Thread 281305409

Why is Isekai so prevalent? It's been a popular plot device for the past 15 years or so

why is isekai for girls a million times better than the absolute dogshit that boys consume

>>281305468
Except mushoku tensei mogs everything on top by miles

>>281305409 (OP)
Why do girls like Tanya so much?

isekai has been popular for at least over thirty years and your picture proves it
>durr why is entertaining narrative device that makes fantastical stories easier to relate to so popular
>hurrr durrrr doiiii uhhhhhhh durrrrrrrrrr
next you'll ask why people like pretty characters or jokes in their series or something

>>281305409 (OP)
> Failure Frame/Mushoku Tensei in...
> No Konosuba.
Trash.

>>281305468
M8, it's a troll image.

>>281305468
The bottom is all just recent stuff just so you can hold that biased opinion of yours. It doesn't even have Skeleton Knight, which mogs Failure Frame.

>>281305649
Women are obsessed with military and history.

>>281305714
Wrong, bitches hate military, adventuring and dungeoneering. Its all about romance, academy and slow life for hoes. Escaflowne/Rayearth/Tanya have Shounen Demographics if I'm not mistaken when it comes to where they were published. I get it might be hard to understand.

>>281305409 (OP)
It is no longer "popular", though
It has already run its course and people have long shifted back to Rom-coms
Many isekai are also just rom-coms nowadays

>>281305409 (OP)
I prefer isekai for successful high-IQ CEOs.

>>281305669
Konosuba is trash, why bother wasting space on it?

>>281305814
> Says Mushokupleb.
lol.

>>281305468
Women can actually write.
Men can’t.

>>281305863
Kek, he took it. Don't worry I just said that since your post was asking for it. I don't really care for Konosuba, the only thing I like about it is the Vanir spin-off

>>281305714
anon those aren't women

>>281305468
you only feel that way because you are on your period
>>281305880
and you only need to pay women 70% of the salary!

>>281305409 (OP)
>the good isekai all have novels or manga licensed by YP, 7S and Viz

I thought JNC was known for being carried by isekai?

>>281305880
>Shoujo fantasy
I will never read your slop novel.

>>281306037
>I thought JNC was known for being carried by isekai?
Anon said good Isekai.

Is this an isekai city?

>>281306037
JNC is slop central since kadokawa partnership

>>281305687
>>281305688
it's not a troll image, it's simply showing the most popular series

>>281306180
Nobody knows about Failure Frame.

>>281306180
>Tanya for girls
you are not convincing anyone.

Is she for girls?

>>281306175
RIP
Kadokawa are the worst

>>281305966
> Konosuba has 2 best girls: Megumin and Darkness.
> Mushokupleb has shit taste and says its trash.
heh. NGMI.

>>281306288
for human men

Tanya is for boys and Rayearth is for men

>>281306175
>>281306111
This. JNC only has slop isekai since Kadokawa got them. They’re not a good publisher anymore.

>>281306288
female author

>>281306261
Tanya's editor and translator is a woman

Man, boys have such dogshit taste.

>>281305688
>It doesn't even have Skeleton Knight, which mogs Failure Frame.
the problem with failure frame is that it's unironically a slow burn, the entire first arc is boring as fuck aside from the initial dopamine rush when the MC properly awakens his powers, and even then half of the second arc is slow as shit, THEN shit kicks off proper and it becomes kino
also the reason i don't recommend it, nobody should endure through slogs for that long to "get to the good part"

>>281305409 (OP)
Girls watch Tanya? even as a guy, all the military stuff bored me to death.

>>281305409 (OP)
Have you seen the miserable life of a Japanese employee? It's only natural that any overworked person would want to be reincarnated into a world of magic and fantasy.

High school romcoms lasted more than 40 years. CGDCT so far has lasted more than 20 years. Isekai is already slowly dying out.

>>281306175
>>281306727
which is comical because JNC's translations are still miles better than the 4kids shit YP and 7S do

>>281307840
>Isekai is already slowly dying out.
From your lips to gods' ears.

