Thread 281194307 - /a/ [Archived: 247 hours ago]

Anonymous
8/4/2025, 6:10:34 PM No.281194307
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>Even though you have the powers of a god, that doesn't give you the right to believe you're more special than the supermarket cashier.
Why do anime always convey this message, whether subtly or directly?
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Anonymous
8/4/2025, 6:12:00 PM No.281194340
have you considered not watching shonenshit?
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Anonymous
8/4/2025, 6:26:57 PM No.281194679
>>281194307 (OP)
It's a good message? Having Godlike powers doesn't make you a better person. Being raised with empathy is important. Just because you're a dejected loser who wants to take it out on the world doesn't mean that Mob has to be. He wanted to be normal and learned how through his made friends and connections, without having to abuse his powers.
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Anonymous
8/4/2025, 6:40:06 PM No.281194961
Saitama doesn’t feel particularly passionate about getting invested in most fights, but what that means for him is that he can find other things in life that mean more to him than that. Heroism is a hobby, he does it because he feels like it, he doesn’t want to center his entire life trying to get in good with people who may not understand him or place himself as a pillar of the community that everyone must heed or respect. However, once he saw that there are lower ranking heroes who have the same struggles that he does being stuck with an unfortunate unmarketable undesired name, a switch flipped inside of him. Saitama never asked to be Caped Baldy, but rather than it being a burden he held alone, it is something that he can be invested in, a goal to strive for that has conflict and resolution. Because of that, he has a renewed purpose to fight, and he high fives his new friends and punches with confidence, not because he’s fighting for personal gain or self-satisfaction, but because he has a new avenue to live his life
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 6:45:44 PM No.281195109
>>281194307 (OP)
Because, unlike the West, Japan is a collectivist country. That's why muricas didn't get the ending of MHA ("where's muh number 1 hero?").
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Anonymous
8/4/2025, 6:47:16 PM No.281195143
>>281194307 (OP)
Because the last time Japan thought of themselves better than the others, they did absolutely nothing in China and everywhere else that they didn't invade.
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Anonymous
8/4/2025, 6:49:33 PM No.281195210
A god shouldn't be walking among humans.
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 6:50:47 PM No.281195246
>Just lift dude
Why do anime always convey this message, whether subtly or directly?
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Anonymous
8/4/2025, 6:52:32 PM No.281195297
>>281194307 (OP)
Power corrupts.
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 6:53:15 PM No.281195313
>>281194679
mob doesn't even have godlike power in the first place. he got the shit beat out of him by a dude with deodorant spray and squiggly arms. if you get the drop on him he's just a kid.
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Anonymous
8/4/2025, 7:04:09 PM No.281195624
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO you have to use your talents exactly how I want to cause this talentless bitter loser SAID SO OKAY?!?!?!?!!!
Fuck off
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 7:24:40 PM No.281196180
>>281194307 (OP)
Talents aren't to benefit you they exist for the sake of others.
And is true, sadly westerners assume being talented to being above the rest which isn't the case.
>>281195143
At least learn the truth that china was a small country since most of current china and korea was japan soil.
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Anonymous
8/4/2025, 7:26:14 PM No.281196231
>>281194307 (OP)
Because the world already has too many powerful pricks who are playing God.
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 7:26:18 PM No.281196233
>>281194307 (OP)
I mean, imagine if George Soros had godlike power, would you like that?
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 7:26:39 PM No.281196243
Japanese moral law in their fiction is absolute. It’s one thing to be a cheat god in an isekai, but if the setting is modern day Japan it’s critical to impress proper societal morals on the characters.
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Anonymous
8/4/2025, 7:30:54 PM No.281196374
>>281194307 (OP)
>shonen
An isekaiCHAD would use their cheat power the way they wanted it though.
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Anonymous
8/4/2025, 7:57:45 PM No.281197087
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Mob is about not letting power get to your head and prevent you from living a normal life. Prevent being the key word. People who just lean on their power as a crutch and bully others with it can't have successful lives, thus Toichiro's wife left him, Serizawa was a nonfunctional NEET, etc.
The message isn't to suppress your talents and abilities and never use them, the entire character of Mob himself is a warning against that. It's not "don't use your psychic powers and go be a wagie" it's "don't focus only on your powers and ignore the other parts of your life." Also not so subtly, "don't be an asshole with your powers"
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Anonymous
8/4/2025, 8:06:54 PM No.281197303
>>281194307 (OP)
Because the supermarket clerk has a god++ powerlevel and would curbstomp you if he lifted his pinky, duh.
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 8:25:30 PM No.281197718
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It's kind of similar but one of Gurren Lagann's themes is that your heroes aren't these perfect godly beings who are simply born like that. Kamina's cool attitude inspires those around him to do their best but he could only put on that brave face because he's surrounded by hardworking and reliable people he knows he can count on. Everyone strived to be Kamina when in reality Kamina could only be who he is when those around him had the courage to be themselves.
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Anonymous
8/4/2025, 8:38:03 PM No.281198046
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>>281195246
Because lifting is good for the body.
And depending on how stressed you are, maybe even for the mind too
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 8:44:52 PM No.281198213
>>281195313
That was him suppressing his power. End of the series Mob (aka Mob 100% + ???) is practically invincible.
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Anonymous
8/4/2025, 8:47:35 PM No.281198274
>>281195246
Because it's good advice.
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 8:50:21 PM No.281198338
>>281194307 (OP)
Because in WW2 the Japs did believe they were better and went on to commit atrocities against their neighbors in Korea and China, after the Nuke and the American re-education, they changed their tune.
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Anonymous
8/4/2025, 8:52:25 PM No.281198376
>>281194307 (OP)
What do you think Mob should have been doing instead?
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Anonymous
8/4/2025, 8:53:55 PM No.281198409
>>281194307 (OP)
>Even though you have a billion dollars, it doesn't make you a better human being than the guy at the mcdonalds drive thru
Of course you struggle to comprehend the moral here.
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Anonymous
8/4/2025, 8:55:10 PM No.281198449
>>281198376
>go to school
>choose a cute chick
>move here with telekinesis to somewhere empty
>spread her legs with your power and have your way with her
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 8:55:35 PM No.281198455
ONE: I am a cuck
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Anonymous
8/4/2025, 8:58:18 PM No.281198513
>>281194307 (OP)
>humility bad
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 9:04:46 PM No.281198651
>>281198409
>Even though you have a billion dollars, it doesn't make you a better human being than the guy at the mcdonalds drive thru
Well it's better to cry in a Ferrari than in a Bus.
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 9:09:41 PM No.281198763
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>>281198376
Yes, let’s all take life advice from the OP because clearly a worthless nigger is the pinnacle of authority on how others should live.
Can you imagine being dictated by someone who's been pathetic their whole life?
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 9:45:32 PM No.281199670
>>281196180
>Talents aren't to benefit you they exist for the sake of others
Actual, unfiltered slave morality
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Anonymous
8/4/2025, 9:47:49 PM No.281199738
>>281199670
t. bugman without community
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 9:51:13 PM No.281199838
This is one few times where the core message of an anime was just straight up retarded. It tries to devalue the importance and value of power, even that same power is necessary to save everyone. I wish people didn't feel like they had to defend any dumbfuck message anime wants to spew.
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Anonymous
8/4/2025, 9:58:32 PM No.281200067
>>281199838
Alot of people deny this criticism when even the author somewhat adresses it on the last season of the anime.
Mob gets run over by a car and his inner psychic goes on a rampage wrecking half the city because Mob refused to use his powers even to save his own life.
I'm guessing trying to sell the idea that; "If you have "super powers" why would you use them to make the world a worse place to live in?" is a hard question to ask without seemingly reprimending "super powers" in general.
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Anonymous
8/4/2025, 9:59:15 PM No.281200089
>>281199838
What do you mean by saving everyone? Could Mob save everyone from the disastrous consequemces of the industrial revolution?
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 10:11:58 PM No.281200401
>>281198213
>[headcanon]
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Anonymous
8/4/2025, 10:25:16 PM No.281200711
>>281200401
Did you literally miss the entire point of the series, which is Mob holding back his power until some spills when his emotions get to 100%, and ??? being him fully unleashed?
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 10:27:51 PM No.281200774
>>281196374
Based. Isekai is actually the most mature genre but one needs some refinement to see it.
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 10:29:35 PM No.281200817
>>281198338
>Nuke
Nukes don't exist.
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Anonymous
8/4/2025, 10:33:37 PM No.281200911
>>281197087
This. It's kind of a shame that father and son eyebrow fuck it up in the anime by saying "yeah wel should never use our powers again". The final season was kind of a mess but the manga was excellent.
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 10:34:59 PM No.281200953
>>281199670
Everyone who doesn't sit at the top is a slave to you though.
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 10:38:29 PM No.281201042
kamina and simon
kamina and simon
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>>281197718
>"When I feel weak, or when I lack self-confidence, I remember Simon’s back as he dug tirelessly. I wanted to become a man who’s back would never break. That’s what I thought"
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 10:54:39 PM No.281201443
>>281194307 (OP)
With great power, comes great responsibility.
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 10:55:41 PM No.281201469
>>281194340
Shonen is not a style or genre
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 12:50:20 AM No.281203736
>>281194307 (OP)
>series teach a lesson of basic empathy
>droves of sociopaths cannot comprehend it and complain
Why does this happen so often?
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 1:53:33 AM No.281204945
>>281194307 (OP)
Girls don't like the jock in high school because he won a medal or whatever, they like him because winning a medal at that age requires a level of discipline and maturity that sets them apart from their peers.
Even if YOU somehow got super powers and could win at life girls still wouldn't like you because your a immature autistic loser who can't self improve or understand the basic moral of a show for children.

