Thread 281463784

Official subs+dub are out for those in suspense about how those whores are doing this time

This and the last thread died with less than 10 replies in total. /a/ is fucking dead

Liked it a lot more than the first, that one jumped around way too much and was too spastic with the visuals.
Botan best concubine.

Yeah who cares about concubines spontaneously burning alive.

>>281464886
I'm avoiding threads until after I watch it

>>281466375
Politics and status is more important than a random maid burning to death.
DUH

It's time! We say thank you Netflix.
>thank you neflix

>>281464934 That's encouraging. I was dazzled at times during the first movie.

I'm seedin it, anons. RECEIVE MY SEED

>>281466665
I think they took some of the complaints to heart, the movie is more straightforward and easy to follow, the first lovie tried WAY too hard at times, you borderline need to rewatch it to get what's going on.
This one is actually a good mononoke story and the two leads (botan and Fuki) have good chemistry with each other. It also nails what happens when several women compete against each other, bunch of harpies.

>>281466901
I made the point in the last thread that the first film kind of had no choice but to be that way because it had to establish a lot more on top of the actual premise. In this film, there's no need to establish every character, this setting and so on. This movie only has to focus on its own premise since all that stuff was taken care of.

>>281467037
It's definitely meant to be a close-knit trilogy working as one story.
What will happen when the third seal is broken?

>>281467037
Movie one still tried to cram A LOT of extra imagery and the like on top of the story.
This movie does a good job building on its main theme loss of identity and sacrificing what you love for the ooku, just way more brutal.

>>281467089
Well, third movie is snake god and the stairs to the underground shrine have a snake pattern.
It should be fun, this movie introduced the REAL important person in the setting, mother empress, the Suikyouin family (water character in her name).

Bump.

>>281467089
The final boss appears Bakeneko again

https://files.catbox.moe/8m4o59.mp3
I want this ost.

>>281468059
>normal youkai
>minor god
>major god
>the absolute plague the reality earlier than can just force karma and reincarnations into a psychedelic trip
Yes

Needed more Asa

>fire rat movie during peak heat wave
>full immersion achieved

>>281468482
Enough with the yuribait.

>>281468833
The sequel couldn't be straighter at least.
Damn Fuki, huge tits AND leg locking during sex you guarantee insemination.

>>281463784 (OP)
I somehow managed to watch the TV show for the first time a few weeks ago and watched both movies today. I didn't like the movies as much as the TV show but the TV show is like the greatest thing ever made so it's a high bar. Both are still really good though, I think I liked the first more but the 2nd hit more emotionally. Gorgeous direction and visuals in both.

>>281464934
I think there's space for both, I think the TV show has the best balance of surrealism, 2 is a little light and 1 might be a little heavy (speaking of the movies) but I think both work excellently. I was a little lost in the 1st logically but emotionally it made sense which is what matters.

>>281469078
Movie 1 REALLY needed more breathing room in general.
Everything flows really well in the second in comparison, the conflict is solid, the twist works really well.
I like them both a lot anyway, but 2 more, ootomo and fuki both worked really well.

>>281469078
Did you watch Ayakashi too?

>>281469273
Not yet, nor have I read the manga. I didn't even know Mononoke was a sequel to anything, if I did I'd have watched Ayakashi first. I'm gonna watch it soon, I wanted to give it some space as much as I do wanna see it.

>>281468072
I love the song at the end
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pl-Fj2tqsQ

>>281469078
I still prefer the first movie. It was too hectic, but the intensity matched some parts of the series. I didn't really get that kind of feeling from movie 2.

>>281466410
Sounds like an average solo RPG thread on /tg/

Kume was cute and the little sparkmice were cute but it was more drama action than psychological horror. Karakasa had a really slow rising tension thing going on like the series.

Movie 1 better because yuri

>>281463784 (OP)
Mononoke has been among my favorite anime since it aired. But I actually hated the movie and struggled to even finish it.

>>281471994
Kame's dream was to be ravaged by the emperor every night, so it was more like a threesome.

just finished the movie, it was really good

Medicine Seller flirting with the fire patrol and generally being more proactive and less of an unkillable god is a different vibe but goddamn if it isn't good. Also
>LMAOOOO DUDE SEVEN BRANCHED SWORD!?!
(I still liked it)

>>281475080
>LMAOOOO DUDE SEVEN BRANCHED SWORD
fuck you that shit's great
it also makes more sense mythologically than, say, a katana

>>281475103
I did say I liked it, plus I agree with you. He did give the true name of the sword for the first time and it's apparently one in a set of seven.

I want to fuck the fire patrol

>Botan grabbing the Medicine Seller's hand after he burnt it
Forbidden

>>281475171
He will have to wash off the w*man stink by ritually bathing for days now. His kitsune purity has been tainted.

>>281475194
I liked their little dynamic, if you could call it that since he barely acknowledged her. She was an unexpected favorite.

