Thread 281727649

Series who's worldbuilding is more interesting than the actual plot/writing

>>281727649 (OP)
always be a tragedy how this was dropped as soon as the time skip happened, along with the ninja villages just becoming massive countries instead of micro villages to a wider non ninja world

>>281727649 (OP)
naruto is the only anime I know where there should be good fan manga/fic about it given it's world is literal aesthetic kino, yet all the fan works are just "what if minto was still alive" or some other boring shit instead of just making an oc that travels the world or something instead

>>281727649 (OP)
Pic unrelated.

Might be an unpopular opinion, but most anime and manga that get picked up have a better premise than execution.

>>281727649 (OP)
NGE, i am curious about burger eva pilots

>>281727649 (OP)
I would say Dai dark

>>281727649 (OP)
>gigantic world with complex history and geopolitics, both on the macro and micro scale
>none of this matters because all conflicts will be solved in an in-universe afternoon by a retard punching one guy

>>281730930
Unless it's Wano, and the country will continue to be racist.

>>281731013
QRD on Wano, Ive seen a shitton of memes about him and everyone loving him and forgiving him, is like that /tv/ meme about batman making sure joker is still alive so he keeps getting people killed? I only know about one piece lore by pure memes from this board btw

>>281727649 (OP)
But the plot is so good too.

>>281731711
>Wano has 2 clans that are important in the story: Kozuki and Kurozumi
>the Kozuki clan oppressed the Kurozumi clan for generations
>Kozuki Oden left Wano to go play pirates
>while Oden was gone, Kurozumi Orochi took over Wano with the help of Kaido (an evil pirate)
>Oden was executed by Orochi
>Wano goes to shit after over 20 years of Orochi's leadership
>Luffy shows up and the entire Wano arc happens
>Orochi is killed
>Wano is freed
>Oden's son takes the throne
>the fact that the Kozuki clan oppressed the Kurozumi clan is never acknowledged
>Oden's daughter declares that the Kurozumi were born to burn

>>281728441
naw that's very true

>>281727649 (OP)
You start.

>>281731711
Wano is a place, the guy you're talking about is Oden

How much power did the kages really have? It's implied that daimyos were the true leaders of each country, to the point that they chose the kages for their respective hidden village (AKA military factory), and even managed their budget and taxes.

But despite that, the story revolves around kages, depicted as way more influential than the daimyos. Hell, I'm pretty sure that kages can declare war to another country themselves, aside from managing everything inside their village. At that point, it makes little to no sense that the daimyos exist, considering the influence and military power (basically the entire power of each country) of kages.

>>281731798
It's a really good plot with literal 11/10 worldbuilding for a setting so fascinating that it shouldn't be confined to such a simple story. Every time the story deviates just a bit from the Cool Kids Crew into some other character's interactions with the world, my neurons begin to fire again and I'm stuck re-reading most of the manga to see micro-details I've missed.

>>281727845
i member in school when i told people that there was electricity and cinemas in that world and they went no way even tho at that time the ??? ninjaschool exchange arc ??? was at the first duels that werent in the big arena, which was also the point where i dropped it like a turd
what kinda ninja shows off their skills in fucking public in an duel/competition setting lmao retards had no fucking clue how to write a story without mixing school in there japs are so fucked no life but trying to make storys out of it

>>281732287
fuck
*they showed the duels on big fat flatscreens when they had their first elim fights where only the teachers where watching and not some public retards

>>281732279
It’s my favorite ongoing manga and in my top 5 favorite overall. Such a good story.

>>281728441
>Might be an unpopular opinion
>states popular opinion
everytime

>>281732117
see>>281727695. originally the Villages drama was just between each of them and they generally effected little on the world with the exception of the tailed beast's existence or wanted criminals like orochimaru (all events that happen in the junin exams effects only the villages and pretty much nowhere else). Ninjas got cash by doing missions which they gave back to the village, meaning that without being mercenaries the villages wouldnt survive.
>>281732287
okay you raise a valid point anon, allow me to caveat that it looks fucking cool

>>281732310
>>281732287
rare Kishimoto W is that Naruto is the only anime with a shounen with a school that actually uses it right
>only exists for exposition
>only ever used when relevant to the plot
>only really used/shows up like 3 times in canon
>immediately abandoned when no longer useful for the plot
if only he could've used this forsight into literally anything else in the story

>>281732117
I think if we disregard the whole village being separate from country part(which I think we can since Kishimoto himself stopped giving a shit early on), it's much closer to elective monarchies in that regard. The feudal lords choose the next leader, but once they're there they call the shots, especially on military matters.
>tfw the whole ninja world is completely centered around the military industrial complex, with wars being absolutely necessary for it to exist, to the point of artificially creating conflicts
What did Kishimoto mean by this?

