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Kakashi Gaiden Saga
Chapter 239: Chronicle 1: The Mission Begins...!!

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>>281647327
She cute.

>>281647212
>more than ten years ago
why is it phrased like that? I know it's not wrong but if one didn't know any better one could think this flashback takes place during naruto's childhood

>>281647243
ENTER the coolest

>>281647212
It was based that they had Hiruzen narrate the violent parts in the anime

Chapter 239: Chronicle 1: The Mission Begins...!!

END
Tomorrow: Chronicle 2: Teamwork!!

>>281647206 (OP)
EARLY dump

>>281647327
STINKY girl

>>281647500
as if every halfway decent iwagakure ninja couldnt pull off a doton bridge in a second

>>281647392
Does kekashi still have that kunai, I cant really remember

>>281647688
Eh, doesn't Kakashi say in part 2 that he created chidori/raikiri after copping the rasengan (probably with the sharingan) and was unable to add his affinity into it?

>>281647243
>literally just Naruto with black hair
bravo Kishimoto

Isn't Kakashi supposed to be half of their age here?

>>281647347
Why is Kakashi still in a genin squad led by a jonin if he's now the same rank as Minato?

>>281647500
quite wordy

>>281647243
He's so cool, I wish I could be like him.

I hate SHARTbito, kill him with HAMMERS!

Were the sanin still in konoha at this point?

>>281647989
>EUGINCSkashi

>>281647989
>>281647452
I can't believe Kidkashi would bully Kidnata.

>>281647212
It's hilarious that the way the Kakashi Gaiden is set up, it feels like ancient history, but it only happened 10 years ago.
The timeline as a whole in Naruto is fucked up.

>>281647347
What does Kakashi even have at this point that makes him jonin tier?

>>281647392
>team girl is the medic again

Real subtle Kishimoto

>>281647536
I sure hope none of the ninja from the land of stone have any jutsu that could replace a stone bridge in like five seconds.

>>281648160
>>281647688
>>281648182
Arigatou, OP!

>>281648114
>What does Kakashi even have at this point that makes him jonin tier?
power level

I have a question for the folks who have already read Naruto.
What do you think of this flashback in a vacuum? Do you think it was good as a glance into Kakashi's childhood? Seeing 4th? Did you like the origin of Kakashi's sharingan?
And what do you think of it after the whole Obito reveal?

>>281648196
Yes

>>281647836
obito and rin are both chunin, which just opens up even more questions

This is the arc where Kishimoto stopped giving a fuck about character ages, right?

>>281647243
I don't know who this guy is, but he seems cool.
Perhaps... the coolest, even?

>>281648196
I remember liking this arc the most because it was short, concise and to the point, and the high stakes of a ninja war were novel at the time. I haven't read it in almost 20 years, so i'm scared but also excited to reread it and see if I'll change my mind.

>>281647688
Power creep moment here, but wasn't Kakashi flabbergasted at the idea that a Genin (Sasuke) had the chakra to do a fireball jutsu early on?

>>281648285
Kakashi didn't think Sasuke was on his level.

>>281647375
>>281647922
She is.
>>281647526
>>281648109
So, this was a little before Minato was Hokage and Naruto's birth, but then how old is Obito when the fox attacked 12 years ago? And Naruto is 13 currently...Kakashi in his 30s, shouldn't the time be about 20+ years ago then?
>>281647836
I think he's just freshly promoted, so no genin squad assign to him yet.

>>281648268
This anon was kind of right though >>281647737
The plan to attack a bridge here >>281647500 >>281647536 is kind of generic crap when ninjas could easily make a new one with a jutsu

>>281648308
Kakashi was like 26-28 in part 1, he's only 30 by the war.

>>281647280
>Kakashi had his mask autism even as a kid

>>281648312
Cute Rin and snek...

>>281647243
ENTER THE COOLEST GUY

>>281647327
>maintaining self-control
HAHA it's hilarious that comes from Obito of all people.

>>281648369
And I believe that's our guy Hayate

>>281648369
>Cute Rin
Obito-
>And snek
Didn't say that.

>>281647836
He's just been promoted, and Obito and Rin are chuunin. Konoha was facing a huge population and recruitment crisis at the time.

>>281647212
I’ve always liked this era whenever it came up in flashback arcs. I hate to use this term since it’s kind of reddit but they feel like actual ninjas in an actual war. Plus kid Kakashi/Obito are great

So what's Itachi doing right now?

>>281648541
Learning to crawl on walls while his parents are away.

Starting the time skip with a "seemingly unrelated" flashback, only for it to explain the future villains backstory later, has to be one of the laziest writings in manga overall.

>>281648737
Either
A move the flashback to the Obito reveal.
Or B, don't show how he "died" and Kakashi got his eye. No, don't even show the aftermath of that day. Just end the flashback on a happy not before the tragedy. Keep the readers guessing.

>>281647206 (OP)
It’s insane naruto has been over for more than 10 years now. I hate what became of Kishimoto’s career. He should have ended naruto for good kept making one shots and new manga in Jump SQ with Yahagi editing. Instead he disappeared for 5 years, wasted everyone’s time with samurai 8 which he didn’t even draw, then disappeared again, all while torturing us with Boruto. When we finally got the Minato one shot from him it was as great as naruto.

>>281648838
>B, don't show how he "died" and Kakashi got his eye. No, don't even show the aftermath of that day. Just end the flashback on a happy not before the tragedy. Keep the readers guessing.
retard

>>281648887
Basically it just sucks we could have had 10 years worth of manga from him, now he’s probably to old to ever really come back consistently again.

>>281648961
he's tired, anon

>>281648961
My HEROES...and Obito, Itachi and SHITsui.

>>281648961
...and Tobirama.

>>281647280
Reminder that this Kakashi could probably solo all of Konoha 12 from the SRA.

>>281649222
How?

>>281649222
Neji eats him for breakfast. Don't kid yourself.

>>281647302
>Is there an old hag lurking around every corner, waiting?
This is a beautiful mental image, thank you Kakashi.

None of the Konoha girls would survive this war.

>>281647347
Unironically I don't think even Naruto and Sasuke had that bad of a relationship.
>>281647392
Minato should really give all of them one of his seals.

>>281647327
>this girl is why the world went to ninja ww3

>>281647452
Potential Man Obito

>>281648887
Minato's one shot was shit.

>>281649267
>>281649222
I can only see Lee or Neji giving him trouble. Possibly Sasuke. Maybe Shino. Everyone else gets bodied.

>>281649340
Turns out he would have been stronger than Madara if he had two Sharingans and put in hard work to become strong.

>>281649332
4, actually.

>>281647688
Thank you OP.
Honestly kinda cute he wanted to celebrate his birthday and therefore got rash.

>>281649347
>*regens from damage taken with fox chakra*
Nothing personal, chakralet.

>>281647737
I guess making one stable enough that it won't collapse while they aren't mantaining it would be complex?

>>281647280
I don't get why the anime bothered to give kid Kakashi a different voice actor, even though all of the other kids kept their voices even after they grew up.

>>281648285
He's a jonin, not a genin.

>>281649230
he jonin

>>281649222
Would he solo the sound 4?

>>281647347
I'm starting to realize that not even the Genin/Chuunin/Jonin etc system was something Kishi had planned at all, otherwise why would Kakashi still be here
It was something he made up on the spot for general powerlevel + authority figures and shit quickly went out of hand as usual

>>281647500
Is it even possible for the entire Iwagakure ninja force combined at the time to resist an attack by Minato?

