Thread 281209552

Seeing as the storytime threads are caught up to latest and it'll be at least a month until we see the start of the combat phase of the test, it's a good time to make some predictions before the action starts.
Which side will win? Which B-rank squad will job the hardest? Which A-ranker will bail out first? Will Waka be useful in any way?
All than and more is fair game, put your bets in and we'll see who was right 4 years from now when this arc finishes. If we get enough good suggestions we can put some bingo cards together to keep track.

>>281209552 (OP)
Respawn rates being inversely proportional to trion is interesting.
Osamu will be a free point farm, and Chika will be playing on permadeath mode.

>>281209552 (OP)
>Moves like lighting
>Hits like a boulder
How many B-shitters will this cute ball of destruction annihilate?

>>281209995
Konami seems like the worst impulse control on Tamakoma 1, she's the only one I can see falling for stupid custom trion soldier cheese or something like that.

>>281210205
Hyuse will paint a tunnel on his Escudo and trick Konami into running right into it.

I had a dream where Osamu and Izumi were on a squad together, Osamu had to pick a third member, panicked, and picked Yuiga. They were going against Nasu and two others, and Yuiga managed to clutch with Osamu’s plan. All this to say, let Yuiga do something cool once, please.

>Osamu (Captain)
>Taichi
>Yuiga
>Rokuta (Operator)
How fucked is this squad?

>>281211279
That's the first D-rank squad: Dead meat.

>>281211279
>no Jackson
Could be worse.

>>281211701
Nah, Osamu actually takes his shit seriously and could actually help him improve.
Inukai was a godawful "teacher"

>>281209552 (OP)
They'll surely use Katori as a scout so she's first to die.

Nino won

People building strategies on ranged firepower are retards who missed the point. Ranged job is to open opportunities for the melee guys to get kills. Less trion spent per kill=better.

>>281209552 (OP)
Chika will use her side effect to find Amakura and snipe her. Then she will kill both trappers the same way, Fujushima and Creatura.

>>281212391
... Tachikawa's attention in phase 2

Will Torimaru use Geist right away or will he save it for big boys like Kageura?

>>281212474
Toma and Narasaka will snipe her before that can happen

>>281212675
Hyuse and Nino will shield her.

>Kakizaki pulled his weight in phase 2
>no longer considered a weakling
>Teruya no longer interested in him

Combat phase version soon

>>281209552 (OP)
Just reacquainted myself with the given rules of match, at least the verbal ones for now. My observations;
-This is going to be easily the largest map we've ever seen, given how they stress communication limits and issues. It's entirely possible we will be looking at an entire large city's worth of area... or an area large enough for multiple cities and settings. That river in the middle may very well be the kind of valley river that Metropolis-like populations inhabit, like say the equivalent of London.
-Going back to communication, the limitations seem designed to force 'both' sides(this is a war simulation, there's no need for them to state the A Rankers have the same limitation) into isolated pockets that'll have ample difficulty to link up much less coordinate complicated manouevers. That'll probably be the first moments of cheese, finding alternate means of communicating that'll get around the limitations.
-Tower Defense will likely be the name of the game, more so for the B Side, who will likely have a hard time stretching beyond their given terminals. As pointed out, most B Squads tend to play things 'by the book' with only a select few scattered amongst them capable of truly dynamic offense. This won't work out very well initially, as A Side will be much more willing to engage. B Side might have to concede a few terminals on the front for a tighter defense... but that's loser talk.
-As the rules for trigger customization go, I'm not sure how Osamu switches out Bailout without Border noticing prior to the test. I don't even think he'll be hunted that much despite his high score.

Kai will score at least 6 kills

>>281213519
>in the same squad with Kikuchi
Maybe

>>281213461
Additional Observations;
-Going back to map size, I'm led to conclude that the river running through the map is going to be so broad that bridges will have to be used to cross them. On a grander scale than what we've seen. I want to say this will be an amalgamation/mashup of all the map settings we've seen so far... but I think the simulators are going to throw a curve ball and give the sides a 'Neighborly' setting overall.
-That same vibe may very well be why communication issues are going to be so difficult, not just because of the size, but it's also meant to simulate partaking in a battle alongside friendly Neighbor forces, where language barriers(it is NOT a given that Trion-based translation will cover every Neighbor nation out there) would make it so face-to-face talk couldn't be possible.
-A second type of cheese; The rules state that Operators will have a laptop that'll serve as their 'body'. However, Operators are still given triggers despite their actual trion forms being impervious to damage. There was also nothing in the rules that stated that laptops could only be used by operators. You could do a bait and switch between an operator and an agent, giving the agent the laptop to use and having the operator engage. It's a brief misdirection, and probably wouldn't last too long as a viable strategy, but the brief time between engagement and discovering the operator from a complete lack of damage is enough of a window to turn the tide in an engagement.
-There's a distinct problem with the Trion Soldiers. Either someone is controlling them or someone is programming their battle tactics. The rules have gone into NO detail concerning this part. Also no rules stating they can be re-used; once lost, they are scrapped. Unless some means of commanding them is made apparent, these are likely to be early-stage skirmishers running off their own offensive AI.

I feel like this test as a whole is not only for the b-rank but also the actual a-ranker who is going on the away mission.
The first phase the a-ranker having to give merits/demerits double as them having to spot and cover for the weaker link of their team
The combat phase is to trained them for the neighborhood, obviously being outnumber by both the b rank but also trion soldier that's not the standard model since every country in the neighborhood would have very different variant to serve different purpose and combat doctrine.
The same can be said for the b-rank with them having to deal with a-rank customize trigger that's not going to be the standard border trigger, especially tamakoma 1st. The special event obviously going to be jin and amo carrying BT as the wild card and I have this feeling that they are going to be a wild card going against both b-rank and a-rank

Man I love this manga, it get the autistic people going nuts with theory.

>>281213792
I think mizukami and oji gonna be the main one controlling the trion soldier since they are respective shogi/chess master of the B side.

>>281213792
The problem with operators leaving their laptops for battle is that they have no fight experience and no trion for the majority.

I feel like we're going to get more lessons on terrain warfare

>>281209552 (OP)
how does A-rank prevent Chika from just grabbing a couple shield goons and ibis'ing the entire opposing side out in like 5 minutes?

>>281214033
The threads have been great till a point.
After three threads of that, I had to put a filter on to enjoy the storytime.
Having a storytime of a good manga in nu-/a/ might be a bad idea.

>>281214324
By having their own snipers that can instantly counter snipe her if she does that?
Unless literally everyone on B-rank side covers her in the Kitora-style immovable shields stacked on top of each other with all their trion at once (and hence basically commiting mass seppuku that way), there's no way she's not getting countered.
And the map seems to be large enough that Chika wouldn't be able to meaningfully bomb out a significant enough portion of it fast enough for it to prevent A-rank from getting her and shields can't stop A-rank level melee attackers whatsoever.

>>281209552 (OP)
can't wait to see what else scorpion can do

>>281210205
Konami with sogetsu out & Konami are two different people.

>>281214378
It's time for the elite Jin to show B scrubs how he uses Scorpion

>>281214324
The thing here is that any a rank sniper worth their salt could do what azuma did and snipe the ibis missile from afar, I bet Toma and Narasaka could do it easily enough.

>>281211279
>Osamu + Yuiga
Actually a decent combo, Yuiga might have low mobility now be he likes to go on high places, he would get accustomed to wire mobility pretty fast. They are also friends so its another bonus.
>Taichi
Isn't the greatest sniper but he does his job, he was able to spot & indemnify people under the rainstorm and even chose a good timing to shoot at Nasu. The main issue would be the absolute state of the strategy room or Yuiga killing him
>Rokuta
This kills the Four Eyes. Osamu relies on his operator to map out the wire zones and enemy movement prediction so he can preempt their positions and create a wire trap in their future path.
Rokuta can't do it. Depending on her absolute state this team could be completely dysfunctional even if Tachi eats an Arafune's textbook and becomes the gigachad.

>>281214580
Zoe reaction says otherwise. Zoe was a-rank #6 and he didn't know this was possible

>>281214580
aren't sniper rifle shots (even just ibis) drastically faster than shooter cube fragments?

>>281213519
>>281213539
Friendly fire doesn't count.

Well, honestly speaking, Kodera's squad is not in a bad spot
Rokuta is a liability but her load is not that heavy considering Kitora will surely babysit her

>>281209552 (OP)
Talk to me next year

>>281214812
lmao no.
Operator is responsible for all visual info trion bodies get. Those bullet interception things Inukai saw and enemy warnings, sniper sight lines, even proper radar guidance. This is not even half of the shit operators do and they have to do it differently for each combatant under their control and rapidly change it depending on the situation.
Operator is the single most valuable trigger any agent has.
Ai is an Ace and I doubt she could take over Rokuta's terminal and become an operator instead. Even then they would be missing one combatant from the start and that combatant would be their ace.
>Yuta/Okudera/Kodera
nice team you got there, what is the name? bailout in 3 2 1 ? mommy don't hurt us? run and pray?
Kodera is fucked. Giga fucked. We know that one needs to be at least an above average operator to support a 4 member squad effectively and that their performance still tanks in this scenario, leaving more windows of opportunity for others to exploit.
Rokuta ins't above average. Rokuta is Rokuta. Doomed from the start.

>>281214930
>Kodera
He is an A-rank sniper though

>>281214979
Yeah and who is he up against? if they were against b-ranks, sure no questions they can perform well but under current conditions? lol lmao even

>>281209552 (OP)
Chapter when

>>281215081
Don't forget your prayers

>>281215081
next month dude

I don't think it will happen, because the only person on Ninomiya squad that would think of it is Azuma and he doesn't spoonfeed. But they could massively tip the scales in their side's favor simply with smart trion soldier usage.
I was thinking about how the two sides could counter one another's options. And then I realized that the A ranks' anti air options are substantially weaker than the B ranks'. None of the trion soldiers they have available are made for it. And the only person they have who is equipped for that is Izumi.
If Chika and Ninomiya just fly way up high on defensive trion soldier gun platforms with good armor and shielding capabilities, they will be all but immortal. Egrets won't do shit to decent armor and ibis at that range should be trivial to shield. And even trying will get the sniper bombed. The only trion soldier threat would be ilgar ramming. We don't know exactly how much it takes to kill one, but Nino and Chika can probably do it if no one else brought anti air trion soldiers. Grasshoppering up is a no go since you can't full guard while doing that so Nino shreds. They really just have to win the shootout with Izumi, which is in their favor both in terms of trion and him being more vulnerable to snipers while it's going down.
At that point it's just a matter of having a strike force under their shadow (definitely with Hyuse) marching from terminal to terminal attacking with bomb support. Send Utagawa and maybe Oji squads to threaten undefended terminals so the A ranks can't mass up. And leave a few like Murakami and Kodera squads behind as defenders to slow down the A ranks if they try turning it into a race.

>>281214979
is he?
Shohei Kodera the a-rank sniper from a-rank #7 team
Trion 6
Attack 6
Defense 7
Mobility 4
Skill 9
Range 8
Command 6
Special Tactics 1
Total 47
Yoshito Hanazaki from downtown mid-tier-b-rank
Trion 5
Attack 6
Defense 8
Mobility 4
Skill 11
Range 11
Command 1
Special Tactics 5
Total 51

>>281215151
His command stat will make all the difference
trust the plan

>>281215126
>And then I realized that the A ranks' anti air options are substantially weaker than the B ranks'. None of the trion soldiers they have available are made for it. And the only person they have who is equipped for that is Izumi.
Reiji alone replaces 15 gunners. He has the only minigun in the whole border and can be on anti-air duty the whole time no questions asked.
Tachikawa managed to jump high enough to sneku a flying bomb and shooter bullets are not instant they can be intercepted.
Toma, Narasaka, Izumi, Kako are also there and while it might be hard to make Toma shoot bullets Narasaka would do it.