>>281203736
he gets it
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 2:38:52 AM No.281205651
>>281204945
>Girls don't like the jock in high school because he won a medal or whatever, they like him because winning a medal at that age requires a level of discipline and maturity that sets them apart from their peers.
XD
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 2:55:28 AM No.281205885
>>281199670
Lmao, individualism is literally how the rich got you to slave away for them and be happy about it.
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 2:59:08 AM No.281205951
>>281200067
>is a hard question to ask without seemingly reprimending "super powers" in general.
How? Just don't depict evil acts with the powers
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 3:06:29 AM No.281206098
>>281205885
What makes you say that?
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 3:29:42 AM No.281206540
>>281194307 (OP)
what other anime does this? this one is unique in that respect
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 3:33:32 AM No.281206632
>>281194307 (OP)
He's right, powers wont make you better, or give you happiness.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 3:36:06 AM No.281206694
>>281194307 (OP)
Because its important, if you think you're more special because of some childhood talent you'll often start to coast the rest of your life on it, and when all you have is that one thing you're always one bad incident away from ruining your own self perception, like someone else being a better artist than you who has been the specialest little art guy forever, or someone being a far better athlete at the same age on a competition even though that has been your thing all your life
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 3:39:21 AM No.281206756
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>>281194307 (OP)
>>281194679
What's wrong with using your god given talents?
Why must one bow down to his inferiors?
Mediocrity is what is holding this species back.
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 3:39:32 AM No.281206761
If you have only one thing going on with your life and you lose it it's game over unless you improve other aspects of yourself.
If Mob becomes someone who only relies on his powers and doesn't improve on other things he would be fucked if for whatever reason he loses his powers one day, like most villains prove that.
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 3:42:01 AM No.281206807
having powers over other does make you special and better tho and it also helps you achieve the things you want easier.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 3:48:38 AM No.281206954
>>281206761
When are villains losing their powers?
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 3:50:31 AM No.281207000
>>281204945
Who says girls like jocks?
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 3:54:24 AM No.281207069
>>281206756
Just don't be an asshole, fag.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:03:38 AM No.281207275
>>281206756
What god given talents did Ayn Rand have
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:05:25 AM No.281207317
>>281194307 (OP)
That's literally the entire appeal of Superman.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:06:46 AM No.281207339
>>281206756
>written by a woman
By her own logic nothing she says needs to even be given the time of day and is just female babble.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:08:35 AM No.281207373
>>281206756
Why does being stronger mean you have to oppress others? That means you are a cowardly and weak faggot because you have to rule through terror instead of strength, kike.
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:15:46 AM No.281207499
>>281207373
Everyone is disgusted by weakness. The strong have the right to rule over the weak.
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:16:38 AM No.281207516
>>281207499
That is weakness you dumb fuck, you are scared of the "weak" because you hold no real strength.
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:20:50 AM No.281207602
>>281207516
Sophistry
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:22:22 AM No.281207633
>>281207499
Ooga booga
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:23:15 AM No.281207662
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>>281207602
Geography? We are just spouting words now?
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:24:11 AM No.281207687
>>281207516
I'm sorry that you were bullied in school but it's just the truth and always have been.
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:25:03 AM No.281207701
>>281207516
t. Guy who would definitely fall on the "weak" category
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:27:00 AM No.281207754
>>281207701
>>281207687
I can't believe the strongest men alive are in their 70s and 80s.
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:29:11 AM No.281207801
>>281207516
Pilpul.
You talk like a prison bitch. You wouldn't last a day in my world.
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:30:35 AM No.281207839
>>281207801
Why are you black
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:32:02 AM No.281207870
>>281207839
Non-sequitur.
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:32:37 AM No.281207882
>>281207373