>>281647615
He was the God of Shinobi after all

>>281647688
>this is a stealth infiltration mission
>understood sensei
>a 1000 birds screams
sasuga

>>281647751
How did the Land of Fire lose so much military power and influence and Konoha so much life when 80% of the most powerful ninja who have ever existed are alive right now in Konoha?

>>281648109
>it feels like ancient history, but it only happened 10 years ago.
Because in Naruto the only way to know something is to be there in person.
Nobody records anything, even if cameras, TVs and computers are real and common technology in the setting, and so whatever happened even ten years prior may as well be legend and myth for the new generation.

>>281648196
In a vacuum is all right because it sets up its MCs and dynamics pretty quickly, the narrative is clear and concise, they actually try and do ninja stuff like infiltration, and the payoff with the plot twist at the end is cool
In the context of Naruto as a larger narrative? As usual most things contradicts each other and Kishimoto only knows how to write 1 theme, 2 dynamics, 3 characters and 4 scenes

>>281647526
The term used in the original was 十数年前, which means "ten-odd years ago" (i.e., more than 10 but less than 20 years ago). I suppose they thought "more than ten years ago" sounded more natural in English.

>>281648887
mangaka very often make manga for the money and his Naruto manga got him set for life.. No one wants to be a weekly slave when they don't have to worry about money anymore

>>281648541
He's about 8, no? High Chuunin / Jonin level, he became an Anbu at 11

>>281649659
iwa complained about konoha being unfair, and hiruzen gave them whatever they wanted to appease them. We already know how these kind of things work

>>281649849
Now that I think about it, this was back then when Hiruzen was close to his prime
Why the fuck did he comply?
Is it even possible for the entire ninja force of Iwa to contest almost-Prime Hiruzen by himself?

>>281649849
>>281649924
*Iwa and Kumogakure

>>281649924
>Is it even possible for the entire ninja force of Iwa to contest almost-Prime Hiruzen by himself?
what about Prime Ohnoki?

Could Anko fuck the onetitis out of Obito?

>>281649924
Prime Hiruzen is a meme and propaganda pushed by Iruka

>>281650161
sarutobi was the strongest of all five kages at the time of his death, so that would include part-1-ohnoki at least

lmao

>>281650288
I refuse to believe old man Child Death was stronger than A.

>>281647243
he will become a great guy i'm sure

>>281647243
This kid looks like someone Naruto would find very, very cool.

>>281650288
>>281650317
Actually, you know what? This is just Kabuto gassing up Sarutobi to make Orochimaru's getting his arms fucked up less of a blow to his ego.
>Yeah boss you went up against the STRONGEST Kage in all nations and beat his ass, he was so tough you had to someone Hashirama and Tobirama as back-up and he STILL beat them, that's how badass he was. Your dick is so huge.

>>281647327
>the retard
>the edgy
>the girl
This is every team.

>>281650200
>by Iruka
There are like twenty different ninjas that say Sarutobi in his prime was in the top five of all ninjas that ever existed prior

>>281650317
Hiruzen was hardcarried by CHADnma

>>281649546
Minato's one of those types where numbers really don't matter. You'd just be throwing more fodder into the FTG meat grinder. Remember it took A and B together to stalemate him

>>281649849
now that I think of it Hiashi probably resented Hinata for being weak enough to get kidnapped and having his brother get sent to die

>>281650472
>There are like twenty different ninjas that say Sarutobi in his prime was in the top five of all ninjas that ever existed prior
PAID ACTORS

>>281650529
Bro she was three

3 year old Itachi wouldn't have gotten kidnapped

>>281650554
And? Itachi was 6 when he became hokage tier

>>281650554
No excuses.

>>281648887
>all while torturing us with Boruto.
I enjoy Boruto.

>>281649607
they won't hear your footsteps that way. it's the perfect approach.

>>281650495
So let me get this straight
In this moment of the flashback there are, in Konoha
>Prime Hiruzen
>Minato
>The Three Sannin
>Fugaku Uchiha (in the anime he awakened Mangekyō Sharingan during the war)
How is the war longer than a day? Who can stop Minato alone, not to speak of those other fuckers combined

Origin story for a major villain and originally a glimpse at the leader of Akatsuki before Kishi scrapped the latter.

>>281648887
Boruto is a inseparable and canon part of naruto. No amount of crying will change that.

>>281648476
>purple haired anbu chick was in the manga
Always thought of her as being an anime only character

>>281650663
The other powers (except Suna lol) at least had functioning jinchuriki. Konoha's was basically dead weight

>>281650694
>Origin story for a major villain and originally a glimpse at the leader of Akatsuki before Kishi scrapped the latter.
Obito Uchiha

Why are you acting like a retard and pretending there's anyone in this thread that hasn't read the series before?

>>281650790
I haven't anon...

>>281649659
Danzo assassinated all strong ninja of Konoha and gave secret jutsu to other villages.
Also Hashirama and Hiruzen bent backwards for every whim of other villages, while Madara actively sabotaged Konoha.
They are so powerful they are the major actor behind their weakness.

>>281648468
>Rule-anal Kakashi
>Self control Obito
It's like bizzaro world

>>281647243
COOLEST Boyfriend

>>281649849
>>281649924
Don't forget in Shikamaru's novel they give for free lands to Iwa because they are trying to attack an ally of Kumo to steal their lands, therefore breaking the peace treaty and start another ninja war, because they're strongarmed by the daimyo.

>>281650790
Getting triggered over spoiler tags again?

>>281650623
Me too.

>>281648114
>What does Kakashi even have at this point that makes him jonin tier?
A cool ass sword

>>281650581
The Itachi timeline is schizo-tier writing
>4 years old, his father brings him to the battlefield of the Third Great Ninja War
>5 years old, becomes pupil and close friend of Shisui
>STILL 5 years old (months later?) Kurama attacks and the Uchiha are relegated to the ghetto
>6 years old, enrolls and gets promoted to Genin in FOUR MONTHS
>6 to 8 years old he's basically Chuunin Exam ready but his sensei refuses to send to the Exam
>8 years old, awakens his Sharingan, he masters it immediately
>8 to 10 years old, does solo missions? It's unclear
>10 years old, Chuunin promotion
>11 years old, becomes Anbu
>same age unlocks Mangekyou Sharingan
>12 years old, Anbu captain (Danzo for some reason wants ti hide this until he's 13)
>Casually discovers Madara lurking around Konoha, casually offers to kill their own clan for the sake of the village
>Commits self genocide with Tobi
>escapes
What the fuck

>>281650663
It's funny you don't even mention Kushina, the jinchuriki, and theoretically superweapon of the village.

>>281650781
>functioning jinchuriki
What are they going to do against Minato

>>281650827
Christ, Kishimoto is a retard
Everything in Konoha is due to other Konoha ninjas doind shit to the village
Has there ever been a ninja from outside the village who managed to do shit to Konoha before Pain?

>>281650871
What are the daimyo going to do if Minato teleports in and destroys one milion samurai in an afternoon?

>>281650581
>>281650589
It's fucked that peak Hiashi probably isn't 10 year old Itachi tier.

>>281650911
>>8 to 10 years old, does solo missions? It's unclear
>>10 years old, Chuunin promotion
Wasn't it that he took the Chunin exams by himself as well.

>>281650920
I forgor her, like Kishimoto

>>281650983
Cut his funding.

>>281650911
>11 years old, becomes Anbu
>same age unlocks Mangekyou Sharingan
Wait wait wait, that whole flashback started when he was 11? He looks 15.

>>281651000
>Wasn't it that he took the Chunin exams by himself as well
My new headcanon is that >>281649173
picrel took the Chuunin Exam with Itachi and has been traumatised since.
He's trying to get over this trauma but can't

3 year old Itachi would put his kidnapper into a year-long Genjutsu.

