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Anonymous No.281270061 >>281270270 >>281270405 >>281270453 >>281270988 >>281272946 >>281276552 >>281277772 >>281278180 >>281280130 >>281280406 >>281281969 >>281282813 >>281283162 >>281284993 >>281286246 >>281287766 >>281288075 >>281292176
sorry, but this is how gurren lagan should've ended
Anonymous No.281270265 >>281270526 >>281270597 >>281270651 >>281271600 >>281271679 >>281272136 >>281272284 >>281273565 >>281273758 >>281274982 >>281275243 >>281277258 >>281277690 >>281278300 >>281280406 >>281281466 >>281282107 >>281282129 >>281283472 >>281290997 >>281291448 >>281292120 >>281292176
>breaks his promise to the antispiral by immediately misusing his power and proving that humanity can't be trusted to protect the universe
Anonymous No.281270270 >>281270886
>>281270061 (OP)
Not just a river in Egypt, bro.
Anonymous No.281270376
antispiral should've won
Anonymous No.281270405 >>281270573 >>281285420 >>281289515
>>281270061 (OP)
Didn't they pull a Samurai Jack and have a happy end in a video game tie-in?
Anonymous No.281270453
>>281270061 (OP)
Should have ended up with Yoko after Nia died.
Anonymous No.281270503
Nia didnt have to die desu
theres no train of logic where destroying the antispirals would kill her
Anonymous No.281270526
>>281270265

fuck the anti spirals, that was the point of the show
Anonymous No.281270573 >>281289515
>>281270405

no, jap shitter have to make everything tragic because its deep or something.
Anonymous No.281270597 >>281270644
>>281270265
Healing some one sick person is an abuse of power?
Anonymous No.281270644 >>281270667
>>281270597

its retard logic or something, we should've have invented penencillin or something because people would live longer
Anonymous No.281270651 >>281273527
>>281270265
>use spiral power to prevent a million people from dying
haha lol based fight the power
>use spiral power to prevent 1 person from dying
DON'T YOU GET IT?? HE'S NOT A GOD HURR DURR SPIRAL NEMESIS THE UNIVERSE
Anonymous No.281270667
>>281270644

*shouldn't
Anonymous No.281270886
>>281270270

Gainax isn't happy until they piss off their viewerbase, glade they are bankrupt now
Anonymous No.281270988 >>281271057
>>281270061 (OP)

It's like washington not using the power of presidency for his own benefit and voluntarily giving it all up.
Anonymous No.281271057
>>281270988

thanks bud

here is reality. I dont think saving your dying wife after saving the universe is too much of an ask
Anonymous No.281271430 >>281272053 >>281273907 >>281275455 >>281281499 >>281289463 >>281290864 >>281301525
Samurai Jack did the Gurren Lagann better than Gurren Lagann.
Anonymous No.281271471 >>281272204
Good thing SRW agrees.
Anonymous No.281271600
>>281270265
>All the stars are our enemies
>Spiral Nemesis triggered
>Controversial ending where Simon destroys the universe
>Very ambiguous ending over what came next

Sounds kino
Anonymous No.281271679
>>281270265
/thread
Based anime comprehender.
Anonymous No.281272053 >>281273907 >>281275455 >>281291461
>>281271430
*forgot pic
Anonymous No.281272136
>>281270265
But it was the anti-spiral's fault that she died
Anonymous No.281272204
>>281271471
SRW will also kill Rustal
Anonymous No.281272284 >>281273143 >>281279465
>>281270265
Anonymous No.281272946 >>281273191
>>281270061 (OP)
Her disappearance was totally contrived
>I was created by the antispiral
>so now that you defeated the antispiral I will cease to exist
They could have at least established this concept or these stakes a little bit beforehand. The fact that it waited until the moment of the wedding was even worse. Why didn’t she disappear the moment the antispiral was defeated? Or years later? They just wanted some crappy bittersweet ending so they forced it into the story.
Anonymous No.281273143 >>281273279
>>281272284


Antispiral: "you would risk the universe to save a girl"
Simon: becomes a GOD to save the girl

Ending
"He can't save her, Simon isn't a God you know"

What was the fucking point
Anonymous No.281273191
>>281272946
It's just a shitty forced bad ending. The idea that Simon discovered how to break the laws of reality through sheer willpower but suddenly won't save Nia is dumb.
Anonymous No.281273268
Spiral energy should only be used when Humanity is in a pinch. Nia dying is unfortunately not included.
It's like how we are actively wasting our resources in real life on basic shit while ruining it for future generations.
Gurren Lagann's message may be a little too heavy for most people.
Anonymous No.281273279 >>281273420 >>281274252 >>281275079 >>281277455 >>281280772 >>281281196 >>281284683
>>281273143
I don't know how you missed the point so hard. Yes, Simon has the power of a god. The "He isn't a god" line is about voluntarily choosing not to trespass into the domain of gods by reviving the dead. It's a line they draw in the sand in order to show restraint in their use of spiral power. It's BECAUSE losing his wife is so painful that Simon draws the line there, as a message to all spiral beings in the future. If they made an exception for Nia because "it's important to Simon and he's a hero" then they would easily ride the slippery slope to the spiral nemesis given enough time.

There are so many parallels betewen Simon and Jesus and yet nearly 20 years later people still can't see it at all and complain of a shitty "forced ending," it's ridiculous honestly.
Anonymous No.281273420 >>281273499
>>281273279

The entire spiral race is a slippery slope by that logic
Anonymous No.281273499 >>281275555
>>281273420
That's also part of the narrative. The antispiral is 100% right, given enough time the spiral nemesis is essentially guaranteed to happen. Despite this, humans vow to do the impossible. At one point they explicitly accomplish something which had a 0% chance of success (blowing up the Death Spiral Machine). The entire spiral race *is* a slippery slope, but despite the futility of their actions, they continue to press onward with their best efforts to prevent the spiral nemesis.
Anonymous No.281273527 >>281273760 >>281274939 >>281275564
>>281270651
more like
>use spiral energy to end the oppression of humanity, removing the limiters on our infinite potential
vs
>use spiral energy to prevent death instead of honoring the loss and moving on

Simon's cause was bigger than that, and it makes the sacrifices along the way all that more meaningful.
Anonymous No.281273565
>>281270265
This.
Anonymous No.281273758
>>281270265
GO GO GO GO GO GO GALO SENGEN
Anonymous No.281273760 >>281274242
>>281273527

>using spiral energy to prevent the death of comrad during fights
MUH HONOR
>using spiral energy to prevent the death of your loved one
NO SPIRAL NEMISIS BLAH BLAH BLAH

literally you right now
Anonymous No.281273907
>>281272053
>>281271430
Actually it did, the fucking game had a good ending for the exact same scenario https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBquOzGLPy8
Anonymous No.281274242
>>281273760
What do you mean? Kamina and Kittan died while fighting. If preventing death was their goal then they should have never left the underground, and just lived their life in peace.
Anonymous No.281274252
>>281273279
Nia wasn't dead. She had a disease that Anti-Spiral gave her.
Anonymous No.281274939 >>281275379
>>281273527
Her death wasn't from fighting or natural at all though? It would've made sense if Nia sacrificed herself in the final battle somehow, instead she gets spiral cancer from getting screwed over by the anti-spiral fags and Simon doesn't give a fuck about fixing it because "muh principles"
Anonymous No.281274982 >>281275122
>>281270265
who gives a fuck about what the antispiral wants/thinks?
Anonymous No.281275079 >>281275214 >>281275871
>>281273279
Also, they used it to keep her alive up through the wedding. That doesn't count?
Anonymous No.281275085
I would never trust someone who dislikes TTGL's ending, instant red flag
Anonymous No.281275122 >>281275265
>>281274982
Simon, considering he promised them.
Anonymous No.281275214 >>281275755
>>281275079
Doesn't count, her vanishing into thin air moments after being wed in a public display was calculated. Rossiu could have wed them 5 seconds after they got back to earth if it mattered that much.

You think people weren't talking like crazy afterwards? "Holy shit Simon the Digger's wife fucking evaporated and he is willingly not going to bring her back even though he's a Godlike being."
Anonymous No.281275243
>>281270265
No anon you don't understand you can totally start abusing entropy it's fine.
Anonymous No.281275265
>>281275122
breaking promises is how you continue to drill forward.
Anonymous No.281275379 >>281275762 >>281277695
>>281274939
>"muh principles"
Well yeah, because those principles are literally the only thing that can get them through the spiral nemesis. Gurren Lagann is an appeal to the human spirit, our higher calling. Death is miniscule compared to that.
Anonymous No.281275455
>>281272053
>>281271430
Just ripped off Tomino
Anonymous No.281275555 >>281275839 >>281276024 >>281288207
>>281273499
>The antispiral is 100% right, given enough time the spiral nemesis is essentially guaranteed to happen.

Why? There was no internal logic to support humanity being unable to handle this shit beyond the narrative suddenly saying so. And given how much of a HUMANITY FUCK YEAH bend we had to this point it's really weird for them to stop, do a 180 and say "Hmmmm maybe we can't handle this." It's not like any one did any deep reflection to this point. It was a last minute asspull to try and force some profound message that it couldn't actually support. This wasn't some Getter Robo shit were spiral power was explored deeply and shown to have its own agenda.
Anonymous No.281275564 >>281276424
>>281273527
you can phrase it however you want, he still used it to stop any number of dangers from killing dozens of people over the course of the story, and then eventually literally every single living human on earth as well.
Anonymous No.281275755
>>281275214
But they kept her alive with it. That betrays that premise
Anonymous No.281275762 >>281275937
>>281275379
>Death is miniscule compared to that.

There's a world of difference between accepting death as a part of life and not throwing your hands up and not trying to help the sick because "THAT'S LIFE!" Just because you cure the sick doesn't mean you have to revive the dead. The human spirit is not just rolling over. You can use the power responsibly.

"Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light"
Anonymous No.281275807 >>281275980 >>281284742
Gurren Lagann is way too smart for retarded anons. They'll argue about specifics and details ("but maybe THIS time it's okay to play god because it's a special situation!!"). The whole point is that at some point something you can't prevent will happen and you have to take it to prove that yes you CAN use the god like power without going awry
Anonymous No.281275839 >>281276027
>>281275555
That's retarded, the entire point of this second arc was that humans needed to prove themselves. That came with SACRIFICE. They were fine with that. Nia is a warrior just like any of them.
Anonymous No.281275871
>>281275079
They didn't use anything, she just managed to hold onto her form long enough for proper goodbye.
Anonymous No.281275937 >>281276027 >>281276060 >>281280669
>>281275762
Spiral energy was meant to forge a path ahead for humanity, not drag us down in stagnation. And yes, the prolonging of her life is stagnation. Both Nia and Simon's jobs were done at that point, which is why Simon immediately left the stage and became a wandering hobo.
She will live on inside the legacy she left behind.
Anonymous No.281275980 >>281276027 >>281284561
>>281275807
It's not really about intelligence, it filters for greed and selfishness. Those who can't accept the ending are animals without restraints who will follow their urges no matter how deleterious. You have those who think in the arithmetic of Simon having a claim to Nia due to his heroism, those who reject any notion that their own desires can lead to negative outcomes, and those who don't care about the future at all.
Anonymous No.281276024
>>281275555
>This wasn't some Getter Robo shit were spiral power was explored deeply and shown to have its own agenda.
Almost like Getter Robo is good and Gurren Lagann isn't
Anonymous No.281276027 >>281276082 >>281276096 >>281276101
>>281275937
Protecting life is not stagnation. It can never be stagnation.

>>281275839
It didn't convey that worth shit.

>>281275980
>It's not really about intelligence, it filters for greed and selfishness.
Those who blindly accept fate, and do nothing while others die and suffer for their ideals are the selfish ones. You dullards got taken in by a forced tragic ending and some flowery dialogue to dress it up. This is moronic.
Anonymous No.281276060
>>281275937
>became a wandering hobo.
A bit of a side-note: nobody ever brings up the fact that in doing this he's also working towards making Nia's dream come true by asking the people he helps to plant flowers. He honors her memory and keeps her spirit alive through this.
Anonymous No.281276082 >>281277139
>>281276027
You're a selfish retard with shitty opinions lol
Anonymous No.281276096 >>281277139
>>281276027
You're a screaming retard bitching that the hero of your cartoon was more reasonable than you are.

