Thread 281732926

Wtf is going on in the manga scene?
I'm following over 200+ series, mostly older ones that started serialization before covid and less than a handful are updating regularly every month.
Shouldn't scanlation be easier now with AI able to clean, translate, and typeset?

look who crawled from under his rock

>>281732926 (OP)
>Shouldn't scanlation be easier now with AI able to clean, translate, and typeset?

>>281732926 (OP)
>ai can just do it all, right????
retard

>>281732926 (OP)
AI can't do any of that

>>281732926 (OP)
>Shouldn't scanlation be easier now with AI able to clean, translate, and typeset?
The easier MTL gets, the less reason there is for them to provide translations for you. You can MTL it yourself. And AI is pretty awful at cleaning and typesetting without constant manual supervision. Same goes for translation but that's less obvious at a glance so dekinais get away with it.

>>281732926 (OP)
>AI able to clean, translate, and typeset?
False premise.

>>281732926 (OP)
god i hate brown people

>>281733217
Isn't that racist?

>>281732926 (OP)
Is advertising/begging allowed now? How will jannies get money from banners if anyone can post their website logos?

>>281733258
All the english manga sites rip from mangadex. Before this we had mangatraders.

>>281732926 (OP)
You can legitimately use AI to auto translate raw manga now a days, you don’t need to wait for someone else to do it for you OP.

>>281733008
>>281733028
>>281733121
>AI can't do it
Then why aren't zoomers doing it?
Each generation should be carrying on the burden of doing this shit for free like the ones that came before. When I was going through high school and college, during my free time I carried one of the idolmaster series.

>>281733383
>doing anything for nu-/a/
Lol. I am learning japanese but I don't plan on translating anything for (you).

>>281733411
There we go. The mask is off and I see you for what you really are.

>>281733431
It's as easy as this: /a/ doesn't feel magic anymore so I don't feel like investing time in it. It is what it is. I am sure that the /a/ you were browsing in your teenage years was better.

>>281733468
It wasn't just /a/. Each group had a private IRC channel where they prereleased before uploading it to a public site. Going on there felt like being part of a secret club. Everything was just different back then. IRC mods would literally spout nigger nigger every other sentence and everyone had fun.

>>281732926 (OP)
A combination of multiple factors

Many publishers, particularly Korean companies are going after scanlation sites and scanlators themselves. Kakao Entertainment in particular seems to have a team that can get to sites/people that others can't.

More and more English publishers are opening and they're recruiting/hiring people from the scanlation side. The bigger publishers that usually pay better won't let you stay involved in the scanlation side.

Simulpub platforms are also killing off some of the scanlators who chase clout/money. There's still the WSJ clout chasers for some series but it's harder to do now that Viz, Mangaplus, Kodansha, Square Enix and others simulpub anything big.

Scanlation drama feels like it's at an all time high with Gen Z and Gen Alpha. People snipe each other and cause other conflict. There's always been some drama, but it seems particularly bad now.

Scanlation probably won't ever go away as theirs too many series to get everything, also some stuff is just too controversial for publishers to touch. But it's less likely to see good/decent series scanlated for long periods now.

>>281733502
> nigger nigger
2 niggers is pretty weak, it starts getting funny when you say nigger nigger nigger nigger

>>281733383
It's a lot of volunteer work for free and Japanese isnt even a remotely employable skill. I am tremendously sorry but at this rate we'll have mass AI translations before anyone is finished with n2

>>281732926 (OP)
>I can now translate any manga any time I want to using Ai
>But I WONT and whine about it on the internet
I hate those useless braindead third world bitches.
How about (You) do something in your miserable life for once? You are not even paying for anything you cheap faggot.

>>281732926 (OP)
people stopped uploading to mangadex due to dmca strikes slowpoke

Why are all these scanlator groups weirdly possessive of the manga they translate?

>>281733383
>Then why aren't zoomers doing it?
Zoomers don't do anything. They just watch whats on a streaming side provided for them. They don't even torrent.

I TL'ed and typeset over 400 chapters in my time, not anymore though for a variety of reasons.

1. EOPs will slurp up any MTL'd garbage, so what's the point of doing something with love and polishing it when you're competing with AI sloppa that someone shits out the same day as the raws, and which then grabs 90% of the views.

2. Got DMCA'd a few times, and as I go to the moon every few months I don't want to risk potential arrest over there where copyright infringment is a criminal, not just civil, offence.