>>281650968
I'm not sure wether A (the older one) was fighting Konoha shinobi, and Ginkaku and Kinkaku killed Tobirama, but for the rest I don't think the villages ever had relevance
>>281650983
That's a novel with adult shikamaru, you should ask what he will do if Naruto and Sasuke nuke the country instead
>Samurai
the land of earth has samurai?

>>281651036
Itachi was 21 when he died

>>281650939
Minato had to run away from two of them, though that was when he was a bit younger

We deserved smug bratty Ino with Temari's powerlevel

>>281651083
>I'm not sure wether A (the older one) was fighting Konoha shinobi, and Ginkaku and Kinkaku killed Tobirama
No, that's outside the village, on the battlefield
Has there ever been a fucking non-Konoha NINJA who did NINJA SHIT like INFILTRATING Konoha, like Konoha ninja seem to do all the fucking time, and actually managed to damage Konoha before Pain?

>>281651076
In the novel he mindbroke his opponent at the chunin exam with a genjutsu to teach him a lesson, as he disliked him fighting while sleeping, because he was scared to fight while awake.

>>281651109
Okay, maybe two or three jinchuriki are fair game for Minato
Jiraya is still in the equation, what are two or three jinchuriki going to do to Sage Mode Jiraya?

>>281651109
who is that kumo in the back?

>>281651153
>In the novel he mindbroke his opponent at the chunin exam with a genjutsu
>>281651069
Oh god it's real

Where the FUCK are they right now?

>>281647327
>>281649222
How strong is Rin compared to the Konoha girls?

>>281651216
Tsunade should be getting mindbroken over Nawaki exploding rn, right?

>>281651216
Imagine being born looking like that.
How could he not have become a villain

>>281651134
Ah, then Ginkaku and Kinkaku almost assassinated Tobirama when he was making a peace treaty with Kumo (wich was treason, to the point A remembers them as the worst criminals in Kumo's history, so it's a mistery why they fought on kumo's side when they killed Tobirama), we don't know where the peace treaty was being signed, so you can headcanon it was at Konoha.

>>281651109
>Stone Village has two Jinchuuriki that can control their Biju.
>Somehow it isn't a huge deal for the plot of Shippuden
>No stone arc

>>281650646
Reminds me of that video showing the stealthy way to open velcro

>>281648071

I think he was a bit cocky jerk before Obito gave him his eye ;)

>>281651202
While funny he was fighting a kumo ninja, Nemui.

>>281651242
>AIIEEE
https://youtu.be/T-O1qSlGjvM?si=C2fg9bnxzgN8vxjM&t=5

>>281651242
That would've been during the second war. She may have already left the village

>>281651329
I like the idea Orochimaru was sympathetic but was way too menacing and autistic to really get that across to his teammates.

>>281651233
In an anime filler flashback she, Tobi and Kakashi manage to snatch the bells from Minato in the teamwork exercise
That's good enough for me to say she solos the Konoha girls

>>281647347
How exactly is Konoha so weak right now? They have Minato. Hell, don't they have the sannins too? And Hiruzen

>>281651285
He mindbroke him so much he lost his tan, his name and his original village

>>281651266
>it's a mistery why they fought on kumo's side when they killed Tobirama
Oh yeah, what was that about?

>>281650288
>>281650372
>You did well
I love how Kabuto's default response to people, even to his evil, ancient dad-boss-husband is patronize them.
He's like an evil preschool teacher, he must be so good at running his creepy orphanage.

What do you guys think each of the Akatsuki members (sans Itachi) are doing around this timeframe?

>>281651331
Wait, so Tsunade left the village during a time of war? Wouldn't that be desertion?

>>281647536
Do they even have jutsu to destroy a damn bridge?

>>281651109
Han is the only Jinchuriki that we don't know much about, even in fillers. Gaara is frequently in the story. Fuu and Utakata had fillers based around them. We see Yugito vs Hidan & Kakuzu, she seemed liked by her village. Roshi vs Kisame, both stone jinchuriki are wanderers it seems. Yagura during that Kisame flashback and Itachi's filler flashback, plus that whole mind control thing. Bee we meet during Sasuke's schizoArc. And Naruto is the main character. Wish we had a couple novels focused on them.

>>281647922
Why does Rin look so devious and possibly sadistic?

>>281648961
Hiruzen, Tsunade, and Oro being left out when Kage and Jiraya are there feels off.

>>281651418
Who knows. She showed up in the oneshot that takes place earlier in the third war. Timeline's fucked. Nothing new there.

>>281651451
because she is sadistic

>>281651457
I guess it makes as much sense as Jiraya taking, what was it? Three years? To teach a bunch of war orphans how to be ninja in the middle of a warzone.

>>281651459
Rin is a sweet girl.

>>281650987
No one is 10 years old Itachi tier.

>>281651509
Rin is a stupid whore

>>281647922
Obito killed thousands to suck on Rin toes...

Rin should've pulled a Gaara's mom and been some poltergeist that assists in Obito's plots

>>281651530
anko, what the fuck are you wearing, you little thot?

>>281651415
>Deidara
Either not born yet or a literal infant
>Sasori
Gone rogue after assassinating the kazekage, probably operating on his own while expanding his spy network
>Hidan
Probably around toddler age
>Kakuzu
Also operating on his own as a mercenary
>Itachi
Already mentioned
>Kisame
Still working for the Mist as a loyal ninja
>Nagato and Konan
Forming the original Akatsuki in the hidden Rain
>Zetsu
Plotting with Madara
>Obito
Already mentioned
>Orochimaru
Still working for the Leaf as a loyal ninja

>>281651455
Hiruzen didn't have that much screentime, Oro is a villain who slept through most of the manga and Tsunade is a woman.

>>281651533
Understandable?

>>281651556
fishnets

>>281651509
She fell in love with a genocidal terrorist.
>>281651533
AND SHE LIKED IT!

>>281651415
The Akatsuki was created right in the middle of the Third Ninja War
>Yahiko, Nagato, Konan - create Akatsuki
>Obito joins saying he's Madara
>Kyūsuke & Kie join & die by Obito's hand
>Zetsu does his thing
Now, at this time
>Deidara is 7
>Hidan is 9, maybe alredy immortal
>Kakuzu is 79, doing random shit for money
>Kisame was 17, doing stuff for the Mist
>Oro is doing jack shit in the village during a fucking war
>Sasori is 23, he's fighting in the war and killing a lot

Obito was a thirty year old man still pinning over his 15 year old crush.

>>281651567
Sasori is basically Gavrilo Princip

>>281651418
>Wouldn't that be desertion?
Who's going to stop her, if she wants to desert?
There are like, four ninjas in all of Konoha who are on her level and I doubt they would care enough to stop her

>>281651129
The definitive hottest Naruto girl

>>281651626
Geez i forgot how old Sasori is supposed to be.

>>281651637
Because Rin dying was the biggest tragedy in human history.

>>281651637
Harry Potter and Naruto being the franchises with the most amount of fanfictions for books and manga respectively makes even more sense now

>>281651233
A single kick from Rin would break all of VOTE Sasuke's bones

>>281650330
Dare we say coolest guy?

>>281650554
Itachi says skill issue

>>281651637
this is basically danzo except like 50 years older

>>281651754
Hiruzen killed his gf?

>>281651637
this is basically tsunade but like 30 years older

>>281651754
???
He was obsessed with Hiruzen making him look like shit in front of Tobirama and thus making Tobirama choose Hiruzen as third Hokage

>>281648737
How setting something up hundreds of chapters in advance lazy writing?

