Thread 281674922

Man, that ending was fucking depressing.
Not the obvious "and he was a nobody living a boring life and then died the end"

But in the portrayal of the "other worlds" also having a futility to them. Sure, you could adventure for centuries if you feel risky, build a tower to nowhere, be a villain and a hero anything
And the more you do, the more meaningless every single piece, every experience, becomes. A well of infinite possibilities. Your first fight was exhilarating, now you've had a forgettable amount, your first loss of a loved one was hell, now you've had so many, so many good ones too, so many


Nagara was right
If I can choose in which inevitable world I get to experience my life, I won't take the one that forces into me the experience of every experience becoming (and so being) meaningless.

>>281674922 (OP)
I hate that pajeet from this anime.

>>281674922 (OP)
The message is shit and so is the ugly style for the characters. It's anti-fantasy.

>>281674922 (OP)
What even is this?

Masterpiece
Escapismfags still seething

>>281674922 (OP)
Is this the one where the MC gets cucked?

I don't really remember much about this one, but the end was a bummer.

>>281674922 (OP)
kino
i will never forge this anime, one of thew i've enjoyed these past 5 years

>>281674922 (OP)
The conclusion is that the only escape is to dissapear.

>>281674922 (OP)
The ending didn't feel good it felt real.

Especially getting the shitty restaurant job. MC grew up, left behind the fantasy world of childhood, realized that the girl he likes was only interested in "fixing him", got a job and started adulthood. Kino. One must imagine Nagara happy.

>>281679650
>>281679441
who was that qt brunette girl that showed up at the end at his job? like what the fuck, I felt like something was implied

>>281674922 (OP)
yea sonny boy is kino

but idk if i could go back to the "real world" knowing what exist outside of it
the "other worlds" are meaningless
but so is the real world but instead there is a definitive end to it

nothing stops me from killing myself if i get tired of living after exploring everything that makes me happy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeaGQIMOgO0

>>281675888
why? he was a /b/ro

>>281674922 (OP)
More like Cuck Boy

>>281679898
he's just a bitch
idk if i would call him a cuck

>>281674922 (OP)
There’s nothing honorable about Nagara being a cuck. It just means he’ll be stuck with sloppy seconds when he and Nozomi reunite in the future right after she’s already mapped out every detail of Asakaze’s dick from the feel to the shape and size.

Sonnyfags said it was a good ending because they managed to find a universe where she's alive at the expense of Nagara being a cuck lmao. How about trying 10 thousand times harder to find the one where he isn’t? Such a defeatist and stupid ending when the original path they should’ve followed was already good enough on its own (Nozomi died). So much for a coming-of-age show. The show shits on its own theme once it starts doing the whole “find a universe where Nozomi’s alive” thing.

>>281680543
>when he and Nozomi reunite in the future
bro its never gonna happen considering the whole idea is him moving on

>>281680543
They were in middle school. You care about this more than Nagara does.

whats a modern day mo&krill i cant seem to get him to work anymore

>>281680543
>noooo, she doesn't like my dick, she must die
ok incel

>>281680543
>>281680672
>the whole idea is him moving on
In the end she's interested in Yazakaze because unlike Nagara he hasn't grown up, Nozomi is an "I can fix him" girl and Nagara isn't "broken" enough anymore.
The injured bird.

Some women are just like this. Best avoided, because like Nozomi she will leave as soon as you are "fixed" and therefore uninteresting.

Yazakaze is a "seeker of validation" who values himself based on other's opinions of him. Nagara looks inward for value. Yazakaze is like a runner still at the starting line at the end while Nagara has finished the race.

>>281681319
I fucking hated this zesty nigga

>>281681352
He's the "politician" who thinks more about others than himself and values consensus.
Sucks at baseball so he's an NPC.

>>281679650
The only shit part about adulthood is not have to work but people at workplace are 100x times more asshole and imature than in school. They cant stand seeing someone relatively happy. Fuck normies they themselves create the hell they live and want to drag others with them.

>>281680921
Alright bro, you sound like the type who’d prefer the Erased ending more power to you.

Unlike you, I actually want the show to follow through on the buildup it created, like the Nagara and Nozomi diving scene. Nozomi’s whole setup is basically the girl you meet during summer vacation in a coming-of-age story.

Imagine spending a whole episode on baseball monkeys.

