Thread 281619346

Why didn't this stay as popular as NGE and cowboy bebop? Nobody ever mentions it nowadays

>>281619346 (OP)
no mass appeal to people who dont watch anime like bebop
no 5deep3me message to enthrall 13 year olds into their adult years like nge
also it has forgettable waifus

>>281619346 (OP)
it's not nearly as good as any of the either
>also it has forgettable waifus
i don't even remember it had any waifus
speaking as someone who liked only faye from bebop and eva, all other females were shit

>>281619346 (OP)
It's too conservative for modern audiences

>>281619639
>i don't even remember it had any waifus
exactly

>>281619346 (OP)
the only waifu in the show is vash himself. it has staying power with people who like guys.

>>281619720
it's not too conversative or anything, if your fiction relies on calls for morality to be good, then it isn't good. bebop and eva both give you strictly good stuff and leave the morality thinking to you
>>281619966
also nicholas

>>281619346 (OP)
It's a comfy watch
was really surprised with how things startet to turn out nearing it's latter parts

It had a cool aesthetic. Wish we got more wild west sci fi animes.

>>281619346 (OP)
Not mass appealing, I still prefere Outlaw Star over Bebop and Lain over NGE.

>>281619346 (OP)
it got a new anime recently that was a hit in Japan, what the fuck do you mean

>>281619346 (OP)
Trigun was cool but the ending was meh
kinda like Cowboy Bebop but with less titties
it has some cool parts though, desert steamer train was sweet

>>281619346 (OP)
Are you northamerican? Because it did stay as popular in most of the shitholes I know.

No one really talks about Bebop either.

>>281619720
>if you kill your enemies they win
>conservative

>>281620663
As a matter of fact people talk about Trigun much more, I think this is another northamerican only thread.

>>281620547
no, what shitholes are you talking about?

>>281619639
>i don't even remember it had any waifus

Millie

What the fuck was his problem?
aside from not having an onee-san gf

Why is this series not on Bluray?

>>281619346 (OP)
>NGE
NGE has a better story (debatably), art, music, action, waifus, is more iconic, leaves more to talk about, and has better waifus
>cowboy bebop
Same, has better art, music, style, story, action, etc.

Thats not to downplay Trigun, I think its amazing, but if you're comparing it to those other two it just isn't in the same league.

>>281619346 (OP)
>Why didn't this stay as popular
What are you talking about
It got a movie a decade after the TV series ended and a reboot yesterday
Which is more than Cowboy Bebop ever got

>>281619346 (OP)
Vash is forgettable as a character
The story isn't that good
Mid waifus
Doesn't mean its not popular though

>>281620910
Just anywhere in southamerican, and now that I think about it, I never saw Cowboy Bebop on TV while growing up, meanwhile Trigun aired all the time during the 2000s.

>>281619346 (OP)
Not enough sexualized women for bebopfags. Not enough sexualized children for evafags.

>>281619346 (OP)
Because it was a fanfiction tier adaptation of the manga with a shitty ending.
People maybe loved this as one of their first anime but as somebody who grew up in a time when it was easier to buy manga in the local comic shop then to download anime from the internet, since it didn't air here, I wasn't exactly impressed with it once I could actually watch it in full years later.
To be fair the anime was produced including it's unique ending when the manga was only halfway through though.

>>281621735
Didn't know Trigun was broadcasted in Latin America, and i'm a spic, neat. I have a fondness for latam dubs of that era so i may check it

>>281621302
>named Knives

>>281620120
Eat-Man has a similar vibe to Trigun and Bebop, though a lot more ambigious in its narratives

IN THE HOT SWELTERING SUMMER OF 0104 LEGATO WAS RAPED BY A FAT BASTARD

>>281620663
There's always a Bebop thread every now and then, but what else is there to discuss other than what first timers think of it or what new interpretations were found in your 10th rewatch?

>>281619639
Millie and Meryl forgettable? Even today their designs and personalities stand out over an ocean of generic girls, anime and real.

