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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 10:48:10 PM No.281383715
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Did Miura really leave some notes or is it bullshit?
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 10:54:28 PM No.281383913
I couldn't care less, Berserk ended with his dead.
I only cared about the character interactions and the new team literally didn't know how to do dialogue.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 10:58:10 PM No.281384040
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>>281383715 (OP)
regardless of the Bersek situation, anon:
>story authors
>not making notes
>thinking you can keep ideas in your head only after 30
dude, how young are you
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 10:59:10 PM No.281384073
if I was writing a story for 30 years I'd have at least a few post-its laying around
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:01:42 PM No.281384152
>>281383913
>I couldn't care less, Berserk ended with the eclipse.
fixed and correct
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:04:14 PM No.281384225
>>281383715 (OP)
super convenient that they found notes after his death to continue the franchise and that he told the ending to his editor or something
i don't even think wheel of time and asoiaf will even have endings and miura surprisingly has them after stalling for 30 years. nah.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:09:48 PM No.281384403
>>281384225
>asoiaf
>wheel of time
both of those had endings you fucking retard
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:13:40 PM No.281384540
>>281384225
wot has an ending though
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:14:47 PM No.281384579
>>281383715 (OP)
If he had notes then they'd better show them or they're lying
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:20:43 PM No.281384749
>>281384073

Been writing some for 15 years. At the moment, I have more future notes than actual written chapters.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:46:29 PM No.281385399
>>281384152
Retarded poser talk
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:50:16 PM No.281385484
>>281384225
I do honestly think Miura did know the ending of Berserk and was just slow as shit, it's clearly pretty close. I don't think GRRM knows how he's gonna end his series at all, though.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:04:18 AM No.281385847
>>281385399
Why do retards hate so much the tonal change in the series? Did they really expect it to be all suffering porn? Only the most mentally ill mangaka would want to draw their MC suffering for 20 years.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:04:58 AM No.281385865
>>281385484
He has the good author's sense to know that Jon & Dany are destined lovers, but he doesn't have the courage to grant them the victorious passage to the throne his readers want and his story demands. He doesn't even have to sell out his grubby cynicism, since they clearly are related by blood, which would make their marriage & children illegitimate and therefore give cause for sedition to any faction that discovers the incest. (Imagine Jamie taking up his mantle as kingslayer and duelling Job to stamp out the Targaeryan line once for all.) Still, it's too romantic, classically fantasy, and just too kino for his grubby little heart to accept, so he shits himself and refuses to write for a decade while his reputation as an author & his audience' anticipation slowly rots. JUST PUT THEM ON THE THRONE TOGETHER YOU STUPID BASTARD IT'S THE EASIEST CLIMAX EVER.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:06:37 AM No.281385909
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>>281384749
this anon speaks truth
Now having clear idea of ending is not the same thing. It's not unlikely he had idea of where it should end in general, just not the details how to get there and how to make it cool and compelling.

think just "ring get destroyed, elves leave, Aragorn bangs Arwen, Sam bangs Rosie, Gimli only gets Legolas instead of Galadriel" versus the actual story how it happens
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:09:18 AM No.281385996
>>281385484
he told the ending to d&d and that's what they roughly adapted
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:10:35 AM No.281386017
>>281383715 (OP)
Most authors have a contingency plan hidden in their bank safety box just in case something happens leaving the seal and everything to someone they trust will follow the plan and stick to it.
Then you have hacks that create smoke because they knos their story is shit like togashi so needs to stay relevant otherwise it suffers from the lack of content
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:11:28 AM No.281386041
>>281385909

Thanks for being such a gentleman and understanding my post.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:11:38 AM No.281386046
>>281384040
nah im pretty sure miura was phoning in bullshit whenever he was forced to pay bills between hangovers and idolmaster benders
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:16:24 AM No.281386153
>>281384749
And I bet eventually the actual chapters will be nothing like the notes.

That's the big difference. Authors can keep notes and roadmaps, but as they continue living they keep changing his plans and most often than not what comes out in the end, has barely any resemblance with the notes.

Which is totally different to someone picking the notes and turn them into actual content
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:16:41 AM No.281386165
>>281386046
Often the manual work in storytelling is the blocker. You know what you generally want, but putting all the meat on bones takes so much time and energy, that's the main blocker unless you suffer from graphomania and you just projectile-vomit it spontaneously.

