothea doesn't have/need a full time lady's maid, so one of the housemaids has to moonlight as one if necessary.
This seems to be historically correct, as the novel "Rebecca" (timed 30 years later but in the same society) also has such an arrangement.

>>281169180
So she calls herself Mrs. Slut essentially or did Trollop mean something else back then?

>>281172305
I guess not, but it's a much more beautiful word than "slut".
We should replace every use of "slut" today with "trollop".

>>281170138
He's dead by the time of this manga, but I like to think some of the items Takiyama sold in America have found their way to Mrs. Trollop's parlor.

>>281173064
Who knows, maybe he overshot America once or twice and went all the way to Merry Old England

>>281169655
Thanks, anonsito.

>>281170362
There's plenty of museums and estates out there. Seeing how the furniture would've been laid out in-person would've helped a lot, as well as clothing and other antiques.

>>281173064
his adopted son should still be around I think

>>281169691
Do you want her to kill herself with the heartbreaking depression at seeing the state of the place!?

>>281169565
What the FUCK

>>281169655
Strange charming old hag
I think the manga comics and anime cartoons are kinda cool
Thanks as always OP!

>>281169268
Frog face

>>281169552
Yuri...

>>281173686
I hope she never sees it. There are only a few little corners not ruined absolutely beyond repair.

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>>281174537
Have either of you guys actually been to London or are you just repeating what you've been told online?

>>281169625
I have been there, with the magic of books

>>281174665
I haven't been to that shithole in nearly 15 years and it was bad enough then. But it's the whole country at this point, you need to be a countrychad in a nice area to escape it. The last time I went in to a big city was just after convid, I bought a car in Bradford and it was a fucking abysmal place. Obviously mass immigration and recent culture war politics have destroyed the place since WW2 but in fact it is the industrial revolution that killed England, before then it actually had real local cultures. After it there was just Victorian culture which lingered on, ever eroding, as English until the 80s when we Americanised and began to globalised(in the modern sense).

>>281174665
It's kind of funny they're going on about this, because Moto Naoko, who draws Victorian era manga almost exclusively and had Mori promote her work, is a huge Anglophile who seems to visit the UK fairly often.

>>281175211
Also her current manga seems to be about a master-maid romance.

>>281174665
As a third guy I was there a few years ago and I thought it was a shithole

>>281141100
GET OUT OF MY HEAD
GET OUT OF MY HEAD
GET OUT OF MY HEAD

>>281169641
Someone sent her a little maid doll? Based if true.

Took me until now to realise but the Mo edits left with Asumi

>>281169641
>what do you think is unfair about english people?
>i know! they get to live in england from the moment they're born!
please nobody ever show this woman the online safety act shitposts
or the british museum stealing things shitposts
or the bo'u o' wo'a shitposts
or the 'av yew go' a loicense shitposts
or the barry, 63 shitposts
or the norf fc shitposts
or anything like pic related

>>281169326
that monkey?
me

>>281177537
>implying she wouldn't join in on the shitposting

>>281169446
It's hard for me to say this, since I also love otoyomegatari, but posting a whole chapter in an unrelated thread is a little rude. It's not like this is a general Mori thread.

>>281170387
>4chan image don't last long in the archive
there is desu at least

>>281176881
Probably not much you can mofy in this manga.
Or maybe edit anon stopped reading.
Anyways, things coming and going just adds flavor to our lives.

>>281163087
I already said it the chapter they talked on the train

>>281169655
I can’t stand anything oriental.

>>281169308
I hope she didn't proudly put a cheap tea label on her wall

>>281163087
Tasha is well below Emma in sheer looks, but she is friendly, cheerful, comfortably dumb and has low self-esteem.
She probably is the much better fuck/GF.

>>281169308
>Hiroshige's falcon
As long as she doesn't display Hokusai's dream of the fishermans wife....