>>281215151
Hanzaki's stats are kind of inflated by his special tactics being high from being on an all sniper squad (not relevant here) and his skill and range being high from being the second longest ranged sniper in all of border (useful, but situational).
We haven't seen much of Kodera and what we have seen hasn't been super impressive. But I doubt he would have wound up on an A rank squad if he was a shitter. He's not Yuiga.

>>281215184
Rokuta is like -15 to command though

>>281215239
No he is not a shitter but he is an average a-ranker without anything special to him and his squad features a Kitora, two units of fodder and a half sentient potato is their operator.
I just don't see them performing well no matter what plan he comes up with. Tools too shit enemy too strong.

Katagiri squad's loadouts for those interested
>Yukimura has customized DOUBLE Thruster

>>281215299
>2 dummy beacons
disgusting

>>281215227
Nino and Chika can bomb with hounds. They're not shooting that down even if everyone groups up. And if everyone does group up it's GG anyway as all the terminals get raided.

>>281215314
It's Azuma squad gen 2, they learned from the best. Well some of them, I think Amakura and Momozono are just before or after becoming independent from Azuma.

>>281215299
I wonder what the spider is for. I doubt he uses it like Katori since he's a gunner. And if he used it like Osamu for Yukimaru to do monkey things you'd think someone would have pointed it out by now.

>>281215334
Nino is mostly irrelevant for this. If Chika has two cubes and does the max split then it should be impossible to intercept the full barrage even if every person in a-rank shoots up unless both geist & full arms are on, we are talking about a thousand of bullets per volley.
Since those triggers kill their users once activated a-ranks have about 5 minutes to kill Chika before its game over. The main issue would be replacing Chika's lead bullet & lightning with second hound & meteor, Chika's ability to do max splits and the accessibility of the map.
If Chika comes with her usual loadout she only has one cube and that is not enough bullets to completly overwhelm, if It takes Chika a full minute per volley its not good enough to spam and they would be able to move from cover to cover and if it is a complicated arena with a lot of cover Chika's hounds are effectively neutered from the start.

I'm very glad that this recent storytime has brought in powerscalers. It's just what WT threads were lacking.

Reiji still has 1 free slot in his loadout btw

>>281215492
Chika should definitely bring two hounds regardless of what strategy they employ. She also seems to be able to split cubes just fine, so I don't think that would be an issue.
With the aerial bombardment strategy, I don't even think sacrificing T-2 with geist and full arms would kill. They both use gunner triggers and there's no way they set their shots to max range. So they could simply float up out of range.

>>281215597
The largest split Chika did was 64 shots and that is nowhere close to the number we need to poop on a-ranks. With double cubes It would be a pathetic 128 bombs per two cubes, each bomb 4 times bigger than Izumi whole cube. She needs 500~ per cube for the right effect and the 64 split took her a second to do.
Chika is not going to equip double hound or meteor unless she is told to. Not in character.
>With the aerial bombardment strategy, I don't even think sacrificing T-2 with geist and full arms would kill. They both use gunner triggers and there's no way they set their shots to max range
Gunner triggers passively have more range than shooter cube's max range. 10% or 20% more. Gunners have more range than shooters bozo.

>>281214580
We've never seen anyone intercept an ibis shot. It's always been meteors and salamanders.
I don't doubt that it's theoretically possible. But I suspect it may require Hatohara levels of skill to pull off with any degree of consistency.

>>281215227
>managed to jump high enough
He jumped from top of the base, not from ground

>>281215552
Can scorpion kill Goku?

>>281215662
Reiji can throw him

Will Jin use his normal loadout or Fujin in phase 2?

>>281215738
depends on how hard they want to fuck the b-ranks. there is a chance they give him Fujin if they want an all out massacre.

>>281215642
I think 128 super hounds would be sufficient. As I said here >>281215334 if they group everyone up to try and shoot that down, then that just means they've left their terminals exposed. That's still in the B ranks' favor.
As for gunners, what I'm talking about with them is the fixed parameters of their guns. They can't change them on the fly. Whatever range they set them at, they're stuck with it. And I find it highly unlikely that any of them have set up their guns for super long range. They'd just use a sniper trigger like Katagiri.
>Chika is not going to equip double hound or meteor unless she is told to. Not in character.
I agree. But unlike this aerial bomber strategy, which I think they are unlikely to actually employ, I think it's more likely than not that Nino uses this as an opportunity to reinforce her shooting people resolution by getting her to switch loadouts.

>>281215738
Fujin doesn't have bailout. So definitely normal.

>>281215766
Average rifle has better range than cube by default, the only exceptions would be handguns, shotguns and special modifications so its safe to assume they will always have better range than shooters at least when it comes to pure interception.
128 is absolutely not enough, solo Inukai was able to remove most of 64 shots and they have more than 2 gunners there + Reiji with his minigun + Kako + Izumi. Nope.
The positioning for interception matters but they don't need to group, just 2-3 guys with right guns on anti-air duty sitting in high places, naturally they would make good targets for Ema & Azuma but they would expect it. Still it would be a huge benefit as it effectively removes 2-3 combatants.
>Nino actually does a captain
I'd love it honestly. I want Chicken of doom to poop on a-ranks so bad it unreal but just a few things out of alignment and she won't get a chance to.

These chads will claim Suwa and Four-Eyes in the combat phase
Say somethng nice about them

>>281216026
They will try to destroy Kodera's squad. Their captain used to be a combat agent until a trionlet Kitora beat the crap out of her.

>>281216026
Shun is also from this team. Satomi is rank 1 gunner and they have a run & gun sniper. They are fast and hit hard. Wouldn't surprise me if they wipe out Suwa's 7 at least once.
On that note Saki was Suwa's pet so he should expect it... though it might not help them in any way.

>>281209552 (OP)
I really really hope that the A Ranks win. Otherwise they will just seem like overhyped jobbers.
I want this match to have the B Ranks face impossible odds, get some small wins along the way, but ultimately lose completely to all kinds of bullshit.
I especially want Jin to hold nothing back. Really have him fuck up whatever strats the B Ranks cook.

If the B Ranks teams end up winning, then to me it just won’t be satisfying. This test should be a sort of Kobayashi Maru mission where B ranks should learn how to face failure.

>>281213461
>As pointed out, most B Squads tend to play things 'by the book' with only a select few scattered amongst them capable of truly dynamic offense.
Imagine if Kakizaki of all people goes on offensive

>>281215865
>Average rifle has better range than cube by default
But cubes can be set to long ranges while guns can't unless that's all they do. Nino and Chika have both used their cubes for long range bombardments that would pretty clearly be outside the range that non-sniper triggers are set for.
>solo Inukai
Those were meteors. And If I remember correctly, the largest wave was actually 27.
>just 2-3 guys with right guns on anti-air duty sitting in high places
Gunners don't have this kind of range. Even on a normal map, they wouldn't be able to cover against a bombardment like this. And this map is definitely going to be way bigger. Snipers with lightnings would be the only kind of OK option (still not enough) but the A ranks are conspicuously lacking lightnings. Uno and Narasaka are the only two that use one.

>>281216230
Guns have better range than cubes by default.

>>281216129
I don't think the B ranks are as fucked as most people do, but I'm still 80% sure the A ranks will win.
If the sides were allowed to strategize together beforehand it would shift things in the B ranks' favor due to the possibilities afforded to them by custom trion soldiers. But they can't so they're going to have to strategize in the dark and several of the squads are going to deploy lame, underperforming generalist soldiers.
There's also the issue of feeding. Kodera, Mizukami, Murakami, Kuruma, and Kitazoe squads all feel like they're going to be giving away more points than they earn. At least in the absence of a unified strategy. Meanwhile, none of the A rank squads are going to be weak or dysfunctional.

>>281216523
>Kitazoe squads
This fat fuck's squad has 2 A-rankers like Kakizaki's squad
They will be fine

>>281216549
Zoe has so far been a weak, passive captain. And it doesn't appear as though Kikuchi and Kai have been using the sealed environment phase to resolve their differences like Kage and Inukai. I think their teamwork will be shit.

>>281216230
Gun trigger augments range by itself and that augmentation is significant so unless the gun was modified to have more power at the cost of range gunners will always have more range than shooters. And yes they do have enough range to do it. One gunner would be able to effectively defend a major area as long as he chooses a good position.
>Those were meteors
Yeah this is also something I was mulling over, what if hounds just cannot be effectively intercepted? but than again its Chika her bullets are bigger than heads. if meteors can be shot, nothing should be stopping them from shooting down hounds.
>And If I remember correctly, the largest wave was actually 27.
Made me check and I was right, here she is firing a 4 by 4 by 4 which is exactly 64 shots

>>281213539
>>281213519
Kikuchi yelling at Kai to do shit according to plan could be hilarious.
>>281214338
Shitposters get bored and leave, this high IQ manga really turns them off at some point.
>>281211279
Taichi will ride his tron soldiers and charge into battle like pic related, it will be his coolest moment in the manga for now.

>>281216642
shut your trap Maki. Zoe was fine, he took his time but he made decisions and delegated properly. When Kikuchi was overloading him with Info he used Somei to analyze for him and when Kikuchi was being too eager he just took the fire himself. Maybe not the best of the best but good enough.

>>281213792
>throw a curve ball and give the sides a 'Neighborly' setting overall.
Agreed. Just like how you mentioned London, this huge map may resemble European cities with both high-density buildings and then some low-density areas with forests and nature. Throw in a bunch of fantasy designs, and they will look like neighbor nations.

I suspect a close fought loss for B ranks. I can't see them beating a Jin who's actually trying.

We'll probably get a fight between Tachikawa and Ninomiya or Yuba. Ninomiya with Chika support should win every time, so maybe we'll get a Yuba with Kuruma support to keep it tense.

Oji squad will pull some bullshit. Ikoma with a strategist telling him what to do will be a menace, and Oji's trion soldiers will win him a fight against, oh let's say, Miwa.

>>281216329
>>281216687
Gunners cannot change their range. A gunner will set up his bullets for normal fighting ranges, because otherwise he'd be sacrificing speed and power just to shoot at ranges that normally don't matter. But then a shooter can set their bullets with even greater range because for them it isn't a committment, they can fight at short and long range with the same trigger. And the shooter doesn't even have to necessarily sacrifice speed or power since they can also break up their cube less to give each shot more trion to work with. We've seen this exact thing happen multiple times including in the Inukai vs Chika example. She's bombarding a position even further beyond him but he can't possibly hit her.
Which is also why gunners can't intercept over a large area. Inukai is only able to intercept those shots because they're aimed directly behind him. He's not pulling off Azuma's lightning stuff from across the map. And even Azuma isn't pulling that off on a map big enough for all these squads and terminals.

>>281216947
>Miwa
With Rindou there filling in Kodera's place? Hell no

>>281214378
Cronin may come up with something insane. But I'm most excited about Raygust, because Yukimaru and Raizo are both using it and they are the top dogs with it.

>>281216996
>scorpion bullshit
>viper bullshit
>from the same person
Him, Jin, and Rindo are the ones that I don't see the B ranks having much of an answer for.

>>281214580
You probably can't snipe normal bullets. Meteor is special, it explodes when triggered. Normal bullets just hit stuff.

We've not seen anyone even try to shoot down normal bullets, when you'd think skilled Shooters could pull it off.