>>281475246
>he barely acknowledged her
Well he DID hand-deflect one of the rat flame babies so I assume he definitely cares. He probably has a ritual monk deal, too sexy to have sex. Hyper will stop working if he's not a virgin.

>>281475281
he can just use tantric rituals instead

>>281475298
>Have to copulate with gross rats that burn your dick to exorcise them
Ew

>>281475317
yes

So what the fuck caused 3 movies to randomly spawn in the span of 3 years exactly? Was it just luck? I'm not complaining.

>>281475389
Cheaper than making a new series probably

>>281475455
I can't imagine it being that much cheaper than an ONA considering theater releases and marketing costs. I heard the cinema releases were very successful in Japan?

>>281475080
Kusuriuri shows more emotion in the first movie than he does in the entirety of Mononoke, considering he mentions there's 64 people or something I'm assuming its a different guy from the tv show

>>281475281
Botan is a concubine, it's very bad for health to seduce one of emperor's bitches.
And potential adultery would probably be too awkward considering how old va got fired.

>>281475499
It is a different guy from the TV show and his spirit Bagua is different. All the medicine sellers are based on the I Ching and movie guy is Ri, associated with fire, radiance and glow (makes sense that he's more animated and proactive), while tv show medicine seller is Kun, ground, earth, and perception/reception (which explains his more passive and reactive nature.)

>>281475499
Yeah it's a different guy. I remember reading people theorizing that they did this to explain the VA changing but there being a bunch of Medicine Sellers was apparently always planned.

>>281475467
If they were, that could be good news. Maybe they'll announce a new series after the third movie comes out.

This chart I found online explains how the Kusuriuri work

>>281467037
>>281467089
Should I wait for the last film to release before watching then?

>>281475499
Yes, it's a different guy. The director talked about it, there are 64 medicine sellers whose swords are named after I Ching symbols, and each having a shingi/hyper bound to it. 8 of those swords are particulary powerful, and Ri sword (tv series) and Kon sword (movie) belong to this group.
Shingi are also their own persons, lending their bodies to medicine sellers at the right time.
They all live in realm not bound by time, and from which everything originated, in headquarters called juuyoku (ten wings).

>>281475547
Does he mention this in the movie? It makes sense but I must have missed it if he does. I know he mentions 64 of them and whatnot, but unless

>>281475579
>>281475562
Neat, I guess my intuition was right. I didn't even notice the 1st person pronoun change despite watching it raw, he so rarely refers to himself (perhaps just me coping.) Makes me appreciate the movie more.

>>281475642
Do you have the interview? I'd love to read it.

So the pattern moving on the screen doors at the end was totally the snake, right? Though Hebigami is a very non-specific name. My personal theory is that it'll be a Tsuchinoko made to be gigantic and evil due to the corruption in the Ōoku.

>>281475664
>Does he mention this in the movie? It makes sense but I must have missed it if he does. I know he mentions 64 of them and whatnot, but unless
Not explicitly, but I understood as much from his speech when he slew the rat. The eight swords of yin and yang kinda tipped me off there. China LOVES hexagrams.

>>281475584
Maybe, they haven't even announced the third one's title yet (though we know it's coming). If you haven't watched Ayakashi or the show from 2007 you could start there.

>>281475666
Yes, and I assume it has something to do with the emperor's mom since she showed up in this movie.

>>281475716
>they haven't even announced the third one's title yet (though we know it's coming)
Anon-shi, the third one is called Mononoke - Hebigami in Japan and Mononoke - The Curse of the Serpent in the US.
Source: Netflix ending subtitles for the "continued in part 3" text.

>>281475740
Ohh I'm dumb, thank you

>>281475664
Sorry about the tumblr link, but it has all the info gathered and the link to sources down below.
https://midnight-in-town.tumblr.com/post/767008165012340736?is_related_post=1

>medicine seller
>look inside
>exorcist

>>281475678
>Not explicitly, but I understood as much from his speech when he slew the rat. The eight swords of yin and yang kinda tipped me off there. China LOVES hexagrams.
I didn't pick up on that at all, I feel a bit dumb as it was obvious, I mean, I sorta figured I just wasn't exactly sure, but I'm happy to learn this, it's fascinating.

>>281475827
This makes me enjoy the movie more, a lot more even. I already loved it, but I thought it was weird that the Kon Kusuriuri seemed so much more bound to the rules of the land, much moreso than Ri Kusuriuri ever was. He just popped up wherever needed, whereas the movie one seems to value obtaining some form of permission.

>>281475872
Same shit as Mushishi, really.

ghosts and curses are just spiritual illnesses caused by ethereal parasites
you treat an infection with antibiotics and you treat a haunting with exorcism

>>281475876
>Kon Kusuriuri seemed so much more bound to the rules of the land, much moreso than Ri Kusuriuri ever was
That might be because of their bagua. Kon is earth and receptiveness, he's bound by customs and behaves more humanly.
Ri is fire and glowing, he's far more ethereal and generally behaves as someone who's detached from humanity would, being more of a guardian angel or protector kami.