>>281170138
Gozaru.
>>281169655
>Do you like oriental things?
Yeah but they don't seem to like me unless I'm paying. Badum-tss. On a serious note, I'm a big fan of China. Their modern attempts to emulate the success of the xioa riben manga/anime industry are worthless. But their architecture, their food, classical art and clothing has an appeal which is hard to describe. And China has a more interesting history than any other country like a roman empire which never ends, in an endless cycle of collapse and reunification. But these days china is the bad guy and beeing very annoying to boot so there isn't much room to discuss it.

>>281173064
Why would he be dead? If he was 18 when Abe Masahiro became a senior counselor (1843), then he was only 46 in the epilogue (1871). Even if Emma takes place in the 1900s, he'd be in his 70s. He was keeping busy and probably wouldn't neglect his health by eating too many sweets, so he'd very likely still be alive and kicking.

>>281177537
Honestly her impression would be worse than that is she spend even a few hours in any mid to large sized town, let alone a city.

>>281183707
Tasha needs to be loved and valued.

>>281179331
I was talking about desu when I mentionned the archive. You quickly get rate limited, and if you go a few years back the majority of images are dead

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>>281184452
Having a sealed hole in his stomach might have shaved a decade or two off his lifespan

>>281169565
NANI!

>>281184452
Takiyama officially died in 1876. Of course since the historical Takiyama was also twenty years older and there are other differences between her and the Ooku version, the date is only a suggestion, really.

>>281153510
She probably looked at but didn't read those corset books before drawing. She had so many books and only a vague notion of what was critical.

Why don't I live in a Mori world?

>>281161636
Mori has leveled considerably since Emma.

>>281184452
>probably wouldn't neglect his health by eating too many sweets
the sweets were never the problem, it was the meat. or rather the lack of it.

>>281183839
nice catch

>>281186012
I like it when she does this expression
Big long face

>>281184322
I agree with you, china is an extremely interesting place but that extends up to today.

>>281169655
Mrs. Trollop means she's married to Mr Trollop? Like a whore married to a manwhore?

>>281171817
Probably because they're German and not rigidly traditional ones at that.

>>281175303
>art style
First rapist was main love interest's best friend or brother, right?

>>281190619
It's wrong to stereotype, anon.

>>281192107
Business rival or long separated childhood friend, then.

>>281192195
No raping, just questionable shotacon painting.

>>281192366
I see. A friend of Mori's indeed.

>>281169289
>pretentious hipster likes Asian stuff
Some things never change

>>281193969
Japanophilia started pretty much since the Perry expedition
I've heard tales of Victorian Englanders emulating tea ceremonies

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>>281194739
https://animethemes.moe/anime/ikoku_meiro_no_croisee/OP1-NCBD
There's a Belle Epoque manga centered on this called Ikoku Meiro no Croisee, that's unfortunately unfinished due to the mangaka's death. It has an anime with a very comfy OST though.

>>281140985
Best girl, and best couple Mori has ever written.

>>281193969
>pretentious hipster
Take that back she's a, free spirited dork. It's nothing more than an aesthetic she likes and that's fine, she's not wearing a Naruto headband or listening to Garugamesh.

>>281197170
>he doesn't know about Mrs. Trollops kabuki actors illustrated guides collection

>>281197170
She's a buyfag...

>>281140844 (OP)
Chapter 22: William at Present

>>281198755
Rose jam is delicious, but a ton of work (compared to fruit jams).
My wife makes it occasionally when the roses in our garden are in bloom.

>>281198746
Look at the picture! Do it now!

>>281198877
That's depressing.

And that's it. ;_;
How's your art?

>>281198989
He will be a great artist one day
Not good
Thanks as always OP!

>>281198989
Thanks OP
Great chapter
Emma's full page pic was the light in a rather dark episode...

>>281198989
Good drawings.

>>281198989
Sweet crystal clear shota tears, Colin is just the cutest

I don't understand how Mister Molder doesn't have Schmiss.
He's a social climber from Germany in the later half of the 19th century. He'd have studied and have joined a fraternity because of the connections and social mobility it offered. So he should have dueled and gotten his Schmiss as a proof of both his social status and his manliness.
it's not like the Molders are Catholic so he would have been in the CV (although given his age he probably complete his studies before the CV was founded).
It's not like Kaoru Mori to miss out on fun little details like that.