>>281619346 (OP)
licensing issues in the early 2000s made it so it only got a few runs on Adult Swim

>>281619346 (OP)
all of your named anime were trash

>>281619346 (OP)
Liked it more than Bebop but less than Outlaw Star, my ranking would be
Outlaw Star > Trigun > Bebop
Trigun fans seem pretty reasonable as well, they didn't lost their shit when the Watsuki tribute art was published a few weeks ago and one of the artists in there was Trigun's mangaka

>>281620202
Based

>>281629371
What is special abot Outlaw Star? Can I expect the same poignance as Bebop?

Trigun had much less support than Eva at least. Eva kept getting milked for decades through product placement and movies. Cowboy Bebop had a much more broad appeal, not involving too much unbelievable scifi, and focusing on tightly scripted episodic content that anyone can jump into an appreciate even without overall context.

Meanwhile Nightow moved on and made other stories, Gungrave and Kekkai Sensen, all of which focus harder on the extremely fantastical elements which put his works pretty firmly into a niche. Besides that Nightow makes stylish and creative things but the heart of the character writing isn't as rich. There's some powerful moments, but there's not as much depth to dissect.

>>281622291
They aired Trigun dubbed in Cartoon Network LatAm during the year 2006 and then reran it in 2008, you can still find the opening recorded from CN Latam in Youtube

>>281623064
Eat-Man 97 was a lot better than Eat-Man 98 IMO, but both are good, Eat-Man 98 had a more western heavy soundtrack while 97's had more of a techno/punk vibe

>>281629854
I've only seen 97 but I love everything people seem to hate about it, so I've apprehensions about 98 playing it more safe. Will still give it a shot shortly though

>>281620663
Most people who bring it up Bebop now here at least do so only to shit in the live action or to make fun of Shinichiro Watanabe's later shows

>>281619346 (OP)
Japan really be picking into that american/western gold vein.

>>281629371
Outlaw star always bored the hell out of me. I can never finish it. Samurai Champloo trumps all these.

And before anyone whines, samurai genre vibes as a western. Even when infused with hiphop, apparently.

>>281629371
Agreed, only problem with the Trigun anime is that it ends too abruptly

>>281621882
The manga had naked Rem, the anime only had naked Vash so you can say that appeals to fujos

>>281629560
It's got a Tenchi-esque aesthetic of rustic high tech meets magitech with each existing in different pockets, but it's got more of an adventure vibe. It's kind of like a 90's sunrise version of flash gordon, bumming around space, dealing with magic chinese pirates one episode, a space race the next, dodging assassins and searching for the treasure that lies at the end of the journey. The main cast is endearing but fairly one-note, Gene is pretty much just a simpleminded bounty hunter Chad big fish in a small pond with a gun that shoots ancient magic who never had the drive to leave the small town until the call to adventure, Jim is his major enabler, being a technical wizkid and as capable as the plot demands engineer of everything, later you get your honor bound muscle brained berserker catgirl and the assassin swordswoman twilight suzuka who's way too capable for the crew but finds them charming enough to hang out. They pick up the Most Advanced Ship in the Galaxy(tm) and have interstellar gunship fistfights with rival outlaws bounty hunters and pirates etc.

If none of this sounds interesting, move on. But it's a fun ride.

>>281619639
Trigun is better than Bebob

>>281630792
thanks for the explanation, anon. I'll check it out

I'll be honest with you anon. Trigun sucks. That's why it was never as popular as NGE and Bebop.

>>281619346 (OP)
It wasn't merchandised to hell and back like Eva was.

>>281630305
only fake nerds have "is there a panel of a naked woman?" be the deciding factor for a manga

>>281631919
Gay

>>281619346 (OP)
Why was Trigun able to do a pacifistic protagonist right while modern animanga fucking sucks at it

>>281633421
He was only able to do this because he's a demigod. Wolfwood tried it once and died.
And it turns out he was only a pacifist because he was childishly devoted to something Rem said one time. Something Vash probably ended up believing more than Rem ever did.

What's with everyone coming up with retarded explanations for a flawed premise?