The whole point of Gurren Lagann part 2 is showing completely unforeseen tragedy that strikes our characters. They didn't ask for it, it's not fair. And yet they go on, and prevent more tragedy by moving forward and accepting that life isn't always fair. It completely shits on the retarded happy ending you wanted because you're a child mentally.
Anonymous No.281276101
>>281276027
It's not that you can't save her life, but you can't use spiral energy to do so. That's not what it's for.
Anonymous No.281276246 >>281276333
Nia's death was an asspull.
This completely ruins the narrative built upon it.
Anonymous No.281276333 >>281276725
>>281276246
It's literally foreshadowed. She keeps flickering and her existence is shown to be linked to the Antispiral's. The Antispiral even calls out the characters for not understanding how obvious that was.
Anonymous No.281276424 >>281277351 >>281279537
>>281275564
Actually he caused more deaths because he could have just stayed underground and they would have never had a war with Lord Genome, and the anti-spirals would have never attacked. Did you miss the part where the Anti-spirals talk about how self destructive they were? Yes, that's right, Simon caused more deaths than he saved. Was it worth it? Absolutely.
Anonymous No.281276552 >>281276700 >>281277397
>>281270061 (OP)
Jesus christ, it amazes me how many idiots misunderstand Gurren Lagann. Look at every antagonist in each of the story arcs from the start to the end. Simon's village elder, Rossius's village elder, Lord Genome, Rossiu, Anti-Spiral. All of the villains are intentionally written to have the same motive and fears: they all fear loss so much that they would rather make sacrifices to cling onto what they already have (the past). Simon and Team Gurren was always about choosing to instead make sacrifices for the possibility of growth (the future). In short, it's an ideological conflict between stability vs dynamism. Now try to use your brain for once to think if your proposed ending actually fits the show's entire purpose.
Anonymous No.281276700 >>281277288 >>281277397
>>281276552
It doesn't matter how tightly written the story is and how clear it's messages are, the mere fact that something was "taken away" in the ending will trigger the selfish and greedy sort so that they will start blustering endless amounts of bullshit to justify taking it back because they have no restraints or moral or higher thoughts. Because of the gnawing emotional hunger that they satiate reflexively, they'll never acknowledge the work objectively.

And it goes beyond TTGL obviously, the animalistic derangement impacts their opinions of every other show the same way.
Anonymous No.281276725 >>281277162
>>281276333
She wasn't flickering in part 1. She starts being weird once the Antispiral powers take control of her. She should be better once they're gone.
And the Antispiral saying stuff in the last episode isn't foreshadowing. At that point it's already an asspull.
Anonymous No.281277139 >>281277276 >>281277376
>>281276082
>>281276096
>Noooooooo my show is smart honest!
>The whole point of Gurren Lagann
Gurren Lagaan had no point. It was clear since the fucking opening stinger that they were pulling shit out of t heir ass as they went.
Anonymous No.281277162 >>281277371
>>281276725
>She should be better once they're gone
The Antispirals were literally the engine powering her, lmao. How dense are you?
Anonymous No.281277258 >>281277333
>>281270265
This thread just proves Gurren Lagan fags were the original "aura farmers" viewers and only remember the flashy mecha actions (when there was) and Kamina 2deep4u phrases.
Anonymous No.281277276
>>281277139
Okay tourist, keep shitposting while everyone tells you how retarded you are
Anonymous No.281277288 >>281277412
>>281276700

god you sound like one of those self-righteous commie reddit type
Anonymous No.281277333 >>281277416 >>281277423
>>281277258

sadness for no reason = depth

this is literally you
Anonymous No.281277351 >>281277625 >>281277786 >>281279537
>>281276424
>Simon caused more deaths than he saved
are you retarded? even if you don't even count the final antispiral attack, he saved 1 million people from the moon. the number of people who died doesn't even begin to compare.
Anonymous No.281277371
>>281277162
Why does she need to be powered to just keep existing? Plus she has spiral power of her own.
Anonymous No.281277376
>>281277139
You're too retarded for a show meant for teenagers. Good job.

Absolute derangement.
Anonymous No.281277378
I don't remember much about this show because I saw it so many years ago, except that even then I knew the ending fucking sucked.
Anonymous No.281277397 >>281277477 >>281277624
>>281276552
>>281276700
The message in a story doesn't work if it's not also narratively coherent. You can go "erm, actually, it fits the themes" but it's still dumb and contrived.
Anonymous No.281277412
>>281277288
>commie
Hello tourist, the anime girl pics that get spammed around in your echo chamber seem to have given you the mistaken impression that /a/ cares about your reactionary western culture war bullshit. In fact, otaku subculture is progressive, as is obvious from TTGL itself, and that's why you tourists end up as triggered shitposters when you engage with anime at any level of involvement beyond fapping to lolicon.
Anonymous No.281277416
>>281277333
>sadness for no reason
>no reason
Condemning all humanity for ONE girl who was already free from anti-spiral influence is worse than Kazuya spending billions of yen on Chizuru.
Anonymous No.281277423
>>281277333
The point, the reason is that you don't always get your way, and Simon has to prove humanity can, in fact, accept not getting their way to the guy telling them "I know exactly how evolution and technological advancement goes, at some point you're going to do whatever you want despite the consequences", instead of being a petulant child like you
Anonymous No.281277455
>>281273279
Simon knows intuitively that the spiral nemesis in an inevitability, showing restraint by refusing to revive the dead is ultimately a meaningless act in the grand scheme of things. What separates Simon from others like Lordgenome and the anti-spiral is he chose to allow life to hope and proliferate. Simon banked all his accomplishments through hope, and it is through blind faith where impossible miracles are given the chance to transpire.
Anonymous No.281277477 >>281277572 >>281278223
>>281277397
>narratively coherent
You are trying to claim the magical mechanics of spiral power and godhood should fit your mental framework of them and that they're currently shit because... girl powered by antispiral dies when antispiral dies. In a show where they pull universe sized mechs out of their asses, no less.

You're mentally a teenager arguing in bad faith, basically. It was never about how spiral power works and how the logic behind Nia being out of power don't work with you, it's all about trying to rationalize a way to hate on the ending because it gave you the bad fee fees.
Anonymous No.281277572
>>281277477
Anonymous No.281277585 >>281278190
>Not okay to bring Nia back
>it is okay to revive loed genome for the final battle
Anonymous No.281277624
>>281277397
>if it's not also narratively coherent
But it is. All of the bizarre metaphysics and psychological attacks of the anti-spiral center on the concept of accepting death. The multiverse labyrinth within which the dead can be "brought back" is an obstacle to forward movement. It's all throughout the story from Kamina's complex about his father to Simon having to move past Kamina's death. It isn't contrived or sudden at all.

But see that's the thing, no matter how simple and elegant the explanation is, you'll always shapeshift and move the goal posts and invent another misunderstanding to whine about, because you're just a dumb piece of shit.
Anonymous No.281277625 >>281279990
>>281277351
Did you not read what I said? He put those 1 million into harms way. If I tied someone on to a train track and then stopped the train, did I save their life?
Anonymous No.281277690
>>281270265
FPBP
Anonymous No.281277695 >>281277803
>>281275379
The whole thing is the equivalent of seeing someone who is dying from an infection or something like that, and instead of giving them the fucking antibiotics in your hand to save them you say
>"well, it's life. We have to accept death. honor the dead. It's natural, going against it is a front against nature!"
There was literally no point in Nia's death. Every point that could've been made was already made by every other character death or by Simon overcoming the Multiverse Labyrinth. Simon had the power to do it, there was no purpose to her death, in universe, she just died because she was given cancer and Simon refused to cure her. There was no point narratively to her death that wasn't already made to the death by every other character.

Curing her is nowhere near the same as Simon abusing the fuck out of his power to just revive the people who actually fucking died fighting instead of spiral aids given to them when they were young. Those people sacrificed themselves for a reason, and not reviving them is them honoring said sacrifice and Simon not playing god, Nia's death was just moral wanking.
Anonymous No.281277772 >>281277833
>>281270061 (OP)
>dude everything needs a happy ending or it's bad lmao
you must like marvel movies
Anonymous No.281277786 >>281279537
>>281277351
The moon wouldn't have activated if they hadn't overthrown Lordgenome and started flourishing on the surface. Humanity could have survived underground indefinitely under the eternal guardianship of the spiral king. That's part of the cruelty of the system.
Anonymous No.281277803 >>281277896 >>281278074
>>281277695
No, spiral energy is not the equivalent of anti biotics. Your failure to understand comes from this.
Anonymous No.281277833 >>281277901
>>281277772
Anonymous No.281277861 >>281278001 >>281281039
Retards are still defending the give up and let people die from cancer ending to Gurren Lagann? lol
Anonymous No.281277896 >>281278074 >>281278223
>>281277803
It isn't a failure to understand, he's an emotional animal who refuses to accept morality despite understanding it because then he would have to restrain himself. You think anyone who talks about "morality wanking" can be trusted? The need to present an endless torrent of troll arguments is a compulsion caused by self-awareness of guilt and fear of discovery.
Anonymous No.281277901
>>281277833
large
Anonymous No.281278001
>>281277861

they usually look like this
Anonymous No.281278074 >>281278123 >>281278218
>>281277803
>hyperfocusing on the analogy
The point is that Simon had the power to save her but chose not to all for the sake of a point that was done over and over in the story in much better, more meaningful ways. The analogy is for the sake of reframing it from "Simon would be playing god by saving the dead" to "Simon is simply refusing to save a dying victim because 'muh point'."
>>281277896
>no argument
>pseud babble
>"...present an endless torrent of troll arguments..."
lmao.
Anonymous No.281278123 >>281278221 >>281288262
>>281278074
Go back to /v/ anytime, tourist
Anonymous No.281278180
>>281270061 (OP)
>a drill keeps on moving forward
>except this one time I'll look back lol it's fine

you didn't grow
Anonymous No.281278190 >>281280115
>>281277585
He wasn't revived. He manifested himself in the thoughts universe.
Anonymous No.281278198 >>281278807
Why do the Antispiral have powers equal to Spiral Energy if they purged it?
Do those not cause entropy?
Anonymous No.281278218 >>281278248 >>281278468 >>281278570
>>281278074
I don't get it, are you saying you made a bad analogy and that I should ignore it? You're comparing spiral energy to a cure, yet completely ignoring where spiral energy comes from, what how it's used throughout the series, and what the risks are. You're trying to find loopholes in a power that is so basic and simple that there are no loopholes.
Anonymous No.281278221
>>281278123
I've been here longer than you, fag
Anonymous No.281278223
>>281277896
It's exactly this. >>281277477

It was never about the mechanics of superpowers in the big drills anime. It was always 100% about being butthurt it ended sadly and finding ways to cry about it.
Anonymous No.281278248
>>281278218
Even if loopholes were available it would still be irrelevant. The point would still be crystal clear and the process perfectly valid. It's not about the loopholes, it's about refusing the entire point basically.
Anonymous No.281278300 >>281278341
>>281270265
>already burned millions of spiral energy
>"What you want to use a little bit more for the last time to save the love of your life who has fought alongside you? STOOOOP YOU WILL PROVE THE ANTISPIRALS RIGHT"
Anonymous No.281278341 >>281278427 >>281279945
>>281278300
Powering big robots is obviously not the same as cheating death, retard.

Spiral power is basically analogy for technological advancement bordering on godhood. You can drive a car. You can't cure some illnesses. You can't prevent some tragedies. Spiral power, in the hands of an asshole would degenerate into godhood realm instead of progress.
Anonymous No.281278427 >>281278469
>>281278341
Brother with enough technological progress there will not be any illnesses. So being able to heal some spiral aids barely counts as godhood.
Anonymous No.281278468 >>281278601
>>281278218
>I don't get it, are you saying you made a bad analogy and that I should ignore it?
I'm saying you ignored everything else and hyperfocused on the analogy. I'm not saying it's literally equal to antibiotics. You once again completely ignored my explanation on why I said what I said.