TRVTH NVKE
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:33:49 AM No.281207919
>>281207882
It's a truth dvd. Try harder when you samefag next time.
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:34:17 AM No.281207927
>>281207870
Nigguitur.
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:36:06 AM No.281207955
>>281196180
>>they exist for the sake of others
You are not obligated to help a society that hates you.
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you
8/5/2025, 4:36:11 AM No.281207957
>>281207919
Me
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:36:14 AM No.281207961
Do strong people argue relentlessly over children's media on an online guatemalan curling forum?
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:36:23 AM No.281207965
>>281207927
You got black on the brain, that is a personal problem. I suggest therapy it suits weaklings like yourself.
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:37:19 AM No.281207987
>>281207965
I AM THE FUCKING STRONG
you
8/5/2025, 4:37:34 AM No.281207992
>>281207957
Pardon im new here and trans if thats even matter
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:38:36 AM No.281208016
>>281207687
The truth is the most fit adaptable and intelligent wins
you
8/5/2025, 4:38:56 AM No.281208023
>>281207992
Is the samefag in the room with us? No doc im sorry im brown btw if thats truly matter
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:39:47 AM No.281208038
>>281207961
only THE STRONGEST OF THE STRONG
you
8/5/2025, 4:40:05 AM No.281208044
Test
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:41:10 AM No.281208065
>>281207754
How did you come to that conclusion?
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:41:17 AM No.281208066
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>>281207961
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:41:38 AM No.281208073
>>281206756
There's a difference between kneeling before others and simply engaging with them in good faith without coercion or abuse.
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:44:07 AM No.281208117
>>281208073
Anon is trying to talk to the intellectual equivalent of a particularly smart dog or a worryingly stupid child, Randlets are barely sentient.
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:46:25 AM No.281208160
americans
americans
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>>281195109
you
8/5/2025, 4:48:43 AM No.281208214
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Bully me im a phonechadposter or I we still mooting about your))) insecurities, real strength came from with in
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:52:32 AM No.281208301
>>281194307 (OP)
Because if your attitude is shit then you're not really a god.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:54:15 AM No.281208328
>>281206756
It's wrong if the results don't align with a person's nature. If he wants to live a happy life and is, other than having some super power, normal, he wouldn't want to destroy the world just because he can. He's reliant on the mediocrity of life to fulfill his needs for him, because he's largely mediocre himself. There is nothing holding the species back other than the inherent inadequacy of being a social species with social needs.
A lot of Japanese morality stems from taking into consideration of what other people are to you and who you are to them and being grateful for that.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:56:52 AM No.281208378
>>281208117
Ad hominem
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:58:40 AM No.281208416
>>281194307 (OP)
well, sure he is more special than the average cashier
>normal person +1 is more than normal person +0
i think what he meant was "don't be a dick".
>Why do anime always convey this message, whether subtly or directly?
they are just trying to give a good message to the viewer without sounding like a book. there is no way anybody will make a character say " in aristotle's Physic book II he says even nature acts for an end, that followed up with Ethics book I... and then fortitude when is directed to others is generosity and... so..." nobody would like to see all of that shit in manga or anime
you
8/5/2025, 4:59:43 AM No.281208435
>>281208378
Ok sar im sorry sar
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:01:08 AM No.281208457
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Because it's the moral duty of the strong to protect the weak. Because those who are weak are not worthless because you deem them to be if you can get away it.
Sorry this doesn't fit with edgelord beliefs, and hopefully you'll grow out of it one day
you
8/5/2025, 5:01:27 AM No.281208464
Can we just be nice and comfyylllkjh, the sky is so clear out here ahhh what a life
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:02:22 AM No.281208490
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>>281208464
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:10:01 AM No.281208645
>>281196243
The one true answer. God i'd love to see that get challenged in a show or manga
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:11:46 AM No.281208683
>>281208490
I'm the woat of /a/
you
8/5/2025, 5:17:27 AM No.281208795
Why i cant delete my post i haven't change my IP. Its a joke im not trans I dont want my post archived with that
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:17:49 AM No.281208803
>>281208645
Try reading reverend insanity if you want sociopaths.
Replies: >>281208902
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:22:56 AM No.281208902
>>281208803
I meant challenging japanese moral law in something that isnt surface level. does it do that?
Replies: >>281209046
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:30:02 AM No.281209046
>>281208902
No, it's a chinese novel so if anything japanese comes up it'll be to make fun of them. I can't think of anything that challenges japanese morality, maybe something like Shigurui or Harakiri might work... you have to understand that Japanese morality is already a very loose idea and in some ways it's based off of how empty the idea of morality, face, and honor actually is.
Replies: >>281209103
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:33:51 AM No.281209103
>>281209046
Here's a better idea of what i mean. in mha, If, Im remembering correctly, hori talked abou thow the animators, again, im not sure if im remembering, didnt want to animate certains cenes of te villains backstory because it criticized too much of their society. so something like that that would make someone in that culture uncomfortable for that reason
Replies: >>281209270
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:37:34 AM No.281209168
crime
crime
md5: 089311fafd36506f42d0ad8ed393e912🔍
>>281194307 (OP)
Because using force to get what you want is called crime.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:41:08 AM No.281209214
leave it to bitter, reclusive, friendless failures that peaked in middle school to entirely miss the point of mob psycho
yeah man you clearly know so much better, guy who's reflexively goes to /a/ as soon as you pull yourself out of bed
Replies: >>281209429
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:44:46 AM No.281209270
>>281209103
Youjo Senki's entire premise is how Japanese corporate culture is basically just fascism for salarymen and that capitalism turns people into self-righteous, inhuman machines for profit.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:54:30 AM No.281209429
>>281209214
Yeah yeah you described me perfectly. What about it?
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:56:30 AM No.281209462
>>281204945
Maturity is the last word I would use to describe highschool jocks.
Girls actually like the jock in high school because he's popular and has a lot of social capital. It's all about conforming.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 6:32:20 AM No.281209992
>>281204945
You are fucking delusional. How old are you?
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 7:07:49 AM No.281210541
>>281194307 (OP)
How would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning, OP?
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 8:09:27 AM No.281211325
>>281194307 (OP)
Because they think leadership should be left to the hereditary nobility.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 8:29:09 AM No.281211547
>>281196243
This is also why a large majority of the 'comedy' you see in anime/manga is largely rooted in the correction and public shaming of improper social conduct, i.e., boke and tsukkomi/manzai routines. The tsukkomi has to explicitly point out the boke's errors EVERY SINGLE TIME (regardless if they are intentional or not), lest the boke run the risk of corrupting the impressionable audience and single-handedly destroying the shared social fabric of the nation through their unsanctioned ignorance and/or irreverence. TLDR; they think the audience is retarded.
Replies: >>281211785
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 8:32:25 AM No.281211582
>>281206756
Mob is about rounding out the rest of your life and not focusing only on your talents. The point of Mob humbling the other psychics is so they could realize that without it, they had nothing in life. It's supposed to be telling you that you'll reach a point where your talent can't solve your problems for you and you'll need other aspects of your life to pick up the slack. Pretty much every member of Claw in season 1 was a complete fucking loser aside from the fact that they were in Claw.