>>281619346 (OP)
It has a cool OP but the first 10 or so episodes have this silly vibe that isn't for everyone. After the reveal that Vash is a plant then things get kino real quick. Honestly the back half of the show is better than most of bebop which is carried by the 1st, last, and (choose your favorite) episode that stand out.

>>281620120
It did, but it also had very uneven quality, where some episodes/scenes looked great and others looked like complete ass.

>>281620202
>>281629538
I find funny that Outlaw Star got such a great looking BD release while Trigun is stuck at 480p, Bebop has a BD release as well

Trigun was never a huge deal in Japan, Nightow himself talks about how he was surprised he even got picked up. NGE is leagues ahead in terms of merch and popularity, so much so Gainax didn't even realize what they had.

>>281619346 (OP)
its a top tier classic anime but it was kind of ruined a bit by
>main antagonist doesnt show up until near the end
>tone of the show completely changes and loses its goofiness/adventure after Rem Severem.

>>281619346 (OP)
NGE is an anime oringal with several big budgeted movies under its belt. Trigun is just a manga with a subpar anime adaption(s).

>>281620663
Bebop was really disjointed. I liked it but dont know what people saw in it.

>>281620426
Well ya what you think was going to happen. He literally won’t kill anyone.

Trigun would’ve been a 10/10 if the fights weren’t drawn so schizophrenically

bump

So, maximum when?

The reboot failed mainly because the janky, 90's era, cell animation QUALITY of the original came to define the series as a whole

>>281636868
The reboot failed mainly because it did its own thing when everyone just wants the manga story animated.

>>281619346 (OP)
I don't know, i like to think is the fact it had many good childs, i mean, inspired a lot of successful series that were replacing it in the people's memory

>>281634244
>>281634743
Too goofy or not goofy enough what is it

Trigun is the anime version of soul food.

>>281636868
>Stampede will be good because it will finally adapt the manga!
>it was literally an original take on the story stated by the creators to be aimed at modern audiences
Lmao

>>281636868
>>281636916
I dropped the original because it looked gay.

>>281638595
*the reboot

Fuck. I like the original and watched it all.

>>281638595
>>281638601

Should I watch it? One of my favorite anime is Scryed and i'm feeling the similar vibe from this.

>>281636868
I really liked the new show.

>>281639191
Yeah

>>281619346 (OP)
It was a cool show back then. Good is another story. Even back then I thought it was an unbalanced show. Shifts into something very different midway. I've also read the manga. The drawings are also really cool, but the story has a strange pacing.

>>281619346 (OP)
It was never that popular to begin with

>>281619346 (OP)
never liked it, it's shilled by tradcath/orthobro types since it is played too safely and they like any literalist crap that preaches Christian morals to you 24/7

>>281619720
*christian, and Rurouni Kenshin did the theme 10x better

>>281619346 (OP)
It's good enough as it is, but I like the manga better.

>>281634778
it's liked because it wasn't serialized like other anime like DBZ or Gundam Wing. if you missed an episode back then, you would be able to watch another one without being confused

>>281640189
Might be one of the reasons, but NGE is serialized and it is the most popular of all. Bebop is just well written for general audiences.

Meryl looked like a MILF Videl

>>281619346 (OP)
story is extremely simple with only a handful of memorable moments
vash's pacifism gets hotted on the most and for some reason people don't like that
stampede was so shit it killed any discussion

>>281619346 (OP)
pacifist MC will always be a garbage trope

>>281640324
>pacifism gets hotted
what

>>281640346
so you don't like kenshin?

>>281619346 (OP)
>Why didn't this stay as popular as NGE and cowboy bebop
because eva got popular with midwitts that think its a deep and smart show, also waifu wars

bebop its also the same, tards that think its a deep story and spreading misinformation that it fsiled or whatever, but also it has a better cast

trigun is fun but rushed

Trigun's budget was cannibalized by Cardcaptor Sakura.
That's why.

>>281640401
gets shitted on*

>>281640414
with swords it is more believable than firearms

>>281640220
Tbdesu no one likes NGE for the episodic content. It's the movies and maybe the last few episodes of the show.