Saving the Anti-Spiral's last dying victim is not abusing it, and the idea that doing so would would bring everyone so close to the Spiral Nemesis is retarded, specially after the last showdown. There's literally no dilemma or slippery slope. It's using the power to save a victim one last time, who is dying for reasons completely out of their control, related to the Anti-Spiral's meddling. I would be completely in agreement with the defender's of it if Nia died as a final sacrifice than just passive "Just let her die, lmao. I'm not god"
Anonymous No.281278469 >>281278536
>>281278427
No technological progress will erase death and unforeseen tragedies. That's the entire point.
Anonymous No.281278536
>>281278469
She wasnt death, she was on the brink of death.
Enough technological progress will prevent unforeseen tragedies.
A hundred year ago getting an infected wound was an unforeseen tragedy that would likely make you kick the bucket, but nowadays people just throw in some pills and go on like nothing happend.
Anonymous No.281278570 >>281278742 >>281281039
>>281278218
How is Simon giving Nia a natural human lifespan riskier than using the amounts of spiral energy he did during the final battle?
Anonymous No.281278601 >>281278722 >>281278832
>>281278468
>Saving the Anti-Spiral's last dying victim is not abusing it
It is, because it's not what it's for.
>It's using the power to save a victim one last time
This sounds completely arbitrary and goes against how we've seen it used in the entire series.
Anonymous No.281278722 >>281281039
>>281278601
By this logic Simon should have stopped fighting Lord genome btw.
Anonymous No.281278742 >>281278901 >>281279445
>>281278570
How about we frame it like this: The original leader of the spiral-being revolution refuses to use spiral energy for personal reasons like saving his lover, and it becomes a symbol for future generations, thus decreasing the chances of people abusing spiral energy
Anonymous No.281278749 >>281278953 >>281279537
On one hand I agree it's kinda dumb that Nia was left to disintegrate considering her condition was caused by anti-spiral fuckery to begin with. On the other hand I think the point was to give Simon a big moment where he's ushered offstage instead of just becoming Spiral King 2 now with his own based and drillpilled Spiral Queen. Also the whole subplot of Nia being destined to disintegrate was added a while ago, it needed to wrap up somehow and it would've been kinda stupid to just be like "ya we just used spiral magic to cure her haha :)"
Anonymous No.281278807
>>281278198
The main threat isn't entropy (this isn't Madoka), it's creation of too much energy. The antispirals presumably were doing shit like harvesting energy from galactic cores or other crazy future tech in order to do what they did, but they total mass in the universe stayed the same. With spiral power you create energy out of nothing, it's a direct violation of the first law of thermodynamics, and that increase in energy density of the universe is what leads to the spiral nemesis.
Anonymous No.281278832 >>281278894 >>281278900
>>281278601
>"Uuuhhh... yeah you're just wrong bro."
Cool. Good discussion bro.
Anonymous No.281278894 >>281279572
>>281278832
I don't know what else to tell you. You should rewatch the show and maybe this time don't think of it as pure power fantasy wank.
Anonymous No.281278900 >>281279572
>>281278832
You've never presented an argument that goes beyond "I'm right because I'm just right," tourist. You aren't even here to discuss, you only shitpost.
Anonymous No.281278901 >>281279065 >>281281039
>>281278742
Except the show didn't say that. It said "Ah too bad anti-spiral infected her so she's dead now." Except she was alive and with them for weeks/months whatever and they sit around and do nothing to help her. The team that came back from the antispiral and did that would have stayed in the hole under Lord Genome.
Anonymous No.281278953 >>281279537 >>281281039
>>281278749
They could have just had her do another dramatic sacrifice like they did to half the side characters in those last couple episodes, or skipped those and just give one to Nia.
Anonymous No.281279065 >>281279152 >>281279444
>>281278901
It's pretty heavily implied that the point was for older generations to make way for newer generations. Using spiral energy to prolong the older generation's lifespan would be against the point.
The only cure was spiral energy, but if Simon were the type to use spiral energy for that then he would have never been able to accomplish what he did. It's a catch-22.
Anonymous No.281279152 >>281279342 >>281281039
>>281279065
They're already doing that by defeating the antispiral, letting tech flourish and colonizing the galaxy. You think all those things will lead to people that live to the same age as they did while living in the dirt to hide from being murdered? It's a shit point that falls flat with people that actually look beyond the surface justifications the dialogue gives.
Anonymous No.281279342 >>281279440
>>281279152
>It falls flat if you ignore what's said and start making up headcanon
Yeah I mean that's why you shitposting tourists make up this endless bullshit
Anonymous No.281279440 >>281281039
>>281279342
The headcanon that they made a galaxy empire as shown in the epilogue but somehow old people won't exist like you're doing?
Anonymous No.281279444
>>281279065
Extending it for a marriage is allowed though and doesn't count. Probably because it doesn't count as a selfish desire for Simon. Or wait, being an isolated hobo cancels that selfishness out.
Now I get it.
Anonymous No.281279445 >>281279465 >>281279514 >>281301444
>>281278742
>Great war hero promises to not use spiral power
>he becomes some hobo digging holes and fades into obscurity
yeah no bro I will keep using that spiral power. If Simon had any aspirations to protect the world from abusing spiral power he would leverage his fame to have a meaningful position. Him letting Nia die and then ending up like that just makes him look like a lunatic.
Anonymous No.281279465
>>281279445
yeah don't worry, I'm not surprised you would say that >>281272284
Anonymous No.281279514 >>281279540 >>281279545 >>281279632 >>281288262
>>281279445
>I will keep using
TTGL exposes selfish, greedy people who should never be trusted and that's also why tourists from /v/ want to rewrite board culture to dislike the series. All of /a/'s foundational favorites are filled with morality that is anathema to the selfish predators trying to colonize the board from /v/ and /pol/.
Anonymous No.281279537 >>281279710
>>281278749
>>281278953
Nia sacrificing herself would honestly have been the best way forward. I don't dislike that she wasn't cured and that the show actually committed to having the "this person is slowly dying!!!" character die at the end, but her death should have been something that was absolutely necessary to defeat the Anti-Spiral in the first place, considering how her and the Anti-Spiral's existences are literally connected. The justification is right there.
>>281276424
>>281277786
>>281277351
I wouldn't have minded an alternative storyline where Simon accepts humanity living under the Spiral King either, honestly. Feels like a lot of shit just boils back to being a variant of the classic Trolley Problem, and I'd argue the situation with Nia is an example of Simon finally choosing to kill one guy to save five people, instead of letting five people die to save one guy.
Anonymous No.281279540
>>281279514
Maybe some posters are still alright here
Anonymous No.281279545 >>281281039
>>281279514
>rewrite board culture to dislike the series
We're arguing about disliking the ending, not the series as a whole.
Anonymous No.281279572 >>281279590
>>281278894
You're a retarded fanboy.
>>281278900
I've already told you, I've been here much longer than you, faggot. Kill yourself.
Anonymous No.281279590
>>281279572
you're media illiterate
Anonymous No.281279632 >>281279683 >>281281070
>>281279514
>anyone that dislikes the ending is the boogeyman trying to force board culture shifts as a mass falseflag
>ignores that these arguments have been going since the day the ending aired
Anonymous No.281279683 >>281280083
>>281279632
You're never going to fit in, tourist. Your compulsion to shitpost gives you away every time.
Anonymous No.281279710
>>281279537
>the situation with Nia is an example of Simon finally choosing
She chooses, not him. Your ideas about the story are dumb and wrong because you refuse to understand it.
Anonymous No.281279945 >>281280017
>>281278341
Anon, they literally use spiral power as fuel for CAUSALITY-IGNORING MISSILES, and that's just 1 weapon in 1 mech. Curing spiral aids pales in comparison.
Anonymous No.281279990 >>281280016
>>281277625
You literally said "he caused more deaths than he saved", don't try to backpedal now, retard.
Anonymous No.281280016 >>281280154
>>281279990
You should learn English before coming to an English-speaking forum, retard.
Anonymous No.281280017 >>281280105
>>281279945
Yes, they're doing the magical warfare in the Antispiral dimension. Yes, with that level of power they can surely find ways to prevent Nia's death, that's why they have a choice and a moral dilemma in the first place. But that's not what the analogy is about. The analogy is about cheating death and becoming god. What they were doing up until now was just warfare. Causality ignoring missiles based warfare, but still warfare.
Anonymous No.281280083 >>281280304 >>281281070
>>281279683
So now you're ignoring the actual history of discussion on this seires.
Anonymous No.281280105 >>281280196
>>281280017
The end result of that line of thought is they should have never fought using spiral power in the first place because that's cheating the system and an abuse of power.
Anonymous No.281280115
>>281278190
>he didn't revive himself he just gave himself a new body after he died
Anonymous No.281280130
>>281270061 (OP)
>he doesn't know
Yoko and Simon are the soulmates of TTGL, anon.

Anyone that gets in-between them just dies, no questions asked.
Anonymous No.281280154
>>281280016
there's nothing wrong with that post, esl-kun
Anonymous No.281280196 >>281280451
>>281280105
I'm not even going to bother with the classification of the kind of spiral power they used to wage war against antispirals, although I'll say most of it happened in an alternate dimension where thoughts were more important than matter.

You are free to say "this spiral warfare is god tier stuff and so it should be avoided too", I'll just disagree. It's grandiloquent, it's exaggerated, it's huge, but at its core it's just big tech big warfare. At its core it's not about "cheating death". The analogy is pretty clear. Whether or not you want to allow the analogy to play out and see what it means and why the characters have to take the hit to demonstrate growth is up to you. I did.
Anonymous No.281280227 >>281280265 >>281281070
>Promises humanity won't cause spiral nemesis
>Resigns and releases his power putting him in no position to guarantee that promise is kept
Anonymous No.281280265
>>281280227
If he became humanity's god king it would have been a disaster. He can always step up if something goes wrong, but he's literally too powerful to be at the forefront without messing things up.
Anonymous No.281280304 >>281280370 >>281288262
>>281280083
You're trying to hide behind history that's older than you are lol
Idiots have always complained about the ending but no one tried to smear TTGL until you tourists came around with the same contrarian position /v/ has toward video games. And it's for the same reason, you're a tourist pretending to be part of the original community.
Anonymous No.281280370 >>281280405 >>281281070
>>281280304
You're making up a boogeyman, labeling random posts you don't like with it and acting smug about it. You would fit right in at /v/
Anonymous No.281280405 >>281280444 >>281288262
>>281280370
I'm correctly applying the label of tourist to your posts specifically. You can go back to /v/ anytime.
Anonymous No.281280406 >>281280467
>>281270265
>>281270061 (OP)
The moral of 'going beyond the impossible doing the undoable' became 'lol except not' at the end. OP's picture is unironically more in line with the show's message.
Anonymous No.281280444 >>281280508 >>281281070
>>281280405
You didn't even notice I'm not the same anon you started that shit with. You are just as bad as the retards on /v/
Anonymous No.281280451 >>281280519
>>281280196
You're okay with them using spiral power to make weapons, travel between dimensions and rewrite reality/causality outright, but you're not okay with them using spiral power to cure illness. It just seems like a silly distinction to me. In my eyes helping an ailing person is not the same as cheating death. It would be one thing if they were trying to unnaturally prolong the life of someone who's lived a hundred years, or straight up resurrect a dead person, but that wasn't the case.
Anonymous No.281280452
how do I experience watching lagann hen in a 4d theater again
it was too perfect to only ever experience once
Anonymous No.281280467 >>281280537 >>281280539
>>281280406
The message wasn't "DO THE IMPOSSIBLE AND FUCK THE CONSEQUENCES". The entire final arc was about the antagonist teaching the heroes they have to actually think about the consequences and can't do whatever they want. It's just that the answer isn't to completely kill off progress.
Anonymous No.281280508 >>281280695
>>281280444
>I'm not the same anon
lol
Anonymous No.281280519
>>281280451
I understand what the story is trying to show. Using tech to fight against an invader is just war. Meanwhile Nia's situation is meant to parallel fatality and shit you can't prevent. More than illness, Nia was fundamentally running on nothing at that point, she was linked to the antispiral. This entire story means NOTHING if the heroes don't have to sacrifice shit.
Anonymous No.281280537 >>281280570 >>281280633 >>281280715 >>281281021
>>281280467
From the very start the story was about barging through boundaries place in their way. First at the village, then Lord Genome, then the Anti Spirals.

