Thread 281185177

Not that it's extremely remarkably written, but compared to many modern things the love story is actually unironically amazing and I stress /compared to/, viewing it makes one realize how utterly rare it is to actually have a “love story” in titles opposed to “love simply existing outside of any form of story”. This is actually a story of love blossoming through a story of 13 episodes opposed to having to accept that it simply exists for no reason with a decent bittersweet ending where the protagonist gives up his one chance of going home to stay with his psycho love interest who despite being a psycho was actually far better written than one dimensional later hot tempered bitches.

Most shit is just:
>Transported to other world
>Instantly forgets home world exist
>Here's your harem
>Nothing will ever happen with them and no story
>Drags on forever

It's basically about on the level of something like Brother Bear in that he's transformed into a bear and tries to become human again for the entire film but at the end in a moving scene when he has the chance to decides to remain a bear to care for his new friend. Nothing amazing, but compared to all the slop coming out of Japan where writers really can't write a story beyond writing disconnected scenes that turn them on, it's high quality.
Makes one realize just how much dreck is really coming out of Japan.

The bonus part is that it /also/ has the disconnected scenes that turn you on.

I'm working on a fanservice page, summarizing the parts I consider more ecchi. I'm not an editing expert, but I'm doing my best haha. Any comments or advice are welcome. I've only done 09 episodes of Zero no Tsukaima

https://animefpp.wordpress.com/z/

what's up with the recent shilling of this obscure fossil

>>281186470
>Obscure
Anon, it was highly influential and prominent and probably one of the reasons we have so much portal slop now which is far worse.

>>281185177 (OP)
Wasn't it pretty much Harry Potter but with femdom?

>>281185177 (OP)
>Makes one realize just how much dreck is really coming out of Japan.
Yeah. Even isekai is dog shit now compared to two decades ago. Copies of copies of copies, the Platonic ideal of the concept has been lost.

>>281186995
Harry Potter isn't really a love story either though. Harry just gets married in an epilogue to some no-name character and Armin and Mikasa get married to each other.

But yeah the plot is about H.P. level, nothing truly amazing that leaves one with “wow” at the end like Donnie Darko or Primer whatever but it wasn't bizarrely bad like most Japanese things either. Like it was actually just a plot befitting of a television series that many people would watch for the plot even without all the fan-service and sexual tension and that absolutely cannot be said about a lot of Japanese dreck.

But most of all, the love story was actually credible and believable, unlike its sister show, Syakuganno Syana where, especially in the final season, the actual plot was actually far more impressive and remarkable but the romance between the two main characters felt so unremarkable and uninspired. It's a case of “love just exists” story.

First season anyway, after that it became baaaad.

>>281187014
Yeah I kind of remember “anime” from when things like Death Note, Code Geass, Ergo Proxy and Elfen Lied and shit were all the rage and the things everyone knew. It feels those times are long gone now.

>>281187285
>It feels those times are long gone now.
You mean 2000-s?

>>281187300
Well how much is still coming out like Ergo Proxy and Death Note?
Attack on Titan was really good of course but it feels like every season is mostly wish fulfillment slop now.

>>281187360
>how much is still coming out like Ergo Proxy and Death Note
You mean pretentious overhyped trash? Plenty, look at Frieren for example.

>>281185177 (OP)
i like this show

>>281187360
I wanted to say Made in Abyss and ReZero, but then remembered they were almost a decade ago.

>>281185177 (OP)
shit taste.

>>281187596
why do you have shit taste?

>>281185177 (OP)
ZnT was the proto-isekai that codified the whole genre.
Afterwards, shosetsuka really took off and bad authors poorly knocked it off, then poorly knocked off the knockoffs, and so on, resulting in the godawful incest baby works we now have.

>>281185177 (OP)
This is garbage. You can try to call it amazing as a romance all you want but Louise's goals are subborned by saito completely. The entire thing should have had her as MC instead of saito.it took the most interesting things and turned them into fanservice only, and destroyed the only positive relationship Louise had. It's an abortion. I feel really bad for the author but I really wish I could explain how much Louise failing to do anything but be saitos cock sleeve with no confrontation with her mother or herself really ruined the plot and turned it into saitos just doing stuff for pussy.

>>281185177 (OP)
Sadly Louise is a horroble human bean.