>>281216981
They don't need to, their baseline range is bigger than shooter's max by about 20% this is how the gunner trigger works, they don't need to sacrifice anything for it, what they do instead is sacrifice that extra range for power and it is a popular approach.
Even then range is entirely irrelevant for the purposes of interception.
Gunners can effectively intercept for the entire map the moment they know where Chika is. Bullets use ballistic trajectory since she doesn't use viper. Unless they equip Nino with swtichbox and set up teleporter traps to move Chika all over map once a-ranks know where the bullets come from, they can setup up a defense from that area and completely shut her down.

>>281217144
we haven't seen a single shooter vs shooter match.

>>281216981
Inukai also had hound cubes for the interception, not just his gun.

>>281217174
Izumi will come for Nino's ass
Tachikawa already marked him

>>281217174
Inukai vs Chika was a half shooter match because Chika was shooting her Hounds while Inukai was intercepting them with his gun and his own Hounds.
Of course, the two of them are shitty as shooters so it shouldn't count as one.

>>281217349
Meteors, Chika was shooting Meteors

>>281217155
>than shooter's max
>Gunners can effectively intercept for the entire map
No. That's not how this works. All trion bullets have to divide up their trion between range, power, and speed. A bullet set to have enough range to cover an entire map will have to sacrifice power and speed. This is true for both gunners and shooters. It's even true for snipers; egret has less power than ibis and less speed than lightning.
The 20% advantage for gunners is that, at a given amount of trion allocated to range, gunners will get 20% more range out of it than shooters. It's functionally just greater trion efficiency in general, since that savings in range frees up trion budget elsewhere.
But on the other hand, gunners have fixed parameters on their bullets. They cannot change how much trion they are putting towards range in the middle of a fight. This means they have to set their bullets based on the range they plan to be fighting at. At closer ranges than this they'll be wasting trion on range. And at farther ranges they just simply won't be able to do anything (see Yuba).
Shooters don't have this issue. They can adjust the parameters of their bullets with every shot.
At the same trion, cube division, and range allocation a gunner will have greater range. But a shooter can compensate by allocating more trion to range and/or dividing the cube less so all parameters have more trion to work with. And a gunner can't adjust their bullets to keep up.

Osamu should drop shield
His trion is so weak that the shields did almost nothing
Use that trion for Meteor so he can do the Meteor-Spider combo

>>281214324
Something tells me it's gonna be Rindo and other seniors who deal with Chika

>>281215299
these guys sounds absolutely disgusting to play against

My schizo theory:
Nino teaches Chika about composite bullets. She unleashes hell on the map.

>>281217814
The gun.
The gun itself.
The ting bullets fly from.
That is what increases the range by 20%.
Not trion, not bullet, not anything. The gun. The weapon

>>281217949
They have one free point (the spotter girl) though

I have a bad feeling the Trion Soldier free-form creation and bizarre operator damage immunity rule is specifically set up for Osamu to shine. The super As are going to fucking body half the team in the first few minutes and put them into a sense of despair, and Osamu is going to pull out the win anyway. Because the positive side of getting fucking wrekt immediately is that loads of fresh forces can come back into play early into match which will have a compounding impact on the other side’s stamina and Trion, and they’re going to start taking huge point losses towards the end of the match.

Basically it SEEMS like it’s stacked as fuck against one side, but in reality it’s not, just a different mindset is required. The supers will have tricks up their sleeve of course, and this is where Osamu will come in clutch, just watch.

>>281218156
Basically it SEEMS like it’s stacked as fuck against one side
because it really is. Have you forgotten the Jin's usual pose? it is resting on a mountain, literal mountain of destroyed trion soldiers.
Rindo or Jin > the entire trion soldier army b-ranks will make.

>>281218113
>Enhanced radar means she can see you coming
>Bag worm and double dummy beacons would mean finding her is annoying
>Teleporter in case she's got caugth out of position

Dunno, she seems very slipery. Also no gun? Why was hatorara such a problem when we get this agent runing around?

>>281218286
because her role ins't a combatant. If Hatohara was an operator no one would say a thing.

>>281218327
They totaly would tho, Hatohara was not considered even as an honorary support

Honestly we will get a better ideia after seeing Katagiri squad in action.

>>281218065
That doesn't contradict anything I just said.
Look at that pic. If a gunner and shooter shoot that same 30/30/40 bullet, the gunner's will go farther. But he's stuck with that. Meanwhile the shooter can switch to a 20/50/30 bullet and outrange him. And that's not even getting to cube division.
The reason Yuba is able to get so much power out of his shots is not just because he sacrificed range. In shooter terms, he is breaking up his cube less so each shot has more trion to work with.
Most gunners use guns with relatively high rates of fire with small bullets; they're breaking up their cube a lot. Shooters tend to do that too during fire fights. But they don't have to. They can do a Kurauchi and launch a whole cube that can outrange even a bullet with a higher percentage allocated to range simply by having so much more trion to work with.

>>281218273
Look. The free-form Soldier maker is going to be key. I know it seems goofy that some teenager on Medeen is going to designs superior / better gimmick than the engineers who develop and build these things going on, what, centuries or longer of institutional experience and research. But this is a shounen manga, it will absolutely happen and everyone will be shocked.

>Osamu actually got more handsome over 3 months
what the fuck

>>281218618
Reiji made him start exercising.

>>281218618
puberty + regular exercise thanks to Reiji, biologically Osamu is 15

>>281218618
The aforementioned reasons in the previous two replies, and also subtle art evolution.

>>281215299
jetpack

I wonder if the rabit A rankers have actually come with at least some of the bells and whistles like the afto trigger effects. Paying almost half your allotment for one and it doesn't even have the cubing module would suck.

I demand Canadian gangbang like round 8

>>281218286
Firstly, Katakuri squad has never been on an away mission (that we know of).

Secondly, she's useful. She's got a trigger set designed to guide other agents, distract enemies and get out of trouble. Hatohara had a trigger set designed for shooting people. Basically, Asumi would be useful against Hyuse with Lamprys, Hatohara would be totally useless.

>>281218937
I hope they can cube. That would be a great way of fucking with the B ranks, ruining their plans, and putting extra pressure on them. And they are going to aftokrator. So it would be good practice.

>>281218937
Izumi is getting full Iglars and launching them at Nino, Tachikawa rides one of them in stealth mode.

>>281219018
We never saw whether or not Hyuse showed up on radar when he cloaked himself. And he only used it in the dark indoor area anyway. And did anyone from Aftokrator ever check the enemy trion signatures other than them detecting Chika? I don't see how a spotter would be useful against any of them. Or even their trion soldiers.
Her dummy beacons would be somewhat useful against Galopoula since they did make liberal use of radar. But non-spotters can and do use dummy beacons, so there's no need for someone specializing in the alone.
Spotter definitely feels like the sort of thing that's designed for rank wars but would be of dubious utility on an away mission.

>>281219283
she has a teleporter and enhanced radar, she can jump in, gather info and run away all while staying under bagworm. basically she is a proper full time scout

Basically, this time around anyone who can provide great utility to the Expedition can get in.

>>281219348
What info? So far, neighbors have only been sneaky in ways that a spotter wouldn't catch. Enedora caught HQ by surprise not because he didn't show up on regular radar, but because they didn't know to look. Same with Galopoula hiding as Idras. They were on camera and their trion signatures were there in the open. But only Amo would be able to tell something was up.

>>281218469
That mission had limited slots since Chika wasn't there yet to fuel the ship and it's not like Katagiri squad was chosen
>Hatohara could have a change to go on away mission if she just waited a few months

>>281219283
We don't know what Enhanced Radar is, so it's probably not for piercing Bagworm. Normal radar is pretty vague (people keep talking about how hard it is to snipe using radar, Arashiyama asks for higher resolution on his radar to see how people are moving, etc). Enhanced radar might just be high res radar that's good enough to shoot by.

Yeah, Aftokrator don't seem to use radar much, but as you say Galopoula do. Dummy beacon would be useful at least some of the time.

DATABOOK DUMP WHEN?
>>281215299
>gunner with egret
This guy gets it, sometimes you just to pull out a quickscope when they least expect it, though, i would have put it in the Sub Trigger.

>>281219994
You missed it

>>281215314
Total (enemy) operator rape

>>281219994
Katagiri probably wants to keep using Dummy Beacon on his sub (and probably Spider)

>>281216523
I think B ranks have a chance as long as Jin is half assing it. If he actually tries, B ranks should not have a fighting chance here.

>>281220117
Awn dammit

>>281218113
You mean a survival point denier? Katagiri squad seems like really they took Azuma's tactics to heart and became pure rank wars cancer.

Crack theory: Amo joins the away mission. He's been teased for so long, Border don't like using him on earth because he looks spooky, and they know they'll have to face Black Triggers to get the C rankers back.

>>281219994
Iko squad is such a fun thing to see, they probably never get bored.

>>281220273
My own crack theory is that Amo will be dropped in halfway through the away test combat phase as a survival event

>>281219994
Here
>>281173528

>>281220273
>>281220273
>Jin and Amo enter the field

>>281219925
I should elaborate slightly. If Enhanced Radar pierced Bagworm, everyone would use it. Every single match someone worries about hidden snipers or hidden Yuma or hidden Mikumo. Every single border agent has Bagworm in their trigger set, it's such a staple I can't believe there's an easy way past it.

>>281219575
because that was a defense scenario, when you are attacking a person who can sneak around and get basic visual info, locations, numbers, shit like this is very valuable.

>>281220488
Any mobile person with bagworm can do that. If I want scouts I'm bringing people like Yuma and Oji.

>>281220273
Amo needs to stay. Border only have 3 BT and they are sending 1 already.
Having BT on defense duty is way more important and you can use Amo to clean an army of Trion Soldiers by himself.

>>281220563
The thing is that they are far more valuable placing somewhere else instead of just scouting, Yuma or Oki could be on hit and run assassination of high value target with both being harder to kill in their own way. While someone like a spotter could get in surveil the entire battlefield while not engaging the enemy.
If we look at scout unit in the real world, there are light reconnaissance vehicle with 0 combat and defensive capability but with instead enhanced surveillance equipment.

>>281218065
There's nothing stopping shooters to go meele with 1 range and full power/speed.

>>281221517
Only personal comfort levels with the tactic. Which, incidentally, seems like one of the secondary test parameters. Along the lines of Operators in actual front line combat.

>>281221517
I bet Konami can do that with her meteors.

>>281221517
I'm sad we'll never see a super mobile shooter strafing people with hound volleys, parrying kogetsus with grasshopper pads, and blasting people with 8 cube max power asteroids.

>>281221517
You'd really need to be an all-rounder to be comfortable enough in melee to make use of shooter triggers.

>>281221752
>Go close range.
>Divide Hound into two full-power bullets.
>???
>Proft

>>281221517
Basically what Yuba and Sawa does

>>281221817
I know, the thing is that a shooter doesn't have to sacrifice his range for that since he can adjust those on the fly.

>>281221752
>Asteroid/Asteroid
>Shield/Shield
>Grasshopper/Hound
>Meteor/Bagworm
This build?
Attacking with Asteroid or Hound while shielding with Grasshopper (cqc) or Shield (mid range).
Getting into position with Bagworm + Grasshopper.
Using Gimelt or Salamander when you have someone to protect you.

>>281221894
Switch one of the asteroids out for Raygust for cqc defense.

>>281221894
Raygust/Asteroid
Thruster/Hound
Shield/Shield
Grasshopper/Bagworm

I don't think you'd need hornet or gimlet here, since you're already ready to adjust full power asteroid.

>>281221954
>>281221962
What that anon wanted was to parry things with Grasshopper so Raygust doesn't look necessary.

