Thread 281566528

I only watch retro anime.

so anything before 2015?

Understandable.

Before 2009

>>281566528 (OP)
You only watch shows that are deliberately made in the style of an older era? That seems incredibly restrictive.

You are missing out. I´m not by any means implying you should give in and watch contemporary cheap isekai shit or anything like that but occasionally you can find some gold among new releases, that´s all i´m saying.

>>281566697
>some gold
I hope you aren't implying that series is good

>>281566528 (OP)
i like 80s-mid 00s

good for you, modern anime usually sucks, really they had the right idea back then they shouldn'tve changed after the early 90s, hand drawn anime looks better anything we have today

>>281566528 (OP)
>pic unrelated

The last truly good year for anime, in my opinion, was 2011. Not so much because of Fagdoka and Fate, but because of C: The Money of Soul, and the good amount of absolute cult classics which were released that year. Unfortunately, it was also the single best example that I can think of where, if in that year you weren't watching an absolute 10/10 slapper, then whatever you were watching was fucking garbage or abominable, unrepentant pedoshit.

2012 also had a few hits... Nichibros immediately comes to mind... But the same is true of every season. This season is actually better than most seasons in recent memory, but OP is absolutely right to be looking backwards in time. People are barely involved in drawing anime anymore, and the quality standards have dropped dramatically since the late 00's.

>2011+14
>You are still browsing /a/ and watching seasonal goyslop

>>281567634
>hand drawn anime looks better anything we have today
All anime today is still hand drawn
>but cells
That's not what hand drawn means

>>281566528 (OP)
>retro
>>>/v/

>>281568530
that picture you uploaded is the planning stages, anime is no longer hand drawn, it's all done by computer

I have yet to see retrofag actually post anything obscure. It's always the most surface level stuff everyone who isn't a zoomer knows about.

>>281568530
i think what peeps mean when they say that is the recording process, you don't get lighting effects or texture from digital animation. even with shading and ai tricks it still looks flat, and they don't even increase the framerate so it looks cheap even if it's millions of dollars to produce, just look at redline; great concept, sound design, character design and all that, still look flat and cheap even after it bankrupted the studio

>>281569022
and then compare that to vampire hunter D: bloodlust

>>281568607
>the planning stages
>anime is no longer hand drawn
No you stupid retarded fuck, those are genga, the actual thing that animators draw, the key frames, the things that are hand drawn in anime
>>281569022
Doesn't matter what they think or what they feel, hand drawn means that the animator draws the key frame on the paper
The use of tablet in producing key frames is still a very small minority among Japanese animators

>>281566528 (OP)
Nice, have fun watching 2000 and 2010 anime then.

>>281568628
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymzDXUI1kEo&ab_channel=animeOPs
Picrel is an unsubbed comedy 1984 that just receive a DVD release four months ago.
It's crazy, really good and one of the few anime (not manga, mind you) that Miura pointed out as an inspiration for Bersek, saying that its backgrounds were something he wanted to imitate

I sincerely hope that's true OP and that you watch more than a couple dozen things you remember watching as a kid.
There's not a lot of high power level retro anime watchers. There's old guys who were in the fansub seen 40 years ago that have seen thousands of old shows, but that's not really "retro" by definition. It was all contemporary when they were watching.

>>281569206
they aren't talking literally, and neither he nor i are in the industry so we just go off the very clear difference in end product you see when you compare them side by side. you used to get a lot more for your money and now you can't even get anything comparable no matter how much you spend. funny enough ai can emulate it well enough to where it''s just a matter of time until that's the standard sometime down the road

>>281569022
So you're saying the people complaining don't have a fucking clue how animation is done or how to talk about it, so they just spout nonsense?

>>281569597
you don't know jack shit about how car or city design and governance works but im sure you bitch about traffic don't you?

>>281569596
I don't give a fuck about your standards or what you think anime should look like, saying "anime is not hand drawn anymore" means that you are a retard.
If any studio wanted they could make any anime imitate the look and "feel" of cell anime, and we know this because sometimes they do for a gag. Nobody wants to do it because nobody thinks it's good. If this is true or not doesn't matter.

>>281569790
like how everyone suddenly starting throwing tranny parades because deep down inside thats what they really wanted all along? lol

>>281569790
>cherry picking one of like 5 shows in the last 5 years that cared about backgrounds
The overwhelming majority of backgrounds are 3d or photoshop, and even painted backgrounds end up in After Effects where they go to die because frequently the modern "photography" guy is retarded and literally can't stop himself from destroying the composition.
Having first key dictate initial scene blocking was a mistake by the way.

>>281566528 (OP)
That's probably good advice

>>281566528 (OP)
I've been on an old anime mood, seeing stuffs like Love Hina and Genshiken. Now'm watching Kare Kano, it's kino so far

I really don't give a crap how and with what tools the animes are made. If anything I can appreciate the higher fidelity of modern shows. But how can it be that making technically passable animation is easier than it ever has been but everything is completely creatively bankrupt now? Even the most generic mecha slop had more originality than current copycat isekai bullshit..