>>281307774
Sounds like projecting from the modern westoid world.
Have you submitted your ID to big brother yet btw?
>>281307840
>Isekai is already slowly dying out.
I have been hearing this literally since SAO.
2 more weeks, this time for sure.

>>281305688
>Skeleton Knight, which mogs Failure Frame
Delusional. People were discussing FF years before the anime came out, and will years afterwards. Nobody gives a fuck about the Overlord copy with erufu waifu slop. You're that one obsessed autist from /isekai/ trying to shill your dead series that you just discovered.

>>281307954
Compare this season to last season. Actually the number of isekai hasn't slowly dropped, it's dropped significantly.

>>281308003
probably because everything got delayed to next season anon, with tondemo s2 and mushoku s3 falling in the same season due to the delays, plus more

>>281305409 (OP)
I remember a discussion and it's due to the current (or a few years back) japanese society. The children grew up started to struggle in the university entrance exames or job market. Becoming ronins repeatedly trying and failing, becoming NEETs, entering super tiring jobs for anything they could do and so on.
Isekai is escapism, death in this life to one of the old fantasy realm they played when they were kids like Dragon Quest. Wish fulfillment in that the knowledge they got wasn't useless and so on.
Though nowadays that got dilluted a lot. Everyone is trying their hand at it and everyone equally consuming it. Lately not even isekai itself, but rather fantasy wish fulfillment of being recognized as useless in a high ranked party, being kicked out and then joining a party that actually recognizes their worth and shooting up the ranks, liek someone leaving a black company and finding a much better company to work at.

>>281305409 (OP)
>The isekai for males is pure trash

Btfo.

>>281308391
No, it's just a metaphor for leaving the shitty overrated hellhole cities that suck out your soul for profits behind and go to more rural areas where your expertise will be much more rare and much more valued.

All this talk about "wish-fulfillment" has just spread because of people wanting their consumption of fiction to be recognized as "more socially acceptable" than others. But in the end it's all fiction all the same. Many an author will claim that the "message" they convey in their work is superior to others. But no, it's just fiction, period. Even all the fiction by Shakespear is no different. People who studied anything related to literature which is just a dead-end job-path use all that fancy rating of fiction stuff to justify their existence.

>>281307954
>Sounds like projecting from the modern westoid world.
Have you submitted your ID to big brother yet btw?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salaryman

>>281309019
i think your bot broke glowiebro

>>281307961
I disrespectfully disagree.

>>281305468
Because the Isekai for girls is just shoujo with extra steps, and shoujo is the superior genre.

>>281305880
>mfw the art in the books looks much better than the anime

>>281305468
kys

>>281305409 (OP)
>Inuyasha
>For girls
It’s shonen you retarded newfag

>>281305526
lol

>>281308926
>shakespear
ah yes, the famously rural main cities that every isekaifaggot is dropped off into

>>281312705
well yeah, do you think they look urban or what

>>281305409 (OP)
shit authors

>>281305769
They're not in it for battles or military strategy, but there is an interest in watching high status males compete with each other. Especially if there's a lot of nonsense about royalty and family bloodlines. There's a reason the LOGH reboot looked like an otome game adaptation.

>>281305409 (OP)
>Tanya in isekai for girls
By far the most rage-inducing part of this shitpost and that's saying something

>>281305468
lies

>>281305526
haha no

tensura and konosuba somehow have a lot of female fans as well as a sizeable male fanbase. inuyasha is shonen even though it feels shoujo at times, escaflowne is very rarely popular in Japan nowadays and the only fanbase are middle aged female otaku, while still it has a sizeable shonen and shoujo enjoying fanbase internationally. mushoku tensei fanbase is pretty clear, but there are still female audience for it somehow. tanya is popular with everybody.

>>281305526
Facts.

>>281305659
>isekai has been popular for at least over thirty years and your picture proves it
"Isekai" is a lousy description for the modern day slop. The actual term you are thinking of is "narou-kei".