I'm thinking about it and the only other piece of merch I can find is $250 and sold out everywhere.

>>281475901
You don't really catch a mononoke though, you manifest them with your inner turmoil and/or angry ghost.

>>281475954
Oh, I have him, he is really cute on the shelf. You should definitely get him.

>>281475954
>noodle stopper
Are these that popular

>>281476006
I could use a little Medicine Seller on my shelf.

>>281476018
I guess, I think the novelty is that they're sitting down and can take up less space.

>>281475954
>sold out
Do you mean the old kusuriuri figure on the round window? The Karakasa movie figure is still up for pre-order, as far as I can see, but the price is definitely not for those on limited budget. Unless you are a lonely loser like me that doesn't spend much and can indulge from time to time.

I ain't gay but I'd let Kusuriuri Kon exorcise me.

I wish sakurai hadn't gone fullretard, no offense to kamiya but he had the far sexier voice.
Still, fantastic movie, I had my issues with karakasa but this one was really moving.

>>281476295
On one hand, yeah. On the other, Araragi being a demon exorcist is fitting and I like it.

>>281476210
Great, now I'm tempted again. Better play it safe and go with the noodle stopper.

>>281476325
>oshino was sakurai
>araragi inherited the role
I don't mind it because it's funny in a meta way.

>>281476354
You could say he inherited Oshino's... Meme.

I liked the... twist if you can call it that.
The mystery was so evident I really didn't guess she couldn't forgive herself for willingly aborting her own child until the fight.

>>281476504
Yeah the twist of her saying "unforgivable" to herself instead of accusing anyone else because she made the choice of her own volition really got me. Movie 2 made me hate the Ōoku even more than Karakasa did.

>>281476532
The prince literally not giving a shit about anything is hilarious, either he doesn't think or he's just going
>women......
24/7. Excellent taste for women I can't argue with that.

>>281476552
>the prince
The emperor you mean? Also yeah Fuko is a prime choice. Kinda feel bad for Botan though, she's cuter.

>>281476575
Yeah. I mean, her first edict was
>you are going to fill everyone's pussy with your emperor seed and you are going to like it!
I feel worse for his actual consort, mind you.

>>281476621
>his actual consort
I thought he didn't have a chosen consort and it was just the first one who bore a heir (preferably male) who became it.

>>281476687
Nah, not how it works.
The emperor HAS to marry a noble befitting his status, which is the woman by his side.
She will raise the heir to the throne, but the family that gives birth to him obviously will get insane pull and influence.
They copied this from china straight.

>>281476687
>>281476727
>which is the woman by his side.
I've totally missed her if she's actually showed up. I know we just saw his mom in this movie.

>>281476727
Oh I didn't see her in the movie. Yeah I guess that would be pretty depressing, though I assume being the wife of the emperor sweetens the "not my baby" deal somewhat.

How's replacement seiyuu?

>>281476760
Very good, but it's also a different character with a different personality, so it's easier to swallow.

I'm watching the 2007 series for the first time and I didn't expect the brother/sister incest (but not really because they never did anything) plot to end like that.

>>281476741
>>281476747
It's this woman, she's specifically referred to as 御台 which means the wife of the emperor.
Everyone else is daughters from noble families given to him for inflluence and other hot bitches.
The princess was her baby too, but she's not allowed to raise her and was given to lady Katsunuma.

>>281476837
Ohh her, I thought she was another concubine but now that I think for a second I remember them calling her princess. I just didn't absorb that I guess.

>>281476858
she wouldn't be able to sit by him in opposition to his concubines if that was the case.
She honestly got super fucked, the emperor pumped, dumped her when she had a girl and now he's full in the big titty brown bitch.

>>281476837
I genuinely thought every time "princess" was said it was in reference to the baby. I should return to studying nip.

>>281463784 (OP)
Before watching, does it explain anything about the last one? Literally unfinished. And did they bring back the voice actor guy that punted a woman into a miscarriage? I think that's what he did.

>>281476884
>Literally unfinished.
I mean, it doesn't need to have an end, it's a collection of short stories, it did conclude by showing karma entanglements lasting through reincarnations.
And these movies replaced him, yeah (unlike kimetsu)

>>281476875
They do call her consort once.

>>281476900
Didn't show subs, great.

>>281476884
>Before watching, does it explain anything about the last one?
Do you mean the first movie? Because not really, there's a few lines that briefly describe what happened but not the mystery itself.

>>281476884
First movie self concluded.
The ooku was killing your women who wanted out and when Kitagawa discovered it and the fact her bestie died too she jumped into the well and took her life. Then became karakasa when Asa and Kame appeared and took revenge on the women who fucked them over.
This movie picks up after the first one but it's still a different mystery, unrelated to the BIG ONE about the water goddess that will be in the next movie.