>>281650317
Half of the power-levels in Naruto are from Kishi not thinking that far ahead, or characters boasting, coping, or using in-universe headcanon.

This could have all been avoided if Anko had confessed her feelings to Obito

>>281651777
>50 year old granny grooms innocent 30 year old
Fucking disgusting

Reminder that Yamato graduated the Academy at six, became a Chuunin while still 6 years old and went on to work for Danzo.
During Kakashi Gaiden he's about 11, doing shit as a Root operative

So the third great war was probably the Hidden Leaf and Sand vs the Mist, Stone, and Cloud right?
Makes me wonder who was on Konoha's side during the second war. Sand and Leaf fought, Kakashi's dad killed Sasori's parents. Who else could they have an alliance with?

>>281651937
Has any reason ever been given for any Ninja War beyond "the daimyo said so"?

>>281651923
Wait, shouldn't he be being experimented on by Orochimaru then instead? Minato isn't the Hokage yet(I think) and Orochimaru oy started his experiments after he was denied the role of 4th?

>>281651923
Wow, he sounds super strong. I can't wait to see him in action

>>281651875
>You haven't changed at all

>>281650889
My wife

>>281651770
danzo's GF is the hokage seat and hiruzen killed his chance at it

for someone that hasn't read Bleach or One Piece, do they have worldbuilding that's as much of clusterfuck as Naruto's?

>>281651533
giwtwm

>>281651637
>thirty year old man still pinning over his 15 year old crush.
Wow, just like me frfr

>>281651972
There's a big problem with the timeline
Yamato is stated to be about 26 at the start of Shippuden
Meaning he's about 11 during Kakashi Gaiden
Yamato got experimented on by Oro as an infant... meaning about 10 years prior Kakashi Gaiden
Orochimaru began his experiments after Minato was named Fourth by Hiruzen, at the end of the war
???

>>281651394
As if it wasn't weird enough for some reason Kakuzu of all people knew Kinkaku only goes 9-tails mode when Ginkaku is defeated.

>>281652071
Look Kishimoto is REALLY bad at juggling the timeline.

>>281652083
maybe he heard about it from the survivors

>>281652059
>One Piece
Probably the most consistent and kept tightly by Oda's severe autism that nothing overlaps or contradicts. Best pro to the manga desu even if it's slop nowadays.

>>281652059
>Bleach
Worse, you need to read the novels, made by someone else to start making sense of anything, and still a lot of things (like the hollow living in an overlapped dimension with ours, and being interactable only when they exist in ours) are memoryholed.

>>281652083
Kakuzu is old, has seen a lot of shit
The only person around who fought with Hashirama and survived
Why his village doesn't use the Heart Implant Jutsu to have an army of super immortal ninja is a mystery
Hell, just give a couple more hearts to your top dogs

>>281652100
This is a monster plot hole tho

>>281652121(me)
>>281652059
>One Piece
Barely make an attempt at real worldbuilding until it suddenly infodump of random thing relevant right now until they will be retconned next time.

>>281652147
brother there are at least 10 monster plot holes in this series

>>281652059
One Piece is mostly consistent. I think the fact that it's multiple islands each with their own mostly separate environment makes it easier for stuff to not be as dumb.
Also Oda has mentioned using wikis for attacks in particular, so it wouldn't surprise me if he also checks them to make sure new events line up with the already existing ones.

>>281651960
Something like
The first war was about hidden village hierarchy, based on what Onoki said.
The second war was started by Konoha, based on what Nagato said. No specific reason given.
The third war's reasoning is unknown. No one really talks about it in specific.
And the fourth war is completely justified, Madara was right.

>>281652126
I know, simply the implications are interesting and it's weird it's never elaborated on
>Why his village doesn't use the Heart Implant Jutsu
I guess it's because Kakuzu stole it.

>>281651839
You forgot the Ayy genjutsu lake that doesn't wet you.

>>281652188
>>281652065
Think of how many genin she choked with these to graduate to chunin

>>281652069
OP....

>>281652147
The timeline in Naruto is a suggestion at most.
Remember that a lot of the character we meet in the story were alive while the 1st and 2nd Hokage were hanging around, despite them being treated as ancient legends.

>>281652165
1) during this dayly about 10 monster plot hole have arisen from this chapter alone
2) this is a retarded plot hole that could have been avoided by writing things down on a piece of paper the timeline as Kishi wrote it

>>281652165
What are the other 9?

>>281652071
Orochimaru is probably the character involved the most with timeline and continuity errors. Remember the thing with Jugo and the Curse Mark? It really makes the supposed thing about Orochimaru being a late addition make a lot of sense because it seems like Kishi has no idea how to fit him into he timeline correctly.

>>281652204
>Remember that a lot of the character we meet in the story were alive while the 1st and 2nd Hokage were hanging around, despite them being treated as ancient legends.
Shout out to that one Anbu who didn't even recognize Hashirama and Tobirama (despite their faces being carved into his nation's cliffside)

>>281652224
>Jugl and the Curse-Mark
Oh God your right. Jugo isn't even alive yet but Anko is going tl get her mark in a year or two at least.

>>281652059
Oh boy
>One Piece
The world is mostly water. Every island has its own geographical rules. There's an island in the sky and one underwater. Devil fruits give powers because they just give powers. And artificial ones exist because fuck you science. People can have such willpower that they can enhance themselves with it. There are four great weapons of mass destruction that exist for some reason, one of them is a mermaid and another is a ship. The world government serves Satan.
>Bleach
The afterlife for everyone is Japanese themed and ruled by Japanese people. There's a dog man for some reason. Sexy female mentor for all of one arc can transform into a cat for some reason. People's negative emotions turn them into monsters that reside in a hellish world that's not actually hell because it's its own thing called Hueco Mundo. Their swords are alive and their own entity but created by this one guy.... Yeah. Uh, also god had a kid and that kid wants to kill god because.... the world sucks IIRC.

People who tell you Naruto's is the worst are absolutely fucking delusional.

>>281652204
>Remember that a lot of the character we meet in the story were alive while the 1st and 2nd Hokage were hanging around, despite them being treated as ancient legends
See >>281649695

I used tot think Sakura was the biggest footbrat but I forget about Rin

>>281652275
You're being a bit excessive on a lot of these.
But yes all three have extremely badly done worldbuilding.

>>281652263
He's alive, just a toddler unless we assume Anko is like 6 rn.

>>281652249
>Shout out to that one Anbu who didn't even recognize Hashirama and Tobirama (despite their faces being carved into his nation's cliffside)
Let's say you're from the USA
If George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln were to walk past you, would you recognize them?

>>281652263
>Jugo isn't even alive yet but Anko is going tl get her mark in a year or two at least.
oh sweet jesus

>>281652249
They slept through history class and spent their entire careers not knowing who those people carved on the mountain were.

>>281652275
>Devil fruits give powers because they just give powers
Because the Ōtsutsuki Clan of ayylmaos from the moon plant magic trees
The devil fruits come from those

>>281652314
Tobirama and Hashirama died like 30 years ago at most, a better example would be JFK.

>>281652305
Sakura would be butthurt, Rin mogs her in every way.

>>281652356
Shut the fuck up Obito.

>>281652314
>Washington
>Jefferson
>Lincoln
Today I just realized that Roosevelt is left out

>>281652307
I'm not being excessive at all. I have not lied about a single goddamn thing.
>>281652342
kill yourself

>>281652311
Jugo would've been 1 or 2 years of age, but Jugo went to Orochimaru so he could control his violent urges. So are we supposed to assume Jugo just crawled or waddled his way to Orochimaru for help?