>>281221894
Yes. Alternatively drop the sub asteroid for another grasshopper. Yuma uses two so that he can still grasshopper even if his main is in use. I don't think that would be as relevant for a shooter, but it might come in handy sometimes.

>>281221517
Well, there's speed. Shooters need to summon cube, split, aim and fire. Even if you don't split, you need to do the other steps.

We see Ninomiya firing off Asteroid so fast we don't even see him summon the cube, so a really skilled Shooter could manage a quickdraw close range style.

>>281222024
>Grasshopper (cqc)
Explain

>>281222124
Grasshopper can repel physical things like Kougetsu, but not non-physical trion things like trion bullets.

>>281222155
Interesting.
So yeah, maybe that build would be better.

>>281221517
reflexes, this is an attacker tactic. Oji should be capable of pulling it off and maybe Izumi since he is Izumi but that is about it

someone explain one thing to me... when enedora entered the base and got stuck in that virtual room... why didn't his regular attacks destroy the room? he brought in his real BT and fired off real attacks yet still failed to damage the room's walls. how was that possible? and before someone says the room simulated his attacks, his BT isn't something the room had been programmed for, nor could the room co-opt his trigger and switch it out for virtual trion. the guy literally brought a real weapon into a holodeck but still failed to damage the basic walls.

>>281222066
>Asteroid/Hound
>Shield/Shield
>Grasshopper/Grasshopper
>Meteor/Bagworm
Something like this?
It will lack some firepower at midrange due to the lack of Gimlet so it will be better as a full cqc shooter.

>>281222090
He does the same thing to Yuba. Presumably it's a technique he developed to deal with Tachikawa and other highly mobile attackers.

>>281222320
Almost no one uses Gimlet (in B rank) anyway so it's not a substantial loss compared to the vast majority of other shooters.

>>281220338
Yeah I wonder if they might do that too, or have some other kind of black trigger up for grabs as a special objective that could turn the tide of the battle. Like when enough team members have died, to handicap the side that's winning.

>>281222317
From the context, you are inside the virtual world once the room activates so all his attacks were simulated by analyzing his BT.
The fact that it can be analyzed instantly is quite stupid in my opinion.

>>281222350
I hate the fact that Nino is so skilled.
Being skilled should be Izumi thing and Nino should be brute-forcing it.

>>281221752
>>281221894
Never say never. Remember the lower B-ranks and a few A-ranks are going to be defending Border when the bulk of the organization goes to the neighborhood. Ashihara is expanding the cast even more.

>>281222400
well he did beg Izumi to teach him, so it would make sense that he is good

>>281222320
Exactly that, yes. It would lack gimlet. Or even just full attacking with two asteroids, which seems to be more common. But it is still able to full attack with hound and asteroid.
It would really just come down to how often having the extra grasshopper helps. If it isn't that frequent of an issue, then the firepower from the extra asteroid would be more important.

>>281222379
So... what happened to his real trion and real BT? How did the virtual system tell his real trion to stand down and use the fake trion instead?? Ain't no way his alien trigger would sync so well.

And if he had been taken down successfully while the virtual room was active, would he too resurrect immediately? The more I dwell on it the less it makes sense.

>>281222317
>>281222379
The training room is basically magic. Its like something out of SMT, or pokemon, where computers are virtual worlds.

>>281222497
I think that fighting style would be hard to pull off. Too hard for lower B ranks. And we know what everyone else uses and none of them are that. So the closest we'd get is a neighbor using something similar.

>>281222703
Lamvanein felt kinda like this with Chelidon. He was a super-high mobility combatant with a shit ton of different bullet types that at any given point felt like combinations of Border's shooter triggers (viper, hound, asteroid, meteor, etc).

>>281222350
Anyone got the Season 2 clip of this scene?

>>281222840
He only lacked the ability to parry melee triggers which is the hypothteical unrealistic build using Shooting triggers and Grasshoppers (which can parry Kougetsu).
However, if one is good enough to parry using Grasshopper, they may as well go double Scorpion and attack in CQC because is stronger than any shooting trigger.

Glad to see the payoff from this page.

>>281222350
>>281222090
And vs Yuba.

Honestly, I'm surprised no-one has ever commented on it in world. Maybe they all know about it so it's not worth mentioning.

>>281222350
>>281223157
>six shots
In one of the Q&As Ashihara said something about dividing into things other than cubes, like Ninomiya's pyramids, being harder. So he's not only quickdrawing with shooter cubes, he's doing it while showing off with his cube dividing skills.

>>281223128
What are the odds Osamu takes out Kazama during the exam?

>>281223324
Pretty low. But he might learn something from Raizo while getting beaten by them.

>>281223324
>We win, part 2.

>>281222927
Full power, melee range asteroids should be pretty powerful. Yuba's tear through everyone's shields but Hyuse's and Nino's and he gives himself 22 meters. And unlike Yuba or an attacker, a shooter like this could also back off and shoot from a more typical range.
Where Yuba is a gunner that fights like an attacker, this would be a shooter that fights like an all rounder.

>>281223495
I think Osamu has a chance, but he is going to get downed 3 times.

>>281209552 (OP)
Honest prediction, most of the fights will be skipped like the battle simulations. There's no way Ashihara is having a full on 95 man brawl. It'd last twenty volumes and we'd all be dead by the time it's done.

>>281224154
>we need six more covers to complete the newer teams
Oh anon.

>>281224154
>we'd all be dead.
No, Ashihara's neck will die before me.

>>281224154
There will be a mix of uncompetetive, possibly even off screened wipes along with the real fights. But I think we'll see most of them. There can only be so many deaths before it's over due to points and terminals are going to be eating into that total too.

>>281224517
We got primed for this when they did splash panels of most rounds during phase 1. We'll get the same around the map when we have the primary focus on a select 'squad'(I dunno what it's gonna look like when things inevitably mix into a solid spaghetti ball of tangled plotlines).

In the 36 hours battle, Osamu low trion has a huge disadvantage. While trion body repair takes less time for trionlets, the trion recovery rate is the same. This means that Osamu will have to be extremely conservative to last the full 36 hours of battle, he may even need to get bailed out on purpose in order to recover trion.

>>281225053
Did you read the last chapter

>>281225053
He has a bare maximum of eleven times he can be killed off. That nets the A Siders 4950 points altogether.

Also, while the recovery rate(outside of the battle sim) is universally the same, doesn't it still benefit trionlets who have less overall capacity and therefore less needed energy to recharge?

>>281225121
I know they can't bail out on command. Osamu needs to give points to the A-rank teams if he wants to recover his trion.

>>281225053
He only survived two rank wars matches. There's no way he lasts the full 36 hours.

>>281225212
Not really.
The speed to repair a trion body is not the same as recovering your trion. Osamu needed a full night of rest to recover his 2 trion.
Chika spent way more trion than Osamu's entire capacity when she was doing her sniping training with Reiji and she fully recovers after one night of good sleep.

>>281225212
They can kill him 41 times. It's the A rank evaluation points, not the captain evaluation.

>>281225219
He'd have to contribute in a non-Trion way- assuming of course that the trion levels don't go all the way down to zero so he can stay on the map- such as commanding the Trion Soldiers directly, or even more likely, finding hidden benefits in the most likely alien terrain of the Battle sim. Point being, Osamu's not going to distinguish himself in any capacity here via normal means. Even his Spider Traps are going to have a Catch-22 now.

>>281225288
But thanks to Suwa and Hatori, Osamu's worth 450 points. Nobody comes close to that amount, I don't think.

>>281225414
The captain's evaluation point doesn't matter here. The only thing that gives points for the battle part are the A-rank evaluation points.

>>281225452
Which were done by the Captains in those squads.

>>281225212
>4950
?
11 kills on Osamu only feeds 1331 points, he is worth 121 not 450

>>281225479
my guy captain eval points are not a-rank points, those are separate things

>>281221845
But the execution time is nowhere close to Yuba's quckdraw

>>281225479
I think you misunderstood the entire thing about the points.
The first phase of the exam depends on 3 points:
1) Points earned from the assigment and battle simulations.
2) Points earned from A-rank evaluation.
3) Points earned from the captain's evaluation.

>>281225567
>>281225538
>>281225482
>>281225452
Well, I just found those A-Class Evaluations in 252. Well then. I wonder what the Cap-Eval points will be used for, if it's anything more than a red herring.

>>281225723
From the implication, the captain evaluation points directly affects your score for the away mission.
Phase 1: Your score depends on how much you contributed to your squad points from the management point of view.
Phase 2: Your score depends on how much you contributed to winning against the A-ranks from the management point of view.
Captain evaluation: Extra padding to your score.

>>281225798
Officially, yes.

Do you think it has a hidden value in Phase 2?

>>281225842
No, captain evaluation shouldn't have any value in phase 2.

>>281225723
Captain evaluation points feels like a tool to evaluate captains ability & judgement first and foremost.

>>281225887
Again, officially. But we're assuming Border(and Ashihara) are still going to play this direct, with the rules clearly put in place before you like a good training sim.

But the problem is, this expedition... it's not a sim. Take it out of the context of a world created by an author and it should be infinitely more complex and deviant than any sim engineers could think up. And it could very well turn into war. In fact, Phase 2 looks much more like outright war. And war is NEVER predictable. And that means variables you've yet to see and have to discover in the heat of battle.

Leading to the Captain's Evaluation. Sure, Suwa and Hatori ultimately decided Osamu gets 450 points, but in truth they might as well have given him zero by Suwa outright admitting it's meant to get him onto the Away Team. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's going to have no bearing at all. That's why I'm thinking it's going to show up here in a way that most won't understand for a good while into Phase 2. Maybe something to do with actual Trion repair outside the sim, or the rate of Trion entropy within the sim, or something similarly outlandish that would be going entirely against the rules established by Ashihara throughout this series.

I mean, Four Eyes has gotta earn his spot through critical thinking, after all.

>>281215593
Should have include a sniping weapon.

>>281226148
He likes to swap his trigger depending on the circumstances. That's his set against Aftokrator since he needed to tank and stall.
He equipped Egret against Galoupula because he needed to kill from afar.

>>281224154
The thing is, Ashihara set up a lot of character development subplots in the exam phase, backing down and offscreening fights can hurt those characters. Especially, because the trip to Aftokrator will be a mirror of the large-scale invasion, and there were many characters shown in there.
>>281224826
Exactly, we don't need entire chapters dedicated to each squad, just an overview of how everyone's doing, dialogue, some lessons learned for the agents in B-rank, etc.

>>281215593
>self discipline
>hard training
>giga chad thundercock fighting style
>Yuri instantly turns him into a 1 IQ worm
this it what no nut lifestyle does to a man

>>281225986
And how they handle giving out rewards/resources.

>>281215299
>Gunner with a sniper rifle
Love to see it.

>>281227150
I want more people like Arafune. Bring a sniper to a fight but be prepared if somebody tracks you down, whether you choose using a gun, bullets or blades.

>>281227150
Still need the perfect all rounder gunner.
Assault rifle (Asteroid) / Yuba gun (Asteroid)
Assault Rifle (Hound) / Grenade Launcher (Meteor)
Bagworm / Egret
Shield / Shield
A gun for every range, for every situation.

>>281211279
You're underselling Yuiga a bit.
He'd be a decent B ranker if he didn't nepo his way into A rank.

>>281227282
Izuho should join that group if Ashihara manages to keep the story going for 10 years more.

>>281227675
Reiji will teach her to karate chop people with Raygust.

>>281215126
Any attacker with grasshopper can reach flying trion soldiers, so while it's definitenitely an option for a surprise attack you better get an excellent retreat plan after it's executed.

>>281227828
If you're grasshoppering then you can have at most one shield available. That means certain death when approaching a full attacking Nino.
And there are only two attackers on the A rank side that have grasshopper, Tachikawa and Midorikawa.