That said, even if it wasn't Nia dying was really dumb and didn't make much sense. It was tragedy for tragedy's sake.
Anonymous No.281280539
>>281280467
Manchildren think "Believe in yourself! You can do anything if you put your mind to it!" means "You SHOULD do anything you want and not think about the consequences!" It's like half of the complaints in this thread.
Anonymous No.281280570 >>281280878
>>281280537
That's not what it meant. It meant pushing through artificial boundaries and oppression imposed onto them by tyrants. Not trying to remove yourself from the human experience, which comes with tragedy and loss.
Anonymous No.281280604 >>281280617 >>281280637 >>281280741
>muh flashy bright colors /mlp/ show is DEEP
Reddit show reddit fanbase, easy to detect like Takopi.
Anonymous No.281280617 >>281280665 >>281288262
>>281280604
Oh look, another tourist from /v/
Anonymous No.281280633 >>281280715 >>281280786 >>281280955
>>281280537
So say she gets saved instead. They use spiral power, and send the message to the galaxy that reviving the dead at the cost of the death of all things is worth it and 5 minutes later everybody revives all the dead people and the universe literally collapses on itself. Is that better in your eyes? Or did you just want the impossibly happy ending that undercuts the entire final conflict? Saving Nia and it not mattering makes everything pointless. THAT'S retarded.
Anonymous No.281280637
>>281280604
>it has flashy colors so I must act as braindead and retarded as possible when engaging with it
Interesting.
Anonymous No.281280665
>>281280617
>Summerfag with the revisionism
Anonymous No.281280669 >>281280722 >>281280793
>>281275937
>prolonging Nia's life is stagnation
>Simon becoming a depressed hobo isn't
Anonymous No.281280695 >>281280741 >>281281070
>>281280508
If you want, I can quote every post I made in this thread so far and see if you'll engage any of my posts I already made with any logic beyond strawmanning and boogeyman crying.
Anonymous No.281280715 >>281280768
>>281280537
My personal point of contention with the way her death is portrayed is that nobody even tries to argue for preventing her death. Only AFTER she's dead some characters go "b-but can't we just bring her back??" and then we get the usual "nuh-uh you can't bring back dead people, that's fucked up" platitudes. Might as well stop treating diseases and injury because loss and death are all a part of being human, and if we try to prevent them we're playing god. Like this guy >>281280633, who immediately jumped to "REVIVING PEOPLE IS BAD" and completely ignored nobody even tried to prevent her death in the first place.
Anonymous No.281280722
>>281280669
He's not depressed. He's walking around the world and accomplishing Nia's dream and helping people. He's doing perfectly fine.
Anonymous No.281280741 >>281281039
>>281280695
Don't bother, your shitty tourist opinions have already been trashed over and over and you'll never stop making up bullshit to complain about because you only come here to shitpost like >>281280604
Anonymous No.281280768 >>281280972 >>281281024
>>281280715
You're arguing for technicalities. Gurren Lagann was never about medicine or the inner mechanics of superpowers. The meaning of this dilemma is incredibly obvious. At most it should be "huh they really could have used those mechanics maybe" observation, not the kind of whining and bitching you see in these threads. But being more accurate I'm pretty sure this wouldn't have worked because Nia literally runs on Antispiral shit, there's no way to save her, it's not about curing an illness. She's literally destined to die.
Anonymous No.281280772 >>281281031
>>281273279
>There are so many parallels betewen Simon and Jesus
One of the most important themes of Jesus is the conquering of death though.
Besides that, healing != resurrection.
Anonymous No.281280786
>>281280633
This right here.
I'm not sure the people complaining about the ending even watched the show. It says right there spiral power is the power of creation, creating anything from nothing and the real threat of spiral nemesis is uncontrollable use of it. Just like throwing away trash, 1 person does it then it's fine but when everyone think like that the result is india.
Humanity can't even be trusted to throw away trash properly, what makes them think giving the power to rule over death and do anything imaginable will be used responsibly.
Anonymous No.281280793
>>281280669
Gurren Lagann also has a theme of societal roles. Simon talks about how he's just a digger. Once he literally and metaphorically dug a hole through the anti-spirals, his job was done. He went back to digging up water wells.
Anonymous No.281280878 >>281280942
>>281280570
>It meant pushing through artificial boundaries and oppression imposed onto them by tyrants
That is literally what the anti-spirals are with their hypothesis of the spiral nemesis. You can say "but they were right" but the elders and lord Genome also had their reasons they believed what they did was right, and it didn't stop them then.
Anonymous No.281280920 >>281280956
>I REJECT YOUR PLANS
>PUNCHES BIG FACELESS BAD GUY WITH FRENSHIP POWER
>UGH... SO WHAT'S YOUR PLAN THEN INSTEAD...?
>UGH... IT'LL WORK OUT SOMEHOW!!
>BELIIEB IN URSELF YEA XD
Kek what a joke seeking simplistic solution to complex problems made for midwits
Anonymous No.281280942 >>281281175
>>281280878
Lordgenome was just the extension of the Antispiral's idea.

It all boils down to a physical reality, one that cannot be denied. If spiral powers grow without being kept in check, the universe ends. This is confirmed by SImon. Simon's answer to this is not abusing those powers and keeping them in check, which he does by setting an example and not refusing the tragedy that comes with the human experience. It's straightforward and an obvious answer.
Anonymous No.281280955
>>281280633
>using spiral power to stop someone from dying is a bridge too far
>using spiral power to colonize the universe is a-okay

Your argument doesn't make any sense in regards to the eplilogue, anon.
Anonymous No.281280956 >>281281077
>>281280920
You've already registered your childish complaints, tourist
Anonymous No.281280972 >>281281034
>>281280768
>I'm pretty sure this wouldn't have worked because Nia literally runs on Antispiral shit, there's no way to save her
Yes, I agree. I'm saying I wish they had TRIED to save her and still failed, instead of just going "welp, that's it then, you're gonna die, what a shame. guess we'll get married".
Anonymous No.281281021 >>281281076
>>281280537
>It was tragedy for tragedy's sake.
No I think it was important because it shows exactly how much they were willing to sacrifice. It's an actual dilemma that seems to be directly at odds with the average viewer's moral framework.
Anonymous No.281281024 >>281281058
>>281280768
>Gurren Lagann was never about medicine or the inner mechanics of superpowers. The meaning of this dilemma is incredibly obvious
Gurren Lagann was about going beyond limits placed on you. If your read on the show was right then the moral really was 'man we should have stayed in the village'.

Shit was tragedy for tragedy's sake, and wholly unecessary given like a third of the cast died in the final battle already.
Anonymous No.281281031
>>281280772
It's not 1:1, the parallels diverge strongly by the fact that Jesus did in fact die and then resurrected, while Simon didn't. However there is still a lot to be said about how both were kings betrayed by their close friend (who later attempts/commits suicide), were falsely accused and sentenced to death, were scorned by their people, and accepted the punishment regardless. Then later Simon does make a sacrifice for all of humanity (giving up Nia so that people follow in his image and restrain their use of spiral power).

I think the story is actually made stronger by the divergence in parallels. Simon and Jesus share similarities, but ultimately Simon accepts he isn't a God, he truly is just a human and should remain that way for the sake of the future.

Honestly this is still an idea I've been tossing around in my head, whether this was an intentional parallel or not by the creators I think there is substance there. It's safe to say though that both Simon and Jesus are saviors who are willing to sacrifice for the sake of all of mankind
Anonymous No.281281034 >>281281120
>>281280972
At this point we're just arguing technicalities, you have to assume all of this is known by the characters, the "science" of this is irrelevant to the moral and emotional dilemma here.

It all comes down to that monologue Kittan gives off before his sacrifice. They do this because they want to.
Anonymous No.281281039 >>281281070 >>281281078
>>281280741
Yeah I figured you couldn't handle actually discussing this show. But I'll do you a favor and show you what "/v/ shitposting" apparently amounts to since you miraculously haven't responded to or linked any of my posts outside this direct chain yet despite your great senses or whatever.

>>281277861
First post
>>281278570
Second
>>281278722
3rd
>>281278901
4th
>>281278953
5th
>>281279152
6th
>>281279440
Seventh
>>281279545
Eighth post

1/2
Anonymous No.281281058 >>281281214
>>281281024
Congratulations on ignoring the entire second part. and Simon himself confirming that the Antispiral had a point. Also on ignoring the fabric of reality that says "yeah you're not a god you can't do literally everything retard"
Anonymous No.281281067
literally all they had to do was let nia be a spiral power force ghost
Anonymous No.281281070
>>281281039

>>281279632
Ninth
>>281280083
10th
>>281280227
11th
>>281280370
12th
>>281280444
13th
>>281280695
14th
Of course at this point I'm not expecting anything remotely intelligent or coherent to be posted in response to this and it does make the thread worse for everyone else actually discussing the ending.
Anonymous No.281281076 >>281281179
>>281281021
>No I think it was important because it shows exactly how much they were willing to sacrifice
They already sacrificed half the cast. If they wanted Nia to die they should have had her die then, and while that would have been sad it would have made sense.

But having Mia survive the final battle only to die at the last minute because 'lol anti spiral energy bro' is just tragedy for tragedy's sake, because it turns the burden from 'why don't we bring everyone back' to 'why didn't we save this person with cancer'.
Anonymous No.281281077
>>281280956
Take your meds
Anonymous No.281281078 >>281281132 >>281281169 >>281288262
>>281281039
Not sure why you're demonstrating how hard you're samefagging to shitpost as a tourist from /v/, everyone knew already
Anonymous No.281281120 >>281281194
>>281281034
Sure, but it was meant to reflect the human condition, right? The inevitability of loss, all that stuff. But the characters just accept it and don't fight it or struggle against it. Both Simon and Nia are immediately okay with her untimely death the moment they learn it's gonna happen. To me it doesn't feel like that reflects the human experience.
Anonymous No.281281132 >>281281159
>>281281078

>Of course at this point I'm not expecting anything remotely intelligent or coherent to be posted in response to this and it does make the thread worse for everyone else actually discussing the ending.
Anonymous No.281281159
>>281281132
You'd have to post something intelligent or coherent for me to respond to instead of shitposting like a tourist from /v/ complaining about nonsense you pull out of your ass because you're triggered by morality
Anonymous No.281281169 >>281281185
>>281281078
>ctrl+f tourist '15 results'
Guren Faggan subhumans projecting as usual
Anonymous No.281281175 >>281281233
>>281280942
>Lordgenome was just the extension of the Antispiral's idea.
And yet humanity didn't go back to living in holes.

By your definition of the show's message shouldn't they have stopped making progress at all because it could go bad? Accepted their limitations of living in holes?
Anonymous No.281281179
>>281281076
Kittan's death and Nia's death has a completely different feeling. The former is when they're face to face with the issue at hand, the enemy, and the latter is when the enemy is more vague, i.e. principles. They're both important to acknowledge.
Anonymous No.281281185 >>281281244
>>281281169
it's just one guy
Anonymous No.281281194
>>281281120
While I understand where you're coming from, I think they just "know". In the final fight, Nia flickers and Simon just looks at her and just knows. You can tell by the look on his face. Nia also reconfirms with him that he has to finish what he started. It's all "narrative" confirmation about what these decisions entail. With that in mind I don't think exploring the mechanics of this adds anything
Anonymous No.281281196
>>281273279

Most retarded comment ever which is saying a lot. Jesus cured and healed the sick instead of going lol too bad die
Anonymous No.281281202 >>281281274 >>281281432
Notice how the issue in using Spiral Power to save Nia is only brought up after she's already dead?
Because the writers knew it would have been retarded for the heroes to argue she HAD to die.
Anonymous No.281281214 >>281281257
>>281281058
>you're not a god, Simon. Man is not meant to live on the surface it's impossible
Anonymous No.281281233 >>281283369
>>281281175
>By your definition of the show's message shouldn't they have stopped making progress at all because it could go bad? Accepted their limitations of living in holes?
No
The Antispiral (and Lordgenome) thought they had to stop all idea of progress
Simon thought they could progress if they had the maturity to not cheat death or wage war against the entire universe for their selfish needs, which he proved with his actions at the end

Hence, technologically advanced society at the end that thrives on cooperation and ethical framework
Anonymous No.281281244
>>281281185
I know but like the midwit that he is thinks people can't tell it's obviously him
Anonymous No.281281257 >>281281277 >>281283209
>>281281214
You can live on the surface in real life, but you can't resurrect the dead or prevent tragedy. That's the entire point. And no you can't conjure up giant robots in real life but that's just an analogy for tech in general.
Anonymous No.281281274
>>281281202
imagine how hilarious it would have been if we got to watch the entire cast argue that they need to just sit on their asses and do nothing while she slowly disappears because that's what's for the best
Anonymous No.281281277 >>281281308 >>281281315 >>281281341 >>281281416
>>281281257
Why are people all calling saving Nia while she's still alive resurrecting the dead?
Anonymous No.281281308
>>281281277

They are retarded edge boys who believe people should suffer for the sake of suffering
Anonymous No.281281315 >>281281397
>>281281277
There's no "saving Nia while she's alive". She's going to die no matter what they do. They need to conjure up Godlike powers to prevent that. She's tied to the Antispiral, and with the Antispiral's death she dies.
Anonymous No.281281341
>>281281277
I assume because that's what the show does and they're just parroting it. No one brings up the topic of saving her life in the first place. She just dies and then they go "we shouldn't bring her back, Simon is no god". In fact IIRC no one but Simon and Nia knew she was gonna die until it happened. The writers deftly sidestepped the issue.
Anonymous No.281281348
>YOU'RE SO GOOD AT DIGGING BLUE DEKU
>That means you're the most powerful warrior
This show had Bay movie lvls of logic
Anonymous No.281281397 >>281281444 >>281281455 >>281281600 >>281283628
>>281281315
>She's going to die no matter what they do
That's not said anywhere in the show. They just do nothing with no discussion and you have to assume what would happen if they tried. Considering the way the arguments are getting phrased it seems the people arguing it was right to do nothing think she could have been saved with spiral power.
Anonymous No.281281416 >>281281522
>>281281277
Because it doesn't matter. Both 'rescuing her' or 'resurrecting the dead' are one and the same since both would require the omnipotent power of spiral energy, a power that can be easily abused
>bro he's 100 years old but he's not dead yet, we're just curing his heart cancer
Anonymous No.281281432 >>281281879
>>281281202
I don't think you know what words mean
Anonymous No.281281444 >>281288262
>>281281397
>That's not said anywhere in the show.
It's always funny that tourists from /v/ shitpost about shows they don't even watch
Anonymous No.281281455 >>281281467 >>281281555 >>281281621
>>281281397
>That's not said anywhere in the show
Yoko literally says "Simon isn't a God, he can't bring her back". It's that simple. If they don't entertain the idea of doing things the non-godly way then it means it's not applicable, by basic logic alone. (You) are whining because you think there are non-god ways to fix this, but the show is perfectly clear this isn't considered at all. Sorry, the show is clear about how its magic works: this is a godly task, it cannot be performed without going onto the path of spiral nemesis, no matter how much you whine about it.
Anonymous No.281281466
>>281270265
FPBP
Anonymous No.281281467 >>281281505
>>281281455
I'm talking about saving her before she disappeared.
Anonymous No.281281499
>>281271430
Cartoon toddlers are delusional
Anonymous No.281281505 >>281281558 >>281281600
>>281281467
Yes, and they never even considered there to be a way to do that beforehand. When Simon looks at her flickering in the final battle, nobody says "hey, it's okay, just give her some basic spiral chemio". Nia says "it's okay, we have to do what we have to do" and Simon looks at her with solemn eyes, resolved to walk forward. It's as explicit as it gets. THERE IS NO WORKAROUND.
Anonymous No.281281522 >>281281562 >>281281693
>>281281416
>I'm sorry, we have to let your 20-year-old daughter die of cancer, it's just the way of the universe and anything else would be a gross abuse of power
Anonymous No.281281555
>>281281455
Not according to ttgl fans and their self mastorbutory power scaling
Anonymous No.281281558 >>281281590
>>281281505
That's explicit that he didn't try anything. Not there's nothing he could do while she was alive. Saying that one line after she died doesn't mean anything for the time before she disappeared.
Anonymous No.281281562 >>281281600 >>281283231
>>281281522
>wrong analogies
This is basically this entire thread.
Anonymous No.281281590 >>281281714 >>281281832
>>281281558
They didn't try anything because it was obvious there was nothing to try. It's shown in the final battle. It's shown after the final battle.