>>281305806
Go back to fellate Elon, truthful_ast.

>>281314916
even that was a forced buzzword when there's 3 different mainstream wn sites, not including people self publishing on blogs like how SAO was originally done, and not counting people submitting their scripts to publishers the old fashioned way

>>281305526
I like MT but lol no lets get real

>>281305659
ive never seen a single person complaining about the plot device
its always complaints about the execution

>>281305880
>a woman ruler
>a CAPABLE woman ruler
lol
lmao
this is as much wish fulfillment as a harem

>>281314935
>when there's 3 different mainstream wn sites
Nah, Syosetu mogs them all. Start counting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shōsetsuka_ni_Narō#Selected_works

>and not counting people submitting their scripts to publishers the old fashioned way
I know Japan has an enormous editorial industry, but the odds of anyone getting published from an unsolicited manuscript are essentially zero.
See that photo? That's the average manuscript pile for your beginner editorial assistant.

>>281314949
It's true, my dude. MT wins out all the shojo classics there

>>281305468
Because you’re a tranny who idolizes women. There’s an entire generation of boys raised to hate themselves.

>>281315024
>I know Japan has an enormous editorial industry, but the odds of anyone getting published from an unsolicited manuscript are essentially zero.
Publishers tend to get so many scripts like that to the point most of them tend to run small contests every 3-6 months to see which they accept to turn into published series or one offs.
Big publishers like kadokawa and their labels and overlap even offer cash prizes.
That you didn't know something authors commonly whine about on afterwords after finally passing a contest is at best comical, at worst shows you're a tourist trying to push a narrative.

>>281315036
I think fushigi yuugi is the only shoujo on there.

Isekai is an extremely easy and cheap writing technique, the Minecraft Movie was an isekai

>>281305880
FYI, Anon: Sayaka Ono also wrote Shiki.
https://youtu.be/ypQCC1DmBCA?t=79

>>281315091
rayearth and escaflowne both are as well

>>281315089
>That you didn't know something authors commonly whine about on afterwords after finally passing a contest is at best comical, at worst shows you're a tourist trying to push a narrative.
What? This literally proves my point: getting an editor to read your manuscript is essentially winning a raffle. Why else do you think novice writers flock to Syosetu? Getting an audience beforehand is the shortest route to getting published "for real".
You have better odds by trying your luck at magazine sweepstakes, Nasubi-style. Hell, even scratch-offs have a winner some 5% of the time.

Easy to write. Normal fantasy is hard because you have to be able to do world building well, and it's hard to write characters for a world you've never personally experienced. Non-fantasy is also hard because it's hard making the mundane interesting.

>>281315206
>Why else do you think novice writers flock to Syosetu? Getting an audience beforehand is the shortest route to getting published "for real".
good fucking luck with that lol, out of a gorillion new series on WN sites only a small handful of them get approached for publishing
getting a publisher's editors to read your script is far easier to rolling the internet fame roulette, especially with how fucking cutthroat both narou and the sister site are these days with demeaning higher and higher quality and unique works to even be noteworthy, let alone actually stand out

>>281305409 (OP)
I've seen Mushoku Tensei (loved it)
Seen Re:Zero (liked it)
Dropped Shield Hero at the 1st or 2nd ep (hated it)
Seen Escaflowne (loved the beautiful art HATED the story)
I wonder which of the rest I'd like or HATE.

>>281306175
The latest announcements honestly made me feel bad for them. What was Sam thinking....? Out of what, 6 or 8 new titles, only one was okay, and it's a spinoff novel. How? What sort of retard is making these decisions?

>>281315259
>getting a publisher's editors to read your script is far easier to rolling the internet fame roulette
I sincerely doubt that. At least you'd get some sort of feedback on a website, compared to sending a manuscript blind and hoping you get on the top of the slush pile.

>both narou and the sister site are these days with demeaning higher and higher quality and unique works
This is supposed to be a typo, but it really isn't.

