>female character is flawed and makes mistakes
>everyone hates her guts and wishes her to be tortured forever

Why is this so common?

you could just be honest and say you want to talk about this stupid manga instead of using bait

>>281215697
But I genuinely think people are going overboard with heaping so much hate on her. Stop being so jaded

>>281215673 (OP)
Cheating is just a deal-breaker for anons. Other evil women are popular here.

>>281215673 (OP)
>the woman in me whispered otherwise
Really hit the nail on the head there.

>>281215673 (OP)
but thsts a pretty retarded reason

>>281215673 (OP)
Depends on what her mistakes are. Minor mistakes like messing up in a fight and losing or saying something out of line are not very good reasons to hate a character, but something like betrayal or cheating is more serious and a deliberate action that goes beyond simple mistakes that might be deserving of some hate.
However, acting like you're personally wronged when a female character cheats on another character and wanting them to die for it is mentally ill.

>>281215673 (OP)
The MC was a faggot so he deserved it.
She's also a whore so no need to cry over it.

>>281215673 (OP)
Compare what happens when a flawed male character makes mistakes versus a flawed female character.
Here's a clue: It involves a cock.

>>281215673 (OP)
What surprises me is that, in stories like these, the girl isn't happy with Chad.
What, is Chad not lovable as a person? Is her big, strong, handsome boyfriend not actually fun to be around and to be in a relationship with?
Like, you'd think it would be the opposite.

>>281215798
She is talking about telling everyone what happened, not the cheating per se

>>281216269
She thought Rich, handsome Chad only loves her.

Men can't use victimism and violence is a one way trip to game over.
We can at least hate in silence and walk away, right?

>>281216285
Does she need Chad to love only her, though? Can't she just be part of his harem?
I never see the girls in harem anime complaining, and all they get is a whiff of dick.

>>281215673 (OP)
cheating is a deal breaker for any normal person

>>281216305
>cups, how do they work?

If you take a even a cursory fucking look at the manga, the cheating is bad sure but it's the standing back while the guy turns the entire school against the kid with a bunch of lies and slander that earns her a place in Hell. That said on one hand this shit is so ridiculous as to be unbelievable but then again the faculty all seem to be reasonable and know it's bullshit

>>281215673 (OP)
Low quality bait btw
>Oh no the consequences of my actions boohoo
>I mean I DID ruin everything but I don't want to be treated like I did

https://mangadex.org/title/ed858324-c972-4d85-be4e-3287767eb7da/jinsei-gyakuten-uwaki-sare-enzai-wo-kiserareta-ore-ga-gakuen-ichi-no-bishoujo-ni-natsukareru?tab=chapters

Yeah, this is stupid.

>>281216463
i don't think it's the slightest bit sensible. cheating and shit is bad, but she's a kid and that's the stage where they get a semi-free pass to fuck up like this. it's the endless wave of punishment and rebuke that's so comical. i can't take any of it remotely seriously.

No mercy for thots

Funny this manga manage to put an even more evil NTRman and whore CF from a 15 pages Hentai doujin in a idealistic PSA antibullying universe.

Any manga where the NTRman didn't know she had a partner and is disgusted by her and apologizes to the guy he NTRd and they both leave her crying in the rain?

>>281218015
That wouldn't be NTR

>>281215709
If she cheated once in her "youth" she will do it again and will probably fuck the guy anytime he called her even when married

>>281217171
>Revenge porn
>LN source
>Number of comments for only 3 chapters
Good Lord, what a shitshow.

>>281215673 (OP)
>WAAAAAHHHH MY GIRL CHEATED ON ME
>But she's gonna regret it, she'll see
There's a point when revenge shit at least has to have a degree of good writing to not look like the ramblings of an incel. There's slightly better shit than does a better work than this trash. I feel second-hand embarrassment while reading this, and I can see why he got cucked by her 3DPD.

>>281219390
The LN summaries are some real Telenovela shit. MC doesn't even seem like he's part of the plot anymore, it's just all about destroying the girl and the playboy in every way possible

>>281215673 (OP)
The most unrealistic part of the story is that she feels guilt at all.

>>281215673 (OP)
Just because you made a "mistake" and apologized for it doesn't mean you deserve forgiveness, nor does it obligate the person you wronged to forgive you.
When someone does something really shitty and malevolent and then tries to make it seem like it's okay because they regret it or apologized for it, that just makes them look even shittier, like they're trying to subvert responsibility for their actions.
The best thing to do in that case would be to own up to what you've done, admit that it was wrong, admit that it was hurtful and not justified in the least, and that you want to make amends for it. Apologize, but never expect forgiveness, and never expect things to go back to the way they were. Apologize not for yourself, but for the person you've hurt.

Dumb bitch deserves to suffer. Not to be tortured, but to suffer the intense regret of her betrayal, and suffer the consequences of it. Hopefully, she uses that experience to become a more honest, genuine person, but she won't ever be able to undo the pain she inflicted. That's a burden she'll have to live with for the rest of her life. She doesn't deserve forgiveness. No one does.

>>281219685
The fact that she even recognized that she did something bad is even more unrealistic.

>>281219705
>Dumb bitch deserves to suffer. Not to be tortured,
Not OP and I agree with everything you said. Unfortunately, the issue here is that this slop cares more about the torture porn than actually delivering a message. It's hugely hypocritical slop.

>>281219705
It absolutely does obligate your forgiveness in Japanese moral law. Show sufficient contrition, and if the injured party won’t forgive you after that THEY’RE in the wrong. Once you learn to recognize moral law in manga and anime you will see it EVERYWHERE, and they will NEVER subvert or deconstruct it, it’s almost HOLY to them.

>>281220002
lmfao damn, the nips really are a backward people.

>>281215673 (OP)
what's the problem with her facing consequences?

>>281220002
fucking really? is this true?

>>281220221
the consequences eventually start outweighing the crime, apparently.

>>281216320
Women hate it when everything is good and stable

>>281219390
WN source actually.

>>281220322
LOL of course. The pipline persists.

>>281219390
whats the revenge porn part of it?

>>281220516
Even the girl's family hate her because they liked the MC. Everyone in the story keeps dogpiling on her for having hurt the MC where she eventually wants to kill herself.

Basically, the story feels like it's beating a dead horse after awhile.

>>281220251
How?
>cheat because horny and don't even love chad, Chad doesn't love you too and saw you only as a fuck buddy.
>get exposed as a liying bully whore, got bullying back
>cheat when your mom have trauma from cheaters, she disown you
>make your ex almost kill himself, got sued

>>281220516
Maybe for Otaku-kun
MC didn't do shit, even his new gf do more damage to the whore than him.

>>281216954
Reminds me of Onanie Master Kurosawa. Dude confessed what he did even after getting off scott free, accepted the bullying he received, and then came out the other end as a more resilient person for it.

>>281220678
>bullying someone into suicide after 2 days is bad, m'kay (didn't actually orchestrate or intend it. she was culpable on grounds of passivity)
>here, let's bully you even harder, longer so you can also commit suicide. also your entire support group is cut off because they liked the other guy more
let's not pretend there's any nuance here. the whole point of this manga is to dogpile the "NTR" couple. it was never intended to be balanced. that's why the author even gave the girl a semblance of guilt. it not only makes her look stupider, but that it makes it easier to make her suffer.

>>281220192
How is that backwards? If people were overly unforgiving then no one would own up to their behavior. Forgiveness is a virtue, just as much as self-accountability.

>>281216269
>>281216285
>>281216320
She didn't love chad
She wanted to fuck a hot guy and having a loving stable bf too (she told herself this was only for her HS years, cute bf for the day, chad dick for the night, when she will be old enough she can stop fucking chad and marry the cuck)
She even hope MC is so cucked and weak he will forgive her when she returns years and hundred of cocks later in their college days.
What she didn't know is Chad being a psycho who went full on destroy MC life, making her irredeemable and MC finding a cuter girl that fast.

>>281220677
that sounds like slightly exaggerated reactions but still natural ones since she apparently framed him as an abusive bf

>>281216113
>However, acting like you're personally wronged when a female character cheats on another character and wanting them to die for it is mentally ill.
The Bible says whores should be stoned to death

wait are people angry because cheating has actual consequences for the woman instead of being a cheap ntr manga scenario?

>>281221336
It was NTRman's idea, but she went along with it and kept telling herself that she didn't do anything wrong. Then she got super angry MC started hanging out with a different girl after all of this happened.

>>281221149
Women don’t think like that. She wants the chad, but wants to be able to fall back on a safe option in the likely situation that she’s unable to take the chad for herself. She would only regret it if she got caught, but regret it even more if she didn’t try to upgrade to a chad.

>>281221336
She never directly framed him. She just let it happen because she's weak, dependent parasite. A lot of the hate is justified, but her sick, dying mother curses her on her deathbed. That's hilariously grim.

>>281220677
In this case I think the guy's family helped her get a job after her husband cheated and abandoned them too, basically her kid did the same as her dad

>>281219705
>Hopefully, she uses that experience to become a more honest, genuine person, but she won't ever be able to undo the pain she inflicted. That's a burden she'll have to live with for the rest of her life. She doesn't deserve forgiveness. No one does.

In the WN she apparently gets shit on so much that it drives her to suicide, and even that doesn't prevent people from shitting on her some more, lmao. They just call her a selfish bitch for trying to run away, like they had nothing to do with it.

>>281221622
Think the manga might tone it down to a more believable level?

>>281221647
lol anon did you see the chapters released so far?

>>281221427
>wait are people angry because cheating has actual consequences for the woman
The issue is that the consequences are too hamfisted and repetitive for a naive, weak-minded idiot. It would be a different story if she was a mustache twirler like the NTRguy.

>>281219520
suzuki is kinda cool. maybe female mangaka are better at writing romcoms after all

>>281215673 (OP)
We're here for the escapism, not to see realistic depictions of w*men.

>>281219712
Realisticslly, women can't take accountability.

Is this the one with the otaku friend who is basically Batman? I remember enjoying the novel summaries.

>>281221811
I think the friend who helps the MC out is the otaku guy that NTRman cucked in the past. Which makes things extra satisfying.

>>281215673 (OP)
Why have there been so many incel ragebait manga in the last few years? Is this the new trend?

>>281221622
Wait, she actually kills herself?

>>281222047
Apparently the new girl doesn't let her, mainly because that would be escaping her guilt, she ends up just kind of existing as a thoroughly defeated shell, apparently homeless after her mother dies of shame over her, at that

>>281221398
It also challenges people not to persecute (throw stones) at each other because we're all sinners. Your point is invalid.

>>281222146
>she ends up just kind of existing as a thoroughly defeated shell, apparently homeless after her mother dies of shame over her, at that
That's just fucking cruel if true

>>281221398
The Bible also features a whore that lied about being a virgin and her husband was cucked enough to accept it.

>>281222211
it's genuinely ridiculous according to the posted summaries, like the entire plot is some spider-web of coincidences to further show how horrible NTRguy and his family are and to also shit on the girl, granted she never really takes responsibility for choosing to cheat, there's always an excuse, as well as Otaku Batman as mentioned above

Have you guys actually tries reading good romances

>>281222340
Does NTRguy even suffer at all or is it only on the girl?

>>281217171
JOP here and the title is palpably obvious. It is blatant revenge porn to make the male self-inserters feel good about themselves. The anti-romcom anon here is right, she's a punching bag.

>>281222406
Oh he gets it constantly too, arrested/sued/family shamed and on the way to ruin, one of his previous flings (Otaku Batman's stolen CF) is also out to get him into a legit murder-suicide

>>281215673 (OP)
anon clocked into work for yet another day at the misogyny factory and started wondering why he's surrounded by misogynists

>>281219520
>But she's gonna regret it, she'll see
this doesn't happen though

>>281222146
This is just pathetic, yeah she cheated but obsessing over it as this big a deal is just as cringe as cheating itself. Not every relationship is gonna work out, that's life, move on and let it go. Creating this bizarro world where her entire family and all her friends abandon her over something that is, in the grand scheme of life, totally trivial, is ridiculously asinine and over the top. She wasn't even married to the guy, I swear the people that write this shit don't realize/never experienced how tenuous and fleeting teenage relationships are to begin with, they're not something to be taken seriously in the first place.

>>281222794
lol anon this is clearly the author's bizarre revenge fantasy, not real life

>>281215673 (OP)
Because the "mistake" is always undeserved outright betrayal of the person who has done the most for them and has spent the most time with them. These are the types of women who destroy whole communities with their selfishness and lack of impulse control.

>>281216284
No she's not. It very clearly conveys that the woman in her whispered otherwise about her being destined to be with Eiji, that's why it has such a devious look on its face. Her conscious mind is the one that feels like she needs to confess, her subconscious desired whoring around forever.

>>281216357
All cups are unique

>>281222850
That would explain why the MC doesn't actually do anything himself and instead it's basically "the universe" in the form of his associates and new girlfriend who handle everything for him. Because god forbid he get revenge himself with his own hands. Even that would've been more respectable than the stuff that goes on in this tripe.

>>281223093
>Even that would've been more respectable than the stuff that goes on in this tripe.
I actually think it's funny, the guy was so pathetic that he didn't notice his GF was horny, he's a pathetic beta that can't stand up for himself and had to get everything solved by everyone else.

