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How did animation get worse in 30 years?

Modern anime just can't compare to the classics

It didn't. Producers would rather save time and money.

Because you grew up

The third episode of Gunsmith Cats doesn't even compare to the first two.

>>281725926
Why not?

>>281726079
The animation quality took a massive and visible dip. But I don't expect anyone on /a/ to care about that since they just want to shitpost about modern anime and any issues with older anime are ignored.

>>281726171
Yeah it had no gun autism or any cars. It was still pretty good

>>281725502 (OP)
The only animation that got worse is 2D vehicles.
Everything else is the same quality.

>>281726171
True. I believe there has been some problem during production, or maybe the first two didn't sell very well and had to rush a conclusion.

>digital is supposed to make animating easier since you can easily copy and paste assets instead of having to manually re-draw them each time
>get this instead

>>281726710
That's not how digital works, anon. Things are still manually redrawn unless they're using CGI. People who complain about "digital animation" rarely even seem to know what they're talking about.

>>281726710
>digital is supposed to make animating easier since you can easily copy and paste assets instead of having to manually re-draw them each time
I don't know where do you get this information, key-frames are hand drawn on paper.
Digital makes compositing, coloring, post-processing and editing 100 times easier, it doesn't help with the process of making the animation in the first place

>>281725502 (OP)
>>281726710
>>281726743
>>281726759
AI is the future

>>281726783
I hope AI crashes and burns and takes the entire worlds' economies with it.

>>281726783
Anime will be made with AI and all the kiddos will have nostalgia for CGI and digital

>>281725502 (OP)
pre2000 and post2000s anime seems like different artforms

>>281725502 (OP)
>animation
>posts still image
Anyways, Gunsmith Cats was a three episode OVA totaling around 80 minutes released over the course of a year and sold for probably 4000 yen an episode, so if you're comparing it to TV anime, you're already fucking retarded.
Most actual TV anime was fairly low quality in terms of production values for the time and rarely had good animation in the traditional sense.
Like, the list of shows with "consistently good animation" of the time boils down to just this
>Nobody's Boy Remi
Very debtable, but it looks nice at least.
>Ashita no Joe 2
Had the backing of a full movie which is where a lot of episodes in the back half pulled animation from, but it still counts.
>Urusei Yatsura
Not stand out, but it's consistently done.
>SDF Macross
Obvious
>Gundam Wing
Another obvious one
>Turn A Gundam
Swan song of the whole era really.

There's obviously more, but I do mean consistently. I'm not counting Nadia, which looks really good in Episodes 1-25~ and 35-39, but takes a fucking horrendous nosedive in that middle portion to the degree where I'm convinced several minutes of animation were done by a janitor, or the Nadia followup, Evangelion, wherein several episodes released unfinished to air.

>>281725502 (OP)
It got more censored, even hardcore ecchi shows like Nukitashi go out of their way to censor the flat chested girls/lolis and casual nudity isn't allowed outside hardcore ecchi shows

>>281727134
Have to make sure the new japanese arent uncomfortable

>>281727063
My two cents
>Nobody's Boy Remi
Among all classic Dezaki anime it has the worst animation, 90% of the time it barely moves, but the art direction and Dezaki's storyboards are so god tier that it jest werks
>Urusei Yatsura
Every episode is a dice roll, could be absolute madness full of godly animation ever other second or could be a slideshow
>SDF Macross
Extremely inconsistent, some episodes are exceptional and some are really bad. SDF Macross has a very well documented history of its troubled production and many episodes suffered from sudden retarded requests from the broadcaster
Also, you're leaving out a shitton of TV anime with gorgeous, consistently good animation.

>>281726759
>Digital makes compositing, coloring, post-processing and editing 100 times easier
sovless

>>281726743
When you draw a character blinking once you can copy and paste it so they keep doing it at regular intervals. In that webm they couldn't even be assed to have any of the audience even breathe. Should've picked a different back drop to be honest. It's a failure of the directing staff, not the animators.