>>281652356
If Sakura confessed to Sasuke while Naruto's "corpse" was still warm, this fandom would be 50% more misogynistic.

>>281652353
>Tobirama and Hashirama died like 30 years ago at most
About 50
He founded Konoha when he was about 25
Meaning that anyone above 80 is older than the Hidden Leaf itself
Absurd worldbuilding
>JFK
His face is not carved on a giant mountain

>>281652423
Rin is sexycute, Sakura isn't. That's the difference.

>>281652419
How would the Konoha girls fare against 2 years old Jugo?

>>281652311
>>281652337
Okay, you're right. Anyone is ten years older than Jugo, but that would still mean Orochimaru could've only met him when he was wandering around as a orphan toddler. Orochimaru experimented on an Yamato as an infant, ten years prior to now, before he started his curse-mark experiments and left the village, Yamato.

HOW THE FUCK DOES THIS WORK? ANKO, YAMATO, AND MINATO BECOMING 4TH ALL CONTRADIC EACH OTHER? WAS OROCHIMARU DOING THIS HIS MENEGLE SHIT IN KONOHA FOR A DECADE BEFORE THEY FOUND OUT, DURING A WAR WHILE ALSO BECOMING A JONIN SENSEI?

my cute idol-chan

>>281652430
Tsunade was like 6 when Hashirama was alive, it was 40 years at MOST leave it or take it.

>>281652498
I think he starts his Mengele shit after Minato becomes Hokage

>>281652400
I will bite
>Devil fruits give powers because they just give powers
This is a weak explanation but it's that they're the dreams of humanity's future
>And artificial ones exist because fuck you science.
This is like complaining about anything Oro or Kabuto do, and there are multiple rules about cloning fruits
>People can have such willpower that they can enhance themselves with it
It's ambition, not willpower
>There are four great weapons of mass destruction that exist for some reason
It's three, unless you're counting Maxim as the fourth, in that case based
>The afterlife for everyone is Japanese themed and ruled by Japanese people.
Spinoff burn the witch proves this false, we just see the japanese section
>There's a dog man for some reason
They became beasts beacause of an ancient sin
>Sexy female mentor for all of one arc can transform into a cat for some reason
According to Kubo it's a characteristic of her family
>Their swords are alive and their own entity but created by this one guy.... Yeah.
This is one of the most blatant cases of retcon, I'm surprised you didn't focus more on it
>also god had a kid and that kid wants to kill god because.... the world sucks IIRC.
This is straight up a lie, he wants to kill god beacause of what was done to him, and want to take his place beacause he's scared of death.
Also a lot of the thing you said, like the hollow existing, isn't bad worldbuilding, it's just worldbuilding.

>>281652224
Jugo was a later addition.

>>281652442
No, the difference is that she died and fell him in the after life later.

>>281652498
The experiment with Yamato was commissioned by Danzo, I believe.

>>281652529
Which doesn't make sense with Yamato being experimented on a toddler, whom as of now is already in ROOT.>>281652529

>>281652525
Even ten years more or less doesn't make more of a difference
Imagine if the USA was founded in living man's memory, with people walking around right now who were alive before it even existed, and 99% of population spoke of the Founding Fathers as some mythological figures who are shrouded in mystery and nobody knew anything about the world before the day they were born

>>281652538
>These are the people that tell you divided military states don't make sense with their best evidence being the author not good at mathing

Does Hunter x Hunter have good worldbuilding or is it just an /a/ meme?

>>281652538
>This is a weak explanation but it's that they're the dreams of humanity's future
>Spinoff burn the witch proves this false, we just see the japanese section
>They became beasts beacause of an ancient sin
>According to Kubo it's a characteristic of her family
>This is one of the most blatant cases of retcon, I'm surprised you didn't focus more on it
this is what we like to call horrible fucking writing

>>281652442
Sakura is cute cute

>>281652620
Anon, as I said>>281652121 and>>281652154 all three have retarded worldbuilding.

>>281652649
It's a meme. Literally just the modern world but with super powers and le ebbin cursed continent you see frequently in fiction
>>281652667
I sincerely fail to see a single thing in Naruto approaching that level of tardness besides the late alien and Sage retcons Kishi wrote when he was done with everything already.

Keep in mind, Bleach and One Piece are like that from the very beginning. Not to mention the giant fucking retcon that is Haki in general for One Piece

>>281652649
/a/ meme, mostly, like a misanthrope that actively wants to ruin most people possible gaslighting people into living with no modern technology, or the blatant retcon about the danger meteor city entails
>>281652661
Yes, Naruto is still my favorite one, and Kubo seems physically unable to give any real explanation to anything, rather than just hinting at something and let it be.
Also Vegapunk's long awaited explanation of what devil fruits are was comically bad.

>>281651996
There are perks to dating a woman vain enough to appear like she never ages

>>281652682
Just noticed she has 1 of the Rin things on her cheek

>>281652718
>danger meteor city entails
what retcon?

>>281652649
I think the concept of the dark continent is a pretty cool idea. Other than that, it isn't some ground breaking shit like some would have you believe.

>>281652718
>Also Vegapunk's long awaited explanation of what devil fruits are was comically bad.
Is it actually dreams of humanity's future?
Because I fail to see how a single devil fruit fits that criteria at all.

>>281652712
I think this is just subjective, but while a lot of the flaws of Naruto are being overblown it's still real that never elaborating on any village even slightly more than strictly necessary, or the general retcons in the war arc, or even the jinchuriki as a system, or Danzo as a character, are all really bad.

>>281652649
hxh has good writing but I don't know much about the *worldbuilding* meme

>>281652769
>never elaborating on any village even slightly more than strictly necessary
story isn't about the inner workings of every village
>the general retcons in the war arc
this is fair and is also in the cut off of kishi not giving a fuck and wanting to end the story at this point
> the jinchuriki as a system
what is there to argue against weapons of mass destruction?
>Danzo as a character
not even a worldbuilding problem

>>281652649
No. Greed Island breaks the verse.

>>281651709
GIWTWM

>>281652682
>curry filename

>>281652734
not original or interesting in the least
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeathWorld

>>281652803
>hxh has good writing
I truly, sincerely think HxH has worse writing than Dragon Ball.
It would be too long to write here and it's off topic.

>>281652733
>>281652733
In Yorknew city arc they were unironically scarier than the spider, when they tried to track down the spider's relatives to get revenge the moment they knew they were involved with meteor city they closed the search, as meteor city was famous for organizing retaliatory kamikaze attack killing many time the victims.
After that they became completely ineffective, doing nothing when attacked by the chimera ants and during the Chrollo flashback, already full of retcons, Chrollo's motivation is being fearsome enough people won't mess with Meteor City, when instead in Yorknew it was litterally unknown that the spider came from Meteor City.
>>281652740
Yes, it's actually that, seems like someone dreamed to be a jacket.
By the way the reason he theorized you can't swim is that the sea, mother of life, reject this unnatural status.

When do we get Asuma Gaiden?
Guy Gaiden?
Kurenai Gaid- ahahahaha

>>281652931
>Yes, it's actually that, seems like someone dreamed to be a jacket.
>By the way the reason he theorized you can't swim is that the sea, mother of life, reject this unnatural status.
god, that is so fucking retarded

If Neji wants Naruto to kiss Hinata so badly why doesn't he just ask him to do so?

>>281652933
I want Anko Gaiden

>>281652933
Kishimoto...

>>281652821
>story isn't about the inner workings of every village
Yes, I don't ask for details, just general informations, like wich are allied.
>what is there to argue against weapons of mass destruction?
The blatant retcons that make everything about how Naruto and Gaara were treated nonsensical
>not even a worldbuilding problem
Unironically he manages to notably worsen the worldbuilding.