>>281476993
>find out they've been serving the ooku corpse water
>a month later everyone's like well that happened
Such is life in the ooku

>>281476993
Kitagawa didn't discover anything, she simply went crazy cause of burnout syndrome. Her bestie got sent out, like Asa was doing to Kame, and that was the tipping point cause she was left with pressure of her work, jealousy of other maids, and nothing to ease her mind. Utayama's crime was that she was treating maids like mindless drones and was covering up suicides in fear of losing her position.

>>281477044
I mean, what are you gonna do? Leave?
The women there don't really have a personality anymore beyond serving the ooku and utayama was ready to replace her.

>>281477055
I thought she figured it out, there was a lot of emphasis on the "resign letter" so I figured she just connected the dots about what was really happening there.
Choosing the well where corpses are hidden for that same reason too.

From my point of view, the Ōoku is evil.

>>281477084
Ironically, the women are behind 90% of the issues in it.

>>281477079
The well is where they threw all their important items when entering the Ooku, symbolically Kitagawa went into well cause she was just as disposable as those things, because Ooku doesn't care.
Second killing had the ghost of the angry womanlet around, she was the one that tried to kill Kame, so the truth was actually more complicated than just Kitagawa taking revenge.

I like the little mice on the scarves and stuff. They're cute.

>>281477125
I took it as her projecting hard her issues on Asa and Kame.

>>281477097
>the place that is populated by women in overwhelming majority has women behind most issues
Who would have guessed?

Is Medicine Seller a weird human or a spirit? He looks and acts like a Tenkō Kitsune.

>>281477165
It can be confidently be said that he's not human. It is a popular theory that he is a kitsune.

>>281477084
>>281477097
>>281477159
Yeah I don't really envy or blame any of those bitches. Anyone would go crazy in a place like that, unless you're Asa who just wants to scribe.

>>281477165
Popular theory is that he works for Inari and is a fox.

>>281477186
>unless you're Asa who just wants to scribe.
Concubine, succession, murder, mononoke, I just wanna write for Kami's sake.

>>281477186
>>281477194
>Male Kitsune
Absolutely underused character type. I specifically said Tenkō because of his sheer spiritual power and mostly being linked to the color white. That would make him at least 1000 years old.

>>281477186
>find your worth
>stay true to it
>don't turn into a crazy bitch
Worked for Asa, Botan and eventually Fuki in this movie, the scene where her dad was worried because he didn't want his daughter to day and she goes can't you see I feel the same was absolutely top tier.

I liked how long it took for Kusuriuri to pin down the Form this time. And he put it together via context clues. It was primo sleuthing.

>>281463784 (OP)
So they planned on making 3 movies, or will they just keep making them until they run out of ideas?

>>281477223
I like it the times where the mononoke itself actually explains their regrets instead of hiding it, like the first bakeneko and this one.
Poor suzu was just so fucking depressed she really wanted someone to understand what she did was wrong.

>>281477246
It's just 3 for now. Who knows if they have any hopes for something after.

>>281477246
Well the Ōoku trilogy is one long story told across three movies. Personally I'm hoping for a series that covers yet another Kusuriuri. We have Fire and Earth, I'd be interested in seeing how the Metal one looks and acts.

Good news, Hinezumi performed better than Karakasa in Japan, debuting at #6 on the box office rankings while its predecessor only hit #7.

>>281477146
She is definitely projecting, but she would have no reason to go after Kame, the bullied newcomer, and she left her alone the first time.

>>281477293
It also has very good reviews in the west, so maybe they get green light to continue the project.

Prediction for what the snake will be?
Tsuchinoko? Uwabami? Ure-onna? An original one?
The link to the emperor makes me think it could be Yamata no Orochi.

>>281477588
Hebigami, water, river god maybe?

>>281477588
I hope it's not Orochi, simply cause of its frequent usage. Uwabami would probably work the best in this situation, maybe the blond guy lost his Kuro hime and is now getting revenge.

>>281477736
>I hope it's not Orochi
Well it would be the first time Kusuriuri slays an actual god, and I'm confident they'd make it a threat, so it could be good.

>>281477896
it proves to be too much for one and the original comes to help
But it's funny most of the stuff he fights are really normal and low tier ones going by folklore.

>>281476295
Stay mad Sakuraifag. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CcdNaJUl1M

>>281477911
Well to be fair the yokai in Mononoke are far more powerful, the bakeneko warped reality, the fish on the boat literally put them in a pocket dimension. Orochi would cause the apocalypse considering.

>>281477956
Nue's literal enslaved ghost army was just the best. It had the most personality after noppera bo (basically a romantic novel male lead), just pure pride gloating in how much everyone wants him.

>>281477911
Well, as they explained, mononoke are ayakashi appearing in human world while getting tied to some strong emotion. Low tier ones are simply more logical to hang around humans than gods.

>>281477983
Noppera bo is trickier than that. Picture reminds you of anyone? The mononoke being exorcised is the women.