>>281307071
James Balzer isn't a woman, friend. Not Steinbach, not Richard either. Emily only did 2 novels in a 14 book series.

>>281315333
Can you cut out the mental gymnastics over getting outed as a newfag and doubling down and tell me which eceleb's video you got your arguments from? It would save everyone a lot of time and make things easier.

>female
kek
Good one, Tanyabros.

>>281315368
>getting outed as a newfag
Nigger, I've probably been on this website for longer than you have lived.

>and tell me which eceleb's video you got your arguments from
Sorry, I do not cut my hair to look like a broccoli floret.

>>281305688
>Skeleton Knight
Bad anime. Protagonist has a big titty goth wife that loves him, still goes into the dungeon instead of plowing her and their field of rare medicinal herbs/poisons every day.

Failure Frame is better because MC functionally is engaged to his elf wife, it's just on hold while he gets revenge.

>>281315419
>Nigger, I've probably been on this website for longer than you have lived.
yet you still know jack shit about jp industries
how curious

>>281315452
>getting a publisher's editors to read your script is far easier to rolling the internet fame roulette
Please do not tell me you actually believe this nonsense. Yes, Syosetu is like any other social media website, with thousands itching to get noticed. And yet, even that approach works out better than sending your manuscript to the slush pile.
Going from recent anime adaptations alone, there are considerably more stories that came originally from Syosetu than, say, an "established" author publishing in Dengeki Bunko.

>>281305714
The most retarded statement on /a/ right now

>>281315543
Your "sources" are wikipedia links anon.
I find it comical anyone can even trust that website after that one jew literally admitted to gaslighting the world by using himself as a source to make up a legendary nigger samurai and trying to get his gay fetish into history books.

>>281306175
They still license some non-isekai things sometimes since they got acquired e.g. StepExes, Inou Battle, Anos-sama, Rebuild World, Rakudai, all got licensed after the acquisition, it's just that nobody buys them.
also they do still get good isekai sometimes (I personally find TRPG, Sevens, Dorkness, Otome Heroine, Trials and Tribulations, Conqueror from a Dying Kingdom, Fake Saint, Zilbagias, Nia Liston, Mythical Hero's Otherworld Chronicles, and D-Genesis all decently readable to name a few)
I think though that their very business model predisposes to Kadokawa forcing most of the slop on them, since as a digital first publisher they can make a profit on garbage that Yen Press or Seven Seas would never think justifies the cost of a print run.

>>281315039
Ironic because all the shonen isekai is either an MC who hates themselves or a self insert all powerful god. Either way it caters to wimpy SIMPs.

>>281316053
It has to stop at some point. Completely.

No Wife, No Problem: A Mage's Life with His Beloved Daughter
Romance Revived: An NPC Was the Final Boss's Love
An Unruly Summon [ ENGLISH ORIIGNAL TRASH ]
The Despicable Duke Settles His Affairs [ BL trash ]
ATLAS: Her, the Combatant, and Him, the Hero [ Even more ENGLISH ORIGINAL trash ]
Blade Skill Online: Crushing the Competition with My Abysmal Stats, Useless Class, and Garbage Weapon!
This Gyaru’s Got a Thing for...Vampire Hunters?!
Flung into a New World? Time to Lift the 200-Year Curse!
Worthless at Home, Whiz to the World
Even Exiled, She's Still the Beloved Saint! St. Evelyn's Weird and Wonderful Friends.

All of these villainess garbage crap.

No one will buy them. No one will read them. No one will love them. It's hijacking the potential to focus on interesting stuff elsewhere. It'll all get axed in 3/4/5 volumes in. Translator probably won't even be able to give a shit because of how boring everything is for the original JP stuff. The authors mass churn them out with no interest or care. It's completely useless garbage drowning out the potential for anything worthwhile to be licensed. Worse of all is the CEO's fucking autistic insistence on only, on absolutely only exclusively licensing what's 'safe, shiny and new' because of his fucking ineptitude at picking up works that stood the test of time and which still can be successfully enjoyed today.... But hey, at least they licensed Rakudai, which despite being from 20 fucking 13, is definitely selling well for them. Maybe that'll get them to change on that. If these fuckers are chasing cheap IPs for cheap success, they'd have infinitely better chance just by digging through Dengeki's older stuff.