It's not about settling for mediocrity, it's about self improvement
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 8:33:26 AM No.281211592
>>281206954
When they fight someone with greater power, suddenly they have nothing to go off of. When Claw was dissolved by Mob wrecking their shit, the remaining guys all went back to their loser lives now that they had no organization to use their powers for
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 8:35:17 AM No.281211616
>>281194307 (OP)
Americans weird love for individualism will never cease to amaze me. You arent the MC, stop acting like it
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 8:39:31 AM No.281211676
>>281194307 (OP)
That's just the message of every 2deep4me anime out there, for whatever reason.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 8:50:02 AM No.281211785
>>281211547
It's not that they think the audience is retarded. It's a fact that people really are that impressionable. The consensus is really a fragile thing that requires nurturing. You, probably from a godless shithole like America, believe everyone is some enlightened rational actor that can hold the views of society at arms length and engage using their own good judgement as individuals.
Replies: >>281211894
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:02:25 AM No.281211894
>>281211785
... which of course naturally means that you should view and treat literally everyone you see as if they're small, empty-headed toddlers that mindlessly copy everything they see like literal apes. If you treat people like idiots, then all you're ever going to get is idiots because all they've ever known is your condescending infantilism that never challenges them, never lets them risk potentially misunderstanding ambiguous/ironic stimuli or trusts them to use their brain and reach their own conclusions or make their own mistakes like a grown fucking adult.
Replies: >>281211909
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:04:14 AM No.281211909
>>281211894
You sound like you're exxaggerating things, bud.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:04:45 AM No.281211916
>>281194307 (OP)
We already saw what would have happened if Mob used his power for personal reasons, Suzuki and Mogami are a cautionary tale for Mob to learn that real peace in life comes from building relationships and growth. I'm sorry you think being an edgelord god would be any fun, it's not because the isolation literally kills you from inside.
Replies: >>281211937
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:06:37 AM No.281211937
>>281211916
> it's not because the isolation literally kills you from inside.
How would you know?
Replies: >>281211956
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:08:51 AM No.281211956
>>281211937
You live and you learn, I still find myself correcting mistakes I made during my childhood. Basically, I had a massive ego and after graduation I felt isolated and it made me spiral, for now I have few good people in my life. And I know they're more important than whatever I can do.
Replies: >>281211972
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:10:28 AM No.281211972
>>281211956
Good for you. Not everyone is so fortunate.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:12:14 AM No.281211984
>>281200817
I don't know of many bombs that make your bones so brittle they dissolve in cremation when you die.
Replies: >>281212608
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:16:07 AM No.281212021
>>281194307 (OP)
Mob Psycho 100 continues to be a litmus test for psychopaths somehow.
Truly a modern classic.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:20:25 AM No.281212051
>>281200817
It this a new stupid conspiracy theory?
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:21:01 AM No.281212058
>>281207373
No one's talking about "oppressing", retard nigger.
Being stronger means you have a duty to use your strength to make the world a better place for everyone, but ONE wants you to throw your power away and become a supermarket cashier.
Replies: >>281212100 >>281212108 >>281212229 >>281212296 >>281212338 >>281212398 >>281218976
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:22:05 AM No.281212069
>>281200817
They just reinvented those things in CSM
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:24:50 AM No.281212100
>>281212058
>ONE wants you to throw your power away and become a supermarket cashier.
Elaborate? Can you show me a scene or a panel where he suggests this?
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:25:30 AM No.281212108
>>281212058
How are you gonna turn to world into a better place while thinking everyone else are scum and inferior to you?
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:37:06 AM No.281212229
>>281212058
Those guys had a power to punch people really fucking hard and make superweapons. How exactly are they going to help out the world?
Replies: >>281222463
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:40:42 AM No.281212274
1504261007473
1504261007473
md5: 4da7f1973820f2d32f3a70cedd2fa9d9🔍
>>281194307 (OP)

