Thread 281681624

>humanity ruins nature, that's why they must be elimina-
CHECKMATE, VILLAINS!

>>281681624 (OP)
>OP has never heard of invasive species

>>281681778
Invasive species are still natural, just not local. Given enough time to establish a population, any invasive species can integrate into a new location. If the species that previously existed there cannot cope or compete, that is survival of the fittest at work.

>>281681885
>>281681778
Every species was invasive at one point.

We should still try to keep the ecosystem healthy, but people who act like there's some sacred order to nature are retarded.

Humans should have a max population of 5000.

Species go extinct all the time
Destroying or culling humanity would not hurt nature at all. Plenty of other primates, dolphins, and beavers to take up the mantle.

>>281681885
Humans have enough consciousness to control what areas they occupy and how they affect an area, destroying an entire species just because were “better” is dumb

>>281682444
They’re all giga retarded compared to the peaks of humanity

>>281681778
you are too fucking retarded to grasp OP's basic point so let me spell it out for you.

humans are natural. anything humans do, any secondary effects from our actions are ultimately just nature running its course.

besides, species evolve, shift their ranges and destroy each other in nature all the time. it's not some sort of divine perfect balance, it's a never ending brutal rat race where every creature is just barely holding on, most of the time. evolution ruthlessly optimizes things to just barely manage to reproduce before getting killed by something else.

>>281682444
by your own argument humans driving everything else extinct also wouldn't hurt nature at all because humans are part of nature too and we'd be fine

>>281682106
>Every species was invasive at one point
Including the species that evolved in a specific environment, never ventured away, and died there as soon as it changed by a hair?

>>281682769
the earth and the universe would be fine

>>281682760
> anything humans do, any secondary effects from our actions are ultimately just nature running its course.
Here’s what you’re missing: humans, unlike all other animals, have enough consciousness to analyze how their actions affect the world around them, thr good and the bad. How is it just “nature running its course” when we have a choice concerning what actions we take? The problem is when humanity is too selfish to think of any other organism on the planet and just fucks everything for everyone else

>>281681885
Sounds like you think immigration isn’t a terrible idea

>>281682802
Descended from an invasive species if you go far back enough, yes.

Fuck, all land animals are invasive.

>>281682833
But it would be better to not cause everything to go extinct

>>281682905
Exactly, so protecting the environment to keep it at a stable level is for our benefit. Not some divine order.

>>281682892
If you're american, I'd advise you to stop right there and reread your history again.

>>281682898
"invasive species" is a term that was invented to explain "why natural selection shouldn't be allowed to happen" to the same masses that are encouraged to let retards breed in artificially sustained environments. Just like in BLAME.

G Gundam on toonami was comfy times.

>>281682878
>How is it just “nature running its course” when we have a choice concerning what actions we take?
because we are things that naturally happen in nature. you can't do anything unnatural.

I don't know why some people care about nature so much, seems to me like a trend for midwits to feel good for themselves and to wank eachothers off. You know if humans fuck up nature enough, it'll become unlivable and we'll just die off, and without us continuing to fuck up nature, it'll heal up on it's own.

>>281683118
yea but I don't wanna die, thus I have to care about nature

>>281683118
It's a choice of dying normal, dying horribly or dying slow and painful.

The people who think there's nothing wrong about "invasive species" have clearly not had the experience of being unable to freely swim around beaches thanks to so much lionfishes roaming around.

>>281681624 (OP)
I'm just so tired of this message or anything gravitating the "humans are the true heckin' monsters" shit. Only a terminal urbanite rat like Miyazaki could keep pumping out this same nonsense for decades. Nature (as in everything outside the human domain) is absurdly cruel and chaotic, even more than any human could ever be.

>>281683829
nah humans are the cruelest by far. humans created systemic mass exploitation of everything, including fellow humans to an extreme degree. no other creature or natural phenomenon can do that

>>281681778
Yes, species compete with each other, and external events can be responsible for starting the competition. That doesn't make it good or bad, it just is. Rats hitching a ride on ships is no more or less natural and an asteroid slamming into the crust.

>>281683739
Sounds like you're not fit

>>281681624 (OP)
If humanity is also nature, then everything is nature, and the term loses any meaning.
>>281682760
>it's not some sort of divine perfect balance, it's a never ending brutal rat race
Why do these have to be mutually exclusive? It's a perfect balance achieved through constant competition.

>>281682878
consciousness is natural
mate? checked

>>281683934
Ever looked at the life cycle of parasitoid wasps?

>>281687124
They don't do destruction and mass extinction events on planetary scale

>>281682920
It’s for the benefit of all creatures, not just humanity. I never said it was a divine thing, in fact thats what I was arguing against, since it isn’t just nature taking its course.

>>281683045
>lol everything we do is natural, we can’t control it, it’s not like 90% of humans have free will and can control what they do and the actions of their consequences
Nigger

>>281682933
America is (was really) the exception. Try applying this to Japan

>>281684424
I never said it wasn’t. What you do with that consciousness is a choice that nature doesn’t decide

>>281684404
You realize that you have free will, right?

>>281681624 (OP)
Nature is evil and should be eliminated.

>>281683829
Miyazaki is pretty fair with how he shows nature and humanity, he’s just saying there needs to be balance

>>281682933
the long term showed it was a pretty bad idea though

>>281683934
Ants literally have slavery.

>>281689954
Yeah but ants will never get raped to death by dolphin packs.

>>281690034
Anon I hate to tell you but most mating in nature is at least quasi-rape.

The idea that humans are some unique evil just doesn't pan out.

>>281690051
Yeah but there's also parasites that emit mind altering chemicals that make certain animals behave irresponsibly or make them downright suicidal against predators. Imagine existing thanks to being able to emit literal kys chemicals.

>>281690242
And parasites that will swim into a fish's mouth, eat it's tongue, and then attach itself to the stump.

Nature is depraved in ways few can imagine.

>>281683739
Do lionfishes taste good if they were grilled?

>>281683739
eat them all

>>281681778
/thread

>>281690034
Imagine being a male hyena

>>281688198
You can control what you do, it's just that no matter what you do, it's natural.
Saving a species from extinction is natural, killing the last remaining being of that species for fun is also natural.

>>281682221
Humans who aren't of european and east Asian genetic origin, should have a max population of 5000, yes. And they should live in zoos.

>>281681778
Cool so no complaining from you when I naturally stop you from destroying the non-human parts of nature. It's only natural for me to stop you destroying nature, after all.

>>281691228
Female hyenas don't use their pseudo penises to penetrate. They fully retract when they mate.

>>281692972
What the fuck are you even arguing? You act like these ideas and actions only exist at a primal level and cant evolve based on learning and understanding. Sure, it’s natural for humans to learn and make stuff in general, but what they learn and make depends on the individual and what they want