>>281198684
So they'll meet again in next Sunday's chapter?

>>281198629
Pretty

>>281198834
Fetish panel

>>281198952
Emma jumpscare

>>281198989
Thanks OP
I'm far from the greats

>>281199608
You just wanted to show off you know what schmiss means

>Will chapter
I demand more germans

>>281198646
nice honses

>>281198746
LOOK AT THE PICTURE WILLIAM

>>281198778
god, she is so cute
it's not fair

>>281198797
THE DAABEE

>>281198932
;_;

>>281198989
I'm alright at it when I have a reference, but I'm not very good at drawing without one.

>>281198989
Thanks, OP. It SUCKS.
>>281201013
that's a nice dino

How old is Colin supposed to be, anyway?

>>281201629
My best guess is between the ages of 5 and 7.

>>281201607
Draw your favourite Emma girl

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>>281169872
Okay, I read ahead a little, she actually did fix the aprons, the corsets, and went on a research trip a little later.

>>281201629
Hard to tell. William should be around Emma's age (20-21), but he looked like he was 13 at best when his mother left for the countryside, while Colin was still an infant. William also observed that Colin and Ericht were around the same age, but Ericht comes across as older.

>>281199247
Fun anime, i liked it, shame that S2 never

>>281169326
Ninibros...

bump

>>281198737
:(

>>281198932
Oh wow, I've seen this dozens of times but had no clue it was from this

>>281198701
Cute Colin is cute!

>>281198746
LOOK AT IT

>>281198778
She's so earnest and cute.....

>>281198863
Having maids at my beck and call would be so dope
>Fetch me out finest brandy(Coors lite)

>>281201730
I haven't really decided on a favorite yet, but here's the German loli.
Yeah, I rushed through and totally messed up the rose and the clothes, but the face and hair are okay-ish, I'd say.

>>281202755
Cute

>>281201039
That was my thought upon reading that post. Embarrassing.

>>281202796
Thank you!

>>281202755
You're pretty good. I haven't even doodled anything since I was a school kid.

>>281198888(Quads)
Didn't romance novels come well after the Victorian era?

>>281201039
Well it impressed me.

>>281202755
Cuuuute, I like your drawing anon

>>281202908
>>281202979
Thanks, I really appreciate the kind words.

>>281201039
that's only half of it
I think it suits his calm and self confident demeanor
the willingness to have his face cut open to get to where he wants to be. But also that he holds things in higher importance than British social norms

>>281198989
Will is such a good Onii-chan. No wonder Vivi is so protective

>>281198989
He's so precious.

>>281186262
I remember a time you could actually read manga on desu.
The rate limit is insane, you can barely load 3 or 4 images before you get limited

>>281198737
colinbros...

>>281198952
AAAAAAAAA

>>281202928
I thought France always had them and never stopped doing something on England's sayso.

>>281202347
Kanji boogers.

>>281198932
Deja vu! I feel like I saw this page before

>>281198989
Thanks OP. William is a nice brother.

>>281140879
That bit of breast with some white victorian undergarment is REALLY EROTIC

>>281140926
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>281141220
Kid got game

>>281204960
absolutely, it's somehow sexier than if she was nude

>>281156954
>>281156973
Jesus Christ

>>281198989
Thanks, anonsito.

>>281198701
i want to hug the shota

>>281198989
Thank you for posting. It's middling.

>>281202635
I feel sad for her.
She's a good girl with a kind heart, but William can never be hers.

MAIDS
LONG SKIRTS
MAIDS
GLASSES
MAIDS
GERMAN
VICTORIAN
I LOVE MAIDS

>>281209418

>>281209418
I don't even like maids, but Emma's a plug-and-play recruiter, she could get me to love stepping on legos if she wanted to

>>281202928
Depends on how you define "romance novel". Assuming you don't mean chivalric romances, you first start seeing novels that have romance as a major focus around the mid-18th century, but they're usually more melodrama/the author is trying to make a point about ~society~ than the fluffy stuff that the term brings to mind today. But they would have shit like lovers running away together, it just would also often end badly.