>no chapter this month
Please, I'm so thirsty.

>>281227532
Yuiga's stats are similar to Osamu, but I doubt he can defeat a Marmod alone.

>>281215492
>Since those triggers kill their users once activated
Only Geist. Fullarms just guzzles trion, but it can be turned on and off at will.

>>281228656
While I'm here, reminder that the artist of Ichi the Witch was recruited to work on Act-Age because of her World Trigger fanart, which is mostly of Hatohara. She also drew Usami x Konami leads, but she scrubbed them when she got hired.

>>281227308
All ranges bullet head, i like that build.
You could even sneak a shooter cube in there for bullet traps.

>>281228876
3/10 that is a key to everything strikes again

>>281224154
Since the volume covers have been featuring each of the provisional squads, we can reasonably predict that there are 12 volumes in total for the test (11 for each squad, +1 for volume 23 which has the royal family on the cover).
Volume 28 is already out in Japan, and there are roughly enough chapters for another volume, which will bring us to six provisional squad covers.
That leaves five volumes for the combat phase. My guess is that the combat test will follow a similar structure to the Aftokrator invasion, with a solid 4 volumes (30-33) for combat and then finishing the combat phase early in the fifth volume (vol. 34) and then wrapping everything up with the rest of the volume.
Assuming releases continue at the current rate, that means another 5 years on the test and if we're lucky they'll be heading to the Neighborhood in the next decade.

>>281228924
>3/10
You made a typo there. You meant 3/1.

>>281229265
Nino she is not going to dump Rinji for you no matter how much you try to flatter her.

>>281227308
The rambo build.
>>281229317
Rinji either got suwa'd or is picking cotton in the hood.

>Q. 155: Please tell us when Raygust was developed as well as the story behind its development.
>Terashima Raizou (18), a top class Kogetsu wielder at the time, got pissed off at the enhancing and popularity of bullet triggers and transferred to Engineer, where he made Raygust as an anti-bullet trigger blade with Shield and Scorpion as the base. This was when Raizou gained weight.
>Source: Border Briefing File, Page 305, Question 155
Raizo is currently 21, so he's been out of the game for three years. He's either secretly a monster or incredibly rusty.

A recent question also said he retired before team combat was common, so he might be bad at working with a team. Kazama squad normally relies on very tight teamwork, so they're in a bad place.

>>281229779
I'm guessing Raizo's weight gain was intentional to better handle the force of Thruster.

>>281229779
>salty about bullets
>teaming up with the guy that made hound and viper

>>281229779
If he's been joining in on defence missions while the test has been on some of the rust will have been knocked off

Reading some of the last chapters, the explanation about mass produced units vs super units made me understand why I like Border's loadout more than the neighbors. They are basically a bunch of mass produced units working together to take down crazy strong units. Some are just more skilled than the others. T-1 and Amo doesn't count.

>>281229779
Raizo should be pretty good for managing trion soldiers so even if he never pulls out his raygust he should provide decent value

>>281215299
>Gunner/sniper with dummy beacons and spider
>Double raygust with custom thrusters
>Girl that just tags you and dumps beacons then teleports away
I can't wait to see these guys in action, they probably have the most interesting team composition on paper

Nasu my beloved

>>281209552 (OP)
Is someone gonna dump the leftover chapters?

What do you do when a combat 13 monkey comes rushing at you as a mid rank b agent.

>>281231256
>>281161490

>>281230083
Aftokrator cannot win in the long term because of this. Border is planning on going massive now that they have a decent grasp on trion technology and are standardizing their operations and teaching. Not sure if we will ever see that, but realistically they could number thousands five years away from the in-universe's current time.

Imagine five Tachikawa squads, ten Arashiyama squads, seven Kazama squads, and so on in a future invasion. No matter what, Afto's fucked. Meeden is in no dire need of throwing a Chika into our core to power up our world, we will have plenty of time before our world dies. They may be months or a few years away from collapsing due to Trion running out.

>>281231274
Use myself as bait to attract the gorilla's attention while other B comrades gather for a gangbang

In this test, is T-1 allowed to use their modded triggers?

>>281231796
Probably, yeah. It's not rank wars. And the inclusion of Jin and Rindo makes it pretty clear that this was never intended to be a fair fight.

>>281224154
2-3 volumes worth at minimum

>>281229779
>Kazama squad normally relies on very tight teamwork, so they're in a bad place.
not a problem.
Raizo and Kazama are close friends and are drinking buddies

>>281230083
It’s a shounen so there’s possibility of the antagonists winning, ever. Every single one of Afto’s BTs could invade and they’d not only lose but lose HORRIBLY with Border taking few losses, and none of named characters. That’s just how shounen rolls. The narrative pretends that there’s a serious threat out there and Border is working hard to overcome the disadvantage but that’s all fake, in reality Border is already the strongest.

Do you think there's even the slightest possibility that Osamu doesn't make the away mission and the pliers was foreshadowing for him sneaking into the neighborhood? And if that did happen, do you think anyone would go with him?

>>281232238
Jin said it's 50/50
Galo is there as an inssurance

>>281232154
Suwa is a hard counter, he will get Kazama drunk.

>>281232238
because of Jin Osamu will make it there no matter what but in what quality will depend on the results of this test. worst comes to it Jin will just tell them to take Osamu or the mission fails/someone dies which is most likely the case anyway

>>281232303
Suwa's tears isn't enough to make Kazama drunk, anon

>>281232426
That's right, that's why the perfect counter is a mail box.

>>281232273
Honestly there are a lot of possible ways Galo comes into play. I was thinking they may tip the balance in favor of Meeden during a big fight when they reach Aftokrator.

>>281231274
>Lie down
>Try not to die
>Die a lot

>>281232273
>>281232957
I think Galo is the insurance for bringing Osamu back home after his crazy schemes get himself stranded on Aftokrator.

>>281231274
Let her split me in a half

>>281233511
I pray first for Ashihara's health, and then I pray for season four to have the same level of quality as seasons two and three. These panels were adapted very well.

>>281231274
Our child soldier
Hyuse's future love interest?

>>281222377
>midway through the test
>Fujin appears in the middle of the field
>first come, first serve

>>281234786
>Kitora gets it
>only 1 blade

>>281235314
Wait, Kitora and Yoneya are both trionlets. Osamu has good chances to make it into A-rank.

>>281230083
Meeden/Earth is the only real (as in existing in the "material/our universe" planet in World Trigger. All the rest are (smaller) country-sized (at best) trion-made "mini-dimensions" that purely subsist on one mega-trigger user to sustain them. Therefore all of Neighborhood is essentially on a timer, until enough of Earth/Meeden discovers trion as well, and then they're completely fucked, because of the population disparity and the fact that Earth/Meeden also has advanced non-trigger/trion technology that should be able to be made to easily work in the Neighborhood as well.

>>281234786
>Osamu gets it
>bails out without penalty
i'd just start clapping when it happens

I just realized we've never seen Kageura get to ignore snipers with his side effect. He was always in matches with Azuma. In fact, he and non-shooting Chika were the only actual snipers in the matches we saw Kage in since Taichi was manning the lights.
Now Azuma will be on his side.

>>281236147
Snipers might just avoid him altogether.

>>281233511
>KONAMI'S GIGANTIC AXE BROKE THAT FUCK BOY IN HALF

It’s likely at least a couple of the Operators will fight a bit. The most obvious would be Saki, due to having battle experience, but I think at least one on the B rank side should at least pull off a surprise attack. Shiki has the most Trion for that to be reasonable, but she’s more likely to use her side effect, so it’ll likely be someone else.

>>281237287
Most operators have 4eyes-tier low trion
I don’t expect anything more than a couple of shields and bagworm

>>281237345
>Shields
They (and Osamu) might honestly be better off equipping double Raygust instead.

>>281237345
I agree that’ll be the case for most operators, but I do think at least one will take a cheap shot once.

>>281237345
Singular shield, the other side would be bagworm tag.

Some A-ranker should insta-kill Nino to teach that smugfuck a lesson

>>281237779
Nino is the 2nd highest ranked single combatant in Border (barring S-ranks), he's not just an A-ranker, he's straight up at the top. The only one who might have a shot at instakilling him is Toma.

>>281237345
There's a few with reasonable trion stats.
>Tsukimi Ren: 4
>Nire Hikari: 5
>Shiki Sayoko: 7
>Osano Rui: 4
>Asagiri Asuka: 5
>Tokura Megumi: 5
>Kusumoto Aoi: 4

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUZVYOtgJ8E
>Tamakoma-2 is smurfing
Is this true, Tamakomabros?

>>281238282
What the fuck was that Usami voice lmao

Which B-ranker will win the the Ikoma ticket?

>>281239325
Obviously it's gonna be Jackson

>>281209552 (OP)
The strategies in World Trigger are so fucking retarded the mangaka is an 100 IQ midwit who thinks he's smart, at least unlike Code Geass and Death note intelligence is not portrayed like haxxxzor mode I was always 275 steps above you I'll give him props.
Intelligence in World Trigger is basically a bunch of kids trying their best which would make sense if the fate of the entire world wasn't in their hands.

80 something episodes in and Tamako's strategies were always dog shit, Chika is obviouly the key player in their team, her Meteor can delete half a building, her Ibis is also insane yet she's never done anything useful until now.

The obvious strategy would be to keep the MC who has no trion and is useless close to her at all times he even has a shield and make him shoot insanely big bullets instead of her to bypass her artificial nerf.
You know what's funny? They literally did this once and it worked perfectly fine.
Instead of sending her to buttfuck nowhere so she is useless the obvious strategy would be a tight-ish formation with Hyuse, Kuga at the front and MCtard at the back using Chika's insane trion to become the best shooter in the series and he would become the best if he only trained that. Effectively, in practice they'd have a 3 man squad which is not out of the ordinary

Sorry to bust your bubble if you think you're smart or this show is also inb4 spacing I know you ADHD retards can't even read.

Also telling random Neighbors and people about Jin's future prediction ability is the most hilariously retarded thing I've seen in my life.
Imagine one US citizen being able to prove to the US Government he can see the future, that would be the biggest most well protected state secret in the history of the United States and Jin just goes around telling everyone kek

>>281239702
Part of the way they handled Chika was by keeping her out of danger, this was mentioned rather early on. We also know that doing what you mentioned can cause issues after a bit. It feels like you’ve said a lot of nothing.

>>281237420
I'm not sure the 1 trion ones can even handle two raygusts.

>>281239746
>Oh they have an agent that can see the future. Do we have any specifics? No? Well in that case we can counter them by…
>By uh…
>Oh shit what do we do about that?
If all you heard was there’s a clairvoyant over there, I feel like that would mess with you more than help you.

>>281239702
here's a taiyaki, Hyuse

El Creatura will be MVP, with Yuiga a close second.

>>281240058
And on the other hand, it would probably be reassuring and help convince those you want to be allies with, to ally with you. If he just threw Mikumo at them without explanation, they might not be so inclined to help him out. But if someone with future sight says this guy is gonna be a key player, then you’d have to have faith in them.

>>281240669
if Yuiga actually feeds her he is a good guy, her thing only procs on people who would want to pamper an actual cat

>>281239702
>>281239746
Haven't seen this much seethe about world trigger in a while. Btw you are the one typing like an adderall junkie, a bunch of loose sentences in one schizo rambling kek stay mad.

>>281241562
The storytime was popular enough that a shitposter latched on.

>>281209552 (OP)
I think we'll see a lot of Katagiri and Kusakabe squad, they're the A ranks we know least about. Maybe we'll get Katagiri vs Ninomiya squad, so can get Azuma's pupils vs Azuma himself.