She was a bitch tho

>>281223093
Actually, there is a deliberate reason why MC cannot get involved. The author seems to have some business acumen for how his readers think. If the MC was involved, the author could not possible get away with bullying the cheating gf as he has been. Otherwise, that would make MC a conscious player who sees her pain and chooses to ignore it. Now, he's in the same position that the gf was in when she just let everyone else bully him for 2 days. And that's no bueno. No more high ground.

welp looks like I was right people are pissy because the woman suffers and the normal guy doesn't cry in a corner like a crappy ntr manga

>>281223299
Eh the dude could actually stand up for himself rather than quiver and whimper in self pity. Honestly what woman would want such a pathetic guy? I can't really blame the woman for cheating on such a feckless loser.

>>281223417
It's more that the guy does nothing to attain his own revenge, the universe magically destroys the girl and NTRman for him, and the entire thing just seems like a contrived revenge fantasy that disproportionately places a level of blame and guilt on the girl that is equivalent to that of a mass murderer. People are not going to disown a friend or an acquaintance, let alone a family member, over something like cheating in a teenagers relationship.

The next level of "the writer's barely disguised fetish":

"The writer's barely disguised hookup that fried his brain"

How many of you would actually fight back despite knowing the guy is stronger just by height difference?

>>281223417
>i was right because [unintelligible babble and strawman abound].
people are calling revenge slop out on being slop. nobody cares that a whore gets a commeuppance. switch genders and it would just as stupid.

>>281223417
>he normal guy doesn't cry in a corner like a crappy ntr manga
but he does lmfao.
someone else has to do all the work because the manga isnt about him. it's about making the ntrfags suffer as much as possible, which would be fine if the girl was actually evil instead of being fucking stupid lol

>>281223485
good job proving my point

Something tells me the author got cheated on and this is his outlet.

>>281223554
The girl is evil though. She knows she's in the wrong but is selfish.

>>281223485
What she did is way worse than cheating, especially in a shame-based culture like Japan. But you know this and are just fishing for (You)s, so here's one.

>>281223485
>People are not going to disown a friend or an acquaintance, let alone a family member, over something like cheating in a teenagers relationship.
Unless the cheated guy has powerful family and friends which I think is what happens here because his granpa was the Mayor's friend who loves the MC as his own grandson and the new girl is filthy rich.

Never mess with nepobabies man

>>281223603
evil people don't care to think they're wrong or lament for a second that they're wrong. when people think this way, hurt themselves, and still continue, we call them fucking stupid.

>>281223622
Nobody would give a fuck about a teenaged girl cheating on her boyfriend, dude. I swear people who write this shit have never stepped outside of their own house past high school, if that. No one cares about this stuff, breakups happen all the time and so does cheating, it's not some incredible, unbelievably evil crime, it's just teenagers being horny retards.

>>281223731
imo, the bullying is worse than the cheating.

but as a grown man, i'd just call her a dumbass and move on with my life. that level of investment into child's play ain't worth it. they'll get over it in less than a year.

>>281223731
Are you an orphan or something? The family of the victim would and mob mentality is a thing as proved by the literal first chapter

>>281215673 (OP)
It's common for anything related to betrayal. Happened with Karyl from princess connect, obviously it'd happen to some girl in a story centered around getting revenge.

>>281223841
>The family of the victim
lol
lmao
Victim, seriously? His g/f cheated, she didn't kill him or chop his arm off or something. Happens all the time and anybody with half a brain or an ounce of maturity would just shrug their shoulders and move on. Family and friends would say "yeah that sucks man, what a whore" and that would be that. The only person who does anything resembling actually fucked up shit in this story is NTRman, and even that could've been solved with no major issues if the MC wasn't such a limp wristed faggot about everything.

>>281223920
How many people have you cheated on?

>>281223920
damn this bitch is projecting a lot in multiple posts

>>281223920
>Seething w*man
Hahahaha, my bad.

>>281223731
The story seems to be punishing her more for framing her ex for stalking and abuse. She made him out to be a criminal and that's why he was almost bullied to suicide by their classmates.

>>281223731
>>281223920
Did you forget the part where he was framed as an abuser? That not exactly something many teens go through and expected to just "deal with".

>>281223951
Everyone cheats, dude, it's just that most people are savvy enough not to get caught.

>>281224086
If he had just stood up for himself he would've been fine. Instead he just cries and feels sorry for himself over his g/f being a whore. It's entirely his own fault for being so emotionally invested in a fleeting teenage relationship to begin with.

>>281224239
>if he just stood up for himself he would be fine!
God you're so fucking retarded.

>>281224292
The fact you think having a backbone is "retarded" simply shows you are the kind of weakling mangas like this are targeted towards, since the idea of actually fighting back and winning is alien to your self pitying and passive ass.

>>281224239
See, there's your problem, you're trying to justify your disloyalty by belittling the feelings of your victims because personal responsibility and self-reflection are too painful for you.

>>281224341
>Victims
lol
lmao
Yeah dude that pussy will never be the same, no wait actually if you never know about it you won't notice or care at all, and no harm is done. Cheating is only "harmful" because people turn it into a much bigger deal than it actually is, pussy doesn't magically turn radioactive if some other guy fucks it.

>>281224340
They could've gotten him arrested. They put actual injuries on the girl's arm to make the abuse seem real.

>>281224239
>If he had just stood up for himself he would've been fine.
Not in this specific contrived instance. The combined social clout of those two plus the pictures of bruises passed around as evidence shuts down anything he can say as a defence.

>>281224340
Thanks for confirming you're retarded my man.

>>281224363
If you were capable of making emotional connections with people you'd understand why literally reducing relationships into the interactions of mere material objects is bad and offensive to everyone involved.

>>281215673 (OP)
what the fuck kind of writing is this Christ almighty

>>281224453
That's a woman

>>281224340
its funny how there are many ways to criticize this slop but you're barking up in all the absolutely wrong ones

>>281215673 (OP)
While she does deserve what happens to her at first it does reach a point of being where it feels like she has suffered enough and paid for her crimes. The story feeling like it switches from the MC overcoming the terrible events that happened to him to making all of the bad people pay felt over the top since she basically is the real main character.

>>281224453
You are the one blowing up a trivial, non important issue into this life defining thing. If cheating is so "terrible" why is it that relationships endure just fine as long as nobody finds out? It doesn't actually fracture anything on a fundamental level, it is peoples overblown reactions to it that are the real source of problems.

>>281224416
>okay, then let's take this to court. since I'm such an abusive asshole, there must be mountains of evidence you can use against me. well, chop chop, let's go!

MC had an easy way to shut down all the gossipy retard classmates, but he's a beta bitch, so of course he won't do shit

>>281224953
It's easy to do shit about bullies in the Land Of The Free, from litigation to school administrators that will actually get off their ass to deal with it (only because their jobs are at risk) to simply beating the shit out of your tormentors yourself, but perhaps in Japan they are all such pussified and beaten down serfs they can't even imagine fighting back in any way when shit like that happens to them. Would explain why so many mangas portray bullying as this unstoppable, elemental force, anyway.

>>281225015
>It's easy to do shit about bullies in the Land Of The Free, from litigation to school administrators that will actually get off their ass to deal with it (only because their jobs are at risk) to simply beating the shit out of your tormentors yourself
I would believe you if not for all the school shootings proving you wrong

>>281224906
They endure because no one finds out in that case. Both of them still trust the other and have no reason to think they've been betrayed. So it endures. What are you even asking? Are you wondering why lying is effective?

>>281225055
School shootings are a direct result of all the kids on prescription drugs, particularly SSRIs, I mean for fucks sake 80-90% of the shooters have been on that shit starting all the way back with Klebold and Harris. Funny how mass shootings were never a thing until those behavior modifying drugs were introduced and used on teenaged males, even though guns were just as and in fact more prevalent in the preceding decades.

>>281225093
You are inherently admitting my point, the sex doesn't degrade in quality, the relationship stays stable, everyone is happy and no one cares, the fact that your lovers dick or pussy had contact with another dick or pussy does not, in fact, inherently change the nature and quality of your relationship. Only finding out about it, and subsequently freaking out about it does.

>>281224906
>If cheating is so "terrible" why is it that relationships endure just fine as long as nobody finds out?
They don't. Cheating happens because the relationship is already fucked.
>It doesn't actually fracture anything on a fundamental level
Monogamy and fidelity IS fundamental.

>>281215709
cheaters deserve everything that comes to them

>>281225153
Yes, humans have emotions and they react based off of their emotions. My point is that those emotions are important and worth caring about. That you don't agree is very unfortunate for you and the people you pretend to care about.

>>281225180
>The appearance and perception of monogamy and fidelity is fundamental
Fixed that for you.

>>281223299
your post and image dont match up tardkun

>>281216954
I think I hate simps like OP most of all

>>281224906
you'll get it when you grow up

>>281225222
I'm just realistic. I've seen enough shit and know enough shit to realize the idealistic always faithful stuff is a pipe dream for the vast majority of couples, especially if they spend any major time apart. For one example, I remember talking to an older counselor I knew who did his practice in the 60s-70s, so the supposedly "moral" stage of America and he told me that 80-90% of the women he talked to would tell him something along the lines of "I have 5 kids only 2 of them are my husbands". Happened so much he concluded it was just part and parcel of life, and mind you these were happily married couples that raised their kids in a stable and good environment for the whole marriage.

The reality is that most people if given time and opportunity will cheat, because it's the physiological natural thing to do. Destroying a long term relationship because of that truth and an unwise clinging to an idealistic, out of touch with reality idea that everyone must be pure and perfectly loyal forever is just not workable in the real world.

>>281225349
You're clearly underage man.>>281225349

>>281225391
Ah yes, because teenagers will have greater restraint and self control than adults. Wait, no, it just makes it that much more likely they'll cheat since they are even less in control than adults who do it all the time as well.

>>281223488
Better to die on your feet than live on your knees

I just opened this thread and it's as much of a shitfest as one might imagine.
>>281225153
>>281224906
>>281224363
>>281224239
Either you're a womxn, a cuck, a redditor, or just a master baiter(lol). If this is just bait, well done. If this isn't bait, I'll knock up your gf with my Big Chinese Cock so that you can enjoy your "healthy relationship" of being cheated on.

>>281225015
Agreed. I beat the shit out of tons of kids in middle school who tried to pick on me. They typically outnumbered me or were much larger than me, but if you punch them in the face and smash their shit in front of everybody, they'll quickly lose their will to fight. No one picked on me since then.

>>281225349
This post reeks of Judaism.

>>281225517
Maybe the Japanese have simply forgotten that violence in response to violence is a viable and effective strategy.

>>281225546
I mean, said counselor was from New York in that era so a bit, I guess.

>>281225231
No need to project your crab bucket defeatism. Faithful couples exist, I'm sorry doomposters or your parents made you think otherwise.

>>281225600
This sounds reasonable. Post-WW2 japanese culture (from my perspective as a non-nip) seems to have gone overboard on demonizing violence. Probably bc the Japanese don't have that many threats, foreign or domestic.

>>281215673 (OP)
I never get too involved in this kind of discourse because I would be a hypocrite
>irl friend tells me he cheated on his girlfriend
>”well, uh, that sucks dude. sorry to hear that”
Like yeah it was stupid to give him condolences like he’s a victim. But on the other hand what ARE you supposed to say to that?

>>281225624
Urban areas have always been cesspools of degeneracy, so that counselor's claim makes sense actually. However, America as a whole is no where near as bad as New York City though.

>>281225650
Of course faithful couples exist. I'm not saying they don't. I'm just saying pretending that they are this incredible ideal that must be strived for at all costs and if someone cheats once or twice, the relationship is irrevocably over, is hyperbolic nonsense. Most people don't have the self restraint to avoid cheating given the right circumstances, and those circumstances are largely going to be out of your hands in many cases.

For example, the most successful marriages, statistically, are those where the marriage partners both work together, like in a self owned business, because they are together almost 24/7. However, most couples don't have that kind of setup or luxury, and if they spend significant time away from each other at work or at home, the odds of a chance encounter happening that they engage in massively skyrocket.

Now, again, being faithful is ideal, but shit happens, and going back to my earlier example, those marriages where a third or more of the kids weren't the fathers, do you think that family, that husband, and those kids would've been better or worse off if the husband had found out, and divorced his wife? The economic fallout, the emotional fallout, and especially the effect on the kids, would be terrible. But the father doesn't find out, the marriage stays happy and successful, the kids reap the benefits of being in a stable two parent household, and everyone is happy. Why would that result be less desirable than the other one? Ideals are nice and all, but when you look at actual cause and effect, they have to be compromised with in order for things to reach better conclusions in life.

>>281225718
Coincidentally Japan has the lowest rate of men in the world who say they would be willing to fight for their country if an invasion occurs. 11%, as I recall, which is astonishingly low. So even in worst case scenario only a tenth of Japanese men would be willing to fight. Pretty grim.

>>281225349
I'd expect women who are getting counseling and married to have been unhappy enough to cheat. Cheating can also just happen for no real reason at all. But none of this doesn't change what I'm saying, or address it.

>>281215673 (OP)
is there really only three chapters of the manga out now?

>>281225793
Considering 80% of Americans live in urban areas VS rural I'd say that "as a whole" would more accurately be the urban areas instead of the rural areas, though.

>>281225825
Everyone involved except the wife would probably be better off and divorce lawyers would be making more money. You're assuming a perfect relationship that just so happens to have infidelity, but much more likely there's going to be serious emotional abuse and neglect going on behind the scene.