>>281732287
It's literally justified in universe though. It's basically an intentional show of power that replaces war in determining which country is currently the strongest.
It doesn't really matter that young ninjas expose their techniques anyways, if they can't make new ones or exploit the fact people are aware of them then they're just not good enough.

>>281727845
The reason 99% of people write fanfic is for characters and to alleviate a frustration they had with their canon development. If you have the motivation to write the journey of your OC there's really zero reason not to make it original work with an original setting. The world building of Naruto isn't that good anyways, we don't even know the names of the daimyos the ninjas swore fealty to.

>>281727649 (OP)
kill yourself narutard

>>281727649 (OP)
People hated the filler which was mostly just the characters dicking about in the world though, and instead demanded that the shitty main plot was adapted. Most of the filler wasn't even bad either.

>>281727649 (OP)
>>281727695
I always felt the world building was secondary to everything else going on in this mess of a story. I mean they just kind of did what ever they wanted for the other villages after Konoha. Its a fun fantasy world but none of it feels grounded in the slightest. Good variety.

>>281731798
He singlehandedly matches Ghibli's creativity by himself, legitimately a genius. Like all true geniuses he has his quirks however

>>281732287
you call that a post?

>>281735644
>Most of the filler wasn't even bad either.
In part 1

>>281727649 (OP)
>who is worldbuilding is

>anime/manga
>worldbuilding

>>281732045
>Oden
Man, I love that guy

>>281731992
>the Kozuki clan oppressed the Kurozumi clan for generations
>the fact that the Kozuki clan oppressed the Kurozumi clan
this part isn't canon. Kurozumi dude assassinated every other daimyo in order to try and become the new shogun, but his scheme was discovered so he had to commit seppuku because of it and his clan was stripped of their position and castle. The general populace of Wano treated the Kurozumi as shit following their clan leader's assassination prank, but the Kozukis themselves didn't actually do anything else to the rest of the clan after having demoted them to normies. In fact, Orochi was only able to accomplish his own coup attempt because the Kozukis did not care to discriminate him for his Kurozumi heritage. If the Kozukis themselves had actually been oppressive against Kurozumis (instead of helpful to an irrational degree), then Orochi's whole plan would ironically have failed.

>>281735977
>authors who care
>authors who don’t care
>taps sign

The actual answer, mainly seasons 2 and 3

>>281735550
anon move on, that ban was on 2009, 16 years ago.

>>281727649 (OP)
Naruto's worldbuilding is crap. Kishimoto is capable of coming up with intresting ideas but he's dogshit in linking then all together.

>>281727649 (OP)
dropped sublots aren't worldbuilding

>>281727695
Someone should write a Naruto's novel, and name it like " the village hidden between the corruption."

>>281731798
He lost the plot when they reached Ancapistan. The Abyss should have remained a desolate pit full of incomprehensible creatures and features. There should have never been any settlement/outpost larger than Bonedude's base.

>>281728441
that's literally how it works lmao.
>think of an original premise
>write some interesting 10 chapters
>gain following
>immediately bring in basic bitch of tropes
>milk the following that remains
>get axed
>rinse and repeat.

>>281735550
>mods actually engaging with threads beyond just moving them

>>281727649 (OP)
Dandadan. The actual plot/writing is mostly about teenagers being awkward, which is something that gets old when you're no longer a teenager yourself. Things like the main couple obviously being a couple to anyone in-universe, but not just outright saying it, or saying it but it doesn't count. Shit like that gets old. But the world building is about aliens trying to invade the Earth and being unable to because the planet is haunted, where the mix of things like yokai interacting with hollow earth subterraneans, or aliens abducting humans for reproduction while studying supernatural powers end up being more interesting than learning about the sad backstory of this week's random teenager.