You are not a god if you have limitations. Mob could level city, sure, but he can't cook, he can't do art, he can't invent things. He is just a regular guy who happened to be good at one thing.

Sure, he can do things others can't do. But others can do things he can't too. It is a pretty good message if you ask me
Replies: >>281213427 >>281214485
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:43:23 AM No.281212296
literally me
literally me
md5: 6f1c65ce70686adca61a2e2b97945f69🔍
>>281212058
I don't have to do shit if i don't feel like it actually.

See, considering how smart and handsome i am i could be out there fucking whores all day everyday and spread my god like genes across nations to improve humanity as a whole. But i choose to shitpost here on 4chan's anime board instead out of my own freewill and superior intellect
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:47:33 AM No.281212338
>>281212058
ONE actually just wants you to understand the supermarket cashier is just as important as (you) are and has his own habits, hobbies, and talents that are not inherently inferior to yours. Being strong is nice, but so is being smart or courageous or kind or funny or trying your best even if you don't have much else going for you. Mob Psycho beats you over the head with this message so hard that Reigen outright says it just to make absolutely for sure you caught on.
The psychic powers are quite literally just a metaphor. Does being a piano prodigy obligate you to only ever play the piano? Even if they decide they fucking hate music and would rather do filler reports for some mid-tier company instead, it still wouldn't diminish their value as people. That's the point.
Everyone and anyone can help make the world a better place if they want to, they don't have to be some one-in-a-million Great Man. What are (you) doing to contribute?
Replies: >>281213486
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:53:40 AM No.281212398
>>281212058
>Hey, if you have super powers (born talent) you don't have to let them define you, and you don't have the right to use them on others to unjustly enforce your will on people. Your powers don't make you better or worse than the average person, because in the end, we're all human.