>>281241952
But that would mean raping the spotter cutie because Azuma is one of the few snipers her little tricks can't work on

>>281227282
I honestly don't understand why won't snipers bring gunner triggers and their only last resort is lightning
Most of them have spare trigger slots and I don't think there are any trionlets among them. If anything lightning should be a sniping option for gunners, and snipers should drop lightning in favor of asteroid and hound.

>>281230529
>the most interesting team composition on paper
>weakest A rank
heh
their composition is kinda retarded, their gunner can't even dual wield
looks like they chased after gimmicks but forgot to cover essentials, which is weird considering Azuma of all people was leading them

>>281242255
Snipers seem to be fairly specialized. Gunner triggers, shooter triggers, or even just additional sniper triggers take time to master and incur a trion cost just to bring them. For some of them, it may have seemed more worth it to focus on their role within their squad than to cover more weaknesses at the expense of potentially becoming less effective in their main role.
For existing gunners carrying lightning, I imagine sniper triggers are fairly unwieldy for a class more focused on mobility. I’m not sure typical agents can pull off aiming a big ass sniper while running at full sprint through gunfire.

>>281242255
In general it's weird they don't at least copy Yuba and carry a pistol at least. Then again if one of the top dogs are on your ass the skill diff is just too big so it may seem pointless.

>>281242929
Most of the snipers in the rank wars were killed by other snipers, Yuuma or Ninomiya. Getting into firefight with someone more experienced than you seems too dangerous for me, I'd invest my time into stealth training instead

>>281242255
I think it's because they want to spend all their time in bagworm if they can. That both costs trion to maintain and makes other triggers on the sub unusable except when things have gone wrong. They have to weigh whether or not that extra gun or whatever is actually going to be worth it. And I can definitely see the argument that it isn't.
How successful are they really going to be in a firefight against a real gunner or attacker when their entire main is hogged by sniper triggers? And is that worth potentially running out of trion if a match is going to a timeout or worse during a lengthy neighbor invasion?

>>281242929
>>281242758
>>281242255
In real life snipers will tend to carry a sidearm, often a small assault rifle or submachine gun. In some countries the sniper doesn't carry a sidearm, but they're paired with a spotter who does.

Snipers should probably carry a shooter trigger like Hound or Meteor so they're not totally helpless when found. They might not win fights, but it could make enemies wary, delay them, and contribute to team fights at midrange.

>Sandwich starts a mass battle arc of his own
What "timing", top jej

>>281243933
He's, what, eight years late to the concept? It was bad enough that "Shen Wulong" is one of the most generic fucking xianxia names ever.

>>281239325
It's gonna be Shiori, don't ask how I know

>>281243933
Now he has to write an excel spreadsheet arc to compete with Ashihara

If Border picks up some exotic Neighbor sniper trigger, like an invisible X-ray gun, warping projectile caster, something out of Gantz, etc, how would border determine who gets to use it? Do they hold a sniper tournament with the trigger as the prize? Pirates rules, ie the one who took it decides? Command decides? Or fuck you that belongs in a lab?

>>281239702
He's an asshole, but he's right. The strategies in world trigger only work if you don't think about them too hard.

>>281245936
If it's not a black trigger it goes in the lab until the engineers can mass-produce it. If it's a black trigger they'll treat it like fujin or Amo's BT, i.e. find a capable and compatible agent and give it to him.

>>281245936
Before returning? Nobody should use it since it doesn't have Bail Out.
After returning? To the labs in order to recreate a weaker version to implement in Border triggers.
Black Trigge? Only compatible users and a test to decide who can use it unless is Fujin tier.

Rokuro redemption soon

So, how “pragmatic” is Border as an organization? For example, what if they got their hands on an “evil” BT, one that will only accept certain deranged lunatics, killers, etc. Will Border go out and find a user for this BT and figure out a way to control him or her? Or will they moralfag away from it, put it into lockdown and figure out what to do with it later?

>>281239702
>They literally did this once and it worked perfectly fine
Until it didn't work on the second guy a minute later.

>>281246874
They're not going to get Borboros back for you, Enedorad.

>>281246874
>one that will only accept certain deranged lunatics, killers, etc
Karasawa could use it no questions asked

>>281242255
Sniper triggers consume a lot of trion per shot compared to other triggers, and since they're usually in a Bagworm that trion is already ticking down anyway.
I imagine most snipers prefer to save trion to rely on stealth than wasting trion so they can get into a firefight they'll probably lose.

>>281245936
They go to engineering. Not even T1 uses neighbor triggers, just experimental triggers based on neighbor technology.

>>281246720
More like his worst days have yet to come. Hyuse pointed out he's incredibly shit in team battle and will need drastic measure to improve himself, which won't happen in a single day. He'll most likely be deadweight in the combat phase unless Ashihara buffs him somehow

>>281247303
I think he'll be OK. The benefit of it being a public execution is that his whole squad is on the same page. That makes it easier for them to help him out and keep things from spiraling out of control.

Now that i think about, won't Hyuse return to his human body if he bails out in the 2nd phase?

>>281248820
He should, yes.

>>281248820
Mario will be the one to catch him in his true form, and he won't be the only horny person in the room

>>281249447
Somene post THAT

>>281209552 (OP)
are they ever going to actually fight the aliens?

>>281248820
>>281249447
2 ways this could go; either he starts from a private room and stays closed off like an hikkomori, or he eventually reveals he is a neighbour to the rest of the team. Personally I prefer the latter option, it's not like he will be able to hide that he is a neighbour in the actual mission.

>>281248820
Just don't get hit.

>>281250003
difficult to see how he could act as a guide without disclosing his actual Canadian status

>>281250003
I think he's going to gaslight them with more Canada bullshit like "we Canadians need our privacy" or w/e, but when they reach Afto he will have to come clean.

>>281250003
>it's not like he will be able to hide that he is a neighbour in the actual mission.
Yes but he can wait to disclose it just to people who make it on the away mission instead of random schmucks he's stuck with

>>281250519
Most of the people going will be A ranks and lot of them already know.

Since Hyuse will need rest if he bails out, I could imagine someone going to wake him up in his private room and him being caught that way.

>>281251641
its going to be Mario

Is Mario/Hyuse a meme? Or are there any real chances of them becoming a thing?

>>281251936
absolute meme, unrequited love at worst if Mario somehow falls for him. Hyuse is his master's dog and there are good chances of master being female.

>>281248820
wouldn't he just bail out into the same hornless body he started from? yuma has a civilian trion body inside his combat trion body, if hyuse activates his combat trigger while using the civilian hornless body then that's what he'll end up in after the combat body is destroyed.

>>281252044
Yuuma's civilian body is special, Hyuse's hornless body is a regular trion body

>>281252044
No, because a destroyed combat body implies he is out of trion so he can't support a civilian trion body. Yuma's case is implied to be very special, and only possible because a black trigger has it's own trion supply - it remains to be seen if the "normal trigger within a black trigger" is possible for every black trigger or just yima's thing, but considering that miwa turned off his normal trigger before activating fuujin, and that enedora had no trion body underneath borbotos, it seems unlikely.

>>281209552 (OP)
>We are sure to win because our numbers are superior

>>281222400
I mean the shit izumi was doing vs hyrein wasn't any less insane. In fact I'd argue some of his viper shots are undodgeable

>>281236145
>Osamu gets it
>bails out
>has no prior injuries
>because he was solely responsible for his own bail out, he gets the points
>recharges instantly because trionlet
>goes right back in
>farms himself for points

>>281252040
If his master is that person who appeared during the Galopoula flashback, yeah high chances it's a woman.

>>281252752
Tomahawk is a nightmare and Izumi is so versatile he basically can defend Tachikawa's blind spots, provide him with coverage and enable his sword autism.

>>281245936
They'd probably just take it to the labs to reverse engineer it.

>>281251936
Hyuse is not Nino, he is not interested in a barely 3/10

>>281253425
shit, this would work

>>281253425
Taichibros...

>>281253570
Didn't Kuruma give him the hat after seeing Yotaro's helmet?

>>281253425
From the french-speaking part of Canada, or the english-speaking one?

>>281222400
Nino is skilled with asteroid and shield. He can deploy, split, and fire his asteroids cubes better than other shooters including Izumi..

Izumi can use more types of bullets, including viper, and can support better than Nino.

>>281253570
We Taichischolars are celebrating that our retard managed to touch Nono's nonos.

>>281255696
But he didn't, hat was always in the way.

>>281255893
nta but last time she pressed them in hard, the sheer size of those things insures they smushed over his neck & back

What kind of trion soldier(s) will Taichi make for the combat phase?

>>281256322
Tanks and horses
Verification. not required btw

>>281256322
Rabbits but they are wearing his hat.

If a character is captured by an Ugly Bastard in the away mission, who should it be and should a rescue mission be mounted for them?

Also, who would best fulfill the Ugly Bastard role for Border?

I want other Ninomiya squad members to express their feelings about Hatohara in the combat phase
We know from the flashback that they only act like they don't care to prevent Nino from feeling more responsible (granted, the fact that they can do that means they're already more rational than him)

>>281257058
I'll miss her on the combat phase.
Seriously Ashihara, what the fuck?

>>281209741
interesting spawns

>>281256974
Kinuta looks like one, but he has a heart of gold.

>>281256974
Bamster.

>>281257152
You just miss her outfit

>>281257152
That just means she'll be even more important during the inevitable attack on Meeden during the away mission.

>>281242758
>incur a trion cost just to bring them
yeah that's why most of them carry 3 guns that do the same thing

>>281245936
Nobody gets to use it unless it's a black trigger. It will be too valuable as a sample, it will be given to engineers to research.
If it's a black trigger, they test for compatibility and hold competition for these who qualify like they did with Fujin.

>>281258521
nta but most actually don't carry all 3, the only ones who do are Azuma & Narasaka I think. Others prefer Egret or Egret + lightning/Ibis

>>281248820
You can actually nest trion bodies, like Yuma can activate a border trion body over his black trigger "normal" body. Ashihara actually answered it in a Q&A, when you use a trigger your body is stored inside the trigger and swapped with a trion body that trigger creates. If you activate a trigger while in trion body, it's the trion body that gets stored.
Now that's how it can work, but not sure if Hyuse actually does that (he probably does not since it was a concern for him to get a personal room). They still get bailed out to their beds so it should be no problem if he doesn't leave the room.

>>281256974
>who should it be
Teruya
>who would best fulfill the Ugly Bastard role for Border
Mizukami in a modified trion body

>>281258521
>>281258654
>snipers that use all three
Narasaka, Kodera, Ema, Azuma, Hiura, Tonooka, Taichi,
>snipers that don't
Toma, Uno, Ken, Momozono, Chika, Oki, Arafune, Hanzaki, Hokari

I'm reading JP threads for chapter 236 and it's amazing how similar they think about Jin's involvement in Hatohara's incident
https://bbs.animanch.com/board/2344166/
https://bbs.animanch.com/board/2345213/
https://bbs.animanch.com/board/2347617/

I wonder what those triggers that the Away team brought back early on will end up being developed into.

>>281259454
When you've got a guy that can see the future, it's only natural that people will wonder if he planned or chose not to intercede in things that he would have foreseen. Both here and there I saw the excuse of him not being around at the time, but I don't think that would change anything. He'd have still seen Hatohara's future. I think the only way for him to be completely absolved of any culpability is if her leaving was a super low probability outcome that he didn't think he needed to do anything about.
But really, I think he knew and decided it was overall for the best. He was willing to risk Chika's and Osamu's lives for a better outcome. He'd totally let Hatohara desert if the futures following it saved a bunch of lives. Which we already know is the case because it led to that gamble during the invasion being possible.
>>281259724
They might not get turned into ordinary triggers. Like the thing with the operators being intangible could be from one of the recently acquired neighbor triggers. Although that would actually be a super cool trigger too.
I imagine it'd work like chameleon where it uses a lot of trion and can't be used with anything else. And like borboros and the laptop, the trion supply and relay systems would still be tangible and able to be damaged. But then you'd have a really good mind game where the opponent is incentivized to aim at those locations, which would make their attacks more predictable and easier to defend against.