>>281225825
NTA, but imo the main thing that significantly increases a woman's chance of cheating is if she has a job (excluding a self owned business ofc). Despite the common belief about women cheating with the mailman, most of the times I hear women having affairs irl, it's with colleagues from their workplace. In a traditional family with a stay-at-home wife, the chance of cheating goes way down AND the children have a present mother to take care of them. Just my 2 cents.

All of you are retarded.

Cheating is bad, but also it’s something that should fundamentally remain in someone’s confidential private life and losing all of your friends over it is unrealistic and ridiculous.

>>281225946
Why do you assume people have to be emotionally damaged or abused in order to cheat? That's a pretty ridiculous statement to make, humans are incredibly sexual beings and if put in the right circumstances 90% of them are going to go for it in the moment. That doesn't make it morally correct but it is the truth of the matter, you don't have to be some fucked up person to cheat, you just have to be put in the right place at the right time (or wrong place at the wrong time, depending on your perspective).

>>281225988
It's not only cheating they tried to ruin his life speedreader

>>281225896
When I stated urban areas, I was excluding the suburbs. For example, Long Island is considered by some to be "urban" bc it's developed, but it does not have the population density of a true urban area. Same think for Orange County on the west coast.

>>281225793
>>281225896
I live in a semi-rural area and I constantly see drugged out homeless guys living in abandoned buildings. Rural America has its problems. And yes I do live in Indiana

>>281225967
Yeah but how many households are going to be able to afford to have the woman stay at home with the kids? That's just not a realistic solution in todays economy for the vast majority of couples.

>>281225825
yeah nah breaking the trust should be a deal breaker. if they cheat they arent the ones. goes for both genders.

>>281225988
Part of the plot of this manga is that the cf falsely claimed the mc abused her. It very much became a public thing after that. Is the response unrealistic? Maybe. but she got caught lying about abuse, lies that led to direct bullying of the mc including property damage.

>>281226027
That counselor WAS from Long Island, though. I don't think you can really claim suburbs aren't urban, if anything I think infidelity and all the stuff we're talking about is MORE frequent there if anything.

>>281219675
Nah, he's still a big part of the story. But I wound up skipping all his chapters just to read the revenge ones.

Ultimately it wasn't that satisfying, because the revenge was too far, like the whole city was under the control of a girl that liked him, so her grandfather massively abused his power to fuck over the wife and the cheater.

>>281226018
>speedreader
Joke’s on you for thinking I read it in the first place

>>281225850
Damn, that's actually pretty grim. They'd probably become a Chinese vassal state in months if the US left.

>>281226008
I think you have to be morally compromised. I'm referring to the emotional abuse towards the person who's being cheated on. A lot of things would have to be going right for things to be perfectly kept under the rug.

>>281226030
If they even are on drugs, rural areas have been hit the hardest by the changes in the job market and tons of men in those areas simply have no viable employment so they all end up on the streets. A lot of them starve to death, too, but that's put down as a "suicide" which is why rural suicide rates among men are so high in America.

>>281226030
Damn, just like LA, but without the illegals, degenerates, and high cost of living lol.

>>281226053
You know this is a common theme in manga, does that shit actually happen in Japan? As in, other people fuck with someone over a social issue. Somehow I doubt it, just seems like forced drama for the sake of it.

>>281222850
That's the issue I have with a lot of revenge stories, they get too much into silly fantasy territory.

That's why "Is itmy fault I got bullied!?" is so good. It does veer slightly into perfect fantasy revenge at times, but it's never too much, and just has a really satisfying ending and conclusion.

>>281226076
>A lot of things would have to be going right
Not really, no, the person who cheated would just have to not talk about it and 9 times out of 10 they're perfectly fine, if not more.

>>281226131
Yeah, okay, whatever you say. As if people live in a vacuum and can't gossip.

>>281226034
Depends on where you live. Developed Asia? Coastal California? NYC metro? Yeah, agreed. However, there are still plenty of areas with good jobs and relatively affordable housing outside of the overpriced regions where a family can still live comfortably on a single income. It's mainly that women have been indoctrinated from a young age to think that they HAVE to get a career and be a "boss girl".

>>281226106
>without the illegals
Does he know?

>>281226202
Sorry, let me correct myself.
>*without as many illegals.

>>281226188
A lot of cheating happens in separated social circles though, if your wife cheats on you with a dude at work it's never going to reach your ears since you do not know or associate with any of the people who may be aware of it.

>>281226131
By that logic, I can dress up in a dinosaur costume with the crotch area cut out, head out every night to rape men, women, children, and livestock, and it will be okay as long as no one finda out.

>>281226199
Nah it's just the straight up economic reality, especially if you want a house, a dual income is practically a necessity. I mean at this point you're starting to have dudes move in with each other just to save money on rent, pretty soon we'll be Mexico tier with 5-6 guys per apartment room just to afford housing. Wages for labor are only going to go down with the increase in automation.

>this thread
Men are statistically more likely to cheat than women

>>281226235
I literally know of cases where a wife cheated on someone in her workplace and it made its way into the husband's ear.

>>281226263
The fact you are trying to portray rape as being on the same level of moral equivalence as cheating is pretty funny.

>>281226272
And I know of many cases where a woman cheated on her husband at her workplace and it never reached his ears. Personal anecdotes do not change the fundamental reality either way. It's certainly possible you could get caught, but the reality is most of the time the cheater will get away with it.

>>281226264
Get a degree in something useful rather than liberal arts, invest your savings, and be more frugal with your spending. If one does so, I have no doubt that person would be able to support a family on a single income in the suburbs of some inland state. It may not be as nice as your parents had it, but it will still be comfortable enough.

A study by the Kinsey Institute found that 23% of men and 19% of women have engaged in infidelity. For married couples, the General Social Survey (GSS) found that 20% of men and 13% of women admitted to cheating, according to PR Newswire

You guys are acting like women are more predisposed to cheating than men and it’s really weird

>>281226341
The reality is that you're making shit up to fit your needs for the argument.

>is cheating bad?
yes
>can it lead to some level of ridicule of the person being cheated on by a subset of people?
yes
>can it lead to some tertiary relationships [friends/family] to sour?
yes
>can the person who cheated be shunned by a subset of people?
yes
>are the above points too blown out of proportion in the manga?
yes
>is the cheating the ONLY thing that happened in the manga?
no
>considering all the other actions done, is it still too blown out of proportion?
mostly yes
>could a story of this kind be interesting if written well and there were likeable developed characters?
yes
>is this manga written well?
no
>are the characters developed?
no
>is this slop?
yes

>>281218015
No, but what you said reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQsMp4Oo6xM
It's not anime, but it is Japanese and it's about a woman who wants to leave her loving soon-to-be-husband for a man who has a longer candy than him.

>>281226365
Delusional. Fucking Engineers are losing their jobs to H1B visa pajeets, plus AI, and you think "getting the right degree" is gonna save you? Please.

>>281226367
>admitted to cheating
>admitted

>>281226385
No, I'm not. Cheating is much more commonplace than you think. Sorry not sorry if that bothers you so much.

>>281225793
Ahem
>A closer look at America's infidelity map reveals where cheating is most prevalent. A 2023 survey by Solitaire Bliss, which polled nearly 2,000 people, found Texas, Alabama, and Nebraska to be the top states for infidelity. Additionally, data from Ashley Madison highlights Columbus, Ohio, and the Florida cities of Miami and Orlando as having the highest rates of unfaithful partners.
Nebraska, famous for being an urban area apparently
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/infidelity-statistics-us-tops-the-cheating-charts-while-31-of-affairs-involve-a-co-worker-302241988.html

>>281226423
Sounds like a skill issue to me. Maybe don't jump head first into oversaturated software-shit fields that can be easily outsourced to rajesh. Hell, you could even work in the trades as well. You black pillers are cancer wherever you go. The reason you are stuck in your mother's basement sobbing on your cuckchair is mostly because you are a loser who gives up easily. Get a job.

>>281226559
Ignoring the overall reality of Americas labor market because of personal circumstances is the height of stupidity.

>>281226465
Nice “study”. Now can you show the class the sample population?

>>281226588
I'm not ignoring it. I'm just pointing out that there are solutions to these problems while you insist that the problems can't be overcome.

>>281226268
>>281226367

>>281226450
What's the point of a committed relationship then?

>>281226683
As promiscuous as many women are nowadays, this most likely a fake poll with a skewed sample population, just like the retard you replied to.

>>281226633
NTA but even though studies like this are obviously flawed, what else are you supposed to go off of?
Sure you shouldn’t treat this stuff as gospel, but isn’t it worse to uncritically believe random media influencers or politicians trying to push an agends or random people on 4chan or Twitter?

>>281226737
He's just trying to rope people into his sexual fantasies, don't bother.

>>281226883
Reminds me of the recent one i can’t find talking about how women hate men who watch anime more then porn and then turned about and try to say they love blacksmithing and woodworking. Like anyone can say they like the idea of something but I’m sure they would rather you buy a bunch of anime merchandise then try and set up a black smithing forge in the yard or garage

>>281226979
There's an untapped market of stay-at-home forgewives that no one is capitalizing on.

>>281220002
"I'm sorry" isn't contrition for sexual betrayal, and modern people committing modern sins at modern scales can't appeal to any tradition for forgiveness. Go get a wakizashi and a cloth if you want to be that old-fashioned, and maybe then I'll even accept your apology. How ridiculous. It's a mark of civilization that the only consequences for the physical barbarism of adultery are social ones, because everyone sort of knows what the actual consequence for it, the one programmed into your human animal, really is. They feel it.

>>281219705
>Apologize not for yourself, but for the person you've hurt.
Precisely this. An apology isn't a fucking ultimatum in which you unconditionally get everything you want out of somebody or else they're a meanie. That's so narcissistic it's filthy. True contrition is itself unconditional, and it means you're sorry because you SHOULD be sorry, not because the appearance of contrition is a vehicle to get your shit back. Being sorry means you're sorry completely without reference to whether you're forgiven. Actually being sorry means you don't even ask how it advantages you to be sorry and never try to leverage it into an advantage. Oftentimes, it means just accepting that you don't get your shit back and that's fine because you shouldn't. Sometimes you don't even get to come out of it looking good. It's not *for* you, and that's the point.

>>281215673 (OP)
Here's my 2 cents as someone who didn't read the manga. She should be punished and forced to pay an equal amount of suffering as the mc would have endured. I'd personally make her get ostracized and move schools, but not be bullied to the point of suicide. This whole thing reeks of an author trying to make a fictional punching bag.

>>281227143
>This whole thing reeks of an author trying to make a fictional punching bag.
you have a good nose

>>281227143
that's more or less my issue. at some point you end up with torture porn of a high-school freshman. some people might be into that, but i think it's weird and bad writing. it runs counter the anti-bullying narrative that the manga is trying to sell, and becomes "bullying is bad, but only when i'm the victim"

>281215673 (OP)
Bait thread

Shame this isn't a weekly title. The threads would be amazing.

>>281216269
>What, is Chad not lovable as a person?
loving things that don't love you back tends to kill you over time

Fact: No one ITT has ever been cheated on.
Fiction: The premise of this Japanese comic.

>>281221149
She sounds like she deserves death.

>>281223488
>How many of you would actually fight back
I've been in plenty of fights, and haven't won even close to all of them, but here's a tip for underage anons dealing with bullies
Bullies 9 times out of 10 don't actually want to fight. I'm not gonna regurgitate shit like "they're actually weak people!" because I don't think that's true, they're usually just people with poor impulse control. If you punch someone in the fucking face, they're probably going to stop doing what they're doing. After you punch them, they might fuck you up, but at the very least they're going to think you aren't worth the effort. if you're getting bullied and they put their hands on you, what you need to do is resolve yourself to getting hurt one way or the other, then try and inflict as much damage as possible. Win or lose, unless they legitimately enjoy fighting which most people don't, they're going to think twice before fucking with you. And if they roll the dice again, fight them again. Repeat until they pick on someone else

>>281223731
>Nobody would give a fuck about a teenaged girl cheating on her boyfriend
I've cut out plenty of friends for being unfaithful
>>281224239
>Everyone cheats
I've never once cheated, and if any of my friends have cheated they at the very least don't tell me.
I think you're a piece of shit cheater and assume the terrible shit you do is done by everyone. Let me guess, everyone steals too, huh?

>>281225771
>But on the other hand what ARE you supposed to say to that?
>"Why the fuck would you do that? You're a piece of shit"

>>281227743
>Fact: No one ITT has ever been cheated on.
I have
I just cut her off and stopped talking to her. Learned from mutual friends later that the dude who she cheated with me on beat her. Had a bit of a chuckle about that, then moved one. I was alive and functional before her, am alive and functional afterwards. There are 4 billion vaginas in this world, I'm not getting hung up over 1 of them.

Every woman I've ever known personally including family has cheated with only one exception. I've never known a guy who has cheated.

>>281227743
i was cheated on with a good friend of mine in highschool and the bitch had the temerity to threaten me and my family with false abuse charges. she got real quiet when she got threatened with a lawsuit but still bad mouthed me to anyone who would listen. my only saving grace was that no one bought her story because she'd done that before and no one believed i would do what she accused me of.

>>281215673 (OP)
>The protagonist rapes, abuses, tortures, prostitutes, and forces an abortion on his love interest.
>The love interest ends up falling in love with the protagonist because she's mentally broken and believes everyone considers her dirty.
I love happy endings.