>>281727284
You can do the same with cel animation

Between /a/ and /co/, I've determined that there's genuinely no medium where it's fanbase displays this unique ignorance as to how it's actually made quite like animation, it's actually impressive how many people just don't seem to know how it's created and think it's all just vague voodoo magic (brought to you by people who only like it for the colorful moving pictures).

>>281727063
>if you're comparing it to TV anime, you're already fucking retarded.
EVA was 26 episodes, and 24 of them had OVA quality animation on par with Gunsmith Cats.

>>281727361
But it takes more work than just double clicking a mouse.

Do celfags know about photocopying?

>>281727555
That's because you're watching edited releases wherein a decent chunk of those episodes are improved for the home release.
Most Evangelion episodes beyond those have pretty basic animation anyways, with a lot of it being reserved for the brief moments of angel movement (if they even move).

>>281727455
/co/ has less of this because it's a less populated board so those that stick around actually know more about animation and also most people don't really harp on about western cartoons animation quality, mostly the art style is what's argued about (eg, al arts vs 90s cell shading)
>>281725502 (OP)
MONEY, MONEY, MONEY
THE ANSWER IS MONEY, IT WILL ALWAYS BE MONEY

>>281727718
Okay and? Why cant modern anime do the same?
And the recent Eva movie had movie vbudget and it is the ugliest piece of shit ever made

>>281725502 (OP)
Probably partially competency crisis mixed with corporate greed.
Almost all seasonal garbage is the same low-budget animation quality and I haven't bothered with them for almost an entire year by now.

On top of that almost everything that gets released these days is fucking censored in some way or form but if you point it out you'll immediately get called a schizo + all the other buzzwords.

>>281725502 (OP)
animation? this is a still frame

>>281727678
Celfags believe animators make cells

>>281727455
I admit I don't know shit really but I've heard that the process was less lenient before the turn of the century

>>281727760
>all they have left is special gambling rights
>which they use to the limit of what they're allowed
Curious.

>>281727718

Anybody can watch archives of evangelion for the "as broadcast" experience and it doesnt shut down the point he was making.

>>281727983
The more lenient part of the process has nothing to do with what the animators do.

>>281725502 (OP)
Minnie my beloved would love to blow things up with her

>>281727760

> money

You couldnt magically draw any better if i gave you 1000 bucks for each cel you make.
If money was the answer then why do shows look worse now than they did back in the day despite costing significantly more to produce?

>>281727902
If you actually watched older anime you would know there was plenty of censorship back then too. My issue with these complaints is that they always imagine pre-2000 as some wonderland where everything was movie quality and anime could do whatever it wanted when that's obviously true to anyone with even a moderate amount of experience with it. And that's the sticking point: that the most vocal people also seem to be some of the least experienced

>>281728146
*obviously not true

>>281727861
>Okay and? Why cant modern anime do the same?
It quite literally does dumbass.
>>281728001
And people don't.
And no, the episodes on the BDs are not the broadcast versions. Not even the non-DC versions.

What the fuck happened?

>>281728171

Unless you have some tapes that recorded the original broadcast for comparison im not even going to bother correcting you here.

>>281727983
How the fuck did she get paint on her back? Is she rolling around on the canvas?

>>281725502 (OP)
isn't it obvious? less money spent on production means more money for the c suite and board, otherwise they might have to actually work

How did you animate before computer saga?

>>281728263
That pic is not funny
You are not funny

>>281729606
It is a very accurate portrayal of the current state of anime. You cannot refute it.

>>281726710
Woah those are some pretty well-made plastic mannequins in the background

>>281729829
>everything is little girls now

>>281725502 (OP)

Cel
https://youtu.be/LTQgHcc0BrQ?si=KdPldrJsIOeeUbsz

Digital
https://youtu.be/2PU7-z2vN10?si=L1hNsLWkQiHCJivO

>>281730150
man digital looks like such cheap shit, all that technological advancement just to make a worst end product

>>281730399
It's just like food. Mass produced garbage like McDonald's appeals more to the masses.