>>281619346 (OP)
>Why didn't this stay as popular as NGE and cowboy bebop?
No tiddies. Simple as.

>>281640401
it's hot.

>>281619346 (OP)
Because people are retards. Trigun is much better than cowboy

>>281619346 (OP)
Because it's good, the others were pseudoshit

>>281633421
Because Vash isn't doing it because "its nice". He's obsessively devoted to the memory of a woman teaching morality to a child, has superhuman skills to back it up, has his beliefs challenged frequently, and still pays the price for it again and again.

>>281620426
>Ending
They didn’t even end the show, they caught up to like 1/4th the manga and ended it at a random place
There is much more that happens and the manga handles everything much better if not going off the rails retarded

>>281633421
because it actually challenged him, modern stories have the story bend over to justify the pacifism but in trigun they hammer you on the head that vashs pacifism is dumb

>>281619346 (OP)
I liked Trinity Blood more

>>281640346
Rushuna was great tho?

>>281640414
Kenshin reached that philosophy on his own, Vash was just following what someone told him

>>281619346 (OP)
Is this yuri?

>>281620718
Aha! I caught you this time! It's not leftist to be antiwar.

>>281645367
wat anime dat gif from?

>>281646775
Trust & Betrayal

>>281645846
No, its JYB
Though Im pretty sure he has some background voice roles

>>281645894
General sentiments of antiwar's political compass aside, being so pacifist that you'd rather kill yourself than a homicidal maniac is not "being antiwar".

hey

>>281649113
hello

>>281645846
It's hard shojo.

>>281619346 (OP)
>Why didn't this stay as popular as NGE and cowboy bebop?
show me a official streaming service that has the series and not just the rumble movie. NGE and bebop have been carried for years buy streaming services keeping them in the public eye,atleast trigun gets a new series though and not live action crap.

>>281647555
No, that's hardcore christian and most likely lowkey depressed.

>>281640393
wtf is this a crossover with FFIV?

>>281619346 (OP)
It wasn't bad, but the show ended on kind of a bland note. It also doesn't help that Trigun ran in two different magazines. It also had a really boring movie.

>>281640148
>Rurouni Kenshin did the theme 10x better
Because in Kenshin's case, it's always depicted as a personal choice born from individual circumstances, and the narrative establishes the flaws with that choice when the situation calls for it. Trigun just displays it as a simple black-and-white issue and is happy to run with it for most of the series until Legato forces the issue, and even then Vash never really acknowledges the point, so by the end of the series he doesn't really grow as a character.

Anyone ever notice how Trigun and Hellsing have similar kinds of humor? Were the authors friends? I'm pretty sure the two were more or less contemporary so I doubt one was heavily influenced by the other.

>>281651872
Vash's issue is that he really can't kill anyone. The one time he was forced to, it very nearly broke him completely. He recovered, but it's as much a psychological issue as it is an ideological one. Vash can't kill without severely crippling his own mental state, and his impulse to try to prevent whatever deaths he can will never go away.

The principle difference between Vash and Kenshin is that Kenshin was already broken by his past decisions and managed to build himself back up. But if he does kill again, he'll inevitably regress. The key point these two have in common is that this isn't really an issue that they can overcome through sheer will. If Vash kills again, he'll probably break for good. If Kenshin kills again, he'll probably regress for good. There is no power of love and friendship here. If they do it, they're permanently fucked.

Both Trigun and Kenshin cheat by creating circumstances where neither protagonists can mentally survive if they break their oaths. So they don't really have to argue for or against their ideals. Their ideals are the only things holding them together so they can't break them even if they wanted to.

>>281651872
>>281651997
Even if it's not directly stated by the show, I get the sense that Vash and Knives, as artificially created beings, are both incapable of fully grasping human morality and latch on to extreme ideologies as a result.