>>281217171
Thanks.
Maybe the Japs long detailed titles are a good thing, summarizes the plot and why I shouldn’t pick up the novel/ manga/anime.

>>281223036
sauce?

>>281223417
I don’t mind cheating as a source of drama, but why are Japanese authors so fucking weird about it?
>be ordinary boy with cute gf
>suddenly GIGACHAD THUNDERCOCK comes in and fucks her in front of me
>”b-b-but you can’t cheat on me :0”
>”shut up cuck”
>walks out after cumming
>my girlfriend breaks up with me and i sob in the cuckcage
It all feels so fetish-y caricature of how the real world works. This can’t just be me, right? I rarely see cheating framed this way outside of Japanese media or 4chan shitposting. I think the only time I’ve seen western media frame it like this is in old trashy pulp novels

>>281228727
*feels like a fetish-y caricature

>>281216284
Anon she's referring to the Woman Moment living inside her as a dark entity

I'm hyped up for Otaku Batman bro

>female character is flawed and makes mistakes
>male character is flawed and makes mistakes
Which one is worse?

>>281228398
Oh, hey, that's the one with that literal retard right? Hold my hand or something

>>281228869
Both are the same but anons here will clearly go to bat for the male.

>>281228524
Just search benimura karu

>>281215673 (OP)
I don't know why this shit is hard for you blue pill types to get. If a woman does a massive fuckup (cheating and betrayal is a massive fuckup), then yeah, she is going to be hated for it, JUST LIKE A MAN would. In fact, we do very terrible things to men who betray in real life (and stories reflect it). Women should count their blessings that she got to live. Female positivity bias is putting in some work today.

Just look at any shoelacer plot. What happens to the betraying original party after shoelacer kickout? They get CURB STOMPED when their shoes come off. The men get wrecked and the women either die with them, or go back to the OP shoelacer for harem purposes. And /a/ definitely shits on the shoelacer party for being massive fucking idiots for firing their shoelacer.

>>281216269
>girl isn't happy with Chad
Yeah, that bit isn't realistic. They should be head over heels with Chad, but Chad should be uninterested in them except for boning. Basically the gender flip of all the stories with the boring ass male MC who gets a hot gal/waifu out of the blue - where she's like doing normie stuff and he's like "HOLY SHIT I'M NEXT TO A HOT GIRL I DON'T DESERVE THIS" freaking out.

I hates shoes so much.

>>281223036
>yeah but she omitted all the unprotected orgy sex she had in front of the previous MC.
Still she is not worse than the bitch in this manga. At least she don't have a relationship with MC, and he was a coward little cuck.
Still a whore, so probably will cheat on new bf because "sexual liberation" or some shit.

>>281218015
Ah, there is that one where some dude gets reincarnated into NTRman and tries his best to NOT do NTR. But ends up doing NTR anyway because the dudes around the girls are absolute creeps (stalker types). It didn't have a lot of translated chapters.

>>281228727
Almost as if you're reading trashy pulp novels of the graphic kind

>>281217171
kek how does this trash have so many translations only 3 chapters in.

>>281229318
Ragebait

>>281229190
She did tho, kinda

>>281215673 (OP)
From what I've read in the thread, I think I'll stick with Shield Hero instead. Everything is better with isekai.

>>281215673 (OP)
I read some comment that says that Miyuki's character hits readers harder because she's written more like a classic soap opera style flawed cheater living a conflicted double life instead of a typical defeated by cock NTR heroine. Her POV chapters show how she had several chances to try to salvage the situation and almost took them but her insecurities and pathological fear of abandonment and NTRman preying on them stopped her every time. the part where she participated in the false abuse accusations against Eiji was probably worse than the cheating from a harm standpoint but that was also driven by manipulation and psychological abuse from NTRman.

It gets to a stage though where her POV chapters only seem to exist for DOG FEED ONLY ON SHAME purposes, like the most recent chapter in which her friend who introduced her to NTRman in the first place, was super cosy with NTRman and one of the biggest participants in the bullying calls her up to shit on her for being a terrible friend that tricked her into bullying Eiji and was therefore solely responsible for turning her into a criminal. Like shit man idk maybe self reflect a little it's not like someone put a gun to your head and made you bully the guy. But Miyuki just sits there and stews in her regret instead of calling her out. Or another chapter where Miyuki sits in her bedroom looking through her mementos of 10 years with Eiji, reads her diary entry from when Eiji finally confessed to her about how this was the happiest day in her life (the diary entries stopped after she started her affair because she was too guilty to write anything down) and both feels the need to throw them away because they're too painful and she doesn't deserve them but also can't bring herself to throw them away because they're the only reminder of the time in her life when she was happiest.

>>281229060
Shoelacer stories are also slop and seem like overblown wankfests. What's your point

>>281215673 (OP)
She claims to love the MC, she just wanted to explore her sexuality.
How can she claim she actually loves him if she NEEDS to ride the cock carousel?

>>281229190
>and he was a coward little cuck.
I think the guy's main problem was due his brothers, not the girls.
The girls were just a plot device to show how bad he had at his family.

>>281230176
Because she still doesn't understand that the only she loves is herself.
Her hospitalized mother tells her shit later on.

>>281215673 (OP)
>I cheated but I didn't mean for us to break up and for him to take the fall.
>I'm sorry MC kun, you are getting bullied because of me and called an abuser, but I can't tell the truth because people will rightfully hate me instead of you.
It gets better
>A while after their break up cheater heroine sees MC kun holds hands with the actual heroine(non romantically).
Pic related is her reaction.
The absolute womanity lmao, ain't no way this story isn't some elaborate shitpost from the author.

>>281230014
At a certain point in this series it shifted from feeling like its a story about the MC overcoming the horrible things that happened to him and more to the author still being mad at the people who bullied him in school. Yeah she did deserve to be punished for her actions But its like at a certain point you have to rise above shit they happened or that you did.

>>281223433
there's literally no counter to her argument bro

>>281215673 (OP)
>Make mistakes
Women would have no forgiveness back.
Many women just marry some other man while he's away. Some don't even wait for him to go to war before they start doing that. And instead of reflecting on bringing some other guy into her scheme and using him she only is concerned with her own potential to lose things. Instead of experiencing shame and understanding she deserves worse than to lose she gets treated horribly but thinks deep down she did nothing wrong. And the author makes all of her bullies magically the bad guys here

she thinks she is above consequences

>>281230014
>It's all ntr mans fault
No it wasn't. She was the perpetrator. If the crime was murder she would be jailed as co conspirator. All she had to do was shut her legs

>>281230933
Fuck off you slut.
>>>/tumblr/

>>281230667
Post it.

>>281228948
>>281228869
No mistakes given as an example here.
If we're talking the same as op then I have only one card to play left in my hand
Trap card: name 3

>>281215673 (OP)
>cheated
>made a false claim on his bf after
>due to it, bf gets bullied to the point of suicide
gee I wonder why

>>281222850
>revenge
It's as much revenge as bible's old testament god hurling curses at his puny worshippers who constantly break his rules, while his chosen protagonist doesn't do shit at all.

>>281231182
No I just dont like seeing her surfer this much like if her mom whupped her ass or slapped her around would be better then her looking like she going to drop out and be homeless.

>>281231321
That's exactly the kind of situation men get put in or worse by her actions. She could and should go to prison for false abuse accusations.

From the volume 1 afterword

>This work tackles themes of betrayal and bullying, distilling the darker aspects of human nature. While writing the web version, I received numerous comments specifically about bullying. It’s heartbreaking to see news of young students taking their lives due to bullying several times a year. In the comment sections and even through direct messages on social media, readers shared their personal experiences with bullying—something that must have been incredibly painful to revisit—and teachers struggling to address these issues shared their perspectives as well. Hearing things like, “I wish I’d had teachers like these back in school,” or “This ideal gave me a sense of hope,” made me deeply glad I wrote this story.

>Now, let me talk a bit about this book.

>The idea for this story came to me because many web novels tackling bullying often depict adults as being primarily concerned with self-preservation. I thought, What if I wrote a story where adults acted like responsible adults instead? Combining this with the theme of infidelity, I wanted to create a narrative where the protagonist, utterly broken, could begin to rebuild his life. I surrounded him with sincere friends, family, and teachers who would support and heal him (even though the protagonist himself is practically a saint).

>One character who garnered a significant reaction in the web version was Miyuki, the protagonist’s childhood friend who betrayed him. As a model student, she couldn’t afford to stray from the path, which led her to act out of self-interest. This was exploited by Kondo, the embodiment of malice, who used her to spark a catastrophic cycle of bullying. She’s essentially the story’s hidden protagonist, and the narrative explores how she confronts her guilt. While she’s not quite at that stage yet in this volume, her journey is central to the underlying storyline.

TL;DR
>it's the author's "adults aren't useless" fantasy
>Miyuki is the true MC

>>281215673 (OP)
NTR isn't related to character traits.

>>281231473
>She’s essentially the story’s hidden protagonist, and the narrative explores how she confronts her guilt.
What's the endgame of her suffering then?

>>281231799
>What's the endgame of her suffering then?
The famous haircut of development

>>281232183
>>281231799
Lmao.

>>281215673 (OP)
WOMAN MOMENT

>>281231799
building character?

>>281219520
>But she's gonna regret it, she'll see
True
It's actually worse IRL, with older women having irrational hatred toward younger women, "men, where are you?" moments, and so on.

>>281231265
That's funny. No one ever replied. Its almost like these supposed manga aren't real

>>281215673 (OP)
>>281223488
I do find the fact that he doesn't go after Chad, because Chad is so manly he'd paste the MC in a fight, to be inordinately funny.
That's right Chad, slap the taste out of his mouth. He deserves it for being a bitch.

>>281223488
I would. Guys like that aren't used to people who fight to win. He's used to being able to leaverage his hight and stature to dominate opponents in a brawl. I would fight like a woman. Vital points, the throat, the eyes, the ears, the balls. I would make him regret everything
>>281232332
>You w-wouldnt.
I got expelled for not putting up with this shit.

>>281231799
At this point she's learned her lesson the hard way but all her bridges are burned, her only hope for redemption is probably to move somewhere that nobody knows her and spend the rest of her life trying to be a better person, caring for orphans or becoming a guidance counsellor to save kids from bullying, and possibly someday even find someone new to love. She could even be the heroine of some hypothetical oneshot
>my kind and motherly senpai at work had a dark past as a betraying CF who destroyed her first love and spent the rest of her life atoning

>>281232508
>I got expelled for not putting up with this shit.
Yeah, but did you manage to kick his ass?

>>281232636
All that because she slipped and fell on a dick? Now I know it's fantasy, no-one cares how many people sluts fuck these days, sadly enough.

>>281232636
Those kinds of stories are kino because they are like those crime dramas where the murder convict has to solve the serial killer crime. She can be one step ahead of everyone leaveraging her maladaptive behavior and memories.

>>281232656
They pussied out way before then. Most kids do. I don't let seniors cut me in line either. They learned to just get lunch from a different que

Did the CF whore ever apologized and came clean at least?
Or doe she still think she did nothing wrong like most women?

>>281232681
>no-one cares how many people sluts fuck these days, sadly enough.
We don't really have much of a choice if you want to keep your bloodline alive until the day we fight aaayyys, I'm just waiting for the day artificial wombs get perfected.

>>281232636

>>281232745
She knew she was doing something wrong from the beginning, there were several times when she wanted to break down and beg Eiji for forgiveness including right at the start, but Kondo prevented her and escalated the situation until she felt like she had no choice but to stick with him because she had already lost Eiji and didn't want to lose even more than she had.

>>281230014
>her gazing longingly at her mementos of her relationship with Eiji
>juxtaposed with her giving her virginity to someone else and letting him fuck her on the regular and being so scared of not letting Chad fuck her that she called him a creepy abusive stalker to his face
She is so comically evil in the first chapter that the whole "oh she doesn't actually mean it she's sorry!!" shit rings so hollow. Especially when she blatantly admits that she should have weaponized her tears to try and make him forgive her and she wanted to have her fun and have him stay with her.
She obviously wasn't this sad when she was getting fucked while belittling the MC, but now that she faces any backlash, whoops, now this is sad :(

She literally choose the dick over anything else, the bitch deserves it.

>>281230921
this seems so oddly written. It seems like it wants us to see her as at least some level of a victim, being manipulated by NTRman, but she was so fucking mean and participated directly in everything bad happening to the MC, while also jumping NTRman's bone and clearly being desperate to keep it that way, and then only being sad because now she can't marry him. Wasn't sad when she was badmouthing him during pillow talk after letting some random dude fuck her, no, but now that there are actual consequences, NOW she's sad. And then she sees him with someone else, and she gets angry. She treats the MC like an object even after supposedly coming to the conclusion that she was in the wrong (she doesn't admit her mistake tho).
It's such a weird plot to have a grieving female who constantly maintains that she's sorry for her involvement in mistreating the MC, but participates so readily in said mistreatment, then continues to treat him like an object. It's actually kind of a poignant look at women psychology but I can tell it's not trying to be.