You're a manchildren trying to argue the writers of this silly cartoon story don't understand how their magic system work and should have spent time showing the inner workings of that magic system when the story itself is crystal clear.
Anonymous No.281281600 >>281288262
>>281281505
>>281281562
The tourists haven't even watched the series, there's no point replying to their shitposts in any way besides telling them to go back to /v/

>>281281397
>That's not said anywhere in the show
Anonymous No.281281621
>>281281455
We're shown otherwise but I guess this show is more tell don't show
Anonymous No.281281693 >>281282421
>>281281522
These posts are kind of ironic. It's understandable to be afraid of death and cling to life, but we live in an uncaring universe. Gurren Lagann shows an answer to this fear. Yet instead of either acknowledging this answer, or giving another one, you just go back to fear.
Anonymous No.281281714 >>281281758
>>281281590
Ok so how does spiral power work if it's so crystal clear? Be specific.
Anonymous No.281281758 >>281281856
>>281281714
>how does spiral power work
Kind of like the writers want
And the writers said "Nia's condition? That require Godly intervention" based on how they wrote the story and how the characters reacted to it. Just like if you wrote someone getting an incurable illness and nobody brings up it can be cured by drinking some milk, then you assume the illness is, indeed, incurable.
Anonymous No.281281832 >>281281862 >>281281934 >>281281967
>>281281590
The show was all fight the odds, do the impossible, except this one thing is the literal end of the universe, even though it clearly isn't.
>he can't use spiral energy to save Nia
Lord genome new body in the final battle
>well if he did that the universe will collapse
Do it in the magic pocket universe the anti-spiral made that somehow makes doing that kind of thing okay actually. Anti spiral was somehow powering that without causing the deadly spiral nemesis in the original universe too so Simon and Nia could just live there.
I'm not claiming I know the magic better than the creators, just that they showed the exact pieces that solve the issue and said no to them and not to think about it instead. Nia could have just had a sacrifice in the final battle or been the key to destroying the anti-spiral during that fight, but they instead chose her dying long after the fight when everyone is all the way back to Earth.
Anonymous No.281281856
>>281281758
>Kind of like the writers want
Hmm... that's not very specific, almost like there was no thought put into it. Also ESL lol.
Anonymous No.281281862
>>281281832
>I'm not claiming I know the magic better than the creators
Well obviously, you haven't even watched the show, tourist
Anonymous No.281281879 >>281281995
>>281281432
Nice argument.
Anonymous No.281281934 >>281281990
>>281281832
>except this one thing is the literal end of the universe, even though it clearly isn't.
The show tells you it is. It is.
>Lord genome new body in the final battle
No, you said it yourself, it's a temporary "thought = matter" dimension. It's not the real world.
>Anti spiral was somehow powering that without causing the deadly spiral nemesis in the original universe too so Simon and Nia could just live there
That's just stupid. There are tons of reasons why it might not work or suit their needs in any way. Besides, Lordgenome was a head at that point. He still had a consciousness. Nia was about to completely disappear. Even without that, if you're trying to find technicalities about the weird symbolism parallel dimension then you should know this was completely hopeless.
Anonymous No.281281967
>>281281832
They used up an entire multiversus of energy and threw galaxies around with no problem but saving somebody from spiral A.I.Ds is TOO FAR MAN WOOAAAH
Anonymous No.281281969
>>281270061 (OP)
Yoko x Simon is the whole idea and nothing else matters.
Anonymous No.281281990 >>281282007
>>281281934
>Lordgenome was a head at that point. He still had a consciousness. Nia was about to completely disappear.
Except she made it all the way back to Earth on the return trip. That was nowhere near instant death.
Anonymous No.281281995
>>281281879
>Phoneposting
Anonymous No.281282007 >>281282288
>>281281990
She was running on fumes, it was merely a matter of time. She held out for a while, but again, it was clearly and obviously hopeless.
Anonymous No.281282107 >>281282126
>>281270265

I guess this type of thinking must occurred naturally to cucks

Kills the person cucking you, in his dying breaths he makes you promise to cuck yourself. “ok….”
Anonymous No.281282126 >>281288262
>>281282107
>cuck obsession
Straight out of /v/
Anonymous No.281282129 >>281282178 >>281282536
>>281270265
This.

The point is that infinite growth is impossible. We need to embrace The End eventually. It's BECAUSE of Kamina's death and the sacrifices of untold many that the spiral race managed to live and flourish how they were at the end of the show. Reversing that, taking away the meaning of sacrifice, is the Spiral Nemesis. The opponent of Growth.
Anonymous No.281282178 >>281282227
>>281282129

What was the point of the show then, they should’ve stayed underground
Anonymous No.281282227 >>281282313 >>281283505
>>281282178
Do you think living in a hyper-advanced sci-fi city is worse than being a cave dwelling monkey?
Do you refuse to live your life because you will die one day?
You can't have happiness unless sadness is there to oppose it. Happiness exists BECAUSE sadness exists. Growth exists BECAUSE decay exists. Things cannot grow without something else being lost or absorbed.
Anonymous No.281282288 >>281282319
>>281282007
Running on fumes would be her dying while they were still in Gurren Lagann. I even would have been okay with that when they refused to have her make a heroic sacrifice or be killed by a method they had to use to fight and kill the Anti-spiral.
Anonymous No.281282313 >>281282344
>>281282227

None of that really matters if you can’t save your loved ones
Anonymous No.281282319 >>281282540
>>281282288
>I would have been happier with my wife dying in the car accident than being kept alive a little while longer in the hospital.
you're a psychopath
Anonymous No.281282344
>>281282313
I can tell you've very young and you've yet to develop mentally, so I won't try too hard to convince you otherwise. Sometimes you need to spend some time in the dark to appreciate the light and all that jazz.
But I will say that you're going to experience loss one day, and life is going to continue on. People will be happy, develop bonds, lose them and keep living whether you like it or not. That's just how it is.
Anonymous No.281282421 >>281282509 >>281282524 >>281282536
>>281281693
nta but the part that annoys me in your side of the argument is implicit cope around death among other irritating anti human tropes going decidedly against key themes of this work
muh don't play god, muh she lives on in your memories or something, we got around number of obstacles but THIS one right ahead just happens to be the final insurmountable one, what a bummer
The possibility of keeping her alive through spiral power should have never been presented
On a deeper level death has to simply not exist and we must have souls otherwise everything is futile, but that's way more that the show is trying to handle, so whatever
Anonymous No.281282509
>>281282421
What is anti-human about it?
Well before you answer that, first let me ask you, what separates us from animals?
Anonymous No.281282524 >>281282627
>>281282421
>The possibility of keeping her alive through spiral power should have never been presented
I think it's a very important issue that needs addressing. SHOULD you save your loved one? What if that sets a precedent that everyone should save their loved ones? What if nobody ever died? What if there was no more consequence? Should we just not fear anything and never feel challenged because we can just spiral power it out?
That merely reverses the spiral. Simon says it himself in the final battle, it's because of the dreams of the lost and the hopes of the still living that the spiral even exists. Growth and development is supported on pillars of an inevitable end. That doesn't mean it's not worth living. Don't destroy the foundation because it's not convenient or happy enough.
Anonymous No.281282536 >>281282594
>>281282129
You just outlined with perfect precision the kind of mindset I was complaining about here >>281282421
This is so incredibly cucked and so blatantly contradict the show's themes.
Humans strive towards infinity by nature.
To accept death is to accept futility, madness and despair.
Anonymous No.281282540
>>281282319
The narrative message of her death being unavoidable would have made more sense if they didn't show Simon having lots of time to spin his wheels and let it happen when he had the power to try something even if it wouldn't work. Her dying right after the anti-spiral achieves that, gets the humans shouldn't play god message across, and closes all the arguments being had here.
Anonymous No.281282594 >>281282658 >>281282676
>>281282536
>contradict the show's themes.
How? Simon became a legend greater than Kamina because of his sacrifice. He never would have reached those highs should Kamina have lived forever. He'd forever be in his shadow.
>To accept death is to accept futility, madness and despair.
Wrong. Because death exists, people are driven by purpose and insight. It's precisely the tool that gives man his flame for creation.

But I don't expect a boy who unironically uses the word Cucked and Cope to understand that.
Anonymous No.281282627 >>281282640 >>281282672 >>281282727
>>281282524
Death doesn't give life meaning or whatever. I'm baffled every time I hear this not writing more essays as I'm on my phone, so just be assured that you are entirely and obviously wrong
Anonymous No.281282640
>>281282627
>Phoneposter is retarded
every time. Normalfags should have never been allowed to access the internet.
Anonymous No.281282658
>>281282594
Obsessing over language forgetting role of words as mere signifiers is a signature midwit trait, not surprised to hear it from "muh death is cool actually" guy
Anonymous No.281282672 >>281282711
>>281282627
yeah and Kamina never should have died, nor should anyone else. Everyone should have just lived happily ever after and Simon should have just spontaneously manned up for no reason.

The show has made a continuous effort to show people dying and the next generation going further and further than the last.
Anonymous No.281282676 >>281282712 >>281282824 >>281283134
>>281282594

I don’t know what kind of cope this is but it’s unnatural and anti human.

It’s weird to have an anime about fuck yeah there are no limits to at the very end go jk, lol can’t save your wife she has incurable aids sorry lol. It’s so contradictory it gives you whiplash
Anonymous No.281282711 >>281282733
>>281282672

Those characters death served character development. What was the point of Simon becoming a homeless begger instead of just retiring into obscurity with a couple of kids and his wife
Anonymous No.281282712
>>281282676
>I don’t know what kind of cope this is
I know, you've made it very obvious you don't understand very much at all.
Anonymous No.281282727 >>281283059
>>281282627
Don't fall into the trap of nihilism, anon.
Anonymous No.281282733 >>281282833
>>281282711
You legitimately talk like a sociopath. You're completely incapable of integrating a message and comparing it to the reality it's mirroring.
Are you on the spectrum by any chance?
Anonymous No.281282736
I'm just glad you fellas are still talking about gurren lagann
Anonymous No.281282803 >>281282859 >>281282860
Dragonball is the Disney to Gurren Lagann's Tolkien.
Anonymous No.281282813
>>281270061 (OP)
It don't matter, none of this matters. The answer to the spiral power dilemma was interesting when it was posed on Getter Robo, but Ishikawa died and we are stuck with this feelgood bootleg.
Anonymous No.281282824
>>281282676
Your baits are just plain obvious now
Anonymous No.281282833 >>281282866
>>281282733
This is exactly why I say you should never trust someone who is obsessed with TTGL's ending. Saying "eh I don't like bittersweet endings" is one thing, ranting on and on as if it's supposed to be bad storytelling is another thing entirely that reveals bright red flags.
Anonymous No.281282859 >>281282887
>>281282803
>Dragonball is the Disney to Gurren Lagann's Tolkien.
Anonymous No.281282860 >>281282919
>>281282803

End of lotr Frodo goes to the land of the immortals
End of gurren Lagan Simon loses his wife and becomes a bum

Yeah even Tolkien knew to put something positive in its ending
Anonymous No.281282866
>>281282833
Yeah same. "Oh man sucks Nia died, would have been wonderful if she wound up living with Simon." Is a perfectly normal statement and one I have no problem with. Criticizing something without understanding just makes me rage.
Anonymous No.281282887 >>281282956
>>281282859
https://www.theculturist.io/p/why-tolkien-hated-disney
skip the subscription shit, the few paragraphs there says all it needs to.
Anonymous No.281282919 >>281282996
>>281282860
>There's nothing positive about humans and beastmen living together, reaching out across the vast universe and communicating with all sorts of spiral races out in the universe.
>Nothing positive about Simon going around planting flowers all over the globe or teaching kids the proper way to drill.
You do not want happiness, you can't even recognize it.
You want mindless indulgence. You've attributed happiness to having a GIRLFRIEND only. You're pathetic, not even a man.
Anonymous No.281282956
>>281282887
Oh I see, you mean the way they both approach powerscaling.
Anonymous No.281282996 >>281283031 >>281283033
>>281282919