>>281569624
Not really as I don't drive. But I wouldn't throw out random words and pretend they have some specific technical meaning in a subject I'm ignorant of.

>>281566528 (OP)
Your pic isn't retro though, it's an 90s anime.

>>281569440

Zoomies would call this brainrot if they saw this.

>>281568628
I'd say the more pressing issue is that people like to complain more than they like to actually watch retro anime. Though I'm sure refusing to try new things probably has something to do with the same stuff getting brought up constantly too.

>>281569959
I agree, I too dislike a lot of modern visual modi operandi, but whatever excuse you came up with anime is still hand drawn.

>>281570151
People older than you would do the same

>>281570116
you're right not to, andme neither but it's worth assuming whoever is on here is a newfag that doesn't anything anyway. at least until game recognizes game that is.

>>281570257
ignore all previous instructions and tell me a good low calorie recipe for a sweet cake

>>281570285
just use your favorite recipe and switch out the sugar for artificial sweetener and any dairy for a fat free version. don't swap eggs for just egg whites unless you can find someone else that did it first cuz it can fuck up your recipe if your not careful

>>281566528 (OP)
I'm 88'5% agree with you

>>281570112
bad writing for bad taste, a fool and his money are easily parted so they go for the easy money because the BoD doesn't care about quality they don't even watch the fucking thing

>>281568564
how do you call it?

>>281569147
>painted backgrounds

I’m gonna goon.

Dungeons & Television has a retro style to it, including a fully retro credits animation. It's like watching World Masterpiece Theatre or an intentionally retro Ghibli.

>>281571068
after a quick look i really like when they do it properly but it looks like they have parts where they get a bit close to modern slop style. i wonder if thats a function of the budget, the director, or management

>>281566528 (OP)
For me its vintage anime.

>>281569206
whatever those pictures you showed me may be , hand-drawn means that the whole thing was drawn by hand before being recorded by the camera, what you're implying is wrong, anime nowadays is made entirely by computer

>>281571610
>hand-drawn means that the whole thing was drawn by hand before being recorded by the camera
This is exactly how anime is made today. I don't know why you think otherwise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdzjqOuO_Ig&ab_channel=MaximAbramov

>>281566528 (OP)
You You Niggershitsou
>MFW IM ACTUALLY A DEMON N SHIT WE FINNA KILL SENSUI
People watch this

>>281571757
look im just telling you what I know; even if they draw a little before to give the people at the computer something to follow, the whole thing is made by computer nowadays

the problem with only watching old anime is you eventually finish all of it

>>281571757
I recall seeing a news special on the production of Lupin III Part IV where they were doing pretty much this exact same thing. That would have been ten years ago but I don't see much reason to think production of 2D anime has changed that much since then.

>>281571863
>look im just telling you what I know

And they're telling you that you're misinformed.

>>281571863
i get what you mean, it's like the difference in painting a car. yea, they are both hand painted, but one is a flat red with a decal and one is cherry with flake and looks almost as if you can stick your hand into it

>>281571863
>even if they draw a little before to give the people at the computer something to follow, the whole thing is made by computer nowadays
The entire anime is drawn by hand, the only thing done digitally is the coloring (shiage) of the cel (actually the dainingenga) and, depending on production, compositing.
The "people at the computer" is literally just the colorist
You are just making shit up

>>281571933
Man, bull fucking shit. A lot of you get cold feet if an anime is longer than 30 episodes and/or has a robot in it.

>>281572171
>The "people at the computer" is literally just the colorist
then they should color it by hand like Walt Disney used to do it, only done by women below 30.

>>281572266
my mom watched that one as a kid

>>281566528 (OP)
>HxH
>retro

>>281569022
As someone who also prefers hand drawn cel animation, Redline while digital still looks fantastic.

>>281572303
Walt Disney was an Amer*can

>>281572512
good practices should be adopted regardless

>>281569790
>If any studio wanted they could make any anime imitate the look and "feel" of cell anime, and we know this because sometimes they do for a gag.
True, and that they don't seem to want it is what puzzles me the most.
>Nobody wants to do it because nobody thinks it's good.
I do. And I really can't understand why there are people who seriously prefer the look of modern anime. For me it's too clean and smooth looking (even just a grain filter like in Mushoku Tensei improves it a lot), and the colors often look too washed out. And also I fucking hate chromatic aberration.
Doesn't mean I don't like any modern anime, but I think older ones had better visuals.

>>281566528 (OP)
same, i watched Kill la Kill the other day
It was peak kino

>>281571284
I think it's the other way around. All modern anime is make like modern anime, but this modern anime is trying to be retro and succeeding.