>>281233007
>being so scared of not letting Chad fuck her that she called him a creepy abusive stalker to his face
Based on her POV she was basically panicking at that point because after she saw how horrified Eiji was she thought she was basically dead to him already. If she had more time to think straight she would probably have tried to apologize, did her best to salvage their relationship and probably left Kondo behind, but Kondo threatening to cut her off right then and there and forcing her to choose on the spot drove her to cling to him desperately for what she thought would be a more certain source of comfort rather than risk losing them both. Obviously she was wrong but Kondo was also manipulating her fear of abandonment which was easy with a dumb teenage girl with little relationship experience and no father figure.

>>281232962
in other words no, she didn't think what she did was wrong. she acted selfishly till the end and continued to ruin other peoples lives rather than face the consequences of her actions (IE ACCOUNTABILITY AND REASON)

>>281232962
>but Kondo prevented her and escalated the situation
like when she gave him her virginity and she felt bad, so she fucked him again immediately after?

>>281233141
Sounds like a typical modern woman, nothing oddly about her

>>281233182
>Based on her POV she was basically panicking at that point because after she saw how horrified Eiji was she thought she was basically dead to him already.
so what?
shes the one who killed that relationship

She is a horrible person, not sure why some readers feel sorry about her, nothing redeemable about her.

>>281233182
>after having sex with someone else repeatedly, and literally in the middle of going to do it again, she was panicking, and THAT'S why she chose the dude who just punched the love of her life in the face. She was totally just shocked and defaulted to the man who was violent and shitty and she claims to not actually have feelings for
stop trying to make this NTRmans fault. She did all of this shit herself.

>>281228066
If they're getting bullied then they deserve it.

>>281233141
>but she was so fucking mean and participated directly in everything bad happening to the MC
She wasn't a willing or that active a participant, NTRman basically created a fait accompli by getting all the rumors out ahead of time behind her back and then blackmailed her into keeping silent by saying she was already an accomplice and would go down with the ship if the truth came out.

>while also jumping NTRman's bone and clearly being desperate to keep it that way, and then only being sad because now she can't marry him.
She was mostly desperate to keep NTRman because she was depressed about losing her CF and thought NTRman was the only one left who would show her any affection, after she finally accepts that she's just a side hustle to him she pretty much cuts him out of her life straight away (when she did this he rightfully called her a menhera bitch).
Calling NTRman over to a love hotel to spend all day skipping school having depressed rebound sex was weird though

The very fact that Miyuki's character provokes this much discussion, far more than most typical betraying CFs who get defeated by NTR cock, means that the author has already won.

>>281233300
>she was already an accomplice and would go down with the ship if the truth came out.
So, she cares more about herself and her reputation than the person she supposedly loves so dearly. She cares about him enough to think about it and feel like almost crying, but doesn't care enough to actually face the music for what SHE did.
>she ahctually chose NTRman over her CF like 10 seconds after being found out and NTRman physically assaulting him because she instantly knew it was over, so she might as well just keep fucking him repeatedly, and even after this all happened!
yeah anon this is not a good defense, I think she's still a God awful terrible person, and I think panicking and choosing him actually says more about her being bad than any kind of a defense. So, before being able to think at all, she chose the comfort of his cock over ANY attempt, even just simply saying sorry, to reconcile someone who supposedly made her happy? Of course this is all after letting him fuck her many times before this event. Obviously had plenty of time to think, especially after their and specifically her first time ever having sex when she felt bad and then immediately fucked him again.

>>281233391
>Miyuki's character provokes this much discussion
she is a comically evil worthless bitch, but there's some panels of her crying and if a woman cries about anything ever then they're innocent.
This isn't some profound character dissection, it's retards trying to take all agency away from women's actions to explain how it wasn't really her fault she was kept having sex with someone other than her boyfriend. The idea that women get forgiven for all kinds of heinous shit by virtue of being women has been discussed 100's of times for hundreds of years predating us, and I fear will continue to be discussed long after we're dead.

>>281233391
Meanwhile Miyahara is getting axed next chapter. Anti CF authors won.

>>281221458
This. I get that woman-hating incels can be icky but at least they know more of what they're talking about than the full-time male feminists (who are ironically also incels) I see so often here. This character is actually written quite realistically up until the consequences of her actions start catching up to her, at which point the author just turned it into misery porn.

>>281233468
>Miyahara is getting axed next chapter
please tell me you're lying

>>281233499
https://x.com/obiyamidori/status/1951116404327063649

>>281233300
>She wasn't a willing or that active a participant,
regretting sex you had doesn't make it rape roastoid.

>>281233521
NOOOOO

>>281233300
>She was mostly desperate to keep NTRman because she was depressed about losing her CF and thought NTRman was the only one left who would show her any affection,
>MEMEMEMEMEME MY AFFECTION MY LOVE MY BEST SELF MEE!

>>281233483
incel has gone past my attempts to beat it into your female empty skull that they don't really exist because men can get sex as easy as paying for it, but nowadays most women who say incel are saying it to married men who have children so at this point incel just means "someone who doesn't wespect waman that I want to imagine his wife doesnt actually fuck him, surely they adopted that kid right? theyre so disgusting!!!!"

as bad as women are, I am still continually surprised the incel meme is reaching this level of stupidity. it became self inflicted by men but like all big spenders women are inflating the hell out of its meaning of the word.

>>281233549
Sounds like accurate depiction of modern woman.

>>281233419
Well yeah, I didn't say she was a good person, she's a fundamentally flawed and selfish person who tried to live a double life, made shitty choices albeit many of them made on the spur of the moment in panic, and got burned for it. I just disagree that she was such an enthusiastic participant in everything that happened to her CF. Also I don't think losing all her friends, having her mom call her a whore and disown her, becoming homeless, getting suspended and possibly expelled and losing her entire future is a proportionate karmic response to her cheating on her boyfriend.

>>281233468
>>281233499
It was kinda getting stale, the writer's other cf series is better anyway

Reading Miyuki POV chapters is an absolute trip
She herself is confused as to why the hell she said all those retarded things to Eiji and desperate to apologize and try to save him, but at the same time she's constantly hallucinating her inner woman moment as an anthropomorphic personification voice in her head telling her to keep fucking NTRman, and also calling her a betraying whore who destroyed everything she loved and all the happiness she ever had and mocking her for thinking NTRman ever cared about her in the slightest.

>>281233734
She literally consented to the rumor that her short haired friend ended up spreading around the school. How did you read the first chapter without recognizing that the CF was an active and willing participant in his bullying?? Are you fucking retarded

>>281233467
I think it's also the fact that she at least develops the self awareness to understand that she was being a selfish whore, but the trauma conga line of the universe repeatedly shitting on her just keeps on going well beyond that point. At some stage it just starts becoming pitybait and one wonders why she is even still getting POVs.

>>281233734
>I just disagree that she was such an enthusiastic participant in everything that happened to her
she literally participated. if the crime where murder she would be going to jail.
>>281224416
>miyuki wouldn't LIE
doesnt sound like she was just picking another guy to fuck. sounds like she was using this guy as a scapegoat to cover for her own crimes.

>>281233734
>enthusiastic participant
I didn't say enthusiastic, I said active.
She could have stopped the bullying at any point, and did not.
She called him a creepy stalker and sat there and did nothing when he got punched.
She fucked the dude and continued fucking him.
Everything bad that happened to the MC happened because of her and all the things could have stopped had she accepted responsibility and sacrificed anything for his well being. She chose not to every time.
>I don't think losing all her friends, having her mom call her a whore and disown her, becoming homeless, getting suspended and possibly expelled and losing her entire future is a proportionate karmic response to her cheating on her boyfriend
honestly if it was JUST cheating, I'd agree. But it's past just cheating at this point. She's an active participant in NTRmans mustache twirling plan to ruin the MC's life, and at that point I think she deserves it.
I can even justify almost each act and specify why she deserves it
>losing all her friends
she lied to each and every one of them to weaponize them against the MC. Yeah, yeah, it was ntrman who lied, but she didn't correct the situation which is a lie by omission. If my friend lied to me to get me to attack and harass an innocent person, I would also stop being their friend.
>having her mom call her a whore
she IS a whore
>becoming homeless
well, this one is a bit much
>getting suspended and possibly expelled
she almost drove a student to suicide with her lies, that is a perfectly proportionate response
>losing her entire future
well, I actually think that is one of the most poignant karmic justice of the bunch. The entire situation started because she focused more on contemporary momentary pleasures as opposed to her CF she was actually in love with. She chose pleasure NOW over happiness LATER. She literally forsook her own future.
so, like 80% of the shit that happens is completely her own fault and perfectly thematically appropriate.

>>281233835
I am not sure what is worse, the idea that an author thinks no one will accept that a woman could behave this way without evil intrusive and otherworldly thoughts, or the idea that people might really not believe it without it.

>>281233866
She was under duress because Kondo spread them first and then blackmailed her to keep silent. If someone asked her about them she confirmed them, but she never went out of her way to tell people or actually do any of the bullying herself. Obviously she should have spoken up when she saw how bad things were becoming but she was too selfish to do so, which she recognized later on. But if anything her short haired friend was worse than her since she never developed any self awareness.

>>281233746
>getting stale
it was sweet as fuck and I had only recently learned about it. I hope the ending is nice and I hope he ends up with Miyahara

>>281215697
>OP is flawed and makes faggoty mistakes
>everyone hates his guts and wishes he to be tortured forever
Why is this so common?

>>281233904
>>becoming homeless
>well, this one is a bit much
its really not. this is the kind of thing her actions cause men all the time.

>>281233917

>>281233925
>she didn't participate because she didn't want to get in trouble!
>despite all those times she did participate!
>but she didn't go around specifically making sure people knew, so she was innocent!
nigger what

>>281233979
i don't hear a bunch of schizophrenic symptoms here

>>281233991
If that is the level of reading comprehension you have for my post, then it's no wonder that you don't understand.

>>281216269
It's because in most of these revenge stories, the chad is just using her for a fling or only did it to fuck with the MC. They usually dump her soon after and the girl is left with nothing.

>>281234007
no, everyone here has at least 20 iq points higher than you, you are a living arguement for why women should be enslaved, however I don't believe that is true. I believe you should not be dragged forward like a cattle animal into a procreative future. I believe you should be cast off of the genetic future of women for your lack of temperence, accountability, and inability to self reflect on your own behavior.

>>281233873
>I think it's also the fact that she at least develops the self awareness to understand that she was being a selfish whore
the problem is she continues to act like a selfish whore after this point. Like some anon posted earlier in the thread, after fully realizing she fucked up, realizing the hurt and pain she put him through, she seems him (at this point) platonically with another girl and gets angry. She was perfectly fine getting fucked and then lying to him, but seeing him with someone else? Absolutely not. She treated him like an object even after coming to the realization that betraying your loved ones is bad. That shows she never truly grasped that she did wrong, and is only sad she got caught. So, forgive me for not being sad that the universe shits on her after being worthless and evil and even after realizing she's worthless and evil keeps being worthless and evil
To use kind of an extreme example, if after Hitler killed the first 1,000,000 jews, if we had some POV of him being like "omg I can't believe so many people are getting hurt, I wish I did things differently" then it cuts to him a week later opening a new concentration camp and then Eva Braun cheats on him, are you going to go "omg such a complex character how sad"?
Fuck no

>>281234080
why would you use an example that didn't happen?

>>281233975
fair, I'm just saying there is a not a direct parallel between her actions and being homeless. Maybe the doxxing of his parents house/business could be spun, something like she lost everything he almost/did lose, but I think that's just general bullying and is definitely reaching.

>>281233746
Although it's not bad, I still liked Miyahara way more than the other one and the art is cuter. Oh well.

>>281234080
I'm talking about much later in the story dumbass. It hasn't sunken in fully yet to her how bad Eiji is having it and things haven't started TUMBLING DOWN for her yet, it doesn't completely register until Ai tells her that Eiji tried to kill himself and Eiji tells her to her face that he never wants to see her again.

>>281233925
It doesn't matter if Kondo or short hair were worse than her, stop trying to redeem Miyuki when all it would have taken was a single "no, that's not true" to not be a willing participant in making his life worse. By standing by and not only not being willing to stop the rumors, but in fact tacitly agreeing to what was said- she is in fact a willing and active participant. The fact that you can't understand that means you're not worth listening to at all.

>>281234007
nigger this is exactly what you said. You JUST said Kondo was the one who spread the rumors, but she also confirmed them, but "she never went out of her way to tell people or actually do any of the bullying herself". It doesn't matter if she didn't go out of her way to make sure everyone knew. People came up to her, and she said it happened. That's fucking lying and active participation in the bullying. And even if she refused to speak on it, she withheld information to make people think something false, which is ALSO a lie, a lie by omission.

I don't have an opinion on whether or not Miyuki deserves to be forgiven, I just think guilt-ridden cheating is way hotter than typical defeated by chadcock NTR.

>>281215673 (OP)
So what chapter does it start to fall apart for her and NTRman? I just want to see the absurdity of the walls crumbling around them.

>>281234144
that's so much worse
she thinks so little of him as a person that the idea that he saw the love of his life either about to or freshly after getting fucked, then attacked by the dude, then said love of his life calling him a worthless creepy stalker, which she knew would hurt him since she's already commented on how devastated he was, then getting bullied viciously (she's already admitted that the treatment she saw was enough to almost make her cry) and yet it hasn't "sunken in yet"?
And STILL sees him like an object and like something bad is happening to her since she can't marry him after all this
Miyuki is such a worthless fucking whore

>>281234218
>>281234212
I didn't say she wasn't a participant illiteratefags, I said she wasn't an enthusiastic participant. She was a selfish whore because she was prioritizing saving her honor student image and her relationship with Kondo over her CF's wellbeing yes, but she was also under duress. Duress that only worked because she was a selfish whore that prioritized her honor student image and her relationship with Kondo over her CF's wellbeing, but still duress. Are you capable of seeing things in less than binary shades?

