Thread 281708672

Someone explain this guy to me.
He seems to undergo no character development whatsoever after kizumonogatari. Was he intended to be a static foil?

The closest thing to a character flaw that I can see in Araragi is that he helps too much. Sometimes this results in a worse outcome, but not always. Maybe he has a savior complex.

>>281708672 (OP)
you've never undergone character development in your entire life

>>281708676
I'd say he's pretty retarded overall.

>>281708738
rude
>>281708741
that's not a very interesting character trait.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJPJT276ksE

There lived a certain man in Japan long ago
>he was lean and strong, in his eyes a flashing glow
Most people looked at him with contempt and with sneer
>but to nihon chicks he was such a lovely dear

>heee could fondle small kids like a preacher full of ecstasy and fear
>buuut he also was the kind of nii-chan
>women would desire

RA RA RARAGI
LOVER OF THE HITAGI
THERE WAS A CAT THAT REALLY WAS GONE

RA RA RARAGI
ONLY JUST A BIT PERVY
HE WAS THE SAME AFTER MOVING ON

>>281708672 (OP)
Does he ever score

>>281709041
he gets a girlfriend as a result of the very first arc
so yes

>>281708672 (OP)
You didn't even watch anything after Kizu, did you?

>>281708672 (OP)
You mean aside from the fact that his savior complex leads him to save a vampire that then kills a person and he lives with the guilt of his choice for the rest of (potentially) eternity?

>>281708984
genius
>>281709194
I watched all of it, it's one of my favorite anime. Something seemed to happen in owari, but I'm not sure what it was. Just seemed like a reprise of the same development that happened during kizu. I must say I didn't really enjoy those chapters as much, but maybe I didn't understand them.
>>281709201
I mention this here >>281708676, but that happens in kizu. That's it.

>>281709269
>but that happens in kizu. That's it.
Then to answer your question, no he doesn't change that much. It's very subtle in how he handles things in the later arcs, but he's already gotten his development by the end of Bake. The most development you get is through his relationship with Shinobu.
The rest of the cast is what changes because they're all the ones who have the problems.

Ougi is a turning point for Araragi's development in the later half but again, it's very subtle, suiting since it's the arc titled Koyomi Reverse

>>281708672 (OP)
Him being slow to grow in some crucial ways is a big part of his character, hes well intending but makes bad choices or does immature things and handles relationships in a way that are selfish or create issues in the long run.

>>281708672 (OP)
"literally me" self-insert MC

>>281709387
Araragi get back to work, stop browsing /a/

>>281709343
>>281709365
Fair enough. I don't think that static characters are necessarily bad. Just trying to see if I missed something.
>>281709387
I don't think that is the point. He has a girlfriend and a savior complex. Not very self-insertable.

>>281709269
>Something seemed to happen in owari, but I'm not sure what it was
So you're fucking retarded. Why was this thread made?

It's terrible what he did to Kiss Shot. Like declawing your cat, asshole move.

>>281709472
>Why was this thread made?
Because I don't understand it. You're free to leave any time if you're unable to explain it.

>>281709505
Araragi goes through several major development phases after Kizu, with Senjougahara, Hanekawa, Mayoi, Sodachi, Ougi...wait, a minute, that's fucking everyone. I'd have to report the entire zillion-word LN series here to explain it. Instead, I'll tell you to go read it/rewatch it, you dumb fagget

>>281709558
These are just changes in relationship dynamics. They're not major, intrinsic developments of his character.

>>281709580
Ougi in particular reflected a change within himself not just between them

>>281709676
Yes, I'm just not sure what change that was exactly that we haven't already seen in kizu.

>>281708672 (OP)
character developement is a meme for hack writers.

>>281708672 (OP)
He's a good guy
I wish I was as helpful and trusting as him
Instead I get schitzo delusions about how everyone wants to murder me and steal my wallet and smartphone (its a cheap 150$ smartphone)

>>281708672 (OP)
By interacting with the cast and challenging ideas he slowly gets past his hangup of needing a clear and definite rule of moral justice to exist in the world (probably a side effect of his parents too). He had a tendency to need something absolute to compare or endorse his choices with, acting as a parental/godly guidance that prevented his from growing up and owning up to the responsibility and courage of striving for true happiness. Every instance of selfishness (or self-serving selflessness) used to be him trying to escape or find a compromise to something deemed proper.

>>281709041
walks_home_gently.jpg

with the exception of owari this series has never been about araragi's development, it's about the girls' development.

>>281709580
You could try to read the subtitles and think about what the characters say and not just stare at the pictures with drool pouring out of your mouth

>>281709580
Araragi was right from the very beginning you know. Making friends only reduces your intensity as a human being. You are diluted by all your connections and relationships.

>>281711957
good analysis.
>>281712757
And you could try to make an actual point instead of insulting me. Most anons here seem to agree that he only underwent minor, subtle development (if at all) after kizu, and the focus shifted to the girls.

He was searching for meaning in his life (or death) after losing his direction during Kizu, and even after Kizu he didn't find a satisfying mindset, he's just open to trying and keep looking, especially involving other people and their way of life. It seems minor because it's basically the difference between knowing you need to change something and actually taking the first step to doing it. Kizu is all about finding meaning from self-sacrifice for the sake of another. He toys with that during Neko-kuro but it's unsatisfying and it shakes his view of Hanekawa as some ideal to strive for. He acts less self-sacrificial in Bake but it's still there. The difference is that though his relationships, and especially Crab, he is now tied down by other's expectations (they can suck but they do give a bit of direction). In Nise he is confronted by the idea that nobody's true achievable nature is moral and meaningful, trying your best may be what you can do and there is value in that. The whole of second season is us getting closure for some of the girls because Araragi could only really lend a hand a bit, he didn't save them during Bake. In Snake's case you could argue he fucked up a bit. Second season he is also presented with an idea of absolute universal "justice" in the form of the darkness. This makes him question everything and all progress he's made. We get a glimpse of past failures to stand up and help a girl who adults failed twice.

>>281714534
Ougi represents his old absolute mindset coming back trying to form guilt and doubt about how proper it is growing up by forgiving yourself and forgetting, getting influenced by others, being self serving for his own happiness. He is subconsciously seeking some sort of divine punishment but he quickly understands that doesn't really absolve him. When confronted with all the judgement of his past self about who he is moving on to be he doesn't really have a clear answer but he is in a better place. He would have hated justice being decided by the results afterwards but things are what they are. Instead of completely severing and relinquishing his past self in order to move on to adulthood (like Gaen Tooe did) he chooses to keep part of it. Araragi Koyomi is Araragi Koyomi.