>>281682678
that was the best one though, the show could've ended there

This anime was some of the most ghastly rigmarole i ever watched

>>281682678
I bet you hated walt and jesse chasing the fly episode too
Fuck you joyless nigga

I like how they didn't treat the viewer like a retard and let you draw your own conclusions, and the fact that there aren't musical cues every fucking second to let you know what you should think

>dude wageslave lmao
Are people shitposting or they don't realize that he's still in high school and has a part time job because he chose to move out from his abusive home and has to provide for himself? Imagine trying to frame such a massive step forward as a negative.

>>281683111
This, I was watching Takopi and I was constantly wishing the soundtrack would just shut up

>>281683690
It's mostly seething NEETs.

>>281683690
He's a fucking Japanese in the fucking recession, he's only fate is to be a wagecuck working on a shittycorp as a salaryman till his breath living in a cardboard just happened to be called "house".
The only difference between his ending and the episode where he worked in the endless tower is physical activity. However, he wanted to escape from tower, but he's okay with the Japan reality which is fucking depressing.
I guess he's gonna off himself after the ending, because it is unbearable.

>>281680543
I get the meaning of that image is "cuckshit" but what the fuck is that scene from Kono Oto Tomare doing there? MC and Kurusu is the official pairing lol there's no cucking there

>>281679650
There is literally nothing worse than Japanese notions of "adulthood".

>>281684113
You sound like you should kill yourself my dude. Seems clear that any realistic idea of adult life is unbearable to you.

>>281674922 (OP)
Even with everything accounted, this show is just mid. It doesn't really do anything new, it just slapped on some nice music on pastel art and its now a masterpiece.

>>281683111
the music in sonny boy worked so well when they played it

>>281684242
Do you ever wonder why Japan has a high suicide rate and if their "realistic adult life" might have something to do with it?

>>281684271
The thing that did different at least by me, is the feeling of meaningless-ness that permeated everything. The other worlds, the real world, even the actions and full life story of the characters, and even the characters themselves understood that.
In every other story the characters are involved in, things that happen are critical, important, it does matter to them and to the reader whether they advance on their path to be or get something, be the pirate king or solve the murder case or get the dream girl.
Here, every fantasy could be looked at from outside, no matter how grandiose, and be infected with "meaningless", and so escape becomes the thing in which the lack of meaning shines even more obvious

>>281674922 (OP)
Such a good anime, I'm glad I watched it.
Must be amazing to watch while stoned off your gourd.

>>281679398
Masterpiece.

>>281676580
It's realistic. Grim, mean spirited, cruel but guess what... THAT'S LIFE, RETARDS!!! HAPPY, HOPEFUL OR BITTERSWEET ENDS DON'T EXIST IRL. ONLY BITTER AND DOWNERS.
Grow up and touch grass, face reality, everything you did in your life was meaningless the instant you'll die.

>>281679441
>The conclusion is that the only escape is to die.
Ftfy.

>>281679690
>who was that qt brunette girl that showed up at the end at his job? like what the fuck, I felt like something was implied
Another bitch that will come and leave MC's life in a whim. Simple as.
Remember this is a series with a realistic and mean spirited message.

>>281674922 (OP)
It was dogshit, a 7/10 at best. The story’s so obtuse you’d have a better time watching the Nier Automata anime, which still keeps its philosophical themes and even throws in a solid Shakespearean storyline. Sonny Boy gives you nothing but a pretentious plot for pseuds who worship Angel’s Egg.

>>281684119
She has an ex so its still cuckshit

>>281685168
You do realize that dogshit is about 6 grades below 7/10, right? With 5/10 being average, a 7/10 is in fact quite good.

>>281684334
>Do you ever wonder why Japan has a high suicide rate
It doesn't. It's about the same as the US in that regard

>>281685202
>5/10 being average
That's not even a passing grade, not "average".

>>281685216
What a completely worthless system. Why make it 1-10 if there's no meaningful distinction between 1-7, if it's all dogshit?

>>281685202
Well, not for me, that’s why I said “at best.”

I’ve got actual dogshit shows on my list like Mari Okada’s Maboroshi. Sonny Boy at least gave me Ep 11, before they went and undid everything in Ep 12 of course.

>>281685244
>I was dogshit
>I've got actual dogshit shows on my list
It's impossible to talk to people like you, there's no consistency from post to post so I can't even begin to understand what your actual views are. I'm out of here.

>>281685264
>bro cared this much for some anon scoring system

>>281674922 (OP)
It was dogshit, a 9/10 at best.