>>281234144
>um no you see he has to literally die for her to stop being a piece of human garbage
>why isn't any of these incels listening to my right opinions?
if these two retards had a lesbian baby it would be you.

What do you guys think would have happen if Eiji didn't meet the new love interest and actually committed suicide? Would Miyuki kill herself? Confess everything first?

>>281225349
No, you're just a sociopath.

>>281234354
miyuki absolutely would do nothing, but she would probably divorce rape chad late in life and tell herself it was for eiji's sake despite her being the only one to profit, the same way basedience establishments love to post humously exhonerate radicals who told them they where wrong about shit.

>>281234331
I'm just saying that the part of her developing self awareness and the universe just keeps shitting on her afterwards for 200 chapters causing people to wonder why she is even still getting POV chapters other than for pitybait >>281233873 is something that happens later, so referencing her getting mad over Ai holding Eiji's hand >>281234080 isn't relevant to the part of her character arc I was referencing.

>>281234354
Her inner woman would come out like gollum and convince her it was all his fault.

>>281234315
Every new post you make is worse than the last.

>>281234396
just so you dont get the wrong idea the loli on the left used her cooter to try and get an innocent boy to take the fall for her murder of the one on the right. they are both horrible people just like (you) and their moms

>>281234354
She was having nightmares every day and hadn't slept properly or eaten in two weeks to the point of collapsing from anaemia and dehydration and that was just from him failing to kill himself, if he actually an heroed she would have probably followed him shortly after.

>>281234315
>no one besides you has used the word enthusiastic
>just continuously said active and willing
>"you're all illiterate, I said she wasn't enthusiastic"
no one has said she is, anon. The fact you're calling anyone illiterate is mind boggling.
The fact you keep defaulting to enthusiasm meaning fucking anything is so odd. It doesn't matter how begrudgingly she tried to ruin his life, she tried to, knew what was happening, and let it happen.
This makes her a willing and active participant and your entire duress angle means fucking nothing because it's also propped up by nothing but MORE character flaws.
Am I supposed to put any sympathy towards her image because the dude she was fucking before and after her CF found out said he'll tank her reputation? If the answer is yes, then she shouldn't have participated in the bullying and if the answer is no then why do you keep bringing it up like it means anything?
She's a worthless stupid bitch who did worthless stupid bitch things and got herself into the worlds most avoidable situation and cares more about her image than someones life, and the fact the person she continues to have sex with is holding that over her head means absolutely nothing to me and is in no way a defense of any kind

>>281234354
Judging by how she reacts to stuff later, she'd lose her marbles.

>>281234432
When does she learn that?

>>281234433
you can have an entire room of married and sex having men tell a woman these facts and she will still say "yes you are all wrong"

>>281234354
she'd cry, feel like shit for a week, have sex with Kondo a couple more times, then he'd get bored and she'd move on with her life and eventually forget about him.
The truth about him would never come to light, and everyone would say "good riddance" the evil abuser is dead.

Is there anything wrong with this being torture porn?
Like people said, it's the universe coming down on her while the MC does his own thing.
So rather than making him seem like the golden hen, this shitshow is all for the readers.

>>281234354
Keep fucking NTR as a way to confort herself, finally kill herself when NTRman dumps her like he already did with other girls

>>281234433
You said >>281233141 "so readily" right here, which is what my point about enthusiasm comes from. I'm not debating her being a shitty and selfish whore built on character flaws, I'm just saying that yes, there is a difference between being under duress and unhappily becoming a participant versus all the retards around her who jumped on to dogpile the guy for whiteknighting purposes, and that isn't adequately captured in the phrasing used by >>281233141

>>281234593
No. Most that could be wrong with it is its ability to be convincing torture porn. It's morally dubious to take delight in someone else's suffering but the entire story is about immorality to begin with.

>getting this mad over the actions of fictional characters

>>281233835
That...sounds like a woman alright, is the author female?

>>281234396
My impression from this thread is that most of the Miyuki sympathy is from LN/WN readers, because she sure as hell isn't sympathetic in the manga so far.

>>281234655
Why do you keep posting like this? Do you understand this manga is largely being written as a kind of release for fans who have either dealt with these issues, have gotten tired of reading weird immoral NTR level works, or maybe both? What is the point of exploring the moral nuance or moral responsibility owed to a fucking fictional character who did all the things Miyuki did? Why are you defending what degree of blame she deserves for victimizing her childhood friend/ex-boyfriend? Are you that fucking bored or that fucking pedantic? Because if its the former, go read a manga. If it's the latter, you really should fix that part of your personality.

I hate this because the MC does nothing for himself, the universe just do it all for him. I read some other slop like this with almost 1:1 plot because this shit is template slop except for MC actually doing shit to better his situation and it's 100% more satisfying.

>>281234789
The MC is a taoist and is currently undergoing emotional purging by living out his life in the ordinary world, since he aligns himself so well with the tao the world itself heals wherever he treads. By doing nothing, he is the busiest of them all.

>>281234712
CF bad invokes discussions and engagement, which means more profit for the author.
CF good gets axed.
VNfags solved this problem by boycotting all cuck authors who tried to sneak in their fetish into their VN.

>>281234354
People forgot they are in a hypercompetent adult world
Probably police involved and pressure her or one of the chad goons to confess. So chad still ended in jail (And the other bullies) and she probably killed herself later.
New girl probably still alive, because MC stole her suicide spot and school would go full on preventing suicide mode. I don't know if she will kill herself too in the future. I don't know if the novel explain why she is (was) so miserable.

>>281234655
>readily means enthusiastic
it actually means without hesitation, which I guess if you want to be anal might not be true, she might hesitate and you get a couple of "..." before she agrees and confirms the rumors thus perpetuating the bullying, but she has never once told the truth despite having about 1000 chances to do so, so I'd say she has too little hesitation for it to count.
> I'm just saying that yes, there is a difference between being under duress and unhappily becoming a participant versus all the retards around her who jumped on to dogpile the guy for whiteknighting purposes
Wrong again, retard, there actually ISN'T a difference.
God forbid she WASN'T under duress, and she could have freely told the truth without threats of Kondo throwing her under the bus, she still wouldn't have, because in telling the truth she would have to reveal unsavory parts that would ruin her image. That's the entire point, she cares more about her image than helping him, and the only thing being held under duress here is that she'd look bad. It's a rock and a hard place with her, even without duress she'd have to make herself look bad to get around the rumors. The only situation that would make the situation better is if the rumors never started at all, but that doesn't shine any kind of light or defense on her character since we all know how she'd react. If she was under some type of heavy duress like "if you tell someone I'll kill your family" then sure, but just "you'll look bad" that isn't REAL duress. There's nothing at stake to lose but what is already at stake. The duress means nothing and does nothing but make her look worse

>>281223920
You’re tarding out lmao

>>281234788
>weird immoral NTR level works
Funny you should mention that, because I do think having the cheating bitch character to be written with believable flaws that cause her own downfall and, in spite of developing self awareness and regret, nonetheless, has to live with the consequences of her actions is indeed a release from classic retarded betrayalslop/regretslop/NTRslop. And I think forgoing acknowledging that nuance in her character in favor of hyperbole about gassing the femoids or whatever is a disservice to the way she is written.
>that fucking pedantic
Sure, perhaps you could put it that way.

>>281234880
Why did you say there wasn't a difference and then write out an entire paragraph about why there is a difference? Bear in mind that I'm not saying she's any better of a person for it, the ONLY thing I'm debating is how "readily" she participated.

>>281234944
>Why did you say there wasn't a difference and then write out an entire paragraph about why there is a difference?
and to think you call other people illiterate
the entire duress in this situation is just her reputation
>if you tell people I'll tell them all the bad shit you did!
but to tell the truth to any level of satisfaction to dispel the rumors, she'd already have to do that. That's the point. Even if Kondo didn't threaten to tell everyone everything if she told the truth, she still wouldn't say anything, because it's the exact same conversation and it's more convenient to her to just have this all quietly go away.
The only way to get her out of this situation not smelling like shit is for everything to have literally just never happened.
Also, as an aside, just pointing out the repercussion of your own actions isn't duress and the existence of any kind of duress is in no way a defense. and I know you keep saying "I'm not defending her I'm JUST SAYIN'" but that's defending her. If I told you to drive over a family of 4 on the sidewalk or else I'll eat your leftovers in the fridge, it wouldn't make your actions excusable in the least bit and continuing to hyper focus on your 6 inch ham and provolone sub from Jersey Mike's just makes you look like a fucking psycho

>>281234354
When a school shooting happens do they stop bullying? Same shit, she might feel guilty but stop after her “woman” side tells her it wasn’t her fault

>>281215673 (OP)
Everyone is flawed and makes mistakes, but people use this as a shield from just consequences. Act like a shit, get treated like a shit.

>>281234655
theres no duress. shes not being made to do any of this stuff except fearing that she will lose access to sex.

>>281234655
>if I tell the truth women will stop fucking me
if this was a man posting this every woman would be screaming for his head unless of course he was handsome

>>281235099
>the entire duress in this situation is just her reputation
Exactly. She hates what's happening but she's a selfish cunt for whom the fear of of losing everything outweighs that, because when she should have been thinking of Eiji, she was only thinking of herself. And in a way that makes her worse than the enthusiastic whiteknighters and bandwagoners because they think they're doing the right thing and she knows she's only doing the wrong thing to save herself, no matter how unhappily she does it. I'm glad we agree there.

>and I know you keep saying "I'm not defending her I'm JUST SAYIN'" but that's defending her.
That's you reading your own interpretation into something I never said.
I repeat, the only thing I take issue with is
>but participates so readily in said mistreatment
All the rest about how defensible her actions are or whether she deserves sympathy for it is all (You).

>>281215673 (OP)
not gonna lie, i love this kind of stories because i enjoy seeing just how retarded the drama can get. And most of the time they're self aware about their dumb plot which is even more funny.

>>281235296
>the entire duress in this situation is just her reputation
>Exactly
only half of the thing you were supposed to read, and touched on nothing in the other half.
The entire point about "the duress makes no difference" is once the rumors were started, regardless of whether or not Kondo threatened to tell people her dirty laundry, there was now no escape without her fucking up her reputation. There is no way for her to say "oh those rumors are false, ignore what the most popular guy around and ace of the soccer team is saying, no I won't explain further". From the inception of the incident, she either agrees or SOMETHING gets found out. That's why the duress doesn't matter, because it was just a reiteration of the current situation anyways.
>erm, I never said that
You have been for the past several hours, you're a fag. And interpreting me saying readily as enthusiastically but your constant "WHAT ABOUT THE DURESS THO?" as a defense is too far? fuck off

and yes, she DID readily participate because she's evil

>>281235268
Usual situation:
>Take this dick or you get a beating
This bitch:
>Take this beating or you won't get this dick

>>281235296
>That's you reading your own interpretation into something I never said.
its literally what you said, you said she was doing it under duress. this is not duress. duress is if I held a gun to your head and said have sex with me. or ye old blackmail slut doujin with compromising photos.
thats not happening at all. and you are basically a rape apologist spouting the word incel conveniently while being the exact kind of human being you are complaining about.

>>281230921
women really think like this THOUGH

>>281234465
way later in the story

>>281234944
allow me to pontificate for a moment, that if a man had done any of the things that this whore had done no woman using the term incel unironically would ever say that it was under duress or wasnt done readily. you are only special pleading.

>>281235410
Spoilers to what happened to this guy?

Gotta say honestly this kind of "I'm already tainted so I might as well stick with NTRman" is my least favourite CFbetrayalslop trope. Fucking improve yourself dumb shit

>>281235535
Women have no concept of honor or dignity.

>>281235489
>>281235421
>>281235374
It's obvious that you're reading what you want to read and arguing with some imaginary femoid in your head calling you an incel instead of replying to what I actually posted, so I don't see any value in continuing to reply.

>Female character childhood friend joined the bullying and abandonment (by his family and the rest of the people) up to the point of mentally broking him and almost killing him on purpose, instead of even trying to do something for him
>But she actually "liked" him and because of a two-page backstory about it, she gets forgiven, and even saved of getting her well reserved punch
>And even his bullying target wants to see her again
Fucking hell.
Why are japs like this?

How minor/major of a mistake is cloning somebody?

>>281234354
She wouldn't do jack shit since she didn't gave a fuck about him being bullied hard.
Most women are like this

>>281235592
No one is harmed by cloning.

>>281235564
I quoted you and replied to exactly what you said
don't pretend to be above it all just because you have no response except more "what about the barely real and completely inconsequential duress doe????"
worthless faggot

>>281234785
>My impression from this thread is that most of the Miyuki sympathy is from LN/WN readers
Basically yeah

>>281235592
There are laws againts human cloning

>>281215673 (OP)
Look I'm not saying you shouldn't forgive people for fuck ups, and I haven't really read this manga so I can't comment too much really, but based on the context in this image alone, specifically the top panels, she doesn't come out looking especially forgivable. Maybe the full story is different, but what I see here is;

>I did something bad expecting forgiveness
>I was shocked when I didn't get it.