Now, it's good idea to remember that he didn't just have to write it, he had to fucking draw it. Man I can't imagine doing mangaka or comic artist work.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:20:35 AM No.281386268
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>>281383715 (OP)
It's pretty clear Miura knew how he wanted to end the series, roughly, because he ended up pulling the Idea of Evil chapter because he said it revealed too much, too soon. That's a pretty clear indicator that he knew how he wanted the story to go, and possibly end.
This also wasn't a dropped concept. He brings it up later on, when Guts is speaking with Flora about the vortex. She mentions how the behelits are sent to the world from the vortex (actually from the Idea of Evil) and also mentions that the God Hand are merely executors of some greater will deeper within the astral plane (and we are shown the vortex again)

But whether Mori knows what the fuck he's doing is another question, and from what we've seen, I'm of the opinion that he does not. I'm left wondering if he's ever actually read Berserk, because some of the shit that we've seen in the recent chapters makes no god damn sense and directly conflicts with established lore and worldbuilding. I use to be of the opinion that this was better than nothing, but now I believe it would have been best to leave the series unfinished indefinitely, because Mori is dragging it through the mud. It's saddening for me to see.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:23:01 AM No.281386318
>>281386153

I can 100% agree with you.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:24:54 AM No.281386367
>>281384749
I've only been writing for a few years myself, but I have a complete roadmap/synopsis of my entire series written out, and it goes on for about 28,000 words.
The problem is that as I write more and more, I end up going in and changing certain things, either because I thought up better ideas, my editor suggested I change certain plot developments or story elements, or because I simply changed my mind. The story outline I wrote back in 2023 is vastly different than the one I have no.
Example: in 2023, I had an entire segment where the protagonist and antagonist would go to a dimension analogous to heaven and basically fight God and the archangels (more specifically, the antagonist fights and defeats them, and the protagonist tries to stop him but is too late). In 2024, I decided this was retarded and didn't fit the overall theme of the story, so I reworked it into something more thematically consistent with the rest of the series.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:31:56 AM No.281386525
>>281386367