>>281685203
If they find out that, and that the japanese birth rate is currently only .1 lower than the white american birth rate, I dunno what they have left.

It's a baseball league here in the world of Monkey Mountain,
played by the great monkeys, which started when the first ball and bat
and the rules of the game were handed down to them.
In the Monkey League, a number of great players arose
from among the nameless monkeys,
whose faces and appearances all looked the same.
They included the legendary home run king,
who batted an unprecedented, record-breaking
80 home runs in one year, Steroid Monkey;
the one who bested the god of batting, Monkey River's career batting average
by two thousandths, the miracle hitting machine, Upper Monkey;
the greatest catcher of the Bigfoot era, Mister Monkey;
later, as manager, he would go on to break the record for most league wins,
with a legendary ten-season-long streak!
Then came the golden age of the M-League.
A miracle monkey came along
and shattered those previous legends one by one--
the monster, Monkey Blue!
This maverick of the league was the only one with blue hair,
who, despite weathering ugly discrimination and crafty persecution,
triumphed over them with overwhelming talent, ultimately becoming a hero,
and a symbol of hope for the monkeys!
Although a rookie, Blue put the brakes to the king, Steroid Monkey!
Breaking his bat as well as his heart, Blue drove him to retirement.
Then, with his mighty pitching arm,
Blue led the underdog team Monkey and Club to victory,
preventing Bigfoot's championship streak from reaching 11.
The public accepted this new hair color,
and there was no doubt in anybody's mind
that the era of Monkey Blue had begun! But then...
...that great tragedy, when a near-perfect game was foiled,
and a monkey was killed, took place!

>>281682009
In erased it was clear the MC wasn't in love with the girl, it wasn't a romance anime.

>>281683024
You'll understand when you're older, watch it in 10 years.

>>281684113
It's was a long metaphor for how teenagers construct fantastical chuuni worlds in chatgroups, even if they live in reality they kind of wish they didn't so they go along with one another's makebeliefs. Caring about bullshit like reputation, childish political understandings, social drama and most importantly themselves to the point it's all they can see. Remaking the world every which way. They didn't actually travel to alternate dimensions you plotfag.
It's anime about how it feels when you and your buddies go buy cheap sodas after school and loiter on a park bench after school.

>>281685168
Angel's Egg blows this shit out of the water.

>>281686245
The manga was less subtle about that. Iirc, pizza girl was more active in her defense of MC there.

Anime once again fucked up things.

>>281686580
How are they even comparable

>>281686377
>It's was a long metaphor
SO DEEP

>>281686146
what is the deep allegory behind this

>>281674922 (OP)
>>281684397
>>281686377

>>281687919
It reaches deep in our past to electrify memories of youthful fumblings between the other and the self.

>>281688072
>reddit pic
Disregarded

>>281687919
A metaphor trims and sterilizes an information message to facilitate its decryption and transmission to otherwise incompatible meme matrices. Seeds of meanings written in non-proprietary language to be extrapolated using local information, more efficient than plainspeak if communication bandwidth is limited.
It's a funny retelling of the characters' college years.

>>281674922 (OP)
Sounds like depressing show, don't like this kind of movies

>>281688882
What if I forced you to watch it?

>>281688023
That the best thing in life is being autistically passionate about a hobby.

>>281688072
>t. I can't understand big words or texts longer than 200 characters

>>281690152
Brevity is the soul of wit

>>281688072
Soul vs. soulless

>>281690195
Isn't this line said ironically within the context of the original text

>>281690195
Wit is all well and good, but extraneous descriptors serve an extra purpose of conveying how much one was affected as well. I know people like to remain objective and dispassioned when describing things so as not to open themselves up to criticism but it does remove a bit of the human experience to be so detached in one's wit.

>>281690583
[adjective] [adjective] [abstract latinate noun] doesn't serve a purpose

>>281690650
It's frivolous but if you think excess does nothing to indicate any conveyance of information you must be dense. It indirectly informs you of the author of the information, not necessarily the message they are conveying explicitly. In the above case >>281688072
it tells you one of these people is efficient in conveying their point and the other is likely pretentious at best or high on their own opinion at worst. The color of language is not purposeless

>>281675888
Seethe

>>281690742
>kaleidoscopic symphony of emotional texture
>transcendental resonance
>prismatic embodiment of human sentiment
>balletic sonata of kinetic poetics
>cathartic luminosity
>ineffable poignancy
tell me what these mean