Sounds like she knew what she was doing was wrong and did it anyways.

>>281235564
you literally did call people incels though
>>281233483

>>281235569
you think thats bad? currently the tribe of pissreal wants all whites to die because yknow, stopping their grand parents from chewing their own infant foreskin off and sucking their blood is ackshully based and godpilled or something. the harsher the indoctrination, the harder it is to break away.

>>281235656
She was expecting forgiveness for something more minor, she got caught doing something far worse.

>>281235675
>this random post completely divorced from the chain of discussion was, quite evidently, (You)
take your meds

>>281235569
you think thats bad? currently the tribe of pissreal wants all whites to die because yknow, not stopping their grand parents from chewing their own infant foreskin off and sucking their blood is ackshully based and godpilled or something. the harsher the indoctrination, the harder it is to break away.

>>281235720
>n-nuh uh
it was literally part of the conversation for hours though-ever. you are only complaining about it now because you have ran out of paper thin arguments and have proven you aren't as smart or moral as you think you are.

>>281225771
>>281228173
Guy friends won't kick each other when they're down but we will call each other a dumbass.

>>281235656
>She was expecting forgiveness for something more minor,
that's already unforgivable. she is using two men as objects.

>>281225771
"thats fucked up. I think it would have been better if you just left her honestly"

>>281235564
>posts a character that has difficulty understanding other people
>no its you who don't understand!
??????

Betrayal good
Backstabbing good
Bad good

>>281235807
If I post a cute girl will I become her? This is really important please answer

>>281235535
It's also kind of funny how 80% of the shit that readers would say about Miyuki being a cunt is already said by Miyuki's tulpa to herself.

>>281235819
NTRapoligists, I swear.
Sometimes feels like some sort of psyops.

>>281235881
Gaslighting is part of what they like about it. They're deeply evil people, there's no better description for them.

>>281215673 (OP)
Cheaters suck regardless of gender and deserve to suffer. You could probably make your case with a different example, but nobody is going to forgive a character that cheats.

>>281228932
Yes, but I dropped it when it was revealed how he lost his memory and ran into the girl from his past. I dropped it because there were still 50 chapters left when I felt like it should end right there. There's no need for more; anything else seemed unnecessary.

>>281235866
Women are so against acting rationally, that they have to sequester all logical thoughts to an "other self" that they only listen to when they are feeling depressed.

>>281235838
no but it will imply your post is related to the image unless you use the magic incantation "pic not related"

>>281235866
if she has a tulpa why isnt that tulpa saying something like "I WAS SAYING NOT TO DO THIS"
tulpas have agency you know. they are basically a VM in your brain.

>>281235904
lots of awful people reward cheating men. unfortunately since those people are women the men who try to take them down are basically toothless.

>>281235914
i have a favorite story like this. I just pretend the final chapter doesn't exist.

>>281222271
Vile

Also, reminder that this all started because the literature club president felt extremely cucked by Eiji rejecting her for Miyuki and decided to get revenge by ordering a targeted NTR hit on them.

>>281235774
Not associating yourself with a cheater is completely understandable position to take. Life is too short to keep yourself in bad company.

I meant >>281235767

>>281236235
>targeted NTR hit
Should've called a professional.

>>281231473
>it's the author's "adults aren't useless" fantasy
I dunno, having a responsible adult Onizuka figure nip the bullying in the bud (the male teacher in chapter 3 stepped in too fucking late) would have pushed that better than magical suicide girl.

>NTR chad claimed himself being centre of the world and son of bigwig he can gets away with everything
>turns out when him cucking MC his privileges starting to falling out and gets royally fucked by all sides

>>281236235
Is this NTR Death Note

>>281236642

>>281236642
>>281236683
Wrong thread?

>>281236235
Does this bitch face consequences at least or just Miyuki?

>>281236235
>ordering an ntr hit
This would make a good story

>>281236923
This artstyle is so shit

>coomed multiple times to this page even though there's no actual nudity because Miyuki's guilt and descent into depravity is ridiculously sexy by itself
what did my dick mean by this

>>281236844
yeah she does

>>281237196
Spoilers dude, tell me how
>Read the novel
Nah, I honestly wouldn't be able to sit through this bullshit without switching to ntr

>>281217171
This is Korean tier

>>281237245
Aight. She gets found out, tries to use the football team to silence NTRman's previous girl (because she knows what she's doing), then they all get arrested, her club is disbanded, and their members are on the edge of getting expelled (if not already). And finally, she has a mental breakdown when she finds out the MC gets a literature award and not her

>>281236235
is she hot or some fugly fattie? if the former, MC could've just fucked her on the side and avoided all the shitstorm altogether

>>281237306
That... doesn't sound as bad as Miyuki if the spoilers about her ending homeless are true.

Is the novel complete or is it still ongoing?

>>281215673 (OP)
From the title it is not just her cheating and lying about it, but seemingly him also getting accused of some crime.

Reminds of the story with the guy being an outcast in society, because three girls lied about him assaulting girls because they thought they could have him for themselves or they liked the attention and so on.
Basically an accident happened and it looked like suspicious so people said he was assaulting one girl sexually, when an earth quake happened he tried to protect a girl, but people again assumed he was sexually assaulting a girl.
None of the girls cared to clarify the misunderstanding, because they liked the attention and one even used it as her coming out to become the school idol.
Worse his little sister jealous of someone taking her onii-chan spread and enforced the rumors and even told the parents.
Ended up with him being locked in his room and when ever the family went to events they would only take the sister and leave him behind.
Mother treated him like shit.
Audacity starts as he writes only short stories and ends up finding out that the supposed gyaru slut of the school went through similar shit and also writes short stories.
The two "victims" reappear and it seems they and the sister are obviously interested in him and try the savior manipulation route of "look how nice I am to you when everyone mistreats you, are you not falling for me".
Obviously he rejects them, but they drown in their own self pity of why he is not interested in them when they lived years of good life by making him suffer when they always had the chance to clear up the false accusations, but never tried to do so.
The height of garbage is when he gets emancipated and his grandparents say you can move into our home and the mother is all oh no why are you leaving my son I cannot understand why you would do so, I am so sad as your mother that you are leaving now when your short stories are about to get published.

>>281229718
rise of the shield hero took the revenge plot and removed the cucking which is based

The NTR guy helped the cuck out in the long run.

You were going to spend the rest of your life with some whore that drops you the moment chad thundercock pays attention to her? If it wasn't him, it was going to be someone else.

>>281216357
>he drinks through the poor end of the cup

>>281221980
/pol/farming mostly

>>281222794
Anon, the cheating wasn't the worst part, the worst part was that the NTRman spread a rumour that MC was an absuive asshole throughout the school which made everyone bully him to the point of suicide. She knew it was happening but was too scared to correct the lies.

>>281237480
That story was ripping off the girls who traumatised me so hard without knowing what makes it good like how broken the MC is and the girls are all actually redeemable

>>281236235
Miyuki still ended choosing the NTR dick.

>read this out of boredom
>the best character is the other guy who was cucked first by the same ntrman when he was in middle school and was actively plotting the his fall like a true MC
I wish he got more screentime instead.

>>281238092
Yeah lying for years to get a better life through the torment of another and the wanting then using a bit of affection to make him yours is totally redeemable stuff.
Non of them ever openly admitted to their wrong doing and clearing his name, totally redeemable stuff.

>>281238280
I was talking about traumatized girls. English is my 3rd language, gomen

>cheats on your CF
>that inadvertently:
>saves a girl who was trying to kill herself that day
>ignited a plan to take down the ntrman by the other guy who was also been cucked by him
>reunited forgetting childhood friends twice
>uncovered a corruption scandal by a construction company who was also owned by a councilor
>giving mc motivation to write his magnum opus
>started a long planned revenge of a secretary-general to the prime minister that killed his wife in a horrible accident
Honestly, they all should be thanking to Miyuki for her cheating lmao

>>281235767
No you're supposed to keep each other accountable. That's the biggest redeeming trait of male friendships is that you keep em grounded and not a fuckin degenerate.

>>281238412
Jesus Christ this is some K-Drama bullshit

>>281215673 (OP)
I thought this would have at least 10 chapters if you waste thread space for it, but it is just 3 yet.

>>281215673 (OP)
>called cheating bitch if she has women moments
>called generic orbiter if she's loyal but anything from entirely useless to moderately helpful
>called boring mary sue if she's loyal but anything more than moderately helpful
>called arrogant girlboss if she does not become a love interest or if she does anything else
There is ALWAYS a way to hate on characters. Similar corresponding characteristics can also be applied to male characters.

>>281238544
Retarded libtard take.

Tell us animal and color of your favorite furrsuit.

>>281238581
You missed the point. I am not saying that it invalidates actual criticism against either some of those characters (or even a thorough dismantling about why they have both shit personalities you wouldn't want to associate with and are shittily-written at the same time) or their authors.
What I am saying is that there is no such thing as a "safe" female character and as long as there are enough motivated haters or shit-stirrers for whatever reason, any character, female or not, can be presented as god-awful.

In case of OP pic I can't say because I have not read that manga but these kinds of women moments tend to be packaged with trash melodrama so I stay away from anything like that and never look back.

>registered sex offender MC (falsely accused) have to bring witnesses to prove that he is not doing anything shady
Just wear a bodycam you dumb fuck.

>>281236844
Everyone in this gets their comeuppance. At least it has that going for it.

>>281224239
>my orbit is cheaters only so yours must be also!
shitty people really have no perspective

>>281226633
>show the class the sample population
>2000 people
>across taxas/alabama/nebraska
i suspected fact deniers couldn't read but you didn't have to prove it

>>281224239
>It's entirely his own fault for being so emotionally invested in a fleeting teenage relationship to begin with
The two of them had been childhood sweethearts for the last 10 years, practically lived at each others' houses, he and his family supported her and hers when her dad walked out to get some milk and their respective moms treated the other child as their own. If anything it makes it all the more crazy that 10 years of such a close bond was broken so quickly.

>>281233597
Incel and cuck are two sides of the same coin for opposite ends of the online political spectrum. Whatever original meaning the words have are long gone replaced by all the negative feelings one has for their online political enemies

>>281238695
>just lose all sense of privacy
Yeah that'll do

With the way the story has gone I'm surprised the author didn't have Miyuki get pregnant, have a miscarriage, then have the doctor tell her "She deserved it" for what she did to MC

>>281240045
>doctor ALSO just so happens to a victim of NTRman or his family

>teacher visits Miyuki one chapter
>Miyuki says she isn't suicidal but doesn't know what she can do to atone
>teacher says figure it out yourself
I don't think even the author knows what they want to do with her character

>>281240045
Simping for her?

I could say her treatment was extreme if she was simply tricked into it being a one time thing through the plot of the jealous bitch and the NTR guy, but everything beyond that is her own fault.
She choose too fuck the guy multiple times despite being in a relationship after the first time.
She choose to reject her boyfriend, childhood friend and supposedly marriage choice on his birthday when they were supposed to have a date to go to a sex district to get some dickong by the NTR and said she was choosing sex over with that guy over him.
She choose to not clear up the allegations when he because of her got literal death threats.
She didn't have to endure, he did.
She got jealous when he got someone else.
She choose to ride the clocks of the entire football team.

Beyond the first trick everything else was her own decision and she is too blame for them.

Personally I would punched her face in beyond recognition for her deeds.

>>281220677
Sounds based.

>>281215673 (OP)
> cheated
> oh no I thought he'd agree to be a cuck

>>281240157
It's okay if they don't. Miyuki isn't real

>>281240228
>Simping for her?
>it's simping if you have a brain to know when something jumps the shark

>>281225988
>but also it’s something that should fundamentally remain in someone’s confidential private life
Nope, it should be exposed to the public, turning the woman into an outcast and forcing her to join a nunnery because no man would want anything to do with her anymore.

>>281240334
The entire class should be held accountable.
Jealous bitch publicly shamed and in prison for planning and executing a form of rape through manipulation.
NTR guy public shaming and prison for rape through manipulation, as well as slander and attempted murder.
Bitch public shaming and prison because she is the one that could have cleared up everything, as well as attempted murder for the same reason.
Class people choose between the class getting disbanded and placed in different school, no clubs, no friends, no phone, no computer and so on or face prison charges for death threats and attempted murder, if they fail one of the terms of the first choice immediate opening of the case and facing charges.

>>281227743
>Fact: No one ITT has ever been cheated on.
You literally cannot prove you've never been cheated on, unless you've never had a relationshio.

>>281239176
>If anything it makes it all the more crazy that 10 years of such a close bond was broken so quickly.
Duration is no indicator of the depth of a relationship. The MC was too pussy to even hold hands with her in order to not 'make her uncomfortable', lol. Would you call that a trusting, intimate relationship between two people?
Give me a break.

>>281240419
>unless you've never had a relationship
Pretty unrealistic, we're all pussy slayers here.

>>281240647
Powerful and brave.....

>>281240228
>She chose to ride the clocks of the entire football team
At least stick to what actually happened.

>>281237115
This is what your dick meant by this.

>>281236782
No I think they got the right thread. Thorfin is a cuck too.

>>281215673 (OP)
Now I remember the rage this story makes me feel.
It feels similar to the garbage that was lust geass.