>>281305769
>rayearth
It very much did not. It was published in a shoujo mag

>>281316336
>It'll all get axed in 3/4/5 volumes in.
Not really, a lot of it lives long and healthy publishing lives, in japan that is.
>Worse of all is the CEO's fucking autistic insistence on only, on absolutely only exclusively licensing what's 'safe, shiny and new' because of his fucking ineptitude at picking up works that stood the test of time and which still can be successfully enjoyed today
Anyone that gives a shit about LNs has been importing the originals or at least buying them digitally because of the rampant insane censorship with trannylations, if anything it's highly likely they straight up learned japanese exactly because they either got sick of translations taking forever (rance X is still not out in westoidese btw), because of the censorship, or both.
Anyone casual enough to not care they are being served fanfic excrement on a plate is sticking to anime dubs.
LN TLs are a dead industry so fucked they have to cope with literal indog slop because their push to TL gook and chinkshit already flopped.

>>281316385
No, they don't last long in Japan either. What lasts long in Japan is always in some measure guaranteed to be good as with the story of Anos ( which recently concluded in a splendid fashion). Everything listed above is dogshit, and you can confirm as much by opening their bookwalker page and plainly seeing how the author scatters several series everywhere in hopes of just making more cash rather than pouring his soul into one thing. They even licensed another novel by the Knight&Magic guy who himself stated it was a throwaway project to experiment on how he'd write a certain setting. Let me ask you, what's the use in licensing that? A 2 volume series from a no name publisher that was setto wither and fade to nothing from the very beginning?

>>281316447
>good as with the story of Anos
lol
lmao even

>>281316451
So? That all you have to say? Its perfectly established itself alongside Dengeki's masterpieces right alongside GENESIS, Houkagogakari, Kino's Journey, Ilya's Sky, Toaru, Wizard's Brain, and all the rest. I don't care for purple prose or anything like that. Conceptually, it's one of the most interesting and stupendous LNs I read together with NISIO's Ningen and strongest series, and the ending gave me everything I could ever want.

>>281315369
He's lowkey cute

>>281316513
Again, anyone that cares about already established masterpieces is just reading them in japanese.
Westoid trannylators literally spent 3 decades attacking what should have been their target market and actively attacking "weebslop" and daring to act like their excrement is better than the original writing.
They kept doing it expecting normalfags to not care and people to continue mindlessly buying, then are surprised normalfags are in fact illiterate monkeys and the only ones that care about the source material would rather not give money to westoid saboteurs.

Another world can separate real social issues.
There is no need to consider black people or gay people.
America should follow suit.

>>281316053
I'm actually surprised they got Nia Liston since it's a pretty hot series popularity wise.

>>281305409 (OP)
>Why is Isekai so prevalent?
It is ridiculously easy to produce and editors will surf whatever is the buzz.
It also a good excuse to lower the standards for later productions.

Writing good characters? Just copypaste your public target, use magic to make the fat incel into a slender chad.
Writing good setting? Just make up on the go.
Writing good plot? Just find a funny twist, you don't even have to setup anything.

Just draw plenty of sexy girls and you are set.

>>281316336
>No one will buy them. No one will read them. No one will love them.
if nobody was buying them they wouldn't keep licensing them
also I'm enjoying blade skill online unironically.

>>281316578
>>281316385
anon, there is no avalanche of readers mass learning japanese and importing the originals. the ln translation industry is making profits hand over fist as they continue to hoover up all the slop, and shitpress gets away with fucking up translations all the time for the good shit that they cockblocked jnc from because nobody can tell the difference.