>>281690835
Here we go, I get that reading as much as three whole sentences can be hard for somebody who only wants the most efficient descriptors, but I quoted myself directly to make it easier

>and the other is likely pretentious at best or high on their own opinion at worst

>>281690908
so no purpose

>>281690777
Best character in the show actually.

one of the best OSTs of the decade
also mizuho cute

>>281690742
>but if you think excess does nothing to indicate any conveyance of information you must be dense
But that's my argument. You've just pointed at the excess describing the author of the long excerpt as pretentious, that's the information the excess indicates, that's why "brevity is.." etc
So maybe your point was that "sometimes that excess does translate to different things and not just the pretentiousness of the author" which, if it was, sure why not, it's vague enough we can say you are right

>>281685244
I like Maboroshi too

>>281691262
Imagine the endless sex

>>281693083
>sluts
>cat and dog

>>281693126
what stops you?

>>281693083
>you are sonny boy
>prodigal son
>returns home
>this makes everyone mad despite being foreshadowed from before the first episode starts

>>281693083
You know what I really hate about that ending? He still looks and acts like a spineless piece of shit.
Just because you choose to accept reality and live in society doesn't mean you have to be a docile little cuck.

I think the true dissonance of this anime is that apparently we're following a bunch of middle schoolers, immature and dumb and for whom their entire lives exist before them. But they act like fucking high schoolers about to enter the real world of adulthood and careers and singular identities that are difficult to change.

This is why people come away from this anime with such a sour taste in their mouth. If Nozomi was properly painted as a middle school girl who just wanted Nagara to come out of his shell and take action, it would be easy to make peace with the idea that the nu-Nozomi is just doing the same with Akaze in this new world. That the Nagara we went along with is finally "fixed" so to speak, and ready to tackle the new world of high school maturation, where everything becomes a little more real and has a real consequences and requires more action on each person's part.

But every fucking character looks and acts and speaks like a high schooler. The show is fundamentally flawed because as a viewer you start to see these as high schoolers and need genuine reminders that they aren't. That in my opinion feels like the fatal flaw of the show.

In FLCL, it is completely transparent that Naota is barely in middle school and that the internal chaos he's going through is being reflected externally at him. That his journey through puberty is as meaningfully confusing to him as everything that Haruko is putting him through. It was obvious that the people who were freaks and truly damaged by the real world. This should have been how Sonny Boy was played out. These should have been children doing childish things. Instead they were all navel-gazing sub-bureaucratic little freaks who all looked at least 17.

>>281698374
I'd say if the characters are written as being 18 but ended up being 14 it probably has something to do with anime culture and pedo-tier taste of its average male viewer.

>>281698374
Hardly the first anime where the characters are school kids that don't match their age. It's tradition

>>281674922 (OP)
This is an overrated piece of shit that's shilled by fantasy haters. The studio Pablo backgrounds are fantastic though, and this series does not deserve them.

It's "realistic" but what about it
Life is shite so just shut up and accept it?, "grow up" meaning just have a shitty job, eat ze bugs and don't get the girl? That's not what life is supposed to be, mc still acts like a pussy, like he doesn't have a mission, no ambition, no dreams, no will to power
We all know life is shite for the most part, but things are nit that bad
what young people need is motivation to keep fighting, not demoralization
Shows like this make me think japs are trully defeated, or maybe the intention is to make people angry, "no I don't want to be that guy, fuck it, I'm going to get into politics to save the youth and start a right wing militia"
Don't give up your dreams just like that bro, mc needs to read the greeks, start lifting weights and at least try to fuck the girl

>>281699316
I think the overall message is true happiness isn't achieved through mindless escapism. Leaving behind everything and living in a world entirely just about and for you isn't going to be fulfilling for everyone (though some characters certainly make an argument against that).

For Mr. Sonny Boy, he really didn't have anywhere to escape to. Just like you said he's empty of all passions and drive, so his only real choice was to return to the real world and find one. Struggle and find his passions.

If you want to look at it in a meta way, Nagara's power was to "escape", or "create" worlds.
He's an artist, but only gets that sort of inspiration from living in a miserable world. He's a creator, but can't live in his creations.

>>281698374
I completely agree with you, yet I don't mind it at all. Would the show be better if they were all in high school? They could all be in preschool for all I care. The characterization is just really good that's why I like it.

>>281698374
Naota is in elementary school. He's not a middle schooler until the very final scene.

>>281685241
he's retarded