Two childhood friends celebrate the girls birthday, end up getting cursed.
She gets horny attacks and wants to fuck around, he cannot fuck or dies.
Source of the curse says let's spice things up and curse their friend and teacher as well, but only boy knows about it.
Boys curse gets changed, he can fuck and cure the one he fucks, but the remaining two people he cares about get turned into permanent horny whores for life that will fuck whatever.
Main girl sees MC and gets sad, because she does not know about.
Another person shows up that finds this funny and puts main girl under an additional curse, whenever she gets horny she enters a dream like state and believes all that happens to be a dream.
Person has prepared random street stranger for her to immediately fuck and lose her virginity to.
Main girl literally fucks randomly everything, even goes in her pseudo sleep into a park to fuck random guys.
Main guy notices, but cannot even wake her as it would mind break her.
Shit comes out, but the damage to her mind is done and her personality changed completely.
She is now a slut that likes to fuck around so he should save one of the others, because she likes the new her.
The source of the curses say to the well this is your fault, not like we prepared a random street stranger to bang her or anything.
Supposedly time travel happens to undo shit only to get a final scene that shows that they somehow remember and the damage and events still happened.

Started as a ecchi romcom only to turn into some mind break NTR garbage.

>>281241905
LOL I remember this shit. At least CF remained loyal until multiple bullshit curses staked onto each other. MC became a cheating manwhore IMMEDIATELY and I laughed when he had the GALL to feel cucked after fucking about the entire time.

>>281215673 (OP)
>women being held accountable for their actions BAD

>>281223488
Bring a knife, what's he going to do?

>>281242089
You remember wrong, guy only did petting as sex was the final decision that freed one and doomed the others.
CF girl got turned into a slut that fucked strangers and whoever through the effects of multiple curses until it permanently altered her personality and the girl she originally was was essentially dead.
MC guy was stupid because of the usual anime and manga issue, not talking about it.
Because he wanted to help all, but without telling about the situation CF girl got tricked into the additional curse, because the shock from misunderstanding made her emotionally weak.

>>281226399
Pretty much this. Cheating's shitty, but this story is just fucking retarded.

>>281241905
>>281242635
what was the name of this manga again? Shit was pretty hot

>>281233974
because he is the OP and that makes him a faggot thats common sense

>>281215673 (OP)
Do women really just not understand how fundamental a betrayal cheating is?

The author is trying to paint NTR Chad as a bad guy but honestly he's the hero in this situation.
He might tell himself that he enjoys seeing the dudes he cucks suffer but in reality he actually helps them dodge the massive bullets that are their slut girlfriends who'd jump on any Chad's cock.

>>281243827
They don't but to be fair neither do attractive men

>>281237480
At least isn' t revenge slop?
I remember the girls finally apologized to mc, and he accepted. But still don't want to do anything with them.
The only karma for the bitches, sister and step mom is MC living rent free in their heads forever. But nothing bad actually happens to them.

>Her mom hates her
>Her old friends hate her
>The other childhood friend hates her
>She doesn't even care about chad no more
>Her mom is hospitalized correlated to her
>They are losing their home them mom worked hard for becuase of her
>She lost MCs family she also loved
>She can't even kill herslef because it might hurt the MC
>MC didn't even get angry at her and was indifferent towards her. She considers that worse then being hit and yelled at
>Stacy took her places and is 10x better
Yea she got off pretty easy

>>281242726
Yeah art was good for romcom with ecchi elements, didn't look too serious until the entire mind break corruption permanent personality alteration happened at the half way point of the story.

Lust Geass

>>281244481
The thing is they apologized to him to feel better about themselves and hoping they still might have a chance.
They did not go take the bullet and came clean openly about their deeds.
First it is a misunderstanding, not clearing it up is their crime and they never did.
They wanted him, but not enough to clear his name, not enough too stand before the class and admit to what really happened.

>>281245190
She made everyone go against an innocent guy to the point of death threats and suicide attempts.
This is a crime, she can be happy police didn't take her and NTR guy.

When MC guy found out it was his birthday and they had an appointment later for a date and she decided to go fuck NTR guy and get a few creampies for some hours before their date.
And when confronted about it she literally said no I don't want you I want to get fucked and creampied for hours instead of honoring our love and friendship of 10 years.

>>281245208
appreciated anon

>>281245190
It was bound to happen, be it with this NTRman or another because she's that easy and couldn't say no to dick after the first time.
She knew it was his birthday and still chose to fuck that day

>>281236235
where can I read?

>>281245653
No no no those events did not happen at the same time.
At his birthday the guy already railed her for weeks or months to the point she got used to it, all while knowing he was fucking other girls at the same time.

>>281246276
>all while knowing he was fucking other girls at the same time.
She did not know about the other girls. Thats why they argued over the phone braking her illusion of him

>>281225771
You're supposed to bully all cheaters so they fear the social consequences of cheating. We should go back to harsher punishments, though.
>>281215673 (OP)
When a woman gets raped, her sexual autonomy is violated. Men who don't want to cheat care a lot about getting cheated on. When a guy gets cheated on, that represents a withholding of sex or a violation of his sexual autonomy.
>Women: "I don't want YOUR kids!" = rape
>Men: "I don't want to raise HIS kids!" = getting cheated on
When women cheat, they cause mental traumas to their bf almost on the same level as what women experience after rape.

If you think about relationships as sexual ownership, which they literally are supposed to be that according to the social contract, then it makes a lot more sense. Women feel this way too sometimes when a guy cheats on her, but it's not nearly as bad as when it happens to a guy, because her sexual autonomy isn't being violated the same way as it is when she's raped.

>>281246276
Damn, how can anyone defend that? Men get shitted on (if they're ugly, short or average mind you) more than her in real life

>>281217171
>only three chapters
I swear you guys always bring up this stuff when there’s barely anything to read

>>281246363
Didn't he tell her she should choose him or MC, because it got annoying for him and he could call another girl if she didn't want to fuck.

>>281246368
France did the opposite, outlawed paternity tests unless a judge demands one, so guys are unable to proof their girl cheated and that the black Arabic basketball team his girl gave birth to is not his.

>>281247329
france is so fucking cucked. Imagine a culture so vile that they know so many women cheat that they make it illegal to prove it, just to protect the cheating women.

>>281246399
So yeah she choose to additionally fuck him and get some creampies in before the birthday date they were going to have.
This makes it even more shitty of her, especially rejecting him only to get more dickings.

>>281247329
Many countries are doing the same

>>281247271
Most of her freaking out of the choose between me or him shit is because she has daddy issues and doesn't like being abandoned. She thought the MC would forgive her and didn't expect the guy to start a rumour. All of her issues go back to daddy left me and mommy and not realizing what she had. But boy is she suffering for it lol

>>281246399
Her ending was far too good.
It should have been MC getting with the rich girl and having a loving family with multiple children because he is such a good father, while also being a successful author.
But bam you realise that is like a show about him and his success in life and as a person and so on running in TV.
Camera Zooms out a bit and pans over to her who lies lifelessy on a bad with tears rolling down her face, head tilted towards the TV, all while she gets railed by some ugly bastard.
The guy gets annoyed and comments how her crying is a turn down and comments if she was railed by a dozen guys since she was a teen so lose is her p...y.
Guy leaves and says he is not going to pay a whore who is just lying unmoving on the bed, doing nothing but crying.

>>281247438
Not true, most other countries want consent to a degree.
You can still order home kits.

The funniest part of this story is when the MC and the FL kiss later on we find out it is the MC's first kiss because he never kissed with Miyuki

>>281247884
Yeah, that's one of the reasons on why she cheated, because he was too nice and she wanted to be fucked silly

>>281247329
There's a new law in one of the burgerland states that was making single moms mad on tiktok. If the guy gets a paternity test and he's not the father, the mother can go to prison for "maternity fraud" which might be a new term.

Just looked it up.
https://law.justia.com/codes/tennessee/title-39/chapter-14/part-1/section-39-14-111/
It seems to me that (c)(3) completely nullifies the intent of the whole law, because it doesn't apply if the supposed father was married to the mother at the time. Ridiculous. Maybe there's an even newer one.

>(a) A person commits parentage fraud who:

> (1) Seeks to legally establish another individual as the biological parent of a child in the person's custody with intent to deprive the individual of property or to prevent the child's actual biological parent from exercising parental rights to the child and the person knows or reasonably should know that the individual is not the child's biological parent

>(c) Subsection (a) does not apply when:
>(3) The victim of the offense was the defendant's spouse at the time of the offense

>>281248173
They're actually proposing that law here in Mexico but since our president is a woman and one of ((them)) I'm sure it won't get approved

>>281233467
>if a woman cries about anything ever then they're innocent
I thought this when I watched Anora. I was laughing at her and her dumb whore hijinks the whole time and then all of a sudden I just feel bad for her

>>281248173
Well unless she was raped while being unconscious and didn't realise that happened she is the one that would always know if there was a possibility for a different father.
So there would nearly always be a level of intent to it.

>>281248215
I was scanning titles to try to find out more because there's a lot to know about paternity law in Tennessee. Check this title
>Section 36-2-316 - Discrimination against children born out of wedlock - Penalty
That one made it illegal to bully and refuse service to bastard children. Who was responsible for that? I think it says it was passed in 1997. I have no idea who was in the Tennessee Congress at the time but this is another one of those acts that was used to destroy the family.

>>281248633
Right, but she doesn't get in trouble if the victim of the offense (the husband) was the defendant (mother)'s spouse at the time of the offense. So if the guy is married to her and she fucks Tyrone and has his kid, she didn't commit a crime according to this.

>>281248215
They fucking better pass it. How is the dating scene / women in Mexico? Are they as entitled as California girls?

>>281248721
Is adultery not a crime?
If not this is a serious loophole.

>>281248778
This loophole is probably a way to appease men while continuing to wreck them in court. It sounds fucked up, but a youtuber said this helps the kid and any cuck fathers who want to continue raising someone else's kid. They get to keep their nuclear family and keep chad out of it if they wish, so chad won't get visitation rights. That's apparently the benevolent intent of the law, but it's so dumb because it assumes the father will just accept his status as a cuck.

>>281215673 (OP)
In this case, she deserves everything that happens to her, to be honest.

>>281248754
Really bad, most me would rather stay single because there have been cases where they accuse you of rape and to jail you go.
We're not as fucked as Spain, yet.

You would punch him, right? Fuck height just do it in place nobody would catch you

>series is about how easily people can be manipulated to gang up on the innocent
>readers all get super angry and want to murder the perceived villains based on some drawings and words
Isn't this basically proving that you're just as bad?
You only read some pages and you get irrationally angry. About a work of fiction no less.
If you were one of the MC's classmates you would no doubt have ganged up on him as well.

>>281251175
Incorrect, a few of us want to be absolutely certain whether she did it enthusiastically or was just an active participant. Also, the drawings and words are their whole existence, literally, so what are we supposed to believe?

>>281250143
kek he knelt

>>281251175
>>281251778
This is wrong.
She automatically became active part in it when she decided to do nothing.
If it stayed at one time with the bastard she would have essentially been a victim of rape through manipulation herself.
The moment she actively decided to continously ride his cock and even choose him over her CF friend it was all on her.
Thus her despite being able to clear up her CF name also actively choose not do so, instead she led death threats and slander continue.
Through her in-action despite being the best source of the truth she became active in the evil deeds committed.

>>281215673 (OP)
You need to be shot in the head
Subhuman cuck

>>281251175
it's pretty normal for people to want shitty people to get their comeuppance. Nothing irrational about it at all and the story is doing its job by invoking those feelings

>>281216305
source?

>>281248133
Isn't that just a Benimura hentai special?

>>281253493
>The one where the guy thought the girl was a pure virgin
>In truth she was a slut since middle school and the gyaru was the real virgin
That was kino

>>281251175
>innocent
keyword negro

>>281237306
Bitch to the end, I see.
Looks like her trying to get him back was a lie to herself. A psychopath

>>281238412
Holy shit what the fuck

>>281254533
>>281237306
I think that is meant to be not slut CF, but the girl from MCs club that started the NTR hit job.

>>281220677
>>281221544
Good.
So basically she cheated on somebody who really helped the family.

>>281238412
>they all should be thanking to NTRman
ftfy

>>281215673 (OP)
Because torturing her is hot. Female characters are made to be tortured and cry for my sexual pleasure.

>>281240647
>>281240846
To be fair, she was forced to be a prostitute by the bad guy, to save her family. Too bad the bitch flat out rejects the MC despise being in love with him, and realizes about it too late (and joins another bitch elf who also rejected him and realized that it was also too late) and now are after him.
Those bitches don't deserve him, they deserve to lose because they broken the MC's heart twice

>>281254885
Wazu is a profesional cumdump slurper tho

>>281245190
She got it easy. Should have gone to jail for encourage suicide. It's punished by law.

>>281255027
She's a minor tho, also are you familiar with the judgment games? The second game was about school bullying and how deep it ran straight to the government

>>281254533
that's not even the same girl lmao

>>281254885
She wasn't forced to be a prostitute.
That was her choice.

Noble liked her and wanted to marry her
She said no
Noble found some debt with her father, but she still refused
She decides to leave father to not cause more problens
Choses to go to a brothel which is basically in the main city of the nobles domain
She choses to whore herself out to everyone willing to pay except noble
For some magic reason the brothel highly depending on the noble to even exist is totally on her side with all members willing to sacrifice themselves for her
Noble goes insane over the girl
Noble turns to dark arts to finally get the girl
Noble turns into a monster
MC is now rightfully by law allowed to kill the noble