>>281652931
>the reason he theorized you can't swim is that the sea, mother of life, reject this unnatural status.
Best selling manga ever

I want more Kabuto
What's the point of letting him live and get away with crimes against humanity if he never shows up again?

>>281652933
GIVE. ME. TOBIRAMA. GAIDEN.
And retcon his death Kishi.

When is Kishi releasing the adults-only Jiraiya Gaiden?

>>281653011
gangraped by 20 kumo ninjas

what's the difference between "Hiden" and "Gaiden"?

>>281652975
>Yes, I don't ask for details, just general informations, like wich are allied.
They're all against each other.
>The blatant retcons that make everything about how Naruto and Gaara were treated nonsensical
The fuck are you talking about? If you knew someone who could explode at any moment, you'd want to be as far away from them as possible and never associate with them.
>Unironically he manages to notably worsen the worldbuilding.
Quit being retarded

>>281652954
She's so fat

>>281653106
GOOD

>>281653106
if only Obito hadn't died again

>>281653060
>They're all against each other.
We know they were allied with Suna, so that's false
>The fuck are you talking about? If you knew someone who could explode at any moment, you'd want to be as far away from them as possible and never associate with them.
I wouldn't accuse him of being a fox, I wouldn't accuse Bunpuku of being a racoon, I wouldn't actively try to mindbreak my superweapon, and no, if I knew one of us hold the superweapon of our village, and it's extremely difficult it breaks out, and I was a fighter, I would try to avoid him being isolated and never developing attachment to the village.
>Quit being retarded
Never.
More seriously I obviously can't answer this, if you can't see how pinning half the problem of the world on a single person, who is allegedly smart but always achieve the worsen every situation, doesn't worsen the worldbuilding, I can't really talk to you about this.

>>281653172
>We know they were allied with Suna, so that's false
oh my god
>I wouldn't accuse him of being a fox, I wouldn't accuse Bunpuku of being a racoon, I wouldn't actively try to mindbreak my superweapon, and no, if I knew one of us hold the superweapon of our village, and it's extremely difficult it breaks out, and I was a fighter, I would try to avoid him being isolated and never developing attachment to the village.
cool story, bro
>More seriously I obviously can't answer this, if you can't see how pinning half the problem of the world on a single person, who is allegedly smart but always achieve the worsen every situation, doesn't worsen the worldbuilding, I can't really talk to you about this.
Danzo did nothing wrong
and people still shit him for the same reason they dick ride itachi

holy goddamn shit
why am i always surrounded by fucking idiots?

>>281653236 (you)

>>281653236
>Danzo did nothing wrong
Danzo was written as the most cartoony villain in WSJ's history because Kishimoto had to find a way to shit the blame of 50+ years of multi-village fuckery to one guy so that every other Kage could be seen as an innocent victim

>Pain
99% Hanzo
>Orochimaru
Let's be real, this is Hiruzen's fuck up
>Obito
Madara
>The Uchiha
See above
and Itachi and Obito were the ones to do the actual killing they could've turned against konoha at any time together

>>281653330
People who defend Danzo are so funny to me, even the in-universe dick-riders of Danzo forgave Sasuke quickly after killing him lmao.

>>281653382
>99% Hanzo
Danzo literally told Hanzo 'hey those kids might replace you'
>orochimaru
Danzo funded his adventures
>Uchiha
told them to not go and help the village during the 9 tails attack

>>281653391
That's because Sasuke has plot armor out the ass

>>281647206 (OP)
>>281383892
>>281409658
>>281439438

>>281653426
Or Maybe nobody genuinely liked Danzo.

>>281653425
>Danzo literally told Hanzo 'hey those kids might replace you'
And Hanzo believed the same
>Danzo funded his adventures
Like Orochimaru needs fucking money
>told them to not go and help the village during the 9 tails attack
since when?

i swear, if one of you faggots brings up the goddamn light novels where six year old fucking itachi can use tsunade's chakra strength, i am going to find a way to choke the life out of you from the screen

>>281653433
What?

>>281653011
I'd like an actual Minato Gaiden and not a Kushina Gaiden in disguise

>>281653447
>Like Orochimaru needs fucking money
Yes? For the tools and his machines? You think they grow on trees or something?

>>281653456
BORINGnato's only interesting aspect is his wife.
>t.Kishimoto

>>281653382
>99% Hanzo
Explicitely Danzo and Hanzo alliance
>Let's be real, this is Hiruzen's fuck up
It isn't a fuck up from Danzo, because it was Danzo's explicit intention to ally with him
>Madara
Yes, but Danzo played along with their plans, causing the Uchiha revolt and massacre
He also caused Naruto being isolated, caused Kabuto, wich was a good half of the ninja war, responsible of the horrors of the root, worsened Pain's attack, almost caused a new war trying to brainwash the other kage and much else.

>>281648071
Would Hinata fall for Obito?
>>281647424
Oh, he'll give you a gift, Kakashi...

>>281653447
>i swear, if one of you faggots brings up the goddamn light novels where six year old fucking itachi can use tsunade's chakra strength, i am going to find a way to choke the life out of you from the screen
At the very least, it gave us a one Byakugan-eyed half-Hyuga who bitch made Shisui and Itachi at the same time.
a shame he lost to plot but so do most characters against the red-eyed author's pets

>>281653507
>Explicitely Danzo and Hanzo alliance
oh my fucking god
>It isn't a fuck up from Danzo, because it was Danzo's explicit intention to ally with him
what the fuck are you even talking about?
>Yes, but Danzo played along with their plans, causing the Uchiha revolt and massacre
are you fucking retarded?
>He also caused Naruto being isolated, caused Kabuto, wich was a good half of the ninja war, responsible of the horrors of the root, worsened Pain's attack, almost caused a new war trying to brainwash the other kage and much else.
Kill yourself

>>281653508
Obito is not inspiring like Naruto, i think.

How is Hiruzen not at fault for the massacre if by this insane logic he let Danzo act alone and fall for the plot then?

>>281653507
>worsened Pain's attack
He actually bought Naruto enough time to set up that close trick at the very least, which still wasn't enough.

I suggest to all stop answering the shitposter, he arrived to the point where he's spamming kill yourself, so it's not fun anymore.
Sorry for biting his bait in the first place.

>>281653533
except he literally inspires kakashi to change his outlook on life

>>281653583
By dying.

>>281647302
ENTER the second most sucked off character in the manga

>>281653570
He's never worth the time wasted talking to him, anon.

>>281653473
This is the actual reason Hiruzen was pissed at him btw
>Orochimaru ! I can accept killing kids to make new weapons, but I draw the line at stealing from the village treasury !

>>281653617
you motherfucker, my sides

>>281653598
wrong

>>281652203
Yo

>>281652649
>Does Hunter x Hunter have good worldbuilding
dark continent + earth.
That's hxh. I don't think anyone mentions HxH when it comes to worldbuilding, the strength of HxH is the characters.

>>281647593
>Those massive mushrooms
Might seem basic as a set piece but it’s still nice to see the series play into its more mystical nature. The planet Naruto takes place on doesn’t really try to differentiate itself from ours as much as I remember.

>>281653617
if you look at the era Hiruzen grew up in, it makes perfect sense.

>>281652880
Good thing HxH is nothing like DB though some people seem to think it is

>>281653617
Konoha employs child soldiers and the second Hokage was a crazy motherfucker who invented actual necromancy
For someone like Hiruzen making genetic experiments out of orphans, if done for the good of the Leaf, was the norm
To steal from the village? Blasphemy

>>281653425
>>281653447
Man the politics in Naruto are so fucking bad.