With all my heart, I hope your book will be a success.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:40:38 AM No.281386700
>>281386268
What do you think about Guts being sealed within a Stupa? Do you think that was a fabrication by Mori or something planned by Miura?
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:55:45 AM No.281387040
>>281386700
>Guts being sealed within a Stupa?
wtf?
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:57:43 AM No.281387081
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>>281387040
From the lastest chapter, when Daiba seals Guts inside the Stupa
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:59:17 AM No.281387120
>>281387081
Why did that happen? I dropped nu-Berserk after the Kusharts raided the boat.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:02:49 AM No.281387200
I just wanted to see more cute naked Schierke, fuck you mori.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:11:22 AM No.281387416
>>281387120
Apparently Daiba convinced their king or sultan to give him the custody of Guts because he was a ticking bomb and a danger. Then Daiba and his army brought Guts to a secluded Stupa in a remote location and sealed him there. It could be for Guts to confront something within the Stupa, maybe some entity or even himself but who knows. There are some corpses of Buddhist monks who died from starvation by trying to reach enlightenment around that place so maybe Guts will achieve it?
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:13:29 AM No.281387464
>>281387416
So basically he's supposed to learn to control his hatred.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:15:23 AM No.281387507
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>>281383715 (OP)
Anon they did a interview, he had NO notes and NO planned outlines, he just told them multiple ideas for an ending and everything else is fanfiction to fill in the gaps, they said they want this manga to go for multiple story arcs and at least 10 more years before ending so everything you are getting now is fanfiction, at least they're honest about just wanting to milk this shit
I however won't mind an anime which closely adapts the Miura parts and then crafts it's own ending, it would probably be better than anything the new manga comes out with
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:17:43 AM No.281387572
>>281383715 (OP)
>>281387507
>Matsuyama: I'd like to ask you one thing. In Berserk, Casca finally awakens.
>Torishima: I'm not really interested.
>Matsuyama: What?! It's been 22 years, Casca.
>Torishima: I told Miura-san himself that I don't really like the way the story of Berserk has developed since "Eclipse". To be honest, I'm not interested in it as a reader, so I haven't read it. Sorry (laughs).
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:20:17 AM No.281387655
>>281384152
fuck you, Lost Children is the best part of the manga and the conviction arc was fun.
It only gets bad when Schierke appears.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:21:12 AM No.281387678
>>281387507
In the interview they did say Miura shared ideas via Emails, so there's that
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:26:29 AM No.281387812
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>>281383715 (OP)
>>281387507
>>281387678
This one in particular
>Mori admits that with only what he knows, parts of the story still don't make sense. So the people involved in the project speculate together to "strengthen" the "original work".
reads like "yeah...we are making shit up"
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:28:38 AM No.281387869
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>>281383715 (OP)
>Mori says it's often difficult to know what Miura meant, and adds that he regularly forgets important things until after an episode is completed
>Mori admits that with only what he knows, parts of the story still don't make sense. So the people involved in the project speculate together to "strengthen" the "original work"
>From here to the end of Berserk, "there are still many difficult questions to solve, and there are things on which Miura had not yet made up his mind."
>He does not have a complete picture of the rest of Berserk. His memories of conversations with Miura weren't definitive
It doesn't get any more clear than that
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:30:20 AM No.281387919
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>>281387507
watashi rabu shiruke
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:35:56 AM No.281388051
>>281387416
>>281387464
probably going to get his ego back.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:37:01 AM No.281388079
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>>281387812
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:40:30 AM No.281388164
I think they are doing a pretty straight line approach to what Miura had written down. Nothing has felt grossly out of line as the whole point now was to tie the storylines together.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:43:52 AM No.281388240
>>281384225
Wheel of Time ended bro.
Rand sealed the Dark One, all three of his girlfriends were pregnant, whatsherface Ex-gf from the village died, the guy running the Black Tower finally got some respect, Perrin is King(?) of Aemon's Field and his wife was scheming with Rand's princess GF to try to set their kids up together without actually arranging a marriage, Mat orchestrated the defeat of one of the strongest evil wizards, the old dude married Moriane and had to find an extra ditch to stack Black Ahja bodies in because the first one got full.
It was pretty good, the only thing I hold against it is that all the kids from Aemon's Field didn't get to meet back up one more time before The Last Battle.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:45:06 AM No.281388264
>>281385865
>(Imagine Jamie taking up his mantle as kingslayer and duelling Job to stamp out the Targaeryan line once for all.)
That's pretty good, but I wanted him at the Wall so he could Kingslayer the Night King.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:50:05 AM No.281388398
>>281388079
Cute witch
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:50:25 AM No.281388406
>>281383715 (OP)
Miura leaving behind notes is 100% complete bullshit like the Dune creator's son claiming he has his father's notes. This is why I refuse to buy any new Berserk merchandise because I refuse to fund a grifter like Mori
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:54:26 AM No.281388499
he's just faking his death, that's why the publishing frequency is still as shit
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:55:34 AM No.281388517
>>281383715 (OP)
The East.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:06:58 AM No.281388783
>>281386046
Given how detailed late Berserk was, there's a zero percent chance that he was doing much other than drawing all he could until he physically couldn't any more.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:09:25 AM No.281388835
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>>281383715 (OP)
What the fuck was his problem?
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:54:26 AM No.281389791
>>281385996

yes, but GRRM supposedly wanted to make Tyrion evil. Tyrion was supposed to convince Daenerys to burn Kingslanding since he hated the people of Kingslanding who mocked him for being midget.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 3:22:00 AM No.281390303
>>281387812
this is a pedo manga
farnesse never gets a pity fuck by gatts
they carry the vegetal brown girl around like a pet. how fucking tiring and cringe. Sorry for you berserkfags
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 3:24:40 AM No.281390342
>>281390303
Why're you such a queer?
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 3:31:01 AM No.281390456
>>281387869
Yeh
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 4:26:19 AM No.281391469
>leaves manga to "best friend" who just happens to be one of the shittest, most insufferable faggot manga artists of all time
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 4:32:35 AM No.281391582
>>281391469
You have to tip your hat off to the guy who wrote a survival manga about an island full of suicides living extreme situations and decided that including some footnotes about how to desiccate tomatoes were appropriate.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 4:32:53 AM No.281391588
>>281385847
It's not about the tonal change, it's about the main characters being insufferable and boring, and the series losing a lot of what made it unique in favour of being closer to a standard fantasy setting.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 4:39:28 AM No.281391722
>>281387572
This burn hit so bad it killed Miura.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 5:24:23 AM No.281392581
>>281385865
That's the thing GRRM is incapable of delivering a satisfactory conclusion because it goes all against his edgy cynical world views
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 5:32:15 AM No.281392729
>>281391588
You sound like a pseud
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 5:39:10 AM No.281392852
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>>281390303
Every japanese artist draws lolis at least once
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 5:41:58 AM No.281392910
They found his notebook full of winning strategies for PS2 and PSP idolshit games but nothing about the manga.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 5:43:15 AM No.281392940
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>>281392852
>Every japanese artist draws lolis at least once
But only the good ones keep drawing them for the rest of their lives...