>>281259724
So far we have not seen too much about Trapper or Spotter triggers, neighbor tech might help them. In addition, maybe better capacity, so that they can handle 3 or more triggers at the same time.

>>281258175
What? I care not about Kumagai and Akane, I miss Nasu I miss her viper art and every character is getting screetime on this away mission test except her.

She could be judging like the A-Rankers at least...

>>281260425
He absolutely let Hatohara leave. Hatohara (and Chika's brother) leaving is the impetus for Chika and Osamu (and then Yuma) joining Border, and those were necessary to minimize damage for the big invasion as well as stabilize the in-fighting at Border itself.
I'm actually kinda surprised Ninomiya hasn't questioned Jin about this, since we know Nino is more emotional than he lets on and this is exactly the type of disagreement he would bring up.

>>281260726
The A ranks are essentially working 16 hours shifts and staying at HQ full time during all of this. I don't think her body could handle it.

>>281239702
stay mad

>>281260771
It could be an interaction we just haven't seen yet, or maybe it traces back to Ninomiya being a simpleton in some ways.

I rewatched Season 1 just to laugh at shit, but man, I don't know how I stomached all this bullshit, years ago. Every episode has recaps on top of recaps, and the action scenes were censored as fuck. Was this aired as a saturday morning show?

>>281261052
What would really be evil is if Jin orchestrated Hatohara leaving. It'd go far to explain how the collaborators were able to get ahold of Border technology as Nino didn't think Hatohara could do that sorta stuff, and Chika's brother (who could do it) was just a civilian without access to Border stuff. But if he had help from Jin..

>Ninomiya finally "reunites" with Hatohara
>she's dead and has become a Black Trigger
>he's incompatible

>>281261304
Maybe Jin saw that it would benefit the future Away Mission?

>>281261411
>Reiji is compatible
>Every other man is compatible
Nino-san...

>>281261519
Fuck I meant to type Rinji.

>>281260425
I think there's plenty of reasonable doubt for Jin to not be able to engineer or decide on Hatohara's departure at all. For one, to be able to see someone's future, he has to actually SEE them, and most of the people involved in the plot had no known affiliation with border or direct involvement with Jin, so the only one he could see the future of was Hatohara. Secondly, his ability to see people's future only seems to really proc when they make the decisions that sets those events. We see it in the Galopoula invasion, when he doesn't know the base is going to be attacked until the group formally decides on it, and doesn't know about Yotaro looking for Hyuse until he's already making a run on Raijinmaru. Hatohara could have been part of the plot the whole time, but not have activated future sight until she made the full commitment to join and help. The third point is what visions he sees when. With all the people he's got eyes on, if he had perfect information on all of them he would literally not be able to function with the amount of visions he would be getting, so there's obviously some form of selectivity to them. Even if you find that answer to be a cop-out, there's also the more plausible explanation that Hatohara made her decision during that late night phonecall with Ema. If Jin was asleep then, that vision could have gone and went, and they could have done the plot without him realizing

>>281261519
>Another slutty weak trigger like Fujin
3/10 BT from a 3/10 woman

>>281240669
>>281240793
Does he have a crush on her? It looks like he's blushing.

>>281261700
He doesn't even need Hatohara, he would've seen the demotions of Nino and Kage squads (and Nezuki's injury). They're very prominent A-rank teams with multiple people (visibility), and their demotions to B-rank would've then cascaded and caused even more folks' futures to get affected. Seeing just about any B-rank rank war participant could've tipped him off way before the collaborator incident actually happened.

>>281261800
Would be funny if against all predictions, Mai turns out to be cute and/or hot, and Yuiga hits a jackpot.

>>281261844
Those are all still tied to Hatohara's decision, so if that happens while he's in a situation where he can't see or respond to the vision, as simple as just being asleep from what I can tell, he could legitimately miss it

>>281261700
At least in the case of Yotaro, he was aware of that possibility. It was just an unlikely one. With Galopoula, he knew someone was going to attack. So he probably had fuzzy visions of the people he knew in border fighting with no clearly most likely futures until Galo made their decision. An event like the squad meeting or Ema's phone call might have made that future more clear. But I think he'd have to have seen a future where Hatohara left, even if it was an unlikely one like the Yotaro one.
But still I think he expected it. The thing that had the biggest influence in convincing her to sneak into the neighborhood was management disallowing her and her squad from going on the away mission. It was at that point that she knew she would never get to the neighborhood through border. But that was always going to happen. So that would significantly restrict her possible futures to only ones branching from that point.

So its been like 5+ years since I read this and they still havnt gone to the other world?

>>281262080
haven't even decided on who is going there

>>281262060
That is a fair point, since during Galopoula he seems to refer to multiple potential formations for a possible attack, and he likes to talk about the future in general probabilities, like saying Osamu has a 50/50 chance of making it to the away mission. But then the question is does Hatohara's decision to leave with some civilians really show up as a likely future, or one that has an actionable solution for him? We as observers seeing how things play out have the benefit of hindsight and broad scope, but I can't really see any view of the future that >>281261844 mentions that would make Jin go "ah yes, I know exactly what to do to prevent this"

>>281262217
Also, there's the big question of what would stopping them actually accomplish? You save a handful of triggers, the people going still don't have their loved ones, and will probably just try again, only under more desperate circumstances, you now have an active traitor to border around, and with them not disappeared it's significantly harder to keep it quiet

>>281262080
Nah they were doing homework and playing xcom for 5 years. The next 5 years will be be fighting in some manner of tower defense esports though.

>>281262080
Give it another 5 and they'll almost be on their way.

>>281262396
>from Excel to X-Com to Dota 2
Sasuga, Ashihara-sensei.

>>281257058
>>281231148

>>281240669
Man, those first 2 paragraphs really make the manga sound like the most generic shit ever

>>281259454
>>281260425
>>281260771
>>281261052
I suspect the thought hasn't occured to ninomiya; osamu knows pretty much the same information as he does, probably knows how jin's side effect works even better (knows that jin deliberately leveraged his and chika's lives in the afto invasion), and even he hasn't considered that jin must have deliberately allowed it to happen. I suspect the only ones that have a clue are jin himself, commander kido and possibly director rindo.

>>281264043
It's weird no one does.
Jin is the de facto chief of security at border and he knew all the people involved personally, there's no fucking way no one has given it a random thought consider it was a massive breach.

>>281263924
It gives me the same vibes as the first page of Bone Collection.

>>281264063
I don't think most people at border understand of jin's future sight works, at most they know that it helps a lot in battle and that he can catch glimpses of the future that is already set. You'd have to know he specifically gets glimpses of the future from people he sees, that he can see the different probable futures and that while can't deliberately choose any of them, he can and often tries to change the likelihood of certain outcomes.

I don't think you can really appreciate all of the above without inherently distrusting jin, to some degree.

>>281259454
>Amatori: "I think my brother could do that." (Critical Hit)
lol

>>281259454
Maybe if Rinji was coercing Hatohara, but why shouldn't someone exercise their free will? I really don't think is should be Jin's responsibility to tard wrangle every single individual on an individual basis.

>>281245936
>Chika gets a Graviton Beam Emitter

>>281264595
>why shouldn't someone exercise their free will?
Because we already know Jin isn't concerned with this. We know he's willing to use and manipulate people to get the outcome he wants.

Do you think Kazama will force Cronin and Raizo to use chameleon? Imagine Raizo nothin personnel kiddoing someone with his Raygust from invis.

>>281267100
Definitely
I also expect Miwa to have Rindou use Kodera's sniper loadout

So what are we getting first Yuma vs Yousuke or Yuma vs Kazama?

>>281267357
>Rindo and Azuma having a sniper duel from opposite side of the map
It would be kino.

>>281267100
No, Kazama will show that he can do more than stealth.
Kikuchi is with B-ranks, and he's somehow a core member of their stealth setup (which doesn't really make sense since his ability is anti-stealth).

>>281267381
The rematch with Yosuke has been set up more. But they've almost certainly already fought off screen whereas I don't think he's fought Kazama. So a fight with Kazama would probably be more interesting since they'd be figuring one another out instead of already really familiar.

If you could see one A ranker get absolutely destroyed, who would it be? No-one on the test side.

I'm going for Maki. Runner up: Tachikawa, but it's never going to happen.

>>281268017
Saki needs megane correction.

I'm more curious who on both sides will be the first to bail out. Will A-ranks channel neighbor energy and make an immediate push (since they have nothing to lose ranking-wise), or will some B-ranks try to hit hard and fast to catch them off guard?

>>281268057
It has already been set up
That little shit Shun knew she never watched Tamakoma-2 logs but didn't bother to correct her

>>281268017
Jin. We know he doesn't win 100% of the time and I'd like to see what that looks like.

>>281267357
I want him to use a custom trigger like Tamakoma-1
>>281267616
Kikuchi could take this opportunity to be smug towards Kazama, especially if he and Utagawa link up

>>281268247
If Yuiga is participating, he's dying first. Osamu or Rokuro have the highest chances, with very different implications: Osamu likely set himself up to die multiple times and cheese the win, Rokuro just because he got a psychological beatdown by Hyuse, now he needs a physical one and he will become a powerful megane.

>>281268665
>Osamu likely set himself up to die multiple times and cheese the win
Makes sense
His trion will run out fast even if he manages to avoid being farmed by A-rankers, rendering him useless
Might as well die to restore his trion

>>281268765
>>281268665
Wouldn't Osamu dying on repeat be kinda bad for the B-rank guys? Sure he can respawn more than anyone else due to being a trionlet but he's also worth a shit ton of points.

>>281268017
Arashiyama. Because you just know he'd be ecstatic afterwards and then lock in to BTFO them once he respawned.

>>281268828
But there's no point of Osamu lasting on the field either
His 2 trion will run out really really fast. And when that happen, he can't set up his wires. So he has to die to get his trion back

>>281268828
We still don't know if friendly fire kills give points to the other side or not.
I'm hoping it'll be allowed because intentionally causing a teammate to bail out could be useful in expeditions.

>>281268867
I guess it'll all balance out because Katori is only worth 13 points. I wonder what kind of spider chicanery they'll get up to together.
>>281268894
Osamu: SUWA, I NEED YOU TO SHOOT ME IN THE HEAD AGAIN!!!!
Suwa: Osamu...

>>281268867
Him replenishing his trion is not worth the points he'd give up. He's going to die a few times. But it's never going to be something he wants to happen.

>>281268854
For some reason during the Afto invasion I got this idea that Arashiyama and Tokieda use scorpion when they get really serious. I want to see them use it this time, also with teleporter.

>>281213162
Teruya needs correction...

>>281269363
You can't correct her
She has daddy's money

>>281269403
Grrr...damn bratty rich girl...

>>281269363
she has suffered enough

>>281269495
Her mind was tainted by the water god, she has to take her frustration out with Kakizaki and Kotaro...

>>281269610
She doesn't need to
Did you forget Iko's last prize?
She's gonna rig it so the other 3 winners will give her their shares

>>281269742
>Iko wasted all his squads food showing off his LEET COOKING SKILLS
>pulls this shit
This is why Ikoma is best boy.

