Thread 281587570

Isekai is a good genre

nah

>>281587570 (OP)
Oh, we're lying in this thread? Ekhem.

Aqua is not a usless goddess.

Megumin is hotter

>>281587570 (OP)
Isekai is fun. I've been watching all of the seasonals this year and am having a great time. I want to jump into the isekai LN/WN rabbit hole but I don't know where to start.

I don't really watch the genre, i'm a SoSfag, is there any isekai in which the being from the fantastic universe lands in the normal world and it has to adjust to being normal?

>>281587570 (OP)
isekai is not a genre

>>281587570 (OP)
Just because you posted a really good example doesn't mean the genre isn't absolutely packed to the gills with trash.

Some of them are okay. At least it's better than the drivel you get in romance.

>>281588063
That's reverse-isekai, stuff like Hataraku Maou-sama or Dead Mount Dead Play.

>>281588063
elf-san!

>>281587570 (OP)
What will Sora Amamiya be without Aqua..

i want to make babies with Yunyun (formerly my wife)

>>281587570 (OP)
We both know that even if you skimmed the crap, isekai only encourage the laziest writing in the world

>don't bother writing character, just self insert
>don't bother writing backstory or a story, just make shit up on the go
>don't bother writing a consistent setting
>use your one twist as the excuse for writing isekai shit

Even fanfiction require more skills than isekai because the writer at least tried to understand what tropes the source material was built around.

>>281589327
Why is any of that bad though

>>281589963
her writting style is just plan awful, the content could be made decent

>>281589327
>group up and dismiss isekai as bad... b-because ecelebs and parodies say so!
Yet can't name a single one it applies to because you don't read/watch any yourself, amiright?

>>281587570 (OP)
Why picrel is so forgotten by /a/? Its a good isekai

>>281587570 (OP)
Native isekai is a good genre

>>281590808
Konosuba Bakuen is a native isekai

>>281590783
Probably the timing and accessibility of the WN and its translation being stuck just a bit before the ending for years, likewise with the manga not being scanlated for years and only getting low-quality page scans with MTL-tier translations until someone finally picked it up properly again without covering the MTL-ed chapters. And there was no fanTL of the LN for the first few volumes either.
All this made it a terrible experience for the "just give me a link that has everything" crowd and the anime alone wasn't enough to carry it for the /a/udience.
So overall: extremely bad luck.

>>281590783
I hated it, but it comes up pretty often.

>>281590783
Veldora should fuck Rimuru

>>281591243
go back /h/ coomer

>>281591798
No

>>281588063
maidragon

>>281587640
Useful for using her useless womb as a semen dump.
But she has to be depressed, drunk and begging for it it with those words.

>>281588063
Precure in general

>>281588063
There's a whole genre for that.
Enjoy!!!
https://mangadex.org/list/a0929df3-878b-46c1-9fd5-68fe79847559/reverse-isekai

>>281587570 (OP)
Nope, is shit. But I love Aqua anyway.

>>281589327
It sucks because isekai with an actual character would be great
>actual unstable suicidal schizoneet gets in and has to be tard wrangled into not killing himself and the entire continent while also fighting the enemy
>disbeliever reincarnates and becomes increasingly distressed at not waking up, culminating in a mental break where she kills someone. Keeps doubling down on this not being real because she can't accept she fucking murdered someone
It is an incredibly versatile genre but they just keep mass producing the same story with slightly different flavor of demigods. It's genuinely braindead factory slop.

>>281587570 (OP)
It's a plot device, not a genre

>>281587570 (OP)
Isekai is a good genre because it lets me self insert into scenarios I'll never experience

>>281587570 (OP)
Why is it that the average anime fan's opinions are the opposite of reality?
>they say dubs are shit, they're sometimes better than the original voices
>they say isekai is shit, it's actually kino sometimes
>they say that buu is better than kid buu, kid buu actually runs circles around him
>they say naruto is good, it's actually plagiarized off of other manga published in the same magazine
>they say kmb is chibi, it's not(neither is it that good but considering the budget it was made with...)

>>281587570 (OP)
The worst isekai you can think of is still a 5/10, way higher than things like Lazarus, so yeah.

is this thread the continuation to the "old iskai good new iseka bad" thread?
you know, the one where the opening image was about digimon.

>>281587570 (OP)
>Isekai is a good genre
>to parody, since it sucks huge donkey balls

>>281594490
Tfw you won't ever be able to buy a big titty submissive dog slave. Whats the reason to even keep on going

>>281587570 (OP)
You don't actually believe this. Battle harem is the GOOD genre

>>281594864
nobody likes battle harems.
Proof: nobody gives a shit about the not!-hogwarts series, excalibur academy, the freezing mage guy, the one with the dumb dragon Iris and so on.

>>281594807
you're just jealous you vill never get isekai'd as an >=190cm omega chad or sub 145cm cute and funny in a european medieval fantasy world and get debug cheats

I enjoy isekai

>>281594926
>nobody gives a.........not!-hogwarts series etc
because they removed all otaku appeal with sanitation

>>281594162
What?

>>281587570 (OP)
I'd like to see more reverse isekai. We already have a bunch of normal and native.

>>281587602
>aqua is thinking
rare

>>281594162
>>281595032
More specifically, the plot device of isekai tensei, that is reincarnation into another world, is so ubiquitous in the isekai genre that foreign observers might mistake it for being the defining element of the genre, even though there exists portal isekai, reverse isekai, and pure native isekai

>>281587570 (OP)
It has potential. There is so much more to do with it. The initial premise is a powerful promise of a novel experience, but it’s been mostly squandered and now dickheads just follow the same formula and put every character into the same world.