>>281478106
I mean, I get it, she's horny for the medicine seller and basically pictured a "youkai" as her perfect partner, his personality is still a woman's idealized husband

>>281478106
Nice Keaton mask.

>>281478106
>>281478161
This episode is the one that basically confirms the Medicine Sellers as being Kitsune right?

>>281478233
I mean, it's her own interpretation of him in the end, and he changes masks a lot.

>>281466665
Netflix? So we have dubtitles?

>>281478276
Yeah, they aren't particularly bad for this series.

>>281478276
There's both CC dubtitles and standard non-dubtitles.

>>281478252
>>281478233
It's literally this guy. He's double teaming her in the ghost realm, you have to accept it's all just a play and every face is a mask.

>>281478332
Hyper isn't noppera-bo.

>>281478332
Noppera bo is legitimately her schizo mind developing a savior who would want her and love her, that's why she's the one behind the mask.

Which one is the most outwardly malicious mononoke? I want to say Nue.

>>281478436
Nue
>zero grievances
>AAAAAAAA EVERYONE SHOULD LOVE ME AND PRAISE ME I MUST NOT BE FORGOTTEN
Ironically, the piece of wood was the most expressive.

>>281478324
Oh good.

>>281478360
He plays the part.

>>281478677
That's because he's a sexy okinawan

>>281478436
Nue is the only one that is not vengeful product of people being assholes, but is rather indifferent catalyst for their fall from grace, so there is really no competition there.

>>281478784
Petty little shit, I woner if it had a calendar to rotate spirits or something.

>piece of wood that is evil
What the fuck was its problem

>>281478884
It was the helen of troy of pieces of wood.
Also it belonged to oda nobunaga for a while.

>>281478884
It needed human desires to exist, which is why the weird blue puppy was fine, he just wanted to sniff around.

>>281478914
>Owned by nobunga
Must be why then.

>>281478914
>>281479001
There were two rannatai, the one Nobunaga enjoyed was in the temple, it was not Nue's rannatai, which only used the fame of the other one as bait.

>>281479037
>the jealous little sister
Of course

>>281479037
>the literal piece of wood had imposter syndrome so bad it became a demon
Bros I'm starting to think this Kami business is kinda dangerous.

>>281479058
A piece of wood only has any worth if anyone says it has, so it rotted, abandoned, and started killing people.
It has the highest kill count in the series by far.

>>281479188
Truly mother nature is the most evil of all.

You know, considering medicine seller appeared in 1920s, theoretically they could appear in present time. Just imagine, one morning you are in hurry to work, only to find the inside of your car coated in papers with weird scribbles on them and some strange guy on your back seat.

>>281479671
>theoretically they could appear in present time
Of course they could, Kitsune have eternal youth and can't get sick.

>>281479881
They are also perpetually horny.

>>281479996
Not *all* of them. Tenkō (aka the oldest and wisest) are pretty chaste and not mischievous and tricksy like their younger counterparts what with the sacred duty to Inari.

>>281479996
But I guess not for same girl twice, cause Kayo didn't get much from him on that ship.

>>281480038
>has a whole collection of porn mags AND aphrodisiacs

>>281480084
And pretty much every sex toy of the time period. Although one could argue he simply came too well-prepared for getting into the house, his box always has just the thing he needs in every arc.

>>281480084
Those were from before he was 1000 please understand.

>>281480245
[X] doubt
You horny fox

But honestly, I'd love a modern day single arc.
Just to see how crazy the visuals can go.

>>281480376
Maybe he was still 999 during the bakeneko arc, he sure seemed more playful in Ayakashi than Mononoke.

FICK! I bookmarked this thread at work and then forgot... ended up having 3 pitsas (pizzas) with slop seasonal anime instead of the anime movie of the year (for sure, the previous movie was).

I love the Kusuriuri-style characters that can nonchalantly (mostly) deal with dangerous supernatural threats, but I finished mononoke, anything else that's like it to fill the hole?

>>281481843
There's mushishi, but I always found ginko so fucking dry.

Mushishi is good for falling asleep

>>281481843
There's plenty of anime dealing with supernatural, but I have yet to find one that feels as good as Mononoke. Maybe just dive into whatever is in the genre and sounds good from synopsis.

>>281475455
>Cheaper
More like it makes more money and usually has less time constraints.

I feel that this one had a similar rythm to the series rather than the previous one one which felt more like its own thing. Not that it was bad by any means, but I didn't enjoyed it as much as the previous one which was a trip from beginning to end.

It also feels like the animation and direction was somewhat weaker.

>>281475827
Just saw that on Twitter. Funny that they confirmed that they are different Medicine Sellers running around in the extra material. Albeit in this movie they kinda give it away when talking about the 64 swords and 'we who wield them'.
>>281477097
I mean, it's a place where you get horny drama, family drama and politics drama all in one. Mostly run by women in fertile age or by those past their prime and resentful of those in their prime. And enuchs who only care about their own wealth since they aren't bound by family and lust anymore.
It was always bound to be a shitshow by design. But it's better for the Emperors to have the nobles fighting via sending hot daughters to get into his bed than they warring around.

