Thread 281269948

finished alita a couple of days ago and now I'm about to start this. what am I in for?

Dissapointment.

Dont do it

>>281269948 (OP)
Excellent early volumes, then a grueling tournament arc that practically stalls the story for most of the series, then relief as the tournament arc ends and the story's finale picks up considerably. Vilma's backstory in the middle of the tournament arc is an island of high quality storytelling amidst all the bullshit.

It's really hard to recommend as it is, so stick with it only if you really liked the original series and are invested enough to continue onto Mars Chronicles afterwards.

>>281269989
>>281270035
that bad, huh?
>>281270099
I intend to read the whole thing so I guess I'm gonna have to slog through it

>>281270099
That stupid tournament arc is when the manga completely lost me. Is Mars Chronicles worth it to power through it?

>>281270326
The tone and delivery in Mars Chronicles had fans split, a lot of them couldn't stomach Kishiro's narrative decisions here (more brutalized kids, Alita's true origins etc). The series basically loves to try and mindfuck you.

That said, objectively it's good. It goes off on the occasional little tangent, but not to any great detriment of the overall story, which remains solid throughout. Good worldbuilding, good characters, great atmosphere, brilliant art etc. IMO it's worth it, if only just.

>>281269948 (OP)
The early chapters are kind of a slog, but it's pure kino later on. Just push through the first couple of chapters and enjoy the weird over the top ride as the story unfolds.

>>281270326
It depends, do you like the Count of Monte Cristo?

Yoga
Pimp my Brain
Karmatronics
Flan
Space Karate>Panzer Kunst
Alita's crippling schizophrenia
Shota hunting vampire milfs in spaces
Dissertations about what it means to be a real man
Neonazis on Mars
The Fr*nch
Jupiter robocommies
SEX

>>281271307
>Dissertations about what it means to be a real man
So, what it means to be a real man?

>>281269948 (OP)
Just do it, it's fine.

>>281269948 (OP)
Space
karate
vampire
jeed

>>281271423
FUCK hot babes
RIDE a cool bike
have FUN
KILL everyone you don't like

>>281269948 (OP)
It's decent but not as good as the first series imo.

>>281269948 (OP)
LO is massively overhated. It starts off pretty great and, while it does stall in the middle, it's still a good read throughout. If you liked BAA, you'll like LO

>>281269948 (OP)
Doktor Rockethammer is owed gynoid sex.

>>281269948 (OP)
It's good.

I think its = the original, even despite the tourney arc. Kishi clearly got tired of Alita and wanted to write some other shit for a while, so we get lots of screentime for supporting characters and outright subplots (like Vilma) but they're generally actually good and memorable and not just filler. Really only the space karate dudes overstay their welcome, relative to their actual story importance.

That said, it's very different than the original. Less grounded and gritty, plays with more high-concept scifi ideas, more cartoony. Which is all somewhat justified seeing as it's not really the original Gally doing any of it.

I prefer it to Mars Chronicle, and Mars Chronicle is pretty damn good. It goes back to being gritty as fuck, but is one long divergance/backstory arc. Feels like he's ready to finish the story now that it's done which is cool though.

>>281269948 (OP)
basically the Silmarillion of GUNNM. some people didnt like it but is a must read to understand Mars Chronicles.

>>281269948 (OP)
Never really understood the hate for it, its not as good as the original and it kinda drags out in the tournament, but it is still very good.

>>281273436
>Kishiro
>Finishing anything
Yes anon, and Takaya is going to finish Guyver next year

That anime snob told me tha tournament is the best tournament ever made in manga

>>281274380
If you like karate and bad penis jokes.

if you like karate and if you like cyborgs and if you like cyborgs doing karate you will enjoy last order like I did

>>281269948 (OP)
I like it but it's hard to recommend it for reasons people have stated.
Mars is better but Alita/Gally is mostly a non-character, there's a lot more violence and suffering, and your enjoyment will depend on if you think Erica did nothing wrong or not

I'll never forgive the bastard for not finishing Aqua Knight.

>>281269948 (OP)
It's a different kind of story, but I think it's just as great, the world origins flashback might be even better than the original series. Although the tournament part is pretty divisive.

Now Mars Chronicles, how can I even say it?

>>281270815
>occasional little tangent
7 out 10 volumes is flashbacks mostly centered on Alita's rival and rival's mentor story. Also it ends really abruptly and we're waiting for a sequel now.

>>281271307
I think you forgot one of the most important messages our lord Casey Roscoe has left to us.

>>281273436
>Less grounded and gritty
Come on, Kishiro really went balls deep showing what a miserable place space is, especially for kids. The world building really is strongest and most consistent part of the whole franchise.

>>281269948 (OP)
It's probably because I read it all after it completed serialization but I'm surprised by the amount of hate it's getting in this thread.
It's a fine sequel that's all over the place and ultimately doesn't come together in a satisfactory manner in the end but it's worth reading mainly for the fights once you reach the Zott tournament and world-building. The scope is intergalactic empires scale now and that gets really fucking weird.
I definitely prefer the side characters in LO over the original even if they're not as emotional investing.

>>281275789
>intergalactic
What I like about LO is that it isn't intergalactic, he keeps his space setting to the few planets we could realistically travel to in a few hundred years.

>>281275789
i think that's the thing, gunnm and lo and mc are all very different so everyone enjoys different parts more and others less
some ogfags couldn't get over it and hated lo with a passion

>>281273936
>Never really understood the hate for it
I think this mostly comes from people having to wait months for chapters which can admittedly be pretty dull.

>>281269948 (OP)
it will make you wanna fuck transmen

>>281269948 (OP)
Disregard filtered shitposters. Last Order is amazing and i like it even better than Hyper Future Vision.
Yes, it's weird and the start takes a while to get used, much like the new cast and everything that changes from OG to LO. Likewise, the pacing isn't as great as OG, there are definetely some slow parts (the vampires arc is the hard filter), but once it gets going, it never fucking stops and becomes hype and beyond. And Gally's character has some very good development as she faces her past and comes to terms with her future. And a plethora of very likeable secondary characters (Sechs, my man) and villains (Mbadi, Zekka)
A little spoiler but if you read the original ending LO is a more roundabout way to get there but with extra extra world building.
Desu one of, if not, my favorite stories ever. The end of the ZoTT is legendary.

>>281277699
>(the vampires arc is the hard filter)
Except its the best part and it's only downhill from there.

>>281278932
>downhill
Man, what follows after the vampires are Venus vs Space Karate, Jupiter vs Space Angels, Mars vs Space Karate and THEN we get the absolute pinnacle that is the final match. You cannot in good faith say it goes downhill.

>>281279233
space karate is lame, sechs is a fucking tranny and penis joke monsters stop being funny eventually

>>281279738
>sechs is a fucking tranny
Sechs is a cyborg

>>281269948 (OP)
It's mostly more of the same, except for an unusually long flashback about how important x-men vampires are to the setting. Not spoilering it because others have already mentioned it and frankly I think it's better to warn people so there's less whiplash. Mars Chronicles has some gothic horror as well (arguably more) but it's integrated into the setting better.

>>281279914
yeah, that's cope alright

>>281269948 (OP)
one arc mostly

>>281279914
Not even a cyborg, an android.

>>281280141
A sechsy android

>>281279738
All of that? Max Kino

>>281273988
>>Yes anon, and Takaya is going to finish Guyver next year
You shut your dirty mouth.

>>281269948 (OP)
its shit

>>281269989
this