3. Trannydex was run by absolute faggots.

As stupid as it sounds, EOPs can't even acquire raws or find manga to read.

>>281734161
That's wrong though. Some of them do torrent

>>281733608
i don't think knowing japanese was ever an employable skill since the bubble burst

>>281732926 (OP)
You are welcome to use AI for your own use then, newfriend

>>281734279
>and as I go to the moon every few months
do what now
how's chibichibi

>>281732926 (OP)
problem with the manga scene is credit card companies keep taking down the good sites because they want you to fork out $25 per volume for shit you're not even sure will be good.

Meta's smartglasses translate manga just fine for me. This thread is full of tards who think AI is stuck in 2022. I don't know why anyone would bother with scanlations when AI can auto-translate now.

>>281734404
lurk for two years before posting

>>281734415
>out $25 per volume
You mean $2.50. And they give you enough samples to judge whether it's worth it.

>>281734514
oh you mean japan, my bad

>>281734526
Where do you work?

>>281732926 (OP)
The other day some anon posted a handy AI tool that does all the time-consuming work for you. The translation itself is passable. There are plenty of others available.

>>281732926 (OP)
just use AI glasses

>>281734580
I am a male prostitute. Your mom visits me all the time :)

>>281734596
this, people focused on attacking on ai are insiders with vested interests: artists, translators, programmers, etc

>>281734580
How is that relevant?
770 yen, approx $5, is a normal price for new volumes and getting it discounted to half of that isn't rare. On special occasions you can get them for a lot lower. For instance you can get 19 volumes of Liar Game for 22 each, 418 minus whatever rebates the store offers in total.
3000 yen is beyond the cost of B5 size special editions.

Depending on the publisher and length of the series you can get the first volumes for free. Additionally most publishers operate sites where you can read chapters for free to see if you like a series. Magazines are also an option that allows you to get a taste before buying volumes.

>>281734279
>1. EOPs will slurp up any MTL'd garbage, so what's the point of doing something with love and polishing it when you're competing with AI sloppa that someone shits out the same day as the raws, and which then grabs 90% of the views.
This honestly. When I started reading manga over a decade ago, mtl snipers would get aggressively told to fuck off and only a small minority of shit eaters would encourage them. Now it's the opposite. I suspect that those "number of third worlders that got access to the internet in the last few years" charts hold a part of the answer for why the culture changed so much.

>>281735066
He clearly wasn't talking about Japanese copies

>>281735156
He was complaining that translation is getting rare because raws are expensive to get.

>>281735208
No? He was complaining about credit card co's shutting down alternatives, forcing people to pay the exorbitant prices of official translations. Japanese prices don't change regardless.

>>281735283
You can't blame everything bad in the world on credit card companies. Pirate sites get shut down by publishers with support from the artists. Credit card companies meanwhile threaten legitimate businesses selling manga or supporting artists.
The prices for overseas manga vary by country. American ones are by far the worst because everything has to be big for Americans.

>>281735348
So you jumped the gun on the point in a thread specifically about translated manga then

>>281735401
It's about scanlated manga, most of which never see translated releases outside of France.
Unavailability of pirate raws is a common problem for MTL masters.

>>281735429
All that matters is
>He clearly wasn't talking about Japanese copies
I don't speak for what he reads. Maybe he's an ardent Shounen Jump reader, who knows.
You missed the point, no need to go on a tangent about it. Just say people should learn Japanese to read in Japanese as an appendix

>>281733468
Kinda true. The only TL I took part of was for Thunderbolt Fantasy's last season because CR delayed the release by like several months. The threads are nice and resemble the /a/ I was fond of so I helped out. Other than that, I feel like an out of touch geezer on /a/, I don't know where my peers went, but most of /a/ isn't the /a/ I'm familiar with anymore.

>>281735499
E-hentai forums are really the only place that hasn't changed these past decades. Everything is still chugging along and shit gets done.

>>281735472
It's not about knowing Japanese, it's about paying for manga.
Even if you want to use automated tools to translate it for you, you still need to have it in the first place and getting the official digital versions is the only real option.
These are people that insist learning Japanese is useless since they can't get raws from Mangadex and that's the only site they know. They still believe manga has to be manually scanned because ebook stores are beyond their comprehension.

>>281735499
>but most of /a/ isn't the /a/ I'm familiar with anymore.
I feel this way about almost all of nu-4chan. It doesn't have any of the charm present in the old days.