>>281187816
Unfortunately, the author died before completing the series and the last two volumes were ghostwritten based on his notes.

the cockblock show

>>281187920
More like edging the show.

>>281187770
>ZnT was the proto-isekai that codified the whole genre.
I don't really see it.

>>281187816
>Louise faling
>The void mage who single handedly defeats the entire army at the end.
Anon, the point is that Louse starts the story with no affinity and no skill who is later discovered to be the prophecized all powerful void mage who can solo entire armies.

>>281187989
You're not looking at it critically enough, then. Or you haven't read enough of the earlier isekai to see how ZnT's contemporaries eventually morphed into the current shitshow.

>>281186470
>recent shilling
>obscure fossil
ZnT gets threads every other die, it's just most of them never hit bump limit.
That is because ZnT is an actual cultur/a/l /a/rtifact. Saito is GAR and all that.

>>281188087
You're an idiot. Louise doesn't care about any of that, she's invested in proving herself to her mother. The bullies are just a mid boss for her. Conversely her mother is absolutely invested in her not going to war in any way shape or form. This is an obvious point of dramatic conflict between the two with literally zero payoff.

>>281188168
The mother isn't even introduced until aftr the first season and the title became trash and died after that anyway.
No one has time for the milked seasons after the first, just treat the first as a standalone concluded story.

Also no, Louise' insecurities about not having any magical affinity played a big part in the first season and yeah, the character is fairly combat useless until unleashing the void tsar bomba in the final episode but that's the point.

>>281188198
You realize this is a LN adaptation, right?

>>281188198
You're an idiot who is at this point saying "yeah you're right but I don't have the patience for that lololo"

>>281187816
Louise is unironically stupid but too proud to do anything about.

>>281188214
Yeah don't care. Not talking about that, this is an anime & manga board anon.
I'm purely talking about the first season which is made clear when I talk about how it only takes 13 episodes nad then concludes.

This show holds a really special place in my heart cause it gave me my first rape fantasies

>>281188435
Extremely based opinion; best reason to like it.

>>281188262
Oh, okay, you're just retarded.

>>281187816
Did you even read the series?
Louise confronted her family and the Queen herself over Saito.

>>281187770
>>281187989
>>281188122
The skeptical anon is right, you are just making things up here. If you compared ZnT with 2000s battle-harems and isekai, you should be able to instantly realize that it shares most things with the 2000s battle-harems but other than the most basic isekai premise (which also doesn't even match any of the more common isekai-ing processes) it really doesn't match anything with isekai whatsoever.
What stands out the most is that it has the very characteristic 2000s battle-harem style of a "fake harem" where the harem is just there for the MC to choose from and the other orbiting girls to suffer the misery of being cucked (sometimes while the losing girls stay as eternal loser orbiters regardless), while in isekai a harem in most cases is actually a harem in the true polygamous sense.

>>281189006
The nice thing about the first season of Zero was that most of the other characters had their own independent love life and that Laito also faced a really good cuck arc.
He actually had to take on a very exquisite bull to win and it really showed the importance of a good cuck arc to make the protagonist realize his feelings. Many things are too chicken for this since they don't endeavor to tell any love story, just doze the audience in vapid wish fulfillment.

>>281189006
You didn't watch any of this shit and you are larping. The only heroine who is even comparable to a battle harem heroine in any way is Charlotte. Saito is the only one who does stuff.

>>281189726
You're an idiot. This character was a massive waste, his opinions on the wind stone crisis where never explored and it boiled down to a fucking fuck arc. It's just one more example of how harem wish fulfillment slop ruined this story.

>>281189823
Exquisite bull coming in to steal yo waifu anon.
How are you going to respond?
You're not just going to take it as he bridal carries your waifu making the latter blush with his beautiful hair and beard right? You have some answer right?

>>281189864
I see myself in Louise, not saito. And I reject him because, fundamentally his plan is stupid. But I would only know that after a character arc with saito/other familiar where they tell me about their world. Instead of thinking with your dick, learn how story and character development happens.

>>281190167
Louise isn't the protagonist anon, though to be fair this story does a good job of painting scenes from many different perspectives. At the end the central character and main perspective character is still clearly Saito.

Stop self-inserting into love interests just because you see yourself in them.