>WHAT YOU TELL ME I SHOULD NEVER USE MY POWERS TO HELP PEOPLE AND BE A CASHIER INSTEAD??

It never ceases to amaze me that it's been almost 10 years and there are still retards like you who insist of misconstruing the simplest, least offensive message an anime could have, just because some of the evil characters later on work at a supermarket.
As if the message of the show is that those people should be cashiers forever, and not that even a cashier deserves respect.
Fucking retard.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:58:04 AM No.281212437
>>281197087
>People who just lean on their power as a crutch and bully others with it can't have successful lives
Imagine believing this. It's politics 101.
Replies: >>281212476
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:02:08 AM No.281212476
>>281212437
Is the diseased society we live in truly normal? Why does it feel like it isn't, and not just to me but for everyone?
If we are arguing from the point of view of the modern world, then yeah the bad people won and we live in hell. Objective morality is still objective morality, and this is what this is, no matter how you want to twist it.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:14:40 AM No.281212608
>>281211984
Standing next to yo mama after Taco Tuesday
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:21:20 AM No.281212689
>>281194307 (OP)
Different culture, promoves the group well being above individualism, too much of this or that is bad just enough to not to be a carpet neither a diva.
Replies: >>281213578
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:35:53 AM No.281212812
The anime fumbled a few bits, particularly the Suzuki fight where they rush through it and the final bit where him and Sho vow to never use their powers again.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:48:23 AM No.281212931
1660173874637042
1660173874637042
md5: 167b818e981fc0d0bcc26e816497acb2🔍
>>281206756
>ayn rand
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 11:39:06 AM No.281213427
>>281212274
>but he can't cook, he can't do art, he can't invent things.
He's a god, he can do all that and just summon it out of nowhere, but Mob is a retard who doesn't know how to use his power for his own convenience.
If he wanted, he could say "I want to know how to cook" and absorb all the knowledge from a cookbook in a minute.
Replies: >>281216737
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 11:45:57 AM No.281213486
>>281212338
>Does being a piano prodigy obligate you to only ever play the piano?
In Japan? Yes.
If you don't, you're a loser and a laughingstock.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 11:47:06 AM No.281213492
>>281194307 (OP)
They have a based, anti-elitist mindset. In the West they would be a celebrity that lives in a mansion and consorts with jews. It's part of the reason every Western protagonist is either a trustfund baby or lives a poorly disguised trustfund baby life (even if it's unintentional) whereas in Anime they will literally stop the Superhero plot to have the MC go work his shift at 7-Eleven or go grocery shopping because they're a regular person.
Replies: >>281213505
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 11:47:56 AM No.281213505
>>281213492
Who the fuck is Spiderman
Replies: >>281213556
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 11:52:44 AM No.281213556
>>281213505
some black teenager or something, they keep changing for some reason
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 11:53:02 AM No.281213561
>>281208117
>a particularly smart dog or a worryingly stupid child
This sounds like the pitch for a sitcom, if it doesn't already exist.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 11:53:58 AM No.281213578
>>281212689
Which is ironic, because in Japan, they're very individualistic and look down on anyone beneath them.
I've seen how those bastards are willing to abandon an entire generation.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 11:57:30 AM No.281213633
>>281206756
the book that launched a thousand shits
Replies: >>281216158
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 12:05:26 PM No.281213722
>>281194307 (OP)
Well, I mean - In real life, no-one has super powers, so we need to cope. The idea that it's the more moral option is like the people who say that death gives life meaning: It's sour grapes.
99% of people with super powers would become instant shitheads.
Replies: >>281214272
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 12:21:09 PM No.281213853
>>281207516
christ cuck slave moralist
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 1:09:39 PM No.281214272
>>281213722
You can interpret "superpowers" as a metaphor for any kind of talent that can help you become an expert in some field.
Replies: >>281214330
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 1:10:01 PM No.281214275
>>281207516
>you are scared of the "weak" because you hold no real strength
Are you an idiot? It's the other way around. The weak are slaves because they fear the strong.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 1:15:34 PM No.281214330
>>281214272
I think there is a significant different. Like, in truth, having a talent or whatever doesn't make you better than human. Our one comfort is that even a billionaire will die if you jump him with a knife.
To be superhuman is to be above all that. It would be a level of power unknown to anyone.
Replies: >>281214363 >>281214385
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 1:17:48 PM No.281214347
>>281194307 (OP)
because Japanes are a buckbroken nation of soul castrates they created NTR and even have 3 or like 4 words for it. the only proper response to One's shitout is to piss on his face.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 1:19:18 PM No.281214363
>>281214330
>Our one comfort is that even a billionaire will die if you jump him with a knife.
Of course, if the guards don't kill you first and he doesn't have access to the best medical service.
Replies: >>281214402 >>281214437
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 1:21:19 PM No.281214385
>>281214330
you will never be in a position to jump a billionaire with a knife if said billionaire has even half of a brain cell
Replies: >>281214402
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 1:23:40 PM No.281214402
luigi-mangione-brian-thompson-ceo-killer-pa_05
luigi-mangione-brian-thompson-ceo-killer-pa_05
md5: 09fb0a833f5d81b4f6693a8fcd0fe692🔍
>>281214363
>>281214385
Replies: >>281214423 >>281214690
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 1:26:05 PM No.281214423
>>281214402
not a billionaire
Replies: >>281214520
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 1:28:20 PM No.281214437
>>281214363
Yeah, but he's not going to physically beat your ass. Imagine if you jump Elon Musk, and he personally beats the piss out of you, that's an extra kind of humiliating.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 1:31:22 PM No.281214467
>>281204945
Girls like the jock in high school because he's a sociopath who bullies his lessers.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 1:33:33 PM No.281214485
>>281212274
Mob can do all of those things though. It'd take him only a bit of practice.