>>281725502 (OP)
no one was genuinely watching fucking Gunsmith Cats back in the 90s

>>281730672
All the cool kids were

>>281730672
i was, it was the second anime i ever saw after iria zeiram

>>281725502 (OP)
>VHS-dvd market died
>no niche for ova
>going to digital was used to speed up the production, not to maintain the quality
Animation back then wasn't that great, it was more like limited animation on high quantity backgrounds

>>281725502 (OP)
We live in a time and place where if you can shit out more crap you get more money than actually making something well and good.
We fight for imagery numbers and gets ruled by these numbers.
We are slaves to the economy for everyone just wants to make more and more money no matter what.

AI could never replicate the sovl of hand drawn car animation

>>281726884
Yup

>>281725502 (OP)
Digital looks worse than cel. Animation is generally the same though. Still both good and bad equally.

>>281733133
jesus fuck what a downgrade

>>281733220
What's left side middle bottom? It's so familiar but I can't place it.

>>281729606
He's just a seething retard, ignore him.

>>281733220

Post video comparisons of these very shows and ovas so you can see this dishonest meme image fall apart.

>>281733220
I find these four frames on the left more appealing than anything on the right, and I'm not even a moefag.

>>281733220
Why did anime turn gay?

>>281734411
Names? I'll watch them.

>>281733220
I'm going to need the name of every single show on the left

>>281727134
>>281734824

>>281725502 (OP)
Budget mainly. That and because the drawings aren't done by hand, there's no attention to detail.

>>281726783
this but unironically. Right now, as AI is right now, it already looks like it is rapidly getting good enough to be used in your average weekly shonen garbage to improve the animation. Just like in >>281726710 where the animation is almost nonexistent, AI would 100% make this scene better. No, it won't be able to replace your precious 90s anime sakuga from some high budget movie or OVA, or be able to replace sakuga from a modern high budget anime like kimetsu no yaiba, but in your average weekly anime budget that is done with tight deadlines, on tight budgets, AI will be valuable.

Stop believing your lying eyes!

Old animation was ugly too!
You are cherrypicking!
It was an OVA!

>>281734869
It's amazing how shit like the right gets a free pass

>>281725904
>Producers would rather save time and money.
So that is how animation got worse. Good job answering the question!

>>281734859
Sad

>>281726802
AI will live forever and that's a good thing. I don't get why retards like you want it to "crash" when it only works to improve our economy and especially this industry.

>>281733220
An unfair comparison. There's almost nothing wrong on the 2020s side.

>>281734906
>drawings aren't done by hand
then what the fuck are they done by? robot arm?

>>281725502 (OP)
gunsmith cats is just 3 episodes and most old OVAs that had the most sakuga were 6 episodes

>>281734869
>dishonest sakooging vs honest children's adaptation

>>281735455
They're not? /m/ lied to me.

When things were harder, creators tend to put in more effort to show off what can be done with limited tools. When it got easier anyone can do it and they leave.

>>281725502 (OP)
There are a couple of reasons.
1. Digital is easier, therefore more Anime gets produced, therefore the market is more saturated with shit shows.
2.Traditional artists are better artists. At that time the skill required to even enter a animation company, was significantly higher.
3. The rise of streaming sites has completely ruined anime, as the studios no longer had to pander to the viewers, but to the streaming sites.

>>281733133
The transition from analog to digital was a rough time for most studios.

Retards forget that in the 80s Japan was the second economy of the world, basically what China is now but actually advanced, civilized and high tech. Before the crysis it was projected they might even overtake the US in the late 90s early 00s.We all know how that turns out.

So now you have a collapsed economy that then stagnates for almost 2 decades, you no longer have the massive(for the time) budgets, coupled with modern culture brainrot, less and less young people because of the demographic collapse and you get the mother of all competency crysis.
Holywood is dead so poor people are starved for any escapism slop so you can just mass produce populare isekai shit(derived from battle harem but with dragon quest backdrop).
That's it. Digital nd 3d bs is just a symptom not the cause.

>>281736127
>Before the crysis
Which one the first one or the sequel?

>>281736249
The one done by american bankers
And now their daughters get raped by amerimutt soldiers and have 5 africa towns in Tokyo
Sad! Should have learned their place

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