I wonder if they will have commentators during the 36hr slugfest. During rank wars you needed live commentary so the readers (ostentatiously the B/C ranks watching) could properly understand what was happening, but that same excuse won't work here and now most of the named characters are already participating anyway.

>>281270048
Nasu will do live commentary
That’s why they excluded her

>>281270048
Shinoda and Sakurako will be explaining Netsuki and Karasawa what's happening

>>281268017
Tachikawa and Kazama already did their share of jobbing against fujin. So has yoneya and Miwa. I'm wanna see Arashiyama shitters get rekt, that or the stupid shut in in pic related

>>281270149
I do expect there will be observations from the higher ups. This is all a test after all.

Can't wait for this week's chapter

>>281270589
?????????????????????????
Bad bait.

>>281270589
>This week's
Anon...

>>281270589
neighbor detected

>>281270168
He and his gf are gonna have some sad backstory. He's asshole-ish but not outright insufferable.

>>281271565
Aside from the kill stealing and bluntness he doesn't even seem that bad. From what we've seen he's been getting along fine with his squad.

>>281271565
>his gf
They're just childhood friends

>>281271659
I think some have theorized they’re cousins

>>281271959
Too many cousins in this manga already

>>281271659
Childhood friends are code words for "already held hands and haven't gotten over it ever since"

>>281256974
There's 2 doujin with that plot already

>>281271565
Urushima isn't even that much of an asshole, when he steals kills its because Rokuta is a potato and misses that the target was already taken so instead of blaming her or apologizing for her missteps he just takes fire himself. He is just a bit protective of Rokuta.
He worked well for Yuma during their kitchen shifts, he was giving out compliments to Kotaro and telling guys not to bother Shiki too much.
All in all he is a swell guy who is a bit too conscious of his paycheck and protective of his potato wifeperator.

>>281273010
He also has fabulous hair

Kodera squad is cooked if Katagiri squad is gunning for their ass
Katagiri squad may be the weakest A-rank squad but the fact that these niggas have 2 dummy beacons tells me they took Azuma’s lessons to always rape operators

>>281273103
>Kodera squad is cooked
yes

>>281273103
Toma will go after every sniper's ass in this exercise, there's another risk for Kodera.

>>281273103
>>281273180
>most operators struggle to go from three people to four
>theirs is going from one to four
It's going to be a slaughter.

>>281273620
its not just that Rokuta goes from one to four, she struggles with one to the point she can't allocate him unclaimed targets.
best case they won't have operator support worst case it will give them false info

>>281273857
Why was she allowed to be an operator? Does she have a pair of pliers too?

>>281273954
Urushima bribed Border to keep her on board, that's why he needs money

>>281273857
is it definitely this and not that he's trying to maximise money for her because something something needs it for family?

Setting aside that Rokuta sucks, having an operator for each combatant in addition to the squad level one wouldn't be a bad idea. Border is bottlenecked by trion and Meeden's main advantage is manpower. Individual operators would be a way to leverage that manpower to squeeze the most out of the trigger users and their trion.

>>281274311
That would be a comms nightmare.

If the squad never plans to rely on the operator, shouldn't operator-harrassment tactics not work?
Or, could Rokuta's tunnel vision help with ignoring distractions?

>>281274311
>Border is bottlenecked by trion
No, they're literally operating on the only planet in the WT-verse that has infinite trion and the biggest population of potential trion users by far, because it's an actual real planet. They are limited by their strange need to operate from within a small part of Japan. The moment the rest of Japan and the rest of the world fully learns about trion, the Neighbourhood will become a parody of Rome, swarmed to death by Meeden "barbarians"

>>281268828
I feel like this is an easy setup for some inter-squad disagreements. Since you don't have to respawn immediately once you recover enough trion, there will definitely be some people saying that Osamu should just not respawn.

>>281274471
Medeen would sooner kill each other than anyone in the Neighborhood if trion were to be revealed to the rest of the world. I think there's a good reason Border tries to maintain its independence.

>>281274205
There is a chance that it is because of the money but with her being such a potato both options are up. She was blinded to the pot overflowing right in front of her by a simple conversation

>>281274471
>has infinite trion
They actually have less trion than a regular neighbor world. They won't sacrifice anyone, so they don't have a world trigger. Instead they have to make do with the little bit that comes out of their mother trigger without a god.
They do have the advantage of not needing to waste trion maintaining a planet. But it's still a relatively small amount of trion to work with.

>>281274371
I don't think it would be that bad. The only person that should be able to hear everyone is the squad operator.

>>281274654
Do you have any sources on that? Trion is naturally generated by at least all humanoids in the WT-verse as a by-product of their natural physical existence, as far as we know, so just by virtue of Earth/Meeden being the only real planet, with actual "planet size" level population and physical space available, this should make Earth the most trion-rich out of all the known "worlds" even if most of that trion is completely "wasted" (e.g. not collected or currently able to be utilized by Border). Most of the Mother Triggers' trion should be spent on actually sustaining the neighbors' "planets" environments themselves, as far as info I was able to gather.

>>281274682
But you'll have dozens of operators trying to coordinate with one another.

Besides, the actual job of being an operator seems to be pretty demanding, to get that many operators they would probably need to lower their standards, so their performance might suffer. And besides, they arguably already have too many operators, compared to real world military detachments (let alone batallions) just 4 people per squad is already incredibly small compared to the usual 10 to 40 people.

>>281274911
>Do you have any sources on that?
The part where they find out about Yotaro and his sister. And then the part talking to Galopoula. They remark how small border's base is and it's explained that it's because it's only being supplied by a mother trigger with no god.
>Trion is naturally generated by at least all humanoids in the WT-verse
Yes, but not in a form you can readily make triggers and away ships and walls out of it.

>>281275287
recall that hand print osamu used to recharge the trion of the testing room... you can drain trion and yet feel fine physically. install some of that in public places and now you can generate a quadrillion units of trion from joe public. even more if it doesn't require human acknowledgement and just sucks free trion.

>>281275098
Again, only squad operators would talk to everyone. The individual ones would only talk to their combatant and the squad operator. They'd basically be assistants for the squad operator.
>to get that many operators they would probably need to lower their standards
Not really. They don't need trion, so they don't even need to focus on getting kids.
>real world military detachments
don't have the resource limitations that border does. If the materials to make guns were extremely limited but the materials for communications infrastructure wasn't, you'd see way more support staff. Trigger users should be thought of more as fighter pilots than as grunts, in terms of resource investment.

>>281275367
I agree that would be a good idea. But until that technology is implemented, border is quite limited when it comes to trion.

>>281275506
you can even do this in schools first, like in students' classrooms. put trion collectors in classrooms, maybe on the floor or something. kids use up their trion every day but are growing their trion capacity in the process. free trion, stronger potential child soldiers, win win!

>>281275367
Maybe it only works for people in trion bodies.

>>281275287
>>281275506
Yeah, I wasn't talking about the amounts of stored/usable trion Border has at the moment, I was talking about the potential of trion generation on Earth/Meeden, which is one of, if not THE reason for why they are seen as such an important attack/invasion target for neighbors. But that's also the reason why Afto or whoever needs to do it *right NOW* because basically the more Meeden learns about trion, the faster and more completely fucked any neighbour opposition will get, comparatively. I mean just the fact that Border can transform trion energy into electricity and vice-versa already means that several more (and most likely still very efficient) methods of generating trion are not tapped into on Earth, not to mention by the neighbors themselves, if they're even aware of those, since Neighbourhoods all seem like "alternate universe" versions of "backwards" Earth-like civilizations that discovered trion way before any other meaningful industrial energy sources, such as water, steam, geothermal, fissile, electricity, etc.

>>281275795
>Neighbourhoods all seem like "alternate universe" versions of "backwards" Earth-like civilizations
I've always liked that bit of worldbuilding. Having access to this does it all super technology caused them to stagnate in everything else. And so the alien invaders are simultaneously technologically advanced and backwards.

>>281259454
>Things I've heard from other people are coming back to me as flashbacks, it's crazy
We Really need threads exploring the jap world

>>281275795
As if Meeden is some united faction and not multiple countries and nations in and of itself. The situation becomes much more complex were trion technology to become more widespread.

>>281259454
>In the previous stories, I was hurt when my shortcomings were pointed out, but this time it was hurt by simple pain...
Since when did World Trigger become a psychological ryona manga?

>>281276950
Sure, Earth is not a singular tiny Neighbour country, but even Border is already able to resist the bigger ones with just a miniscule amount of resources available to Earth in general, which is the point I'm making, that Border and Meeden have practically already won before Mikumo's personal story even started, because it's only a matter of time until they become the absolute top dogs of trion, given how much they've accomplished and how much progress they've made in like a decade or two at most, and how "little" the neighbourhoods have done comparatively in their thousands of years of existence.
I'm not trying to shit on WT's worldbuilding, but it really is nowhere near as good as we might perceive it as, it's just comparatively good, because the bar for shonen (and Jump specifically) is so fucking low so consistently, that even a little bit of quality put into it is already pretty noticeable.

>>281276435
Even Isekaifags will like the away arc, seeing so many distinct worlds together. The coastal nation reminds me of mediterranean architecture (Greece, Malta, Cyprus, some parts of Croatia). The one with the horse trion soldiers looks like your average French or German city. Chion looks like a Scandinavian/North German sort of place. And Afto looks like a mix of a modern and medieval metropolis.

>>281275653
>private, unelected, unaccountable organization
>covering up alien abductions and invasions
>keeps world changing alien technology all to themselves
>mind wipes anyone that finds out what they're up to
>modifies government records as needed
>has a clairvoyant on staff
>might be planning to secretly harvest the vital essence of children in public schools
Meeden's /x/ would be extremely active.

>>281277119
Yes, this is good worldbuilding. Osamu wants to go to the neighbor to find his tutor, Replica, and to save Yuuma. Not to save the world (trigger).

>>281277899
>they think it's just the scheming Canadians behind everything

>>281277899
There are plenty of bad guys in World Trigger, but Border has the gusto to be the baddest, and I trust Osamu to bring out its full potential for villainy in the future.

Who kills each member of Takamoka-1?

>>281273103
Would Rokuta be better as a Spotter or a more direct combat role? Operator is actually just the worst possible role for her to have and she likely only still has her job because Urushima is babying her.

>>281281535
>Takamoka-1
who let Tachikawa play with the pone?

>>281281535
Anyone is fine, as long as we get to see T-1 rampage through and destroy some opponents first. Konami especially, kinda want to see her cut loose and just obliterate a squad or two. (Might be the last time we see them in action if they don't join the away team.)

>>281281633
She's a trionlet. We don't know for sure, but teleport must be trion expensive. Enhanced radar too.

>>281281535
>Konami
Gets killed by one of the regular B rank snipers (not Azuma or Ema) after slaughtering her way into a trap.
>Karasuma
Doesn't go down to anyone in particular. Forced to geist by a swarm of attackers and trion soldiers.
>Reiji
Also gets swarmed. Finishing blow delivered by one of the A rank level aces.
>Jin
Done in by an elaborate plot by Osamu that somehow takes into account his side effect. Actually killed by Yuma or Chika.

We all have our picks of who is going to finally show their potential. But who is going to job? On the B rank side specifically.
My bet is Zoe and one or both of Nino and Azuma.

See ya next month.

>>281281898
Wait, I meant to use this pic.

Jin would probably have an easy time being a public speaker, he doesn't need to imagine anybody naked because he can already see them naked in his future vision.

Too bad Jin can never be the recipient of a surprise birthday party...

>>281282049
Get people he's never met to do the surprise part.

Osamu is going to bail out in the next chapter.

Ashihara is going to bail out in the next chapter.

Last for Shiori!