>>281735532
Look, I agree with what you say, but you came into the conversation on the off foot is what I'm saying.

>>281735545
>>281735499
may i ask what you think nu-/a/ is missing compared to the old days? i see a lot of nostalgiajerking with concrete examples of what made old-/a/ supposedly good
i'm saying this as a fellow oldfag

>>281735846
First and foremost sincerity but I don't think that's /a/'s fault in particular. The internet changed as a whole.

>>281735846
>may i ask what you think nu-/a/ is missing compared to the old days?
a soul

>>281735600
It's more on topic than any talk about official English releases.

>>281735949
>>281735884
all i'm asking is specific examples which time and time again, oldfags who complain about nu-/a/ cannot produce

>>281735971
You could've just led off with here are the benefits of Japanese copies instead. Maybe the guy doesn't like MTL, in which case he's addressing a valid point from a potential consumer perspective. You don't know that and interjected on another premise entirely.

where do you even find raw copies?

>>281735846
>i'm saying this as a fellow oldfag
>

>>281736009
Experiences isn't something that can replicated in words, you have to be there to understand.

>>281736049
>>281735066

>>281736052
this is exactly why no-one takes people who whine about "the old days" seriously
>buscemi meme
i took part in /a/ sings and requested "hare hare yukai koizumi version" in /a/ radio to the point where i got temp banned. pissing contests are for losers but congrats on getting gold

>>281736058
what about raw copies for free people at the seas?

>>281732926 (OP)
kill yourself shill

>>281736106
Looks like shit and you're waiting to be spoonfed. Just read the chapters for free when they come out.

>>281734309
don't be dense. usually the phrase "they do (don't) something" means "most of them". exceptions exist, we know.

>>281734279
>3. Trannydex was run by absolute faggots.
big part of it

>>281734286
What's a god way to find raw sites? I'm looking for tank scans of older series.

>>281736802
Kobo is a good choice for beginners.
Their international site even has an English interface option.
https://www.kobo.com/jp/en

>>281736787
Nope. Alternatives always existed and still do. The number of schizos like you that have impossible to comprehend beef with md was always tiny. Md is basically irrelevant in the grand scheme that's the decline of scanlation.

>>281736728
Most people don't translate manga either.

i'm MTLing a series currently. it's not pretty but the series has been out for 40 years with and the raws have been easily accessible in the west for over a decade and no one in that time felt the need to translate it legit, so i don't feel bad

>>281736827
Let me rephrase that, where can I pirate them?
I used to find blog sites with dubious clickthrough links but they seem harder to find now.

>>281736977
You don't. It's not worth your time to hunt down working links, filling multiple captchas and waiting hours for a download to finish, only to realize the images are watermarked 1920x1080 screencaps. All just to save a few hundred yen.

>>281732926 (OP)
>xe doesn't have a madokami acc
OHNONONO

>>281735846
I'm not going to pretend everything was perfect back then but I'd like to see more engagement that isn't stale decade old one word memes imported from twitter after the internet cultural pipeline reversed, terminally burned out cynicism from those so irony poisoned they react to positivity like vampires to sunlight, or rampant schizofaggotry derailing threads that would have been easily filtered tripfags back in the day. The forgotten art of mspaint edits now that everyone phoneposts. Effort really. And yes I translate and try to be the change I want to see. All the series I have fond memories posting about with /a/ had their own original memes, edits, speculah, and lack of bitter shitposters.

>>281736787
What happened to based and redpilled alternative from /g/

Honestly you can do a lot these days with AI tools.
Of course you have the automatic translation tools like ichigoreader and cotrans. Cotrans can even save as psd, so you'll only need to edit the files a bit afterwards to make a passable end product.
For redrawing photoshop AI generative fill is probably the gold standard, but IOPaint AI generative fill is a pretty decent alternative, and combined with photoshop content aware fill you can probably handle like 99 percent of all redrawing you need.
Panel Cleaner is a pretty nifty tool both for bubble cleaning (duh), but also for OCR. Although it's not as good as google lens, it does a pretty decent job for normal speech text, and gives you a pretty decent end script you can put into chatgpt or gemini or your preferred AI chatbox translator.
Using chatgpt to break down and explain Japanese also helps a lot when you can't figure out something. So in general the only thing you usually risk losing out on is puns and stuff like that, something that conventional translators might lose out on as well, especially since most scanlation translators are N4 or at most N3 level out to improve their Japanese.
For typesetting you have helpful tools like typer tools I guess and cotrans if you used that I guess, but still most people probably still do it manually.
But yeah, you can perfectly fine do scanlations with the aid of AI tools these days and get a pretty decent result.