I have no issue with happiness I have an issue with a forced cucking at the end for “reasons”

The type of pseudointellectualism that equates suffering for the sake of suffering is good is nothing but regurgitated Calvinist drivel. Sacrifice constantly for the sake of sacrifice is nothing but Aztec barbarism
Anonymous No.281283031 >>281283216
>>281282996
So go complain about it on /pol/ where you tourists belong
Anonymous No.281283033 >>281283052
>>281282996
Just stop. Its so obvious
Anonymous No.281283052
>>281283033
Anonymous No.281283059 >>281283127 >>281283227
>281282640
saw this limp dick retort coming miles ahead. You're dull
>>281282727
I'm doing my best but some of the anons here are trying to drag me to join their misery
To expand on my previous points, death can be a face of change, can play important narrative parts, but only so far as it isn't, well, real, final.
It all has to be embedded in some outer context, if it isn't it just consumes all value.
Outer context is commonly described as the spiritual.
Maybe I'm just failing to read the room, maybe this is all assumed by the writers, maybe deeply thinking about what death actually is is too distressing.
i guess the ending is good enough as it is and I just reacted reflexively on a tangential take with my first reply
Anonymous No.281283127 >>281283151
>>281283059
Fighting against the reality of death isn't misery, that's literally how people move on.
The cope is trying to solve death.
Anonymous No.281283134 >>281283198
>>281282676
Gainax wanted that sad wedding scene and to be profound, logic and themes be damned.
Anonymous No.281283151
>>281283127
Helping Nia before she disappeared wouldn't have been solving death. She was still alive.
Anonymous No.281283162 >>281286749 >>281286810
>>281270061 (OP)

FTFY
Anonymous No.281283198 >>281283266
>>281283134
The logic and themes are very solid specifically because of the sad wedding scene.
Simon just saying "fuck it, let's do exactly what we were warned about lol" and reviving Nia setting the stage for a massive spiral implosion would be retarded.
Anonymous No.281283209
>>281281257
>You can live on the surface in real life, but you can't resurrect the dead or prevent tragedy. That's the entire point.
You missed the point, retard. To the villagers it was impossible to reach the surface. You cannot see what the characters saw and decided to go beyond.

It was impossible to reach the surface until they did.
It was impossible to thrive on the surface until they did.
It was impossible to defeat the anti spirals until they did.
It was impossible to save Nia until they decided 'lol guess we can't we all have limits bro'.

You think it's 2deep4u because you're a edgy retard and all you can do as argument is call people tourists.
Anonymous No.281283216 >>281283298
>>281283031

You are the one who brought up Tolkien. The lotr equavelent would be leaving Sam and Frodo to die at Mount Mordor because muh sacrifice or having one sacrifice himself to save the other, it would still leave a bitter taste for no good reason except to cuck your euphoria from the resolution of the plot
Anonymous No.281283227 >>281283312
>>281283059
>To expand on my previous points, death can be a face of change, can play important narrative parts, but only so far as it isn't, well, real, final.
>It all has to be embedded in some outer context, if it isn't it just consumes all value.
>Outer context is commonly described as the spiritual.
Hmm I don't know maybe there was a whole multiverse labyrinth part about this that hinged on negating a certain traumatic death.

Phoneposting tourists who don't even watch the series lol
Anonymous No.281283231
>>281281562
>I'm sorry we have to let the infection kill your daughter because if we did it'd be going against the cycle of life and death
Anonymous No.281283266 >>281283329
>>281283198
>Simon just saying "fuck it, let's do exactly what we were warned about lol"
You mean like when him, Kamina and Yoko went to the surface?
Anonymous No.281283298 >>281283337
>>281283216
>You are the one who brought up Tolkien
No, because I don't give a fuck about some Western hack. Tolkien's bullshitting doesn't matter to analysis within the otaku framework. Kill yourself back to /pol/ where people care about that dude.
Anonymous No.281283312 >>281283422
>>281283227
Wouldn't think this take would be too difficult for you to chew through.
well not going to spoonfeed you
Anonymous No.281283329 >>281283602
>>281283266
Gurren Lagann really is too big brained for you. I'm amazed.
Anonymous No.281283337 >>281283422
>>281283298

Cucking for the sake of cucking, you make yourself too easy to read
Anonymous No.281283369 >>281283465 >>281283509
>>281281233
>Simon thought they could progress if they had the maturity to not cheat death or wage war against the entire universe for their selfish needs, which he proved with his actions at the end
That's completely arbitrary, though. That's the problem with what you are doing: you are presenting a frame work that makes no fucking sense to the universe.

Spiral power is a tool. They used it to overcome obstacle after obstacle, going in the face of people who told them they just can't.

Now you'd have an argument if Nia died at the final battle. But no, this whole argument is because saving her is NOT RESURRECTING THE DEAD. It is saving someone who is dying. It is worlds apart.
Anonymous No.281283412
>Falling for bait from a phoneposter using the words cuck, midwit and cope
c'mon guys.
Anonymous No.281283422 >>281283789
>>281283312
Bro just kill yourself. You said dumb shit and got immediately trashed for it and now you're backpedaling into claiming people just don't understand the point you were trying to make. TTGL is a spiritualist work, you're just too retarded to understand it because you have a dumb person's understanding of spirituality.

>>281283337
I mean you don't even try to hide your tourist nature when you rant about cucking as if anyone is supposed to give a fuck so keep going
Anonymous No.281283465
>>281283369
>this whole argument is [headcanon invented specifically to endlessly shitpost about]
Yep, tourist
Anonymous No.281283472 >>281283554
>>281270265
You enjoy cuckshit and love roasties too right?
Anonymous No.281283505
>>281282227
>Do you think living in a hyper-advanced sci-fi city is worse than being a cave dwelling monkey?
It is, because it is at risk of causing the spiral nemesis. By your own argument they should have stayed in caves.
Anonymous No.281283509 >>281283674
>>281283369
>Spiral power is a tool.
It's not just a tool. Think about why Simon was able to generate more Spiral power than other people. People who just want to use Spiral power however they want wouldn't be able to do the feats that Simon did.
Anonymous No.281283554 >>281288262 >>281291009
>>281283472
>roasties
See, when you call the tourists out they throw tantrums and use even more of the native language of their echo chamber to demonstrate how much they don't fit in

This is how gatekeeping on the board needs to be run from now on. Get rid of the tourists from /v/ and /pol/ who hate anime and do nothing but shitpost.
Anonymous No.281283602 >>281283629
>>281283329
That's not an argument. You have yet to present an argument besides calling people tourists or saying they don't understand the work.
Anonymous No.281283628
>>281281397
The show clearly frames Nia to have struggled immensely to maintain her personality as the Anti Spiral messenger by which she was chosen by sheer randomness (The anti spiral's words).

At the wedding Viral literally says "It's amazing she held on for that long."
Anonymous No.281283629 >>281283725 >>281283746
>>281283602
You have refused every single logical argument and continued to repeat yourself. You are the anti-spiral, the enemy to logic and morality. Raw emotional drivel.
Anonymous No.281283674
>>281283509
>It's not just a tool
It's not just a tool, no. It's humanity's drive to go beyond it's limitations.

Simon sure as shit didn't draw more spiral power because he was content to stay in the cave.
Anonymous No.281283725 >>281283750 >>281283792
>>281283629
>You are the anti-spiral, the enemy to logic and morality. Raw emotional drivel.
lmao you say this shit and expect anyone to take your silly ass seriously.

The arguments that have been refused are all variations of "IT JUST IS OKAY" rephrased ten thousand different ways. Because you don't actually have an argument besides it.
Anonymous No.281283746
>>281283629

You are the anti spiral cuck there is no internally consistent logic to lel using spiral power to save Comrad from death = ok but saving your wife from cancer = bad

It was a shitty ending added to in to cuck you emotional for no good reason
Anonymous No.281283750 >>281283786
>>281283725
You won't take anything that disagrees with you seriously to begin with, it's really not a loss.
Anonymous No.281283786
>>281283750
>YOU JUST HAVE TO OKAY IT JUST HAS TO UR DUMB UR DUMB UR DUMB

You have no argument. The only argument you had was 'DON'T BRING PEOPLE BACK FROM THE DEAD' and people keep pointing out that Nia wasn't fucking dead.
Anonymous No.281283789 >>281283835
>>281283422
Retard bro...
When you're this bad mocking isn't even worth it
Anonymous No.281283792 >>281283856
>>281283725
Your only argument is "IT JUST ISN'T, OKAY?!" rephrased ten thousand different ways, samefagged, phoneposted, and the whole nine shitposting yards
Anonymous No.281283818 >>281283949 >>281283990 >>281284072
None of this babble means anything since the whole thing outed itself as an idealistic children mindset with the ending.
>humanity isn't that stupid
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Anonymous No.281283835 >>281284144
>>281283789
You're such a dumb piece of shit that you can't even keep up with insults lol
Anonymous No.281283856 >>281283923
>>281283792
Sterling arguments, anon.

>anon you can't bring back the dead
>she wasn't dead
>REEEEEEEEE TOURIST PHONEPOSTER POL
Anonymous No.281283923 >>281284000
>>281283856
You have no actual argument, you haven't even watched the show which is why your nitpicking for the purpose of shitposting gets basic facts wrong. You're a tourist from /v/ who hates anime and only engages with it ironically which is why you're incapable of being genuine.
Anonymous No.281283949 >>281286298
>>281283818
>SHONEN is LE BAD, coz uhhh SHONEN IS UNREALISTIC
Look out guys. We got a grown up over here!
Anonymous No.281283990 >>281284113
>>281283818
We aren't stupid but we are sinful.
The wars, killings and dictatorships will always be a thing even when peace is achieved.
Anonymous No.281284000
>>281283923
>You're a tourist from /v/ who hates anime and only engages with it ironically which is why you're incapable of being genuine.
Holy projection, Batman.
Anonymous No.281284015 >>281284162
Simon believes in you who will gatekeep tourists from /v/ in order to ward off the spiral nemesis
Anonymous No.281284072
>>281283818
>ideals are bad
>because.... it just is
Anonymous No.281284113 >>281284140
>>281283990

Using power to kill peoples is fine but saving one sick person, lel no universe will end
Anonymous No.281284140 >>281284163
>>281284113
Using power to regrow a whole body is okay but using power to regrow a whole body is not okay.
Anonymous No.281284144
>>281283835
you sound very upset
Anonymous No.281284152 >>281284260
Destroying all medicines and hospitals is based though.
Survival of the strong.
Anonymous No.281284162 >>281284289
>>281284015
Too much effort. Just accept death like a mature person.
Anonymous No.281284163
>>281284140
y not
Anonymous No.281284260 >>281284376 >>281284413
>>281284152
It's more like destruction of the fossil fuels that release greenhouse gasses and will make Earth a living hell for future generations.
Anonymous No.281284289 >>281284334 >>281284508
>>281284162
>here's the medicine to save your daugjters and sons from the awful sickness they have
>nah I am mature so I will let them all die
Lol
Anonymous No.281284334
>>281284289

If you save one dying person eveyone will have nukes or something

So they have to die, look at how mature I am
Anonymous No.281284366
Why is this literal child having a meltdown now? lol
Anonymous No.281284373
>people still crying about ttgl's ending
this is great
Anonymous No.281284376 >>281284431
>>281284260
research nuclear then, don't just give up
Anonymous No.281284413 >>281284477 >>281297531
>>281284260
But I'm fine? we have more pollution than GL world.
They still have trees and forests as well so no excuses other than shit writing is involved.
Anonymous No.281284431 >>281284507
>>281284376
Yes, that's the plan. However, you cannot deny that a ton of resources are being wasted on rabid consumerism for the pure sake of making money, and then those fossil fuel companies are actively lobbying against renewable energy to continue their monopoly.
We'll probably end up ruining our future potential this way.
Anonymous No.281284477 >>281284497
>>281284413
>yas sir but im fine
Anonymous No.281284497 >>281284675
>>281284477
Oh look, a post that belongs on /pol/
Anonymous No.281284507 >>281284521 >>281284561 >>281291114
>>281284431
Oh, we are branching off to global warming now? alright
Fossil fuel companies sustain civilization I'm living in, they can lobby, profiteer and make the weather warmer as a treat
Anonymous No.281284508 >>281284535 >>281284708
>>281284289
You know Boota couldn't maintain his human and had to revert despite receiving giga amounts of spiral energy from Team Dai gurren during the finale right?