But he also can do absolutely ridiculous things that no one else can do no matter how much they practice.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 1:38:07 PM No.281214520
>>281214423
Doesn't matter
Replies: >>281214591
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 1:44:42 PM No.281214591
>>281214520
it fucking does, it absolutely does, the difference between that guy and a billionaire is bigger than between him and you. That retard would need to spend about 20% of his income to make himself well protected and he still needed to go to work.
A billionaire needs less than 1% to make sure you will never get within 10 miles of him and he doesn't need to do shit, he can sit in his villa and snort cocaine from underage butts for the rest of its life.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 1:53:47 PM No.281214690
>>281214402
He was just lucky that the guy he was trying to kill had a moment of stupidity and decided to be unprotected despite being the most hated person in the country.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 2:06:20 PM No.281214827
>>281206756
That's why I used my talent for basketball to get into college
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 2:48:20 PM No.281215336
>>281194307 (OP)
>Have superpowers that give you the ability to perform tasks that an ordinary person cannot.
>Work a dead-end job that doesn't use them in any way.

At least work in construction and use your psychic powers to lift heavy things. Or the fire department so you can rescue people from burning buildings.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 2:53:36 PM No.281215404
>>281194307 (OP)
Isn't the real lesson "don't let a random thot dictate the course of your entire life"?
Literally his entire lofe was ruined by that girl. His self esteem, his view of his own powers, his morals, his life goals, all of them were thrown under the bus because of her.
>was popular with kids because they liked his psychic powers
>he also really enjoyed them and used them all the time to have fun and help people
>weird bitch doesn't give a fuck about them
>immediately drops the focus of his entire life and refuses to use it ever again
>becomes totally withdrawn and socially crippled because he refuses to interact with anyone but her, but she doesn't give a fuck about him and ignores him
She's literally the cause of an entire city being leveled and the world almost being destroyed.
Notice how the end of the entire series when he finally achieves happiness and smiles genuinely for the first time since early childhood is after he finally gives up his obsession with her.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 2:55:00 PM No.281215418
>>281194307 (OP)
Being a big strong guy doesn’t make you inherently more valuable than a sick person. Having a gun doesn’t make you special.

The magic powers in the story aren’t real. They’re a metaphor to reflect on our society and ourselves

>>281206756
Imagine being so fucking butthurt about your family being told to stop oppressing the peasants that you write an OC where it is divinely ordained that you get to oppress the peasants
Replies: >>281215574
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 2:56:03 PM No.281215434
>>281207955
You hate yourself. Stop projecting
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 3:06:56 PM No.281215574
>>281215418
It does if the "gun" is godlike magic powers that let you level towns if you so wish.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 3:54:05 PM No.281216150
>>281194307 (OP)
Opposite works too you know. Why does (insert media here) convey the message you're special?
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 3:54:23 PM No.281216158
>>281213633
What did he mean by this @grok
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 3:58:56 PM No.281216244
>>281206756
Personally I'm amazed that people actually listened to John Galt's speech
You'd have thought the police would storm the studio and gun him down.
Then again, he'd probably have kept talking.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:12:29 PM No.281216452
>>281206756
>”Howard Roark you have a talent for architecture, but that doesn’t make you better than anyone else”
>”Can you create this steel beam? Can you lay concrete? Can you lift the pallets of bricks without a forklift invented by another man?”
>”You aren’t special. Just a cog in a greater machine”
Replies: >>281216518
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:15:51 PM No.281216518
>>281216452
Howard Roark probably CAN do all that, with his bare hands. Or he'll build FUCKING ROBOTS to do all that.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:25:58 PM No.281216685
>>281194307 (OP)
Modesty is valued in collectivist societies
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:28:30 PM No.281216737
>>281213427
>He's a god, he can do all that and just summon it out of nowhere
Did Spongebob teach you nothing?
https://youtu.be/ZSDWhevW-N0?si=PJ6dfzc4ZMtgdHeH
Replies: >>281217868 >>281222552
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:19:20 PM No.281217719
1727168277619484
1727168277619484
md5: ab5c0b6047398e5e87b372b8bb71bf0e🔍
>>281194340
Name several anime that fit your description then, we are taking notes.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:25:11 PM No.281217868
>>281216737
Still relevant a quarter of a century later when ai ""artists"" think they're creating anything of value
Replies: >>281218988
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 6:02:59 PM No.281218976
>>281212058
>Being stronger means you have a duty to use your strength to make the world a better place for everyone
Why should anyone have any duty to anyone other than themselves and those who have directly helped them? What you're spewing is globalist commy garbage.
Replies: >>281219710 >>281219835 >>281219879 >>281220403
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 6:03:29 PM No.281218988
>>281217868
I don't think they think anything anon.
Replies: >>281219632
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 6:06:31 PM No.281219066
Mob is completely fine with using his powers by the ending, are some of you retards?
Replies: >>281219329
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 6:17:33 PM No.281219329
311f94a6-14aa-4829-b893-3ad350e7cbd8
311f94a6-14aa-4829-b893-3ad350e7cbd8
md5: 051713a7b6526c254684b491803a2e4e🔍
>>281219066
Yes, absolutely. What of it, chump?
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 6:28:32 PM No.281219580
>>281194307 (OP)
There is no way that... well, now thank I'm thinking about it, there absolutely would be people so retarded as to reject this message isn't there?