>>281209576
I've always liked maids, but had avoided Emma for reasons.
But it's actually great - I really like Mori's style.

>>281198778
Is rose jam some sort of Victorian euphemism?

>>281208659
truth to be told william dont deserve her.

>>281198834
This is me when I have to go through all my emails.

>>281210960
Victorian euphemisms were intricate because Victorian standards were inhuman, and people need to parlay to pursue mates.

>>281211278
At least it takes an hour and not a day.

>>281203204
He doesn't strike me as an egotist like those rich schoolboys that wanted to get some totally legit bro scar on their face to look manly.

>>281203204
And I meant to add that is like the 19th century equivalent of a fratboy

>>281211756
>>281203204
He chose a different way to express his manly individuality with his appearance. You should really read bangaihen.

>>281212458
I will re-read it all because I don't remember but what I do know is he won at life, because he married Dorothea.

>>281202928
Jane Austen was before the Victorian era

>>281211005
Probably.
William is a nice guy - they're a penny a dozen.
Through being nice and avoiding conflict he has maneuvered himself into a situation where he WILL hurt at least one girl badly.

>read ahead
>people call the romance bad

>>281212983
So what could he have done to avoid this? Not visit kelly? Be even more of a hermit and never meet Eleanor?

>>281213309
Tell Eleanor that his heart is already spoken for and that he values her as a friend from the beginning.
Confront his dad.

>>281198989
>>281198746
When a shota cries an angel dies

>>281211756
>>281211773
>>281212458
you are thinking mainly of the Corps, the fraternities that where and to a large extent still are noble only.
There's also the Burschenschaften who are a lot more egalitarian, pro democratic (certainly during that era) and nationalist. The Landsmannschaft are only concerned about where you are from and had a broad selection of class back grounds in their membership.
The Burschenschaften where founded by a mix of merchants and middle class sons that couldn't get into the Corps and didn't like the Landsmannschaft because they where localist and didn't support German nationalism.
As a result nearly all the people getting expelled after the 1848 rebellion where Burchen.
Being an expelled Burche would neatly explain why he's in the UK but still wants to make sure that his children are raised as Germans. Because he's a German nationalist in exile before the creation of Germany. His wealth are in part due to his family and that he's educated.

but in the end it's just fandom, oh God what have I become.

>>281214311
please keep posting this sort of stuff, it's fascinating

>>281213309
>read ahead

>>281214311
A Mori-arty.

>>281213701
And when a loli cries an angel revives

So what's going through William's mind when he accepts invitations from Eleanor? Does he not understand she has feelings for him or is he just going along with her as part of his "act"?

>>281218563
At this point I think he sees marrying her as an inevitability

>>281218563
he's a piece of shit that can only think of himself. even now he's motivated by his petty juvenile revenge plan, not by familial duty.

>>281198989
>Vivi would get angry and throw her sketchbook
She was always a bratty little girl who needs a spanking. Considering the time period, how much did she get spanked?

>>281218563
I believe he accepts them out of societal obligation, but he is extremely inattentive and genuinely has no idea she's fallen in love with him. The fact that Will completely missed Grace's push to get them to meet again lends credence to this.
By the time William recieves a rude awakening from Eleanor, he doesn't really get the time to figure out a proper way to respond since Monica forces an answer out of him.

>>281209502
dork maid

>>281218961
I guess class protects her from most spankings.

>>281222335
Imagine getting a job as an ojousama's tutor and spanking her every time she misbehaves

>>281218563
It's funny. Will said he didn't want to marry her, he was forced into doing it, yet I bet people will treat him as an asshole for not loving Eleanor

>>281222566
He's being an ass for leading her on

>>281222566
He said it to Eleanor? Of course not. That's your hero.

>>281214311
I know shit all about German history post medieval and pre-WW1.

>German nationalist in exile before the creation of Germany
Could you do a quick summary of this? I'd like to see if any of it matches up with his character as we read on.