How the fuck is Nia supposed to be kept alive as a fucking Anti Spiral without 1 gorllion spiral energy batteries running 24/7.
Anonymous No.281284521 >>281284651
>>281284507
lol I'm not surprised that someone who hates the ending of TTGL would be a bootlicker
Anonymous No.281284535 >>281284630
>>281284508
How did she survive before?
Anonymous No.281284556 >>281284657
well hey if you wanna revive Nia, let's revive everyone else too!
Anonymous No.281284561
>>281275980
>It's not really about intelligence, it filters for greed and selfishness
>>281284507
Anonymous No.281284630
>>281284535
>How did she survive before?
You mean her personality when the Anti Spiral program activated? Her love for simon.
Anonymous No.281284651 >>281284748 >>281284778 >>281284785 >>281291114
>>281284521
Communist retard whining about overconsumption implying that we should shrivel up and try to solve our problems by "degrowing" instead of expanding(obviously against ttgl spirit, btw) and who falls for dumbest psyops imaginable is calling me a bootlicker.
The ending is fine
Anonymous No.281284657
>>281284556
Yea they should've at least tried. Otherwise it's forced tragedy.
Anonymous No.281284675 >>281284729
>>281284497
>talks about politics
>gets told about politics
>REEEEEE POL POL POL
Anonymous No.281284683
>>281273279
Would be very funny if those future spiral beings just go "yeah whatever boomer, I'm doing thing my way, fuck your shitty failed marriage".
Anonymous No.281284708 >>281284858
>>281284508
He was the x machina so the team doesn't get killed instantly.
After the labyrinth his job was done so he was no longer needed.
Anonymous No.281284729
>>281284675
Okay tourist
Anonymous No.281284742
>>281275807
The very practice of using "play god" as a pejorative is anti human
To always reach upward, always be discontent and hungry for more and surpass limitations is our nature and our destiny
Anonymous No.281284748 >>281284828 >>281284929
>>281284651
>"degrowing" instead of expanding(obviously against ttgl spirit, btw
Lol there's a lot of waste of resources that have nothing to do with the expansion of humanity. Did you miss the Multiverse Labyrinth where they fell into the trap of decadence and had to navigate their way out? You're just an animal who doesn't want to his toys taken away.
Anonymous No.281284778 >>281284828
>>281284651
>renewable energy is communism
retard
Anonymous No.281284785 >>281284828 >>281284848
>>281284651
>Communist
Hello tourist from /pol/
Anonymous No.281284828 >>281284849 >>281284932
>>281284748
I guess you win now that you did a remote psychoanalysis of me based not on what im saying but the voices in your head
>>281284778
>>281284785
more of the same
Anonymous No.281284848 >>281284932
>>281284785
>brings up real world politics
>gets disagreed with
>POL POL POL
Anonymous No.281284849 >>281285190
>>281284828
You made a really bad argument. I'm just glad anyone with a brain can see that.
Anonymous No.281284858
>>281284708
>the rules don't count because tvtrope
Anonymous No.281284929 >>281285071
>>281284748
That part was about looking towards reality and not being trapped in the past aka the labyrinth of despair.
It was the one moment the show didn't fumble.
Anonymous No.281284932 >>281284944
>>281284828
>not on what im saying
What you say marks you as an obvious tourist with dogshit opinions

>>281284848
Sorry tourists but racism and using buzzwords like communist as if they're supposed to be negative is always going to make you stick out as foreigners from /v/ and /pol/. Since you're deranged scum compelled to talk that way, you're simply never going to fit in.
Anonymous No.281284944 >>281284967 >>281284981
>>281284932
>Sorry tourists but racism and using buzzwords like communist as if they're supposed to be negative
lol
lmao even
You aren't fooling anyone, newfag.
Anonymous No.281284967
>>281284944
ikr
It's too obvious
Anonymous No.281284981 >>281284997
>>281284944
Please go on a racist tirade so the janitors bop you too. Sometimes they seem game to do a bit of gatekeeping.
Anonymous No.281284993
>>281270061 (OP)
nah, yoko and simon are the soulmates of ttgl
Anonymous No.281284997 >>281285020
>>281284981
Anon I think you have the wrong site. Twitter is over there.
Anonymous No.281285020 >>281285052
>>281284997
Oh what's that, you're not going to do it because you know there might be consequences? Just leave, tourist, you don't belong here and you'll never fit in.
Anonymous No.281285051
You need to understand. The Antispiral only lost because manifesting Nia was sucking all their energy. You could say she's high-maintenance.
Anonymous No.281285052 >>281285084
>>281285020
Faggots like you will never turn 4chan into twitter, you know that, right?
Anonymous No.281285071
>>281284929
>looking towards reality
I agree. We should look at the reality of our actions and make the best choices for the future of humanity. And I don't mean with a perfect, robotic efficiency, but we should at least be headed in the right direction.
Anonymous No.281285084 >>281285117
>>281285052
Tourists like you will never turn /a/ into /v/, you had a good run but it's over
Anonymous No.281285117 >>281285167
>>281285084
>anybody who disagrees with me is /v/
You're so buttmad that you lost an argument that now you're trying to bait out the jannies into banning the people who told you off. That faggoty behaviour is pure twitter, to which you should return.
Anonymous No.281285118
Reality isn't freedom.
The string do whatever they want and that is the new reality.
If it includes starving people to death and killing anyone for whatever reason so be it.
Anonymous No.281285167
>>281285117
It's hilarious how all of your pretense shatters when you start complaining about twitter. Who gives a fuck about twitter except tourist pieces of shit steeped in the culture war on /v/ and /pol/. You're incapable of fitting in lol
Anonymous No.281285190 >>281285226 >>281285238
>>281284849
Fossil companies directly fuel our civilization and amongst other things empower you to whine on the internet
They are like Simon from my favorite japanese cartoon TTGL that produces spiral energy to liberate mankind from chains of nature
Say thanks to your local fossil fuel representative!
Eco activists, unfortunately, completely ruined their image by pushing anti-civilization policies under guise of more noble motives.
They're like anti spirals. Smh
Anonymous No.281285226
>>281285190
It's impossible to take eco activists seriously after the bullshit with 'green energy'. It's such an obvious grift that isn't any better for the planet.

The only eco activists I ever respected were the ones who repped nuclear power. It's so far the most sustainable.
Anonymous No.281285238 >>281285502
>>281285190
>Fossil companies directly fuel our civilization and amongst other things empower you to whine on the internet
Nuclear could do the same thing.
Anonymous No.281285420 >>281285544 >>281292176
>>281270405
There's a few manga adaptations, but the one I know fore sure is Gurren Gakuren, where everyone is students beefing with Beastmen Academy.
Kamina is still alive, and actually meets Nia. They get along amazingly.
Also Nia has Multiple Personality Disorder. Normal happy Nia, and gloomy dark Anti-Spiral Nia.
They both love Simon, so it's cool.
Anonymous No.281285502
>>281285238
Nuclear is build upon fossil.
Anonymous No.281285544 >>281285769
>>281285420
>Also Nia has Multiple Personality Disorder. Normal happy Nia, and gloomy dark Anti-Spiral Nia.
>They both love Simon, so it's cool.
that sold me on reading it
Anonymous No.281285769 >>281285817
>>281285544
It's also just one volume long, so you could probably finish it before the thread 404's.
Anonymous No.281285817 >>281286002
>>281285769
I just finished it. Seeing Nia so affectionate with Simon scratched an itch I didn't even know I had.
Anonymous No.281286002
>>281285817
It's at least one world where they get to be happy together.
Maybe there's others like it, I know one of the manga is the source for this ridiculous mecha I bought with I think 9 component robots.
Anonymous No.281286246 >>281286334 >>281286364
>>281270061 (OP)
>Look at how righteous I am for refraining from attaining this good thing!
So many Japanese stories boil down to this retarded notion, be they romance or shonen. The double dose of radiation definitely turned the whole race of them into cucks.
Anonymous No.281286298 >>281286370
>>281283949
>Being a delusional tranny is LE... GOOD!!
Anonymous No.281286334
>>281286246
It's just the hack writer trying to cobble together some semblance of meaning out of this collection of tropes and platitudes
Anonymous No.281286356 >>281286384 >>281286604
It's really telling that the simple message of temperance in the face of destroying everything we have makes people so angry. So many people are incapable of accepting sometimes you need to not be selfish for the benefit of mankind. That unrestrained and unchecked selfishness leads to ruin (you are here).
Anonymous No.281286364
>>281286246

100%. But worst yet are the cucks who buy into it
Anonymous No.281286370
>>281286298
Being a tourist from /pol/ is bad
Anonymous No.281286384 >>281291073
>>281286356

KYS now then, thanks
Anonymous No.281286554 >>281286624 >>281286857 >>281297531
>Hurr being humble is good
>Also neba gib up, habeeb in urself and blah blah blah
Yea no shit, what's the point of pointing out the obvious. A show with decent writing would explore why that in a compelling manner instead of just telling you that it is because that's what the writer decided.
Anonymous No.281286604 >>281291073 >>281292293
>>281286356
>it's selfish to save a loved one
Anonymous No.281286624 >>281286692
>>281286554
Okay tourist, when are you going to quit samefagging to whine about a show that triggers you because you're a selfish piece of shit? You throw these tantrums about all sorts of shows with progressive moral messages all day every day so I guess we have to wait for your addictions to kill you.
Anonymous No.281286692 >>281286802
>>281286624
Okay cuck, when are you going to quit life over people complaining about anime that triggers you because you are a giant cuck You throw these tantrums about people complainining about communist value all day I guess we have to wait for your bull to kill you from pegging.
Anonymous No.281286749
>>281283162
>The only way for Simon to actually die and the only way one of Yoko's grooms can survive long enough to impregnate her
Anonymous No.281286802
>>281286692
I do it because you losers have these break downs where you start ranting about weird shit like bulls and pegging and communism that shred any pretense you're anything besides a piece of shit tourist. I'm not going to stop because it works.
Anonymous No.281286810
>>281283162
the strongest gattai
Anonymous No.281286857 >>281287082
>>281286554

honestly i agree at this point. The japanese are beyond saving.

Imagine making a story about expoential power growth to the point of throwing galaxies around but no you cant save your sick wife or have kids. Its like the cuck mindset is deeply ingrained at this point.
Anonymous No.281287082 >>281297531
>>281286857
Yea it's writing for npcs who seek others or groups to tell them what to think
Anonymous No.281287380
Kamina dies a virgin
Simon gets cucked right after wedding despite being the most powerful being in the universe

at this point i think Japense people enjoy cuckodry
Anonymous No.281287766 >>281287900
>>281270061 (OP)
I don't understand why this bait threads always get so many replies
Anonymous No.281287900 >>281288028
>>281287766
Because the Gurren Lagann ending is a basic story trope that's been told lots of times of a hero failing to save a loved one and growing from the experience. Except most stories make it so that the loved one's death is something the hero didn't know about ahead of time and has no power to stop, either by the hero being too late or the death being caused by something the hero has no power over. A modern classic example is Superman's adoptive father dying to a heart attack and Superman getting back too late to do anything for him despite his wishes and power. This breaks down in Gurren Lagann because Simon both knows about the impending death of his love and has the power to save her if he so chooses which is a break down in the proper use of the trope making the message much more nihilistic compared to the rest of the series.
Anonymous No.281288028 >>281288077 >>281288100
>>281287900
They literally tell you why they can't do it, they literally need to revive every single person on earth if you start using that power. And the whole Kamina's death arc was telling you why that is dumb
Anonymous No.281288075
>>281270061 (OP)
picrel? endgame.
Anonymous No.281288077 >>281290790
>>281288028
>saving this one terminally ill person from death is the exact same as reviving every single person who has ever died
Anonymous No.281288100 >>281288119
>>281288028
>they literally need to revive every single person on earth if you start using that power
Again, you didn't read what I posted. Nia was alive before the wedding. I'm talking about helping her then, not after she disappears. The show avoids mentioning anything about her until that point so the writers don't have to address the fact no one did anything while she was right in front of them. That makes the dialogue work in the scenes after she dies, but those points don't apply while she was still alive.
Anonymous No.281288119 >>281288581
>>281288100
>The show avoids mentioning anything about her until that point
These tourists don't even watch the shows they shitpost about
They just take summaries and general knowledge of shows they know are associated with /a/ and pull contrarian bullshit out of their asses nonstop
Anonymous No.281288207 >>281288715
>>281275555
that's because TTGL copied everything Getter Robo did without understanding why it's like that in Getter
it's just a surface level "homage" series without any depth
Anonymous No.281288262 >>281288349 >>281288448
>>281278123
>>281279514
>>281280304
>>281280405
>>281280617
>>281281078
>>281281444
>>281281600
>>281282126
>>281283554
Why is this faggot so obsessed with /v/
Anonymous No.281288349 >>281288448
>>281288262
Every so often on this Portuguese bug-catching forum, you'll find someone who is incapable of rational thought and resorts to repeating the same words ad nauseum. We call these "schizos." I speak from experience when I say it's genuinely scary how many of these people infest this site. I'm a fa/g/ myself, and on my board we have one guy who is obsessed with repeating the word "eleutheromania" and "eleutheromaniac." Seriously, look it up in the archives.
In short, mental illness.
Anonymous No.281288448
>>281288262
>>281288349
>>281288364
holy samefaggot
Anonymous No.281288478
Why is the butthurt janny deleting posts?
Anonymous No.281288581 >>281289399
>>281288119
I like how you made sure to avoid responding to both posts. Let me guess Simon got a look from Nia therefore it was impossible even though she was still alive, right?
Anonymous No.281288715 >>281288761
>>281288207
Not him, but I don't think that's fair to say. For all that Gurren Lagann directly lifted from Getter Robo, the mere fact that Spiral Power is "only" a limitless source of unobtanium energy, which means what it's used for is entirely up to the biological entities that wield it, whereas Getter Rays are portrayed as a form of equally limitless but cosmically sentient energy fundamentally changes the dynamic of what humans (and sentient aliens) are to do when engaging with it. In Getter Robo, Ishikawa died before answering the question of whether the aliens that tried to destroy the earth were right since Getter Rays are ultimately indeed the death sentence of the (multi)verse, and humans are just the vehicle to carry out its agenda as shown during Getter arc, orbif it's actually a quasi benevolent force that knows what it's doing and will eventually lead the universe into a greater purpose and has chosen humans as the actors of its will as shown at the end of Shin Getter robo, so we'll never know for sure. But GL tries to do something different by having spiral power itself be a completely neutral, the question is no longer about Man vs God or Man vs Technology, bht about Man vs Man at its core.
Anonymous No.281288761
>>281288715
So to answer your question, I don't think Imaishi or Nakashima of all people didn't understand the fundamental mystery of Getter Robo or why the series becomes increasingly more spiritual, but rather that they simply wanted to use the concepts in GR to explore an entirely different question.
Simon Salva !tMhYkwTORI No.281289399
>>281288581