>>281653780
Literally taken from Dragon Ball

>>281653567
>>281653507
Most of these are filler but most importantly Danzo actually saved Konoha during the Pain arc. Without him Naruto would have come back BEFORE Pain wasted his Shinra Nuke for nothing, which gave Naruto the chance to beat the other bodies.

>>281651349
That's like 5 people in a war against entire nations. Granted this was also before your top 1% of fighters have a bunch of chakra nukes and a legendary fighter was just really really fast
>>281649340
the monkey's finger curls

>>281653646
Using Kakashi's dead father is cheating tbf.
Naruto inspired Hinata without even having to talk to her directly.

>>281653910
None of those are filler, and only one of them is novel.

>>281653927
What are the other villages supposed to do against that?

>>281653910
He didn't do that for that intention though.

>>281653927
>Granted this was also before your top 1% of fighters have a bunch of chakra nukes and a legendary fighter was just really really fast
Yeah one of Naruto's biggest problems is that if you read it with knowledge of what is revealed later nothing, NOTHING makes sense

>>281653972
Earth walls

>>281653950
Danzo never caused Orochimaru or isolated Naruto.

>>281653972
Surely there are other giant animal summons besides what gets used by main characters. Besides without on-screen plot armor, most of them would probably die in a fight to some hundred plus enemy ninjas since you don't have to actively show them being cool.

>>281648196
I’m just genuinely surprised this was released before Shippuden actually started. All this time I assumed this flashback was slapped right in the middle of the War arc or something.

>>281647477
>*His team is falling apart in front of his eyes*
>Ugh... Are you done? Let's get on with it already. I want to go back home and fuck my wife

He did it actually.

>>281654036
If my wife was Kushina, I would think the same.

>>281654037
Meant for >>281653997 lol

>>281654032
>All this time I assumed this flashback was slapped right in the middle of the War arc or something.
in the anime they put it before Sasuke's fight with Itachi around episode 130 IIRC

>>281653910
See?

Surely, with the help of Root and Danzo himself, Pain could've been defeated without Naruto, no?

>>281648196
I like it being a moment of fleshing out kakashi's backstory but knowing obito survives makes this feel like a cheap gotcha moment plus this obito doesn't feel like he would turn into simp hitler

>>281654027
What are the THOUSANDS of chunin shitters supposed to do against the fireball that dwarves even the kaiju? Hell, bunta would kill 1000 with each step

>>281654032
In the anime it's shown in episodes 119 and 120 of Shippuden
In the middle of the Itachi pursuit Arc
Personally I think it works better this way

>>281653997
Danzo collaborated with Oro, enabling him and actively helping a traitor to the leaf, and in the novel he was the one who spread news of his jinchurikihood and caused him to be isolated.

>>281654097
Pain can stall. Danzo is strong because he gets 10 minutes of god mode but beating Pain takes a lot longer than 10 minutes.

>>281654144
>>281654027
>>281653972
How many Konoha girls would this attack kill?

>>281649695
This is retarded attempt to justify it. You zoomers really have the attention span of a goldfish and can't seem to fathom the idea that humans recorded their history in various ways and a single decade isn't as long as you make it seem.

>>281654161
In the manga all we know is that Danzo got some Hashirama upgrades from Oro. As far as we know Oro did most of his stuff alone and Danzo never pushed him.
>novel
Lol

>>281654161
>in the novel he was the one who spread news of his jinchurikihood and caused him to be isolated.
Actual saturday morning cartoon villain shit
For what reason?!

>>281649695
What kind of tv shows exist in naruto world? Is it all state sponsored propaganda or does anime exist in universe?

>>281654179
Anon you're more retarded than a zoomer.
I was criticising how the fact that nobody seem to know nor record anything and that shit that happened a couple of decades prior are myths and legends because Kishimoto is a hack
>you have to be there in person
was sarcasm

>>281654171
How many women are there in Konoha?

>>281654181
That's still collaborating with him anon, and enabling, as he clearly had contacts with him and didn't try to stop him
>>281654191
I have no idea, but it checks out with his portrayal, as he's a saturday morning villain.

>>281654204
TV series adaptation of Jiraya's books.
Anime about bug catching.
History Channel-tier documentaries on ancient aliens from the moon tinfoil hat conspiracies.

>>281654191
so he can groom him later into becoming like Gara probably

>>281654161
>in the novel
kill yourself

THEY don't want you knowing this, but Black Zetsu was actually a creation of Danzo

>>281654191
Bad writing

>>281654263
Ninja skinemax is probably saturated with 'captured and violated kunoichi' shit

Is there anything bad in this series Danzo DIDN'T do?

>>281654275
I heard that the illness that killed Itachi came from a Danzo experiment

>>281654325
Did you know the boulder that fell on top of Obito was thrown by Danzo?

>>281654161
>>281654191
>>281654253
It is really funny seeing this thread in hindsight. We have seen episodes, albeit usually filler, showcasing what happens when Naruto is spoiled, and that would have been a far more preferable result for Danzo than the reality we got. doesn't help that Sasuke is the one who does him in, not Naruto, although that would've been pretty satisfying knowing this.

>>281654325
he didn't give birth to Sakura potentially

>>281651109
>Han and Roshi could summon chakra avatars of their Biju like Naruto in the future
Huh. Honestly assumed any Jinchuriki that wants to use a Biju Bomb would have to bring out the whole Tailed Beast as if it were a summon, like Gaara did.

>>281654325
Why are 99.99% of the Senju gone?
DANZO did it.

>>281654267
He never interacted with him until Pain
Great groomer

>>281654368
I never said he was smart

>>281654347
That's just when Naruto has his parents, what he actually wants out of everything

Danzo? Told Aoba that Itachi came back to Konoha.

>>281654325
Mainly there are two lines of evil, that sometime intersecate, Danzo and Black Zetsu, Kishimoto used these two characters to redeem everyone else, and the ninja world itself, making the others their victims. They died (or got sealed) to absolve us of our sins.

>>281650663
>in the anime he awakened Mangekyō Sharingan during the war
Dumbest pointless addition. Even makes his death look all the more pathetic if he had MS, also means Itachi could've just taken his eyes for EMS

>>281651347
Anon you realize if you’re taking anime filler into account all of the Konoha girls also get huge buffs as well right?

>>281654348
Sakura's father became the Fourth Hokage in the Alternate History Universe
Danzo saw it (because of Sharingan fuckery), got angry because "it should have been me, not him!" and made sure that this world version of Kizashi Haruno could never, by forcing his wife to give birth to Sakura via genetic manipulation

>>281650889
One piss is shit. Fuck off

>>281654363
Nah, I follow Tobirama's podcast, it was the Uchiha

>>281654459
Danzo...

>>281654436
Name one feat on par with snatching something out of Minato's hand that the Konoha girls get in filler

>>281647206 (OP)
This Sasuke is the best.

>>281654473
If you think about it
If Hashirama followed Tobirama's will and genocided all Uchiha about 100% of every big problem in the series for the Leaf would have been prevented.

>>281654227
Nuh uh

>>281654433
>Itachi could've just taken his eyes for EMS
That would have been rude
Reminder that this is the man who thanked Itachi while he was manslaughtering him, his wife, the women and children of his blood, for this very act

>>281654569
Mad Eye Fugaku's ONLY son.

I will forever root for Danzo. He might be making retarded decisions but that's more due to Kishimoto's own stupidity, just like Hiruzen agreeing with killing Hizashi. Danzo was the realistic one and his speech to Sasuke was 100% true.