>>281651997
>Vash's issue is that he really can't kill anyone. The one time he was forced to, it very nearly broke him completely.
Vash hates killing because he took the morality of a mother figure as gospel and internalized it. Kenshin hates killing because he was forced to do it for 5 years, and the one person who made him feel like he could do something else with his life ended up being one of his victims. And even then, he understood that he couldn't stop killing immediately, he had to at least wait until the war was over.
>The key point these two have in common is that this isn't really an issue that they can overcome through sheer will
Kenshin DOES overcome the issue through sheer will. That was his master's final lesson to him, he needs to start seeing value in his own life in order to defeat his inner demons. It was never about whether or not he killed someone, willingness to kill was just a symptom of the mindset he had back in his days as an assassin, where he was too surrounded by death to seriously care about anything but the enemy in front of him.

You say neither series has to argue for or against its ideals, I say only one of them did anyway, and that's what makes it better.

>>281652709
>because he was forced to do it for 5 years
He wasn't forced, he believed that shedding blood was the only way to stop the conflict and protect the innocent

>>281653513
He joined Choshu as a soldier. He was handpicked by Katsura Kogoro to handle the much dirtier work of assassination because of his skills. Katsura's top lieutenant even warns him that Kenshin is going to get fucked up mentally as a result. The point is, Kenshin has personal experience to justify not wanting to kill. Vash doesn't.

>>281653732
>Vash doesn't.
Honestly, even Yabuki did a better job with Train in Black Cat on why he doesn't kill even if it was random in a way because the reason for that was a literal who that he only met like twice or so

>>281634509
Soul

>>281619639
>it's not nearly as good as any of the either
This. Trigun was lucky to even land on TV in north america. Not to say that it's not good, but honestly, it pales in comparison to a lot of the greats of the 90s. It was stiff competition.

>>281634772
Trigun has a movie as well, probably the best looking thing in terms of animation Trigun ever got

>>281620426
Bebop was Outlaw Star with less titties since that one came out before Bebop

>>281643878
nah you're dumb, Trigun is great and the movie shows you exactly why.
him not killing the bad guy resulted in waifu bait being born

>>281651527
Ya

>>281621735
Cowboy Bebop was one of Locomotion's star series (NGE too). Trigun was like a Cartoon Network late night show right at the end of CN's anime era (in South America at least).

>>281624645
That's true, but I can't see them romantically or sexually. They don't have much fanservice either, which I also wouldn't want. I like them platonically.

>>281624645
That's true, but I can't see them romantically or sexually. They don't have much fanservice either, which I also wouldn't want to change. Simply, I like them platonically and that leaves less of an impression.

>>281621882
>sexualized children
You do realize they don't exist, right anon?

>>281654660
Yeah...

>>281654660
Sure...

>>281654660
I could keep going but I'm lazy.

>>281654660
>>281654823
Got the wrong image. Anyway here's the last one

>>281654600
The current Adult Swim Latam channel is mostly anime tho, only animation channel owned by Warner in Latam that doesn't censor anything

>>281619346 (OP)
>Why didn't this stay as popular as NGE and cowboy bebop?
It just isn't as good
Not bad though

>>281645367
He actually killed Shishio in the OVA by splitting his head in half

>>281654410
Really curious about the actual quality of this show considering the nude scenes are the only thing I've ever heard people talking about

>>281654945
it's a fun adventure romp but of course people are gonna post the tiddies

>>281654945
It's fine. Not bad, but not really something worth a rewatch either. The brown alien catgirl with huge tits was by far the best part of the show.

>>281654945
I'd say is similar to the 90s Trigun anime, even moreso when you consider that the main villain has so little screentime he gets outshined by most one offs (he only shows up in 4 of the 26 episodes (5 if you count his call as him showing up))

>>281655303
this is particularly insulting considering Nightow still (presumably) owns his own god damn toy company

>>281638595
It was actually really good. 98% of CG is awful but this was the 2%

>>281624645
Literally who

>>281620718
>Pacifism is an ideal only superhuman aliens can live by, and even they must train daily and live scarred with half their body missing to embody their pacifist ideals that will one day kill them
>Killing is wrong, but if you gotta put down a rabid dog, just make sure you aim right

>>281619346 (OP)
hush nigga don't post it

>>281619346 (OP)
westoids are tastelets

>>281655945
That's what you get when you get the Majestic Prince guys to do it.