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Anonymous No.281567025 [Report] >>281567181 >>281567412 >>281569135 >>281570858 >>281572323 >>281572389 >>281572397 >>281572477 >>281572520 >>281572744 >>281576089 >>281576281
this is where it all started
Anonymous No.281567143 [Report] >>281570858 >>281575703
Haku is a girl and I am not gay.
Anonymous No.281567181 [Report] >>281567335
>>281567025 (OP)
You mean olderxyoung homo ships?
Yeah that's what started it for me
Anonymous No.281567281 [Report] >>281567306 >>281569266
The issue.

The reason why most people think that Haku was a boy is because she was referred to as a male by almost every character connected to her (be it through comradeship or through rivalry). The foremost reason however is because people think Haku referred to herself as a male. While many fans simply accept this at face value and move on, there is actually much more evidence to suggest that Haku was actually a female.


Why is there even an argument?

Meaning, aren’t all of the references to Haku being a male undeniable proof that she was one? The answer is clearly NO, because this issue is not so cut and dry as one might think. First, let’s take a look at why people think Haku was a boy. The main, and perhaps only reason is because of the references to her being male. That is it. Haku looks nothing like a boy. In fact, Haku is described by the main character to be more beautiful than Sakura, the series’ flagship heroine. Therefore, if we can prove that there is a possibility that those references to her being male are inaccurate, the theory SHOULD become less likely to open minded Hakubuki.

(One of the other more important reasons is because some people think that Kishimoto, the creator of the series, said that Haku was a boy. This is completely FALSE. No statement has ever been made or found to be cited as a reference.)

Before we question the Hakubuki however, we must ask ourselves what would prove one theory or the other to be correct.
Anonymous No.281567306 [Report] >>281567337 >>281569266
>>281567281
1. Most obviously the sight of the physical traits of the respective gender on Haku while she is either dead, unconscious, or in a situation where transformation jutsus could not have been present (i.e. while a sharingah was active and on her since it can detect when jutsus are being used, or when such a jutsu would be impossible to preform or maintain).
This proof is also the least likely occurrence since this is a series that is geared toward kids. Haku is also dead and buried. So any character development for Haku has probably already happened. (Though Haku was again referenced in the anime when a character named Kimikaro appeared and yet again when talking about elements. It is also possible that Haku’s story will be told through retroactive continuity.)

2. Haku showing physical or romantic attraction toward someone. Simply put: If Haku shows attraction to females, then Haku is a boy. If Haku shows attraction to males, then Haku is a girl. Of course this only works on the basis that Haku is heterosexual, but this is a series that is geared toward younger audiences. So Haku being homosexual is very unlikely, especially since Haku is about 15 years old in the series and especially since there are higher standards in America for kid shows. The heterosexual attraction is the most logical conclusion since it is also the most common type of attraction (especially in the Naruto series, which is yet to feature any gay characters). Anyone claiming that Haku's romantic preference does not matter to this issue must also prove that a homosexual attraction is possible and likely, since that would be the only proof that would make it not matter.
Anonymous No.281567335 [Report]
>>281567181
really? for me it was my uncle
Anonymous No.281567337 [Report] >>281567380 >>281569266
>>281567306
3. Reference to gender by characters outside of Haku’s present role. For example, Haku’s flashback in the anime presents Haku’s mother. If the mother were to call Haku a girl, then that would settle the issue, most likely. The same may not be true for the alternative reference of “boy” since it is a flashback being told by one who uses “boy” for self-reference. It would depend on how the flashback is portrayed. If it comes from Haku’s point of view and is told to someone else, then it could be altered in that way to support Haku’s present day role of being a boy. If the flashback were actually the past being told by the series itself or through narrative style (retcon), then any reference would be canon and correct. Also, if Haku were to remember the reference through introspection and not through revealing it to anyone, then any reference would be canon and correct.
Unfortunately, the flashback features the mother calling Haku a “child” and not identifying her as either boy or girl. Future episodes or issues may contain flashbacks such as these.

4. Clear statements by the writer of the series. Obviously he is the one to listen to if you want to know something about a series.

Now, I have found at least two of these that prove Haku was most definitely a girl, but like I said, I will first disprove the popular theory.
Anonymous No.281567380 [Report] >>281567741 >>281569266
>>281567337
If Haku had been a girl, why did she call herself a boy?