>>281593833
As much as I don't dismiss that it can/could be good
Your example don't address one of the big problem with isekai, the very setting itself is a weakness.

Even if you wrote a great memorable character, it would constantly be operating in a setting that feel fake as fuck and would drive anyone insane.
Which by the way, make Fraken Fran take on isekai a masterpiece.

>>281596931
That's not really an isekai problem but more of a general laziness/slop problem. There's no intrinsic reason isekai worlds have to be generic and flat; it's just that they haven't bothered to do any actual worldbuilding.

One of the most important things about isekai is that growth in power is actually persistent and not just a routine that happens in every arc to fit the scaled-up antagonist of the new arc that always starts out stronger than the MC. I think the author of Heroine Survival is on point on this matter in the afterword of LN vol. 5:
>I know this may be just me, but I’ve always hated shounen manga arcs where the protagonist, having grown stronger, suddenly becomes weak and helpless all over again. Like, what was the point of their growth, then? I can’t stand that kind of thing.

>>281588772
my wife btw

>>281594864
>All used good except the main girl
Nice genre

>>281594490
I haven't been hugged in a decade...

>>281587570 (OP)
Why did she smirk when she saw his ding a ling? Why did she do it bros?

>>281596931
The strength of generic fantasy is that there is nothing unique about it, You understand it like the back of your hand and can build from there.
The term to filter fantasy from Fantasy is 'isekai'. No creative setting will be tagged isekai even if there's isekai in it. The isekai tag is like a juden star for the factory shit or its "subversions". It is absolutely guaranteed to never be interesting.
You could say it's a solved genre, and it's only being produced because of constant demand from the dementia ward. If you want something legitimately Fantastical, I found chinese stuff is pretty out there

>>281596931
>westoid's idea of "unique" is edgeslop suffering porn and ironic in the style of rick&morty and that makes it ""good""
>doesn't even look into edgy isekai
>literally take the premise and Rick says to the camera and rick says "actually, everything sucks, amirite guys?"

>see a good looking isekai manga
>decent mc, hot girls
>great art, good pace
>mc pulls out stats window
Close tab.

>>281587570 (OP)
I've made it a mission to watch all the isekai this year. I don't care about the tropes, I don't care about OP MCs, don't care about animation quality or writing. I'm just in it for cute elves.
It's been fantastic and I'm having a good time.

>>281587570 (OP)
Isekai is a good genre
Too bad boring power fantasy with generic medieval setting became mainstream

>>281587570 (OP)
Agreed.

>>281599617
He gets his revenge for that right at this timestamp, kek.
https://youtu.be/1zA7ANldkI0?t=23

>>281587570 (OP)
aqua has a FAT ASS

>>281601003
Not every isekai has elves.

anime was truly made for the fantasy genre

>>281601282
True, but if there are no elves, there's usually other aspects like the girls' uh... personalities that make up for it

its not

>>281601003
Stop posting this betraying whore

>>281602343
Look at how you made her feel you bastard

>>281602661
Damn sludge. Needs correction.

>>281590783
I liked it at first but the further you get into it the more of a mary sue Rimeru becomes
I dropped it when each episode revolved around characters sucking his slime dick than actually having a plot

>>281594864
Isekais with an academy setting are just battle harems with an extra step though.

>>281590783
It's dogshit. Instead of expanding upon the premise and having the character grow like The Blob, eventually gaining shoggoth abilities, they turned him into an anime protagonist.

Also the artist for this is literally called Mitzvah. That's the only reason you need to never touch it with a ten foot pole.

>>281592400
i literally had to drop it because the Yuri in like first episode. Just bad.

>>281587570 (OP)
If I were Kazuma, I'd convince Aqua to ride my face and squirt down my throat on a nightly basis.
And it would be considered healthy because her vaginal fluids would automatically be purified into drinkable water.

>>281603772
based!!!

>>281594490
sauce please

>>281587570 (OP)
I hate that classifying anime by genres thing. Just watch whatever the fuck you want/is of your interest.
I've watched death note (about 10-15 times), Ranma 1/2 (incomplete), samurai champloo (~5 times), cowboy bebop (never finished it), the cowboy bebop movie (several times), a bunch of Little witch academy episodes, and Hidamari Sketch. So far.
Do you think I know or care the genre they belong to?

>>281603772
Based

>>281597641
The solution is to have an MC that is max power but hyperspecific, or lazy/manipulable

>>281602838
One thing that was an extremely pleasant surprise for me is discovering on first watch that Eminence in Shadow (despite the chyuuni undertones) is filled with cute elves. His entire battle harem is gorgeous. It's like getting gifted a pair of luxury slippers. This series is ticking all the boxes for me.

>>281587570 (OP)
With a lot of bad examples. Your pick very much related

>>281604171
Harem labyrinth in another world.

>>281587570 (OP)
I was reminded that this manga, written in 1993, is an isekai. It's Shoujo but it's absolutely better than almost every isekai written today. The main heroine hardly brings any of her culture to the new world and instead, actually learns their culture and language. It's surprisingly good.

I only like isekai if it's food isekai, seeing something like an elf reaction to coca cola is very entertaining

I LIKE THIS SPIDER

>>281600727
what's her name?