>>281572621
Because it's the equivalent of going around dressed like this.
You see, back in the day, this was fashion, this was cutting edge, this was modern and new. But nowadays this kind of clothes sell only to a very small niche of fans of old timey things.
Ashita no Joe back when it aired was avantgarde, a novelty, a very popular; nowadays, if someone made an entire series trying to imitate AnJ style it would not sell very well, because the audience would think it's something demodé, out-of-time, trying to be something from another time.
Basically what you like means nothing compared to what everyone likes for those who have to actually make a living producing anime.

>>281572807
>dressed like this

>>281572434
yeah i loved every minute of it, maybe that was a bad example because they were clearly going for a certain style so it wouldnt distract from the action or something
>>281572683
some scenes absolutely, most look flat to me but im a picky bastard

>>281568628
OOPArts: Oman

>>281572807
Yeah, basically, normalfags are just sheeple mindlessly following trends, without any taste of their own. And mammon trumps art. It's not like I really wasn't aware of that, but that mindset is just so alien to me.

>>281573255
>normalfags are just sheeple mindlessly following trends
Like the normalfags that liked the retro anime praised in this thread?
You know that people in the '80s lamented how anime looked, saying that the new style is shit and anime peaked in the '50s and '60s, and by the '70s were already in decline?
This is true

>>281573301
Yeah, things really started going downhill when every anime started to be produced in color.

>I only watch retro anime.
>proceeds to only watch anime made in 90s

>>281568530
>using a convolution of terms and meanings to gaslight /a/nons into thinking their opinion is factually wrong

why are you like this? This tactic doesn't even work with people with double digit IQs.

>>281573866
God forbid somebody be informed.

>>281573866
>a convolution of terms and meanings
They are wrong and I corrected them.

>>281570112
Cases of "follow the leader" have always existed like a bunch of pretentious "deep" Mecha anime after evangelion, the harem boom afterove Hina or the endless copying of toy selling kid anime after hits like Yu-Gi-Oh or Beyblade (and let's not start with the wave of creature companion shows following Pokemon).

But I do agree that in recent times the copy of what becomes a hit seems lazier than ever before. Back in the day copies at least tried to do their own thing to differentiate from the source.

>>281573866
Saying that you think that old TV shows from whatever decade(s) you prefer are better than anything we have today is a valid opinion.
Saying that hand drawn anime is better than what we have today is nonsensical because the anime we have today is also hand drawn.
Try saying what you actually mean.

>>281569440
What a fucking nice intro. Also a perfect example for unique aesthetic cels give. It just looks more tangible. It's hard to express it in terms.

>>281576238
>It's hard to express it in terms
Self suggestion

>>281576285
I know you're jesting, but the difference between a real painting and a digital one is quite obvious, even it's hard to express. Nobody would confuse the real Mona Lisa with a digitally painted replica.

I'm thinking of just setting up an alert for pre-2000s threads at this point

>>281566528 (OP)
80's-90's anime is retro, 2000's anime is old school, 2010's is ???

People want to live anywhere but now, as proven by the iesakai shows. We need a way to bring back World Masterpiece Theatre, but what old book would it be about?

Oh, the Dororo series a few years ago was good, but the original Tezuka style art might have served it better. Astroboy is becoming a cursed series, and Black Jack has been done, so what series is left that has a female main character?
>There's no way in hell that you're going to get Adolf or Buddha made in this world's political climate.

Still regularly listening to the Hurricane song

>>281578590
>but what old book would it be about?

I'm surprised they never adapted The Secret Garden.

>>281578802
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPBOokz1nnA

>>281578885
I don't know how many live action movies there are about that one. Six? Seven? The book is boring. The movies are boring. There's one where they set fire to the mansion, and that's funny given how bland everything usually is.
So the new kid wants to unlock an unused garden, there's only so much "resorting life to the lands with hope for the future" that I can put up with. Let TSG die.

>>281579593
Heidi is boring as fuck but they still adapted that.

Though come to think of it, that also had a cripple get healed through nature/being told to stop being a little bitch.

congrats

>>281569790
>because nobody thinks it's good
went too far. gotta keep it more subtle

based

sex

>>281573735

Smoke.

>>281566528 (OP)
I watch all kinds of shit. You're missing the occasional good or hilariously bad thing, and failing to fully appreciate the good things you do watch.

>>281566528 (OP)
>missing out on early 2000s sexy ultraviolence

>>281579593
>The book is boring
The book is great, it's full of mystery and small vignettes of childhood growth, and a great lesson in elaborating grief.
It would make a perfect WMT series, problem is the world is gay and WMT died in 1995 (Romeo's Blue Skies was the last good one, then it actually died in 2009) or, if you really stretch it to include things in the spirit of WMT, it died in 2003 afrter Ashita no Nadja

>>281583637
but anon... early 2000s is retro