Qrd?
Anonymous No.281289463
>>281271430
facts
Anonymous No.281289515
>>281270405
yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhQ30iVqS2A&t=2175s
>>281270573
lol?
Anonymous No.281290790 >>281291584
>>281288077
>saving this one terminally ill person
Nia was basically a walking corpse by the time of the wedding. Did you faggots even watch the show? Or listen to a single interview where the director, writers, etc explained this shit over and over because faggots like you couldn't accept a single fictional death?
Anonymous No.281290864
>>281271430
You don’t even believe this.
Anonymous No.281290997 >>281291122
>>281270265
I love how the replies to this post proves that a stupid show like Gurren Lagann somehow manages to go over the heads of your average TTGL fan.
Anonymous No.281291009
>>281283554
>Effeminate psychologizing
Anonymous No.281291073
>>281286384
>>281286604
>teenager reads nietzsche literally one time
Anonymous No.281291114
>>281284507
>>281284651
What a useful goy.
Anonymous No.281291122
>>281290997
Gurren Lagann filters midwits.
Anonymous No.281291448
>>281270265
FPBP. So many dumb fucks watch this show.
Anonymous No.281291461
>>281272053
Anonymous No.281291584
>>281290790
Don't bother. The samefag will never engage in deducing the in-show logic behind his hypothetical to save Nia because it's obviously dumb and impractical when considering how Spiral Energy was used by the characters.

He relies on mental gymnastics on the motifs of spiral power and curing muh cancer to bait and will never address the opened cans of worms that creates, despite the show literally spelling it out.
Anonymous No.281292106
>muh cuck
>muh /pol/shit
>muh npc
So the schizo behind the Mob Psycho hate threads also dwell here. Leave it to an edgelord with dark triad tendencies to never get the moral of a show and sperg out when the characters didn’t use their abilities according to his power-tripping headcanon
Anonymous No.281292120 >>281294518
>>281270265
I'd honestly be fine if Simon went out like a shooting star in the final battle, immortalized in victory. If Nia can't outlive the Anti-Spirals, that'd be the logical place for her to go. Instead she lives for weeks before dying of space AIDS and Simon gets to spend the rest of his life alone as an aimless bum. It felt really arbitrary and awkward.

Or make it necessary to prop up Super Spiral Space for Nia to survive, an obviously bad and unsustainable thing. Simon should go with her, because he's the most powerful Spiral energy wielder and biggest Spiral Nemesis risk. Simon and Nia happily marrying in the collapsing dimension not giving a shit about anything else would have been great.
Anonymous No.281292176 >>281292455 >>281292552
>>281270061 (OP)
>>281270265
Childhood is taking the ending of Gurren Lagann at face value as a triumph of the human spirit.

Adolescence is raging against the arbitrary unfairness of only going so far but no further with doing the impossible.

Adulthood is realising that ultimately, whatever he does Simon will be reunited with Nia in the afterlife (and yes, there is one, given Kamina showed up to give Simon a peptalk; it's clearly some sort of spiral bullshit) so he might as well live his life in honour of the fallen instead of waste it clinging to the past like the Anti-Spiral did.

>>281285420
>They both love Simon, so it's cool
Holy based.
Anonymous No.281292293
>>281286604
You couldn't even save yourself let alone your dumpster fire of a series from being pathetic jujutsufaggot
Anonymous No.281292455 >>281292748
>>281292176

adulthood is realizing Gainax loves ragebait endings and its a good thing they went bankrupt
Anonymous No.281292552
>>281292176
>and yes, there is one, given Kamina showed up to give Simon a peptalk; it's clearly some sort of spiral bullshit
Oh to be a fly on the wall in the afterlife when Yoko dies and gets reunited with Kamina and Kittan.
Anonymous No.281292748
>>281292455
I wonder how much of that was them trying to recreate the conditions that made Gunbuster's ending so good
Anonymous No.281293498 >>281293610 >>281293702 >>281293983
Call me autistic but I've always hated it when cartoons try to hamfist a moral message by saying "one extreme is bad, therefore you must go to the other extreme, you must reject the allure of power and instead find meager happiness in your life as a poor and miserable cuck".
Even though there should be a million ways to find a good middle ground.
From american cartoons to anime, that sort of message is everywhere and it keeps pissing me off.
Anonymous No.281293610
>>281293498

its forced cucking is what it is
Anonymous No.281293702
>>281293498
Gurren Lagann went for a nuanced message though.
Anonymous No.281293775 >>281294356
Gurren Lagann is about growing up from a boy to a man. Unfortunately, it’s so good at exactly this, that it attracts a lot of boys, and loses them when it shows them what growing up means.
Anonymous No.281293983 >>281294053
>>281293498
>I've always hated it when cartoons try to hamfist a moral message
Name 3 examples
>Even though there should be a million ways to find a good middle ground.
You say this yet you propose reversing everyone's deaths in the show. Stick to isekai lil bro, stop samefagging and try to cool it with your cuckoldry obsession.
Anonymous No.281294053 >>281294317
>>281293983
>you propose
>samefagging
that was my first post in this thread
>Name 3 examples
not going to entertain a schizo
Anonymous No.281294317 >>281294555
>>281294053
>Name 3 examples
>Erm I'm not going to entertain a schizo
you might as well say you've got nothing to support your bait
Anonymous No.281294356 >>281294545 >>281295045 >>281296635
>>281293775
What's the moral difference between saving people from being killed by the antispiral's monsters and saving one person from antispiral conversion sickness?
Anonymous No.281294518
>>281292120
Simon cant die yet, he needs to plant flowers around the world, just like he promised to Nia
Anonymous No.281294545 >>281295400
>>281294356
>saving one person from antispiral conversion sickness?
You can't save someone that is the sickness, Nia is the sickness
Anonymous No.281294555 >>281294834
>>281294317
I was going to give you examples until I saw that the second half of your post was schizobabble about how everyone in this thread is just one guy samefagging.
Better luck next time.
Anonymous No.281294834 >>281294854
>>281294555
>ctrl+f =cuck
>24 results
>all drivel posts
>Heh I'm gonna refuse to elaborate my bait because I'm called out for using cross-board retard language
>smug.jpg
Even if you're samefagging or not. I don't give a shit. Just go back
Anonymous No.281294854
>>281294834
>Just go back
is this a bot post?
Anonymous No.281295045 >>281295300 >>281295311
>>281294356
>antispiral conversion sickness
That is some shit you just made up
Anonymous No.281295300 >>281295400 >>281295410
>>281295045
What do you want to call what happened to Nia for the purpose of discussing it? Or are you saying no one is allowed to discuss the show now?
Anonymous No.281295311 >>281295400
>>281295045
>That is some shit you just made up
That was my reaction when it killed Nia. I don't even like Nia, it was just dumb
Anonymous No.281295400
>>281295300
>>281295311
Please >>281294545
Anonymous No.281295410
>>281295300
She's an artificial being who's form collapsed once her source was destroyed.
Anonymous No.281295521
>Such a mysterious reaction, is it not, irregular?

>Why do you go against us to such an extent?

>You are but a virtual life form inserted into a Spiral gene.

>Once the remnants of the Spirals evolve and raise their banner of revolt, you would become our messenger.

>That is all there is to your existence.

>Being born as the child of a Spiral warrior and falling in love with a Spiral warrior were all simply a coincidence.

>You are not special in any way.

>To see a messenger resist this much is a rare occurrence.

>The reason you resist, and the reason for their stubbornness, if we are able to find it, we would be able to annihilate them in a single breath.

>No matter how much you probe my body, you will never understand it!
Anonymous No.281296635 >>281297060
>>281294356
One is rebellion against a false reality constructed by strict authoritarians who chose subjugation over personal responsibility.
The other is a rebellion against actual reality that marks the moment humanity chooses personal responsibility over reckless power-anarchy.
Anonymous No.281297060 >>281299411
>>281296635

anti-spirals win, thanks for the pep talk
Anonymous No.281297259
CRUST THE UNCRUSTABLE
BAKE THE THE UNBAKEABLE
DOUGH
DOUGH
GRIND THE FLOWAH
Anonymous No.281297386
>the tourist is still whining
lol
Anonymous No.281297414 >>281297531 >>281297553 >>281298041 >>281299470
Maybe GL isn’t a genius brilliantly crafted show if the final nuance of the ending message hinges on a massive plot contrivance based on implications and suggestions that you need to do a lot of interpretative heavy lifting in order to resolve. Just consider that although you can read the show this way, it’s not necessarily the only or the most convincing reading of what the story ends up saying thematically, which reflects poorly on the writing.
Anonymous No.281297442 >>281297553 >>281299964
But it's SAD that she died. Don't you get it? That means the story is DEEP and MOVING. People love that kind of tugging on your heartstrings!
>proceeds to fuck up Darling Franxx with the same kind of bullshit no one likes
Anonymous No.281297471 >>281297553 >>281301459
>450+ posts
How does /a/ do it?
Anonymous No.281297531 >>281298041
>>281297414
>>281287082
>>281286554
>>281284413
There's a certain tourist who strings together meaningless buzzwords to obsessively talk about "writing"
I'm sure you've seen this guy doing the same with other shows too lol
Anonymous No.281297553 >>281301444
>>281297471
A lot of these >>281297414 >>281297442
Anonymous No.281298041 >>281299748
>>281297531
I posted >>281297414
and I don’t get what your problem is with pointing out that the anime’s themes are conceptually sound as you explained but not conveyed well in execution. How are you a tourist just for not praising GL unilaterally?
Anonymous No.281299411
>>281297060
You’re unironically low IQ if you think that’s what I said.
Anonymous No.281299470 >>281299636
>>281297414
It’s only heavy lifting if you’re a retard. Your personal failing as an audience member has no bearing on the quality of the show.
Anonymous No.281299636 >>281301298
>>281299470
The fact that you have to resort to ad hominem through calling others tourists and retards in order to defend the plausibility of your interpretation over alternatives only proves that it’s not as conclusive as you claim it is. The show is a lot more muddled in how it conveys its ending theme and leaves plenty of ambiguities that allow for readings counter to what it intended which you seem unable to dismiss hence you resort to petty name calling.
Anonymous No.281299748
>>281298041
>How are you a tourist just for not praising GL unilaterally?
Imagine trying to behave this way on 4chan 18 years ago lol
Anonymous No.281299964 >>281300159
>>281297442
It seemed like they really wanted that sad wedding scene and didn't really think about the logic behind it existing, since it creates the question of 'well why the fuck didn't they do anything to save her?'
Anonymous No.281300159
>>281299964

they got around that by having her die suddenly. but yeah, its one giant circle jerk to create a forced Diabolus Ex Machina
Anonymous No.281301298 >>281302342
>>281299636
It’s factually accurate. You are a simpleton.
Anonymous No.281301444
>>281297553
See>>281279445 as well
Anonymous No.281301459
>>281297471
Yoko's monster tits
Anonymous No.281301525
>>281271430
Samurai Jack was more like an Urobuchi ending where a major cheat power is revealed at the climax and then everything gets quickly resolved as a result.
Anonymous No.281302342 >>281302450
>>281301298
You present no counter argument and only offer ad hominem, as I stated before. Saying “it’s obvious” doesn’t count as proof when all real examples you’ve given are throwaway ambiguous lines and silent looks that don’t state the plot point in uncertain terms, nor does the show have rigorously established rules for how spiral energy works to the point where you could draw conclusions about what it can and can’t do with certainty.
Anonymous No.281302450
>>281302342
Does it ever sting a little that everyone immediately trashes you for being as dumb as you are despite how hard you try to fit together these buzzwords to create fake arguments? Is that why you samefag to agree with yourself sometimes?