>>281654563
It's absurd how 80% of the world's fate was decided by one village; and not centuries of history of that village, less than 90 years of that village mean more than all the rest of the world combined.
Only the Rain can say they had a little bit of relevancy

The Carrot posting just brings home exactly what I dislike about One Piece.

>OO-EE, the timeskip, lots of new members, building up to a war that's supposed to make Marineford and even Wano look like chump change.
>Luffy "HAS" a grand fleet, hundreds of crew members that Oda already acknowledged will be off-screen likely until Final War
>hurrrr Yamato and Carrot can't join the crew, because, they just can't, okay?

Great series otherwise, but this flaw among other things in the timeskip make me so mad that I don't care about spoiling it in a Naruto thread.

>>281652430
All this talk of ages and timelines in Konoha is just making me remember the Eternal Genin from Naruto filler, literally just some guy from Hasirama and Tobirama’s time who stayed a Genin up till the present day. He was pretty cool.

How do you respond without sounding mad, Uchiggers?

>>281654627
That's badly written shonen for you

>>281654729
>That's badly written shonen for you
well that implies the existence of good written shonen (am willing to expand this way beyond battle shonen, out of curiosity)

>>281654569
>>281654585

>>281651567
It's kinda insane to think Sasori went rogue this early and spent his time bullying Suna and going around murking random shinobi to change into puppets.

>>281654706
>whose abilities are identical
Danzo go home, you're drunk

>>281654767
Undead Unluck
Nta.

>>281654648
damn footbrat

>>281654767
FMA

>>281654800
>Sakura Shiguji
>Sakura Kasugano
>Sakura Matoi
>Sakura Kinomoto
>pinkshit
What a lineup

I was surprised to find out the anime didn't air this story until the end of the show. Do you think it was a good call?

for me it's Sakura Bokuseiinmonzeninari

>>281654767
Sengoku Youko

>>281654806
Spirit Circle and Biscuit Hammer are seinen even if they feel similar

>>281654870
Natsuki is the cutest!
Sakura is an old hag!

>>281654144
>Fire
Tank it.

>>281654870
She has a lot in common with Naruto

>>281654901
>Spirit Circle and Biscuit Hammer are seinen
Sorry, my bad

>>281654706
>Said the man who wastes their eyes in dumb decisions.

>>281654648
I can understand the appeal of Carrot and Yamato, but I can't help but think that 99% of people who wanted them to join was mostly because they're cute girls. I'm glad Yamato didn't join, I may even like Naruto's Yamato more than her.

>>281654767
Ashita no Joe.

>>281654767
Rurouni Kenshin

>>281655024
I mean he still won the 1v1

>>281653507
What the fuck is Danzo’s endgame again? Don’t tell me it’s the prosperity of Konoha because there doesn’t seem to be a single person that he WOULDN’T kill or generally fuck up the life of to get his way.

>>281655177
The Leaf village as the head of a great village union

>>281655177
Self-aggrandizement, he doesn't truly wants to be the hidden force who supports the leaf, he wants to be the man who brought the leaf to success, and everything must be according to his view in doing so.

>>281655177
Defending the leaf except badly written so he does the exact opposite because we need to give villains backstories

>>281654648
>>281655045
The entire writing around OP's Yamato is so god damn retarded.
>Gets obsessed with some guy she saw him get executed in a cool way, didn't even get to personally see him fight Kaido.
>Makes EVERYONE in the island, including her villainous abusive father and his crew to refer to her as a "he/him" because Oden was a man and so should she.
>They even use "he/him" when she's not around.
>Because she goes by "Oden" now, White Beard doesn't get to know Oden is dead when Ace comes back from the trip.
If i didn't know any better, i would assume that Oda was appeasing westerns, but you know damn well he just wanted to shamelessly draw a woman showing her boobs in the men's bathroom while also baiting westerns into thinking he's more diversive now.

>>281655243
>>281655177
Yeah, that's what the flashback pretty much makes of him. Hiruzen is exactly what Danzo wants to be, even Hiruzen's death. Maybe even especially, Tobirama called him out on it.

All the Fraudke talk as of late makes me think of the Five Kage Summit
the man was saved by his own fucking enemies, holy shit

>>281654648
Carrot not joining prior to the raid with Jinbe was hack shit.

>>281654478
Are you gonna pretend like Minato was going all out on his fucking Genin students for this feat to seem more impressive than it really is? Hinata soloing the Magnet guy in Part 1 filler is a better showing than that.

>>281655177
Danzo wants to be hokage and wants to eliminate the competition, but he deluded himself into believe what he's doing is actually good for the village.

>>281654325
Almost as if he's the main villain in the shadows.

>>281655177
He seethes that Hiruzen was picked, but understands he's an unlikable ass so he tries to do everything for the benefit of the leaf. Funnily enough, Sasuke's whole dumbass "I want to be hokage and rule through fear" shit is basically what Danzo wanted and he's the one that killed him.

>>281655343
Thank god Naruto beat some sense into Sauce so he didn't become dumbzo 2.

>>281655273
>baiting westerns into thinking he's more diversive now.
Every time he does something to make fat women on Twitter seethe and squeal brings a smile to my face and I hope he continues to filter regards for as long as One Piece continues.

>>281655177
He has leaf pride but only if he's the one leading it and everyone follows his view.

>>281655396
Well, he gave them that fag Kiku who's nowhere near cool like Haku.

>>281651216
It's hilarious that Orochimaru got pissy he wasn't Hokage when he looks like fucking that. Who the fuck would trust him? His best bet was an advisor to Hiruzen or Tsunade.

>>281655424
Kiku is unironically a better character than Yamato, although neither are as good as Bon Clay who was actually allow to do pirate shit.

Danzo got robbed. The writing is dumb, not him

>>281655445
He looks lile fucking that and he murdered quadrillion babies, but Naruto still invited him to his wedding. Sarutobi is just racist and homophobic, not to mention, jealous of Orochimaru's looks.

The fact that literally nobody bats an eye to Orochimaru's appearance implies that Konoha had some kind of snake clan that just conveniently vanished

>>281648476
>>281650757
Thats just Athena

>>281655528
Well he did turn evil because his parents died and he wanted to meet them again.

Did Hiruzen do a single genuinely good thing for the village during his entire tenure as Hokage?

>>281655483
shillfic anon, please

>Don't step out of line, or Orochimaru, Kabuto, the Naruto Gaiden orphans, Suigetsu, Jugo, or someone else Konoha appoints will wipe you instantly.
>But hey, the world is saved, and there's world peace!
Interesting story, Kishimoto.

>>281655621
he was done by the time of the war arc

>>281655590
>and he wanted to meet them again.
No?

>>281655590
That's closer to Sasori's backstoy than Orochimaru's and even then that's still not right.

>>281655177
He is the shonnen equivalent of Robspierre

whenever we joke about the Konoha girls does Rin get to be an honorary member? or is she too competent in some regard?

>>281656898
she is unironically more important to the plot than the konoha girls

>>281656965
But can she tank attacks?

>>281655603
Yeah

>>281656898
It's hard to say. She's easily miles below both Kakashi and Obito in terms of ability, and her biggest contribution to the story is someone failing to protect her and she dies. She has the tell-tale markings of a Konoha girl and aside from her being a chunnin, not much to say otherwise. Does she even do any fighting in Kakashi Gaiden? IIRC she's nothing more than a damsel here too.

>>281653527
>absolutely zero rebuttal
What a dumbass faggot lol

>>281657035
Rebuttal to what? I don't feel the need to answer your random insults, start by making a point instead.

>>281657133
See>>281657035