This is a common mistake made by Hakubuki and Geishaku alike. The most misread and misinterpreted line of Haku's, which is also the most used for evidence that she was a boy, is the statement she made to Naruto in the woods. Many believe she told Naruto that she was a boy, but this is actually incorrect. This is just how it was mistranslated. In reality, Haku told Naruto that she was a MAN, not a boy. In the Japanese version, Haku uses the word “otoko”, which means “man”. “Shounen” is the Japanese word for boy, and since Haku was 15 years old, that makes her middle school age level. If Haku had been a male, then that would have made Haku a “shounen” or boy, not a “otoko” or man. Therefore, the claim that she was a man was quite obviously a lie. This is a subtle nuance that was never carried over to the English version of the anime, but it is one that is critical to this issue, because it proves AS FACT that Haku was lying to Naruto when she told him that she was a man. Does that mean she was lying about being male? No. However, the point here is that she did lie about something, which makes it entirely possible that she was lying about being male as well. I can prove that she was lying about being male as well, and I will do that in the next segment.

So why did Haku lie to Naruto? A few explanations exist for this fact and most work together as one theory. The first and most likely is that she does this to conceal her identity and protect herself from being easily tracked down by the true tracker ninjas that were after her and Zabuza. This way, the target known to the trackers as “Haku” would be a boy that dressed like a girl, rather than a girl that dressed like a girl, or perhaps the description was not that detailed. Perhaps they were hunting for Zabuza and a boy, period. This means that while Haku is without the mask, she was a lot less suspicious because she truly did look like a girl.
Anonymous No.281567412 [Report] >>281571742
>>281567025 (OP)
>Kills himself on Kakashi's Raikiri
checks out
Anonymous No.281567741 [Report]
>>281567380
google otokonoko
Anonymous No.281569135 [Report]
>>281567025 (OP)
What did?
Anonymous No.281569266 [Report]
>>281567281
>>281567306
>>281567337
>>281567380
Occam's razor.

Zabuza told Haku he was a boy so no one realized he was grooming a wife.
Anonymous No.281570858 [Report] >>281571429 >>281571685 >>281575775
>>281567025 (OP)
>>281567143
Being attracted to a cartoon character that looks like a girl but is actually a boy does not make you gay

It just means they drew their boy character too much like a girl. If anything it means you're straight.
Anonymous No.281571360 [Report]
For me, it's started with Honjo kamatari
Anonymous No.281571429 [Report]
>>281570858
It stops working when Astolfo as a woman doesn't excite you but he as a man does.
Anonymous No.281571685 [Report]
>>281570858
Being attracted to a cartoon character is the problem, not whatever sex the artist decides to label it as. You're training your brain to fire sexually for inhuman things: that way lies being taken by the devil
Anonymous No.281571742 [Report] >>281572081
>>281567412
>be cuckashi
>use your super ultimate move for the first time
>can't see shit
>minato tells you not to use it ever again
>get sharingan
>use it again
>can't react for shit
>kill rin
>use it again
>can't react for shit
>kill haku
>use it again
>teach it to others
Was he stupid?
Anonymous No.281572081 [Report]
>>281571742
Kakashi wasn't supposed to be that strong at the beginning.
Anonymous No.281572318 [Report]
>Hakubuki
I think I just unlocked a memory
back in the days of narutofan.com there this really obnoxious christfag on the forums who insisted that Haku was a girl because uuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh too pretty to be a guy?
Anonymous No.281572323 [Report] >>281572389
>>281567025 (OP)
>this is what Narutards actually believe
As with most modern tropes it started with Urusei Yatsura.
Anonymous No.281572389 [Report]
>>281567025 (OP)
>>281572323
Perfect wives.
Anonymous No.281572397 [Report]
>>281567025 (OP)
Anonymous No.281572477 [Report]
>>281567025 (OP)
Thank god I didn't fall, because I missed the episode when it first aired in my country
Anonymous No.281572520 [Report]
>>281567025 (OP)
indeed
Anonymous No.281572744 [Report]
>>281567025 (OP)
And it should have ended there too.
Anonymous No.281575703 [Report]
>>281567143
based
Anonymous No.281575775 [Report]
>>281570858
It makes you gay when you know he's a boy and you're still attracted to him. When you know he has a cock and he still turns you on, you're gay.
Anonymous No.281575912 [Report] >>281576114
The penis makes it better
Anonymous No.281576089 [Report]
>>281567025 (OP)
and this is where it ended up
Anonymous No.281576114 [Report]
>>281575912
A breedable femenine character with a penis but no vagina is pointless. The asshole is not a good replacement because poop comes from there. Gross.
Anonymous No.281576281 [Report]
>>281567025 (OP)
This is how I picture Fang Yuang's Sovereign Immortal Body but with majestic clothing