>>281222672
>>281222924
What other choice does he have? If he blows off Eleanor, Dad finds out and Will is back in trouble. Tradition and high society demand that he marries someone he doesn't want to. Then they shoulder the blame too

>>281223045
His father just dont want him to marry a maid, but he's not forcing a marriage right now, with Eleanor.

>>281223166
>unhappy marriage now or unhappy marriage later
What difference does it make? So he rejects Eleanor now and instead does it to a Mary or a Susan or an Elizabeth. Would that actually change anything?

>>281218563
Will is a retard but he is not evil at heart, far from it. He is, however a fairly sheltered 23 year old boy. If he was 10 years older I'd have less sympathy for the mistakes he's making.

>>281218961
>>281222335
I suspect a good nanny or governess would absolutely spank a young brat, even if she was the spawn of a duke or some other high nobility let alone some rich merchant's brat. Wasn't it their job?

>>281223559
New thread

>>281222358
Dream job for any young academic...
But they'd probably hire Kelly's reincarnation, which is much less hot.

>>281223045
He lacks the courage of a gentleman.
That's why he's slipping deeper into trouble every day.

>>281223166
He's not forcing it but he made it clear in the carriage ride that he would like William to marry her specifically.

>>281224240
True, but i think the father would accept a compromise on it, like waiting for some time and focusing on work instead. It's not a dealbreaker like with Emma.

>>281223228
Maybe he should try to find happiness with another woman?
His plan would only bring unhappiness to himself and those around him. Either he accepts the position he is in or he just goes to the woman he so desperately wants.

>>281224864
His whole revenge plan is bullshit.
If he didn't care about his family he could just marry Emma and tell his father to fuck off.
Heck, they probably could live with his mother, if push came to shove.
If he wasn't a complete wimp, the whole story would already be over.
He and Emma would be happy living in a small cottage from his wages as a clerk or something.

>>281198989
>When you were a child, if I didn't correctly guess what you'd drawn, you would cry
How old is Grace? I expected her to be not much younger than William.

>>281224864
>Maybe he should try to find happiness with another woman?

>>281222335
>>281223414
In fact, Vivi's status guarantees that she gets spankings. Governesses were for upper class and upper-middle class families, and they were notorious for using harsh and cruel corporal punishment. Boys would leave the governess at around age 8 for school or a male tutor, while girls would stay under the governess's instruction. A bratty girl like Vivi would certainly be getting spanked and caned well into her teens. There was even such a thing called governess birches used for "birching" and Englishwoman's Domestic Magazine describes the ideal dimensions of a governess birch for spanking girls on the bare butt.
https://www.wellredweekly.com/index.php?article=475
https://georgianjunkie.wordpress.com/2012/12/07/
>Young women and maids were supposed to be dealt with by means of a standard or governess birch. The sometimes rather fanciful Englishwoman's Domestic Magazine suggested that a governess birch should be a minimum of three feet long, with six to nine withes and weigh no less than six ounces for application to the bared bottom of a 16-year-old girl.
Kind of related, there was also a Mrs Walter in that era who garnered some attention. She provided a service to Victorian England parents who didn't want to discipline their daughters themselves. She'll spank their daughter for them.
https://vichist.blogspot.com/2017/08/victorian-dial-birch.html
>She had a strong narrow table, straps for waist, wrists and ankle and a long pliable birch rod. The hapless victim had to take off her dress, knickers and corset and put on a dressing gown back to front a bit like those embarrassing hospital gowns and was quickly strapped down.
>For screams, increased strokes must be given. If a girl tries very hard to bear it bravely, then perhaps I give 10 instead of 12’.
There's a newspaper article about it from that time period titled "Girl-Flogging in England"
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WT18900118.2.35.17

>>281202347
cute

>>281228610
Do they still hire for this position
Do they hire men

>>281228320
man, that brings back some memories

>>281231489
>Do they still hire for this position
Governesses are rarer nowadays. Not to mention the laws and social norms around corporal punishment have changed a lot so governesses now usually won't be like that.
>Do they hire men
No. By definition a governess is a woman.

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