>>281189006
He’s not right though. Several of the most popular current isekai are made by authors who got their start in ZnT fan fiction.

>>281190167
Also:
>I see myself in a psycho rapechad rather than the voice of reason who generally says sensible things.
Fascinating.

>>281190243
I don't care. She should have been.
>>281190282
Stop quoting me when talking to yourself

>>281190252
Post their fics and their actual books. I can't think of a single good znt fic and I've scoured lots.

>>281190403
Still wasn't, and people who self-insert as the love interest rather than the protagonist are virgins and deserve the rope, especially when they be violent psycho irrational rapechads.

>>281190436
>>>/reddit/

>>281189006
What were 2000s isekai titles?

>>281185177 (OP)
isekai writers don't know how to write
they just continuously shit out concepts, and people read them ONLY for the concept. that's also why the titles are so long.

>>281190282
>I see myself in a psycho rapechad
Yes.

>>281186470
get out, newfag

>>281191408
That's just because of syosetu.com not listing descriptions but only titles so they need to put the entire concept in the title to sell it and then the title sticks.

Things that don't start there generally don't have it.

>>281191775
You can click on any title and it will show the synopsis immediately, like picking out a book from the library and reading the back.

>>281191976
And people won't click if there isn't anything that draws their attention, or at least many don't.
People just noticed that they get more readers that way.

With comic books you have the cover art to sell it but honestly I don't get the marketing there either from time to time. This is the cover of the first volume of Inuyaski. This would really not draw my attention at all to be honest, if it were the same person but his head was split open revealing the machinery on the inside like how it's often done in the title itself showing he's a robot that would draw me in far more.

I'm sure they know what they're doing but I just feel it would sell far more if his head were split open or it would in some other way reveal the machinery.

>>281192142
A good title is important, but there's something specific about how bad isekai is and why people read them that causes them to put the entire hook into the title, otherwise everyone would be doing this. This is tabloid levels of trashy.

>>281192454
Well it's not specific to Isekai and it's more so just a syosetu.com thing. Many things that aren't isekai there also do it and things that don't start there like say “Outbride” just have “Outbride” as title.

>>281187285
>>281188198
>>281188262

What do you have against the other 3 seasons man, are you a dubfag by chance?

>>281185177 (OP)
One of the best anime.

>>281189726
Who cares? That whole archetype of Louise/Shana/Taiga violent tsundere is trash. The biggest contribution of isekai to the world is getting rid of this shitty love-interest archetype. Good riddance.
>>281189787
Whether the girls do anything "useful" isn't a characteristic for any of the settings because it varies in all of them. You have battle-harems where the girls carry the battles and ones where they are useless despite being considered fighters. The same is true for isekai, so it can't be used as a distinction here.
The characteristic that DOES apply to ZnT that also applies to 2000s battle-harems but not to isekai is that the other girls end up as cucked loser orbiters around Saitou with Louise as the sole "winner", proving that ZnT is a 2000s battle-harem style "fake harem".
>>281190252
False myth. Like I said, isekai eliminated Louise's very archetype from the face of the earth. And from countless isekai LN I've read, I don't remember any acknowledgement towards ZnT from their afterwords.
>>281191304
There were almost none, and the few that were are nothing like the 2010s isekai that are getting anime adaptations right now.

>>281192454
Nope, LNs were already doing this before isekai. There was an explosion in LNs shortly before isekai webnovels appeared, so LNs at the storefronts already had to do these "synopsis titles" to be able to stand out.
With narou the titles just became even longer because you no longer had to deal with just 100+ no-name competitors, but rather with 10000+ no-name competitors trying to make a name for yourself.

>>281193426
>LNs were already doing this before isekai
Not really
I'm old enough to have been reading LNs since the 2000s and this was in no way the trend like it is now.

Here's how Henrietta can still win:

>>281193267
>False myth.
Cope. Cited and true. Re:Zero wouldn’t even exist without ZnT fanfiction.

>>281193715
Figures, Re:Zero is the one isekai I have deliberately not read nor watched and never will. You only confirmed that I made the right decision to skip that one in particular.

>>281193798
>the world operates according to my special snowflake perspective

>>281193267
>There were almost none
Sure, but what are the actual titles?

>>281194556
Isekai no Seikishi Monogatari
Ixion Saga