>>281482869
The *8 swords

>>281482869
>he yaps
Saw this first, ignored everything else

>>281482887
It's 64, with 8 specially powerful. It's not like the swords are something that can be borrowed, so having only 8 in total would leave most of the organization without weapons.

I remember that I understood maybe... 33% of the plot, right after watching the first movie. Does the second movie explain all the important looking characters in the first movie that didn't actually do nothing?

>>281482979
It's funny, first he uses the standard "I'm just a medicine seller" quote, then he just reveals anyway that him and his buddies are specially equipped exorcists, which is more than his tight-lipped predecessor would ever let out. By third movie he might even reveal they meet every thursday for mahjong.

>>281482988
Yeah, but in the movie he talks about 8 swords.

>>281481843
Bakemonogatari.

>>281483413
Maybe he is meant to only talk about his group of 8 very powerful ones, the bagua. Or swords for lower level are supposed to be weaker modifications of 8 types of swords in total. Either way, there has to be more weapons.

>>281483150
Second movie introduces new minor characters but Fuki (the brown-skinned concubine who was the emperor's favorite in the first movie) and Botan (the red-head concubine who was sort of in the background) play big parts and you find out more about them and their families. Asa, the scribe, has a few cameos but doesn't have a big part.

>>281483413
>>281483616
He specifically refers to the 8 swords of yin and yang, aka the core Bagua which are the strongest set of swords since they represent the key traits of each I Ching trigram.

This thing is definitely the big mononoke behind everything, right? The mouse was just there.

>>281484726
I thought that was just the mouse's reality marble.

>>281484821
The eye was still there after turning it into cubes.

>>281484937
If so that's a big snake

>>281484969
Well, it's running all over the ooku walls and even in the temple.
I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing was actually its form (as generic as it is that whoever died became what's oppressing everyone).

Does the medicine man ever sex? Women?

>>281485108
Canonically no but in Ayakashi he gets a little flirty with this chick and sells porn and sex toys.

>>281485152
I mean, he still does that, his
>gonyo gonyo
are all really sexual in nature.

wow, a mononoke thread that survived for a whole day.
I just wanted to say that the show's ED is really beautiful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkmI7kpLPVo

>>281485976
I will keep it alive myself if necessary. This show (movie) deserves discussion.

When's the OST dropping

>>281485152
His sex appeal gets him through even when he is not actually flirting, Sato from Bakeneko and the dried old prune from Zashiki warashi were also hooked. Not good options for sex, though, he is really unlucky in that department.

>>281487777
Holy checked sex quads of luck.

>>281488127
I'd joke about getting medicine seller in my room tonight, but that would mean I'm having mononoke after me.

>>281488364
Maybe you'll get a Kitsune.

You know, something has been bothering me, while "scales measure distance" is a running joke, don't they actually measure the pressure from energy/fear mononoke releases, which is similar to weight?

>>281487777
He could be ntr'ing the emperor in this movie if he wanted, Botan's maids were down for him.

I love her so much

>>281491688
She is cute. The Emperor should make a lot of babies with her.

>>281484726
Probably the god that the shady blonde priest wordships with his corpse shrine.

Like, seriously, we are two movies in and we barely got any context on the guy. I felt that the movie was like a side-episode of the big plot that the first one introduced.

>>281483616
Oh yeah, there seems to be more swords from the interviews, but in the movie he explictly only said 8 swords, that's why I corrected.

What are the chances the Snake will be so powerful that Kusuriuri will need help and we get fanservice with the other Kusuriuri showing?

>>281492279
Probably pretty slim. Combat against the Mononoke seems to be mostly an issue of finding their Truth and Reason (since the Shape is always pretty self-evident). Once the big sword is drawn, the Mononoke is pretty much overpowered.

Would still be cool, though, albeit I don't think it would fit the series. It seems that they are just dispatched at different points of space and time and they don't seem to need any help.

>>281492205
The first movie was already a side plot to introduce the setting.
This one is to introduce the politics and how fucked up the whole thing is up to down, also to introduce the ruling family the Suikouins.
Basically, two movies just so our medicine seller gets free access to the ooku.

>>281493416
An introductory plot is not the same as a side plot.

>>281493595
But the first movie doesn't work as an introductory plot either.
Sure it introduces characters and the setting, but it does nothing with the main premise in general since it gets sidetracked into a dead maid who wants revenge.
Just like this movie introduces the issues with the ruling class of said place, and gets sidetracked with a dead woman.
No movie has approached the main plot yet, even remotely.

Mononoke could be here Anonymously in this very thread.
Post truth. Post form. Post reason.