>>281737156
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAgRBq2jnz4

>>281734013
Because it's a lot of fucking work. Especially if you are scanning tanks. Every step from the raws to the final qc is tedious. Tends to create some sense of ownership of the release.

>>281734013
Most of them run on donations and people are less inclined to donate to the 2nd dog. Some even keep a big backlog of chapters to drip feed out or put donation goals to release them.

>>281734013
Makes perfect sense if you're not a subhuman. For every one chapter that gets translated mangaka make ten. Just pick something no one is working on and let people do what they've started when no one gave a fuck about it in peace.

>>281737294
>Especially if you are scanning tanks.
Anon, scanlation groups have mostly been using digital raws now for ten years already.

>>281733600
>Scanlation drama feels like it's at an all time high with Gen Z and Gen Alpha. People snipe each other and cause other conflict. There's always been some drama, but it seems particularly bad now.
I wholeheartedly agree. Back then I never heard of scanlation groups holding chapters hostage to force people to join their "community" and then act like their firstborn child was murdered when somebody else picks up a manga that from the outside seemed abandoned.
And don't get me started on the .X chapters just to shit something out to "hog" a manga.
Either you do it for the love of it and to give people manga to read or you make it your job and apply to a publisher.

>>281737469
The community changed a lot when third worlders got access to the internet and do scanlation for a living instead of getting a proper job.
First it was Indonesia and now it's mainly latin americans. Countries with weak currency where you make more money doing this than on a minimum wage job.
You can of course blame stuff like how AI and MTL have come a long way, and how anyone with a laptop can translate and make their own releases, but even without those tools they would've just learned Japanese instead and still done the exact same thing most likely. MTL only made it more accessible for everyone.
And it's mainly these for profit groups that are sniping and hogging manga. Since they are in it for the money. Obviously they make more money sniping popular manga that people want to pay for than obscure manga for their own interests.
You might not like it, but it is how it is.
>or you make it your job and apply to a publisher.
you need to be 18 to post it
no seriously, do you think an underage spic is going to apply for a job as a publisher instead of making scanlations behind patreon pay walls?
you need to touch grass

>>281736977
Old series are hard, so in most cases you need to buy them.
You can check places like the archives and the Japanese learning site or whatever.
https://djtguide.github.io/library/manga.html
https://ia801605.us.archive.org/view_archive.php?archive=/30/items/Madokami.NotManga/Madokami.Raws.zip
Otherwise it's mainly places with newer manga.
https://888dl.ps/
https://manga-zip.info/
https://dl-raw.ac/
They add jpeg artifiacts for some god awful reason and have started to add water marks to magazines as well recently, so the best alternative is still to buy and rip yourself with something like kobo/calibre/dedrm/obok. Or using the scanlation school script.
https://files.catbox.moe/w1ohof.js
It works on nearly anywhere, including bookwalker which has a tons of free stuff and cheap subcription to a ton of magazines for like $8 or something. Use it with firefox and violentmonkey.

>>281732926 (OP)
Ummm if AI makes it so easy why don't you do it yourself?

>>281736049
>>281736106
>>281736802
>>281736977
see >>281737859
I forgot about hakuneko, which also is used a lot, though more and more sites don't work with it since it's not updated much anymore and is basically abandonware at this point. But it works well for the sites it works with still.
Honestly with these tools you'll more or less be able to get anything you need.
Honorable mention to that Alex Elliot site that I never get to work on anything.

>>281735846
Moderation used to be a thing on this website.

>tfw there are fags begging to be paid for shit AI translations
>even worse there are people who actually pay them

>>281732926 (OP)
AI is awful and no its not getting better
which is a good thing because everyone despises AI

>>281738407
>If you want a faster release.
How does paying him make google translate work faster?

>>281738169
Hakuneko is updated fairly often. It's not useless like Tachiyomi/Mihon where half the plugins are broken.
https://github.com/manga-download/hakuneko
https://github.com/manga-download/haruneko

>>281736967
>i'm MTLing
With what?

>>281738407
Why are you chuds seething about this? It's what you wanted; capitalism working as intended. Legacy scanlation culture is commie shit.