Just consider the following
>Mob has the powers of a god
>Mob isn't a god, he's a dorky kid
>Mob does not want to be a god
>Mob wants to be a kid
>Mob could easily use his powers to force people to like him
>Regen teaches him to not view himself as better
>Mob learns not to view others as lesser
>Regen prevents a malevolent god from being birthed out of Mob

It's not that fucking hard to get. Mob does not want to abuse his powers, even if he could use them to subjugate others and have everything for free, it is not the sort of person he is or want to become.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 6:30:44 PM No.281219632
>>281218988
Dude your country and president are literally in a chokehold by Israel. At least the japs are being cucked by their own people.
Replies: >>281219663
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 6:31:52 PM No.281219663
>>281219632
Oops, that was meant for
>>281198455
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 6:33:34 PM No.281219695
>>281194307 (OP)
To give hope to the supermarket cashier. Chad isn't any better than you, even though he has a wife and kids, a harem of mistresses, and a high paying job. He's no better than you!
Replies: >>281219779
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 6:34:20 PM No.281219710
>>281218976
Spoken like a true urbanite bugman.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 6:35:51 PM No.281219743
>>281206756
Dagney Taggart didn't start Taggart Transcontinental, Francisco D'Anconia didn't build his fortune nor start D'Anconia copper, Hank Reardon didn't start Rearden Steel. All of the main characters in this book are a bunch of silver-spooned faggots that think that because they say things like "Do it faster, dammit!" to their underlings means they're special and are the ones who actually make the world run. It's hilarious when people bring up this book because if you actually read it it undermines everything people says it proves by establishing that only in the most fictional, impossible world with the most improbable circumstances does anything Ayn Rand say make sense.
James Taggart and his government cronies are fun villains in their insane incompetence, though. I do enjoy reading it as a pulp novel every now and then.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 6:36:37 PM No.281219751
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ES8AD1LXQAw-Wg4
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>Wanting to help people weaker than yourself is good actually
>Wanting to earn things through your own merits as a person without shortcuts or cheats is a good thing actually
Wild concepts I know
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 6:37:30 PM No.281219779
>>281219695
Money and status aren't worshiped in the first world like they are in the third world. Look at all the schlock Korea puts out.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 6:39:44 PM No.281219835
>>281218976
Our ancestors lived in tribes for a reason
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 6:40:55 PM No.281219862
>>281219751
>if you're good at something, it's a shortcut and a cheat
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 6:41:26 PM No.281219879
>>281218976
>Why should anyone have any duty to anyone other than themselves
This is the true moral decay in the West that people speak of. Unfettered selfishness and retardation.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 6:42:47 PM No.281219918
>>281219862
It's not about being good at something, it's about being born with something that inherently gives you an advantage and would make you spoiled if you always used it to never have to put effort into anything. Why do you think rich kids are insufferable faggots 99% of the time
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 7:03:03 PM No.281220403
>>281218976
You sound like a faggot boomer
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 7:30:39 PM No.281221140
It's funny seeing Mob Psycho of all shows go past someone's head.
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 7:36:30 PM No.281221283
>>281221140
It doesn't go past their heads, they purposefully mangle the message in their for some retarded reason, probably low self esteem
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 7:54:55 PM No.281221732
>>281200817
You're a fucking moron.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 8:24:12 PM No.281222463
>>281212229
Maybe One’s stupid ass should’ve said that instead then
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 8:27:19 PM No.281222552
>>281216737
you didn't learn anything from the simpsons.
https://youtu.be/wHrgKNJIVkg?si=XBW_Bc_fixZkhH5j
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 8:46:32 PM No.281223080
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>>281194307 (OP)
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:42:10 PM No.281224525
>>281221283
Well that's what it is in the end.