>>281738489
How hard is it to just sit down once you have a premise fleshed out in your mind, and decide what kind of story you want to tell? Just some standard story beats and a proper ending, with some wiggle room for editorial meddling.

>>281739346
I kind of feel like the world building in Dandadan is only tentative: you have all of the separate threads you mentioned, but nothing has really drawn them all together into anything coherent, yet.

>>281727649 (OP)
Naruto does not have any remotely important world building.

>>281741380
Not good one either.

>>281727649 (OP)
dungeon meshi - a lot of details on fantastic creatures anatomy, besides that it's just anime about cooking

>>281741943
>Anime about cooking
Until it becomes a show about dungeon geopolitics and psychoanalysis

>>281727649 (OP)
Naruto world doesn't even make sense. Ninjas are way overpowered to be subservient to the samurai.

>>281735879
Fair, I actually don't remember any of the Shippuden filler aside from the stuff with Shino's cousin(?) Torune, and also the ep with Mecha Naruto because he's playable in the games

>>281741380
OP probably just meant the world, it doesn't have good world building but the setting itself seems interesting enough and makes you wish it did have better world building

>>281739920
that's just too much work. why spend that much time on something that might not even be profitable when you can scam the reader and bring in the safest and easiest plot points.

>>281727649 (OP)
Most fantasy stories where there's evidence of past heroes left behind in the world. Their stories seems more interesting than whatever is happening in the present plot.

>>281735423
>tfw the whole ninja world is completely centered around the military industrial complex, with wars being absolutely necessary for it to exist, to the point of artificially creating conflicts
Funny thing is, isn't that what the Patriots did in Metal Gear?

>>281730930
>both on the macro and micro scale
Still shit compared to Shinsekai Yori and Dungeon Meshi baka

>>281727649 (OP)
Xam'd.

>>281743896
Because the details are vague and you fill it in with whatever you want. As soon as you actually try to have some sort of prequel showing what happened, most times it goes to shit. Most famous example being the Star Wars prequels. The actual prequel is rarely as good as the prequel in your head.

>>281735977
I think in most cases it just happens when they exist long enough so author has to keep coming up with new shit. If the audience is lucky he's coherent about it.

uh, no? The world building of Naruto is really bare bones. From what I remember the Naruto world is pretty much just the Harry Potter universe but the Muggle/Wizard divide is never mentioned. At least in Harry Potter, the wizard world is hidden by magic or something. In Naruto the ninja villages are supposedly impossible to find/reach by normal people, but there is never any explanation as to why a non ninja wouldn't stumble upon one of the villages.

>>281727649 (OP)
Yeah because the plot is hot dogshit

>>281743843
For a retard like the author of SD yes but Bleach and FMA are able foreshadow a huge amount of plot points because they know how to formulate a story easily because it’s not hard to plan out character arcs

>>281730930
>The world is gigantic macrostructure with eons of history
>So vast and wide that it devours planets
>Even fucking Wolverine got transported there
>none of this matters because all conflicts will be solved in an in-universe afternoon by a moody cyborg blasting with his plasma gun a eldritchean cyber abomination guy

>>281727649 (OP)
The rance series

>>281727845
The issue there is that you stop telling a story about 'Naruto' and start telling basically an original story in a setting that vaguely resembles Naruto.
Which means that people reading fanfiction aren't going to be all that interested in it. As they're not looking for original works, but remixes of the canon.

>>281732117
>At that point, it makes little to no sense that the daimyos exist, considering the influence and military power (basically the entire power of each country) of kages.
It also doesn't make sense that ninja villages are subservient to daimyo power where people like Hashirama were invincible gods so powerful that they gifted nukes to the other villages as a self-deterrent to his own village of overpowered ninja freaks.
Why the fuck did Hashirama obey the daimyo and then cry that "war is bad 'cause it kills children" if you could reduce every daimyo city into dust?

>>281734347
Early Naruto wasn't written by Kishimoto, most of it was by his editor Yahagi, who let Kishimoto by himself about halfway the Chuunin Exam arc.