>>281493891
>Post truth
Autistic
>Post form
NEET
>Post reason
No bitches

>>281493891
"MONONOKE could be here" he thought. "I've never been in this part of the Ooku before. MONONOKE could be anywhere." The breeze felt good against his ears. "I HATE MONONOKE", he thought to himself. The scales shaking reverberated through the hallways, making them chime as the cheap sake circulated through his medicine seller veins and washed away his (merited) fear of lack of form, truth, or reason. "With a pass you can go anywhere you want" he said to himself out loud.

>>281494711
stingy ass ooku giving cheap sake to guests

>>281493891
what >>281493954 said except replacing NEET with works-from-home

>>281495101
Could be worse, he could have been offered water with dead maid flavor, though I heard it was limited edition.

>>281485152
Case in point:

>>281498507
He's just enjoyer of fine art.

>>281492403
Using Hyper does seem to be an instant win but we've seen medicine man struggle far more with the flame rrat than he ever did with the fuckass umbrella. If the snake is powerful enough to actively sabotage his investigation and has actual killing intent instead of self-preservation being the main motivator I think our fox boy may be in danger.

>>281500960
Poor dude really didn't want to deal with the fire rat. Not only it's meant to be benevolent, its reason has to be the most depressing so far.
Hell, it sticks around for a bit after the ending and he doesn't really care.
When he cuts it and she finally stops burning, he just feels bad.

Yeah, guys I think I figured out what's gonna happen in Hebigami. Orochi has 8 heads and is a snake. There's 8 swords of Yin and Yang so I think we're going to get the 8 big boy medicine sellers each cutting off one head for the final execution. I'm locking in my vote for Yamata no Orochi as the final Mononoke.

>>281501020
>introduce every medicine seller
>next project is a series that swaps them by the arc and we get to see their small differences

>the mother isn't supposed to burn
>she burns every time a kid goes back to her
>she's even hiding himself
>all to represent she couldn't deal with her kid wanting her
This was just fucking depressing.

So can any japanese lore master tell my why Kon had the Seven Branched Sword? Or at least a ritual blade in its style? What's the connection there

>>281463784 (OP)
I liked this movie more than the first, honestly, though they were both pretty good.

Botan and Fuki are both off the shit list now that they've each learned some humility. Hopefully Kusuriuri will have to wait around less in the third movie now that he's got a valid pass (unless Botan dies randomly, though I doubt that'll happen)

>>281466375
The first movie showed clearly enough that people in the Ooku were more than willing to cover up super weird magical deaths without really batting an eye. Guess its just that kinda setting. And/or they're just that desperate to keep the status quo.

>>281501307
All I can find is that the sword was a gift from ruler of Korea to ruler of Japan, and it was a ceremonial sword with supposedly magical power. There is nothing really beyond this, except some political controversy that is irrelevant here.
It's a relatively popular design in anime and video games, but they never really go deeper than exotic look.

>>281476760
He's fine since this Kusuriuri has a somewhat different personality too. If it were just him voicing the old Kusuriuri or being a copy of the way he acts, then it'd probably be bad.

>>281477097
I mean, this movie kinda went out of its way to show that the councilmen/other higher up guys are causing a much more serious rot from the inside of the Ooku with all the corruption and shit that was going on. The consort squabbling seemed a bit less damaging in comparison.

I haven't watched any of it in absolutely years

Ayakashi -> Mononoke -> New Mononoke is the correct order right, I'm not missing anything I didn't know about?

>>281502094
Yes, that's the right order, it's not a series mainstream enough to get many entries.
There are also manga adaptations, but they are just series/movie in readable form.

>>281501053
You mean the top 8? Every medicine seller would mean all 64 of them, and that would be 192 episodes at least, so yes please.

I just finished downloading, now I am waiting for my 3 pizzas to deliver

>>281503915
Extra spicy so you can feel the heat like from fire rat?

>>281493891
The translations of the words have bothered me since the start. It's accurate but doesn't it seem like truth overlaps with both shape and reason/excuse? Makoto and Kotowari should be opposites. Would it be stupid to pick the word "lie" instead?
Welcome to english anime translation, welcome to hell, let's fail.

>>281504451
>doesn't it seem like truth overlaps with both shape and reason/excuse
Personally, no. Think of them as asked questions.
>What is your form?
Meaning, what shape do you take, in what way do you appear/exist?
>What is your truth?
Meaning, what is your core, what ARE you?
>What is your reason?
Meaning, what is your motive, what DRIVES you?
Form, Truth and Reason is actually an excellent translation imo.

CUTE!

>>281504451
The word "lie" would not really work in the context. Form is what ayakashi ghost's negative emotions bonded with, truth is who/what is the source of negative emotions (true identity), reason is why those negative emotions happened. I think in Umibozu medicine seller gives his own explanation, but I need to look it up, but either way official translation actually fits the best in my opinion.

I agree with what, who, why.
The Why behind the apparition's actions appears to be its story and stories are lies so even if that word is an incorrect translation it spoke to me, surely just a wonky train of thought on my part. I'm being a dangerous translator.
Reasons, hidden truths, what's not outwardly apparent, obfuscated by "the way things are". Sounds like someone's making up excuses to burn people alive.

We know what form, truth, reason mean for mononoke, but what was the significance of their absence making medicine seller disappear and why is that his biggest fear?

Why did everyone act like it was such a surprise what the reason was? They already knew that the Sus woman was forced to abort. What else could've been unforgivable?

>>281472231
Explain further sis.

>>281506244
The recipient of that sentiment is what surprised them, the fact she hated herself most of all for giving up so easily instead of only the system that forced her to.

>>281506244
The movie genuinely leads you to believe, from the get go that, much like last movie and most mononoke stories, her grudge is against those who forced her to abort, the deaths support it.
Then you actually get the flashback and actually understand who she was lashing out against for real.

>>281505516
>but what was the significance of their absence making medicine seller disappear and why is that his biggest fear?
Form, Truth and Reason make up the whole being of a mononoke, they are its constituent elements. The Kusuriuri fear the lack of them, because they are also Mononoke, and without Form, Truth and Reason, they cease to be.

>>281507834
We know medicine seller's form is kitsune, now I wonder what their truth and reason are?

>>281507907
Their Reason is pretty simply, do their duty and exorcise hostile mononoke. Presumably their Truth is simply an extension of that as part of their divine service.

I can't remember exactly how I felt about the first film, I'll have to rewatch it again to be certain, but one thing I am sure of is that this film was easier to follow. Whether the language isn't as heavily loaded with historical terminology, or editing isn't as frantic, or there's just less dialogue to follow - I had no issue following this film but I remember having to rewind the last one every now and again to simultaneously understand what's being said and appreciate the animation. I enjoyed this one a lot; it felt more like a 3 episode arc from the series rather than a film, short and sweet.

>>281507942
But the story so far never said they serve Inari, it could be more complicated than the original myth. There should certainly be something on how the top 8 were chosen, some deeper motivation, since mononoke are formed by the most intense emotions.

>>281508057
The editing and pacing 100%, the first movie jumped around WAY too much. This one is the result of that feedback, so it's a really good traditional mononoke arc that feels like reverse zashiki warashi.

>>281508205
Yeah I thought so. The artstyle of Monoke is so impressive in its own right that it warrants lingering static shots and less cuts. I remember thinking with the first film that I couldn't actually take in everything I was seeing, which is a shame because I love the way it looks. I still think the anime had better presentation overall than either film, but they still look great.

>>281507765
Huh guess I am just too smart to be tricked by the movie then. If only I wasn't so smart.

>>281506244
Yeah I wasn't surprised since I was thinking about the arcs from the series, the greatest Mononoke is yourself and whatnot.

>>281508057
I only started truly appreciating the first movie after I went in to take screenshots and paused a lot, there are parts I saw for first time through that since they were literally blink and you miss it.
The series was much better by being slower, the pace added onto the horror, together with great ost.

>>281508392
>static shots
Love them

>>281509111
That's one hell of a boner.

Let me spit some hard truths that you won't like.

The first Mononoke movie? The best anime movie of 2024.
The second Mononoke movie? The best anime movie of 2025.
If you are Japanese, subtract 1, but it's not like there's gonna be a better movie in 2025 anyway

>>281509891
>form
Movie
>truth
Best of all
>reason
Amazing supernatural investigation with fun hero

>>281509891
Not even close but I wouldn't expect anything better from normalfag shithole that modern /a/ is.
Your diet Mushishi is not arthouse, it's not profound and it does not have any ounce of soul nor genuine artistry in it. That's why normalfags love it so much.

>>281481843
Yami Shibai?

I just wanted to post this. It brings back good memories.

>>281510460
I see your post and raise for a manga omake.

>>281510799
Cute

>>281509891
>>281510158
And before you normalfags ask, the best movie of this year is Infinity Castle and the best movie of last year is Look Back. You wouldn't understand why.

>>281511196
Watch more anime

Is this the Monobike girl from Princess Mononoke?

>>281510158
>>281511196
>Shonenfaggery and Look at this Hack
Truly grim

>randomly check /a/ after months of not visiting this hellhole
>new mononoke movie finally out
Lucky~. Fun movie, but I think I prefer the first one for its emotional climax. The actual fights continue to be just visual noise.

>>281515207
No she's Stereobike

Wonder if fixing the corpse water was what helped Fuki get pregnant. Then Medicine Seller would finally doing something true to their title lol.
Maybe in the third movie it'll all be about how it's one giant plot from the Mother Empress to control the Emperor and stop him from having heir.

>>281484726
The eye spawned the Karakasa from the sky in the first movie. This time it's underground. Maybe next time it'll be the ground itself, like this anon >>281485001 said.

>>281517338
Makes sense if it's ground. Movies 1 and 2 were water and fire theme so we still need earth.