Gemini 2.5 pro with speaker tagged script + images > 95% of the scanlators.

>>281738441
You can say that again a few years from now.

Just two more weeks. This time for real saar.

>>281738305
This has got to be the only forum on the internet where the mods have zero interest in the forum itself and the quality of discussion on it, only following the letter of some 20 year old rules.
A few subreddit moderators go rogue sometimes but the reddit admins kick them out if you complain enough.
4chan is a steaming pile of shit and Hiro doesn't give a fuck about the mods not giving a fuck.
We could have had something great on 8moe but the thread IDs scared everyone off before a final agreement could be made with the mods.

>>281738915
>We could have had something great on 8moe
Delusions. Anyone losing their shit over ids never cared about "quality of discussion".

>>281738824
Does it actually take the images into account?
Does it have previous chapters and other series available for context?
How much effort do you have to take to tag speakers?

>>281738441
A person who's good at using AI for translation will make it so that you can't tell the difference.

>>281738915
you know that the only thing hiro cares about is getting shekels for allowing business partners to shill here right

>>281739028
Exactly what part of "Hiro doesn't give a fuck about the mods not giving a fuck" made you think I didn't?

>>281738407
>https://ko-fi.com/goldscales
>http://paypal.me/goldscales
I'm doing my part

>>281739011
You most definitely can tell it wasn't made by someone that knows nip. And that's all that matters.

>>281739011
Tell the difference between a translation and the original language?
Machine translation has gotten worse in recent year since the focus has been on producing convincing results, not accuracy. The people using it can't tell because they don't understand the original and blindly believe the translations.

>>281737469
>Back then I never heard of scanlation groups holding chapters hostage to force people to join their "community"
but it did happen, most notably with Baki and that retarded group i cant recall the name of

>>281732926 (OP)
ai can't suck my dick

>>281739049
based

>>281738991
1.Yes.
2.If you send them along with the chapter, yes. But you need to be aware of context rot, more isn't always better.
3.My script uses one 2.5 flash call for each image to generate a tagless transcript, and then ask 2.5 pro to tag it by referencing the images. The prompt have a bunch of heuristics to increase the accuracy. Correcting the tags takes less than 15 minutes per chapter, basically just rereading it to double-check.

>>281739049
>your copyrighted work
Does this actually work? Something tells me they ignore those reports unless you actually appear to be the legit copyright holder.

>>281739206
Ko-fi does ask if you're the copyright owner when you report someone. I don't know if they actually care or if people just say they're the owner but you occasionally hear from butthurt thirdies crying that their donation pages got taken down so I assume it works one way or another

>>281733600
>Scanlation drama feels like it's at an all time high with Gen Z and Gen Alpha. People snipe each other and cause other conflict. There's always been some drama, but it seems particularly bad now.
There's lots more money involved now, with patreons and exclusive access to early releases for paypiggus.

back then you saw a group struggling with something(qc, editing, spellchecking, etc), people would apply to help deliver an acceptable final product. nowadays when people see bad grammar on a manga they complain about third world patreons(?) instead. leechers entitlement.

>>281735348
>You can't blame everything bad in the world on credit card companies.
Yes you can.

>>281738961
Thread IDs haven't done shit on the 4chan boards that use them. The dedicated shitposters using multiple IPs get the advantage of sockpuppeting better.

>>281739354
That's just helping the credit card companies because it trivializes the legitimate complaints against them.

>>281735846
Look up 'fansub' in the archive
Disgusting that the main driver of culture is virtually dead today

>>281733028
It can do all of that, except it's not very good at that yet
>clean
pretty bad, since it wants to redraw everything
>translate
gotten pretty good
>typeset
average

>>281739349
in general people have become more choosing beggars later years and entitled. they just don't understand simple things that you shouldn't bite the hand that feeds you

>>281732926 (OP)
Can't you just cut out the middle and use google lens to read raws if you don't want to learn the language.

>>281739547
manga scanlations have been doing what fansubs used to do for a while, but it's mainly the past three-four years or so that the culture has degenerated to what it is today
it is sad but it is what it is. not much you can do about it besides learning japanese

>>281739427
>samefagging is totally easier if you have to jump through hoops to do it instead of just samefagging
Bullshit. It takes effort for a samefag to crate multiple "personalities" and it's comparatively very easy for you to filter them. The (1)pbti strategy also immediately blows their cover. 8moe proved this. The threads with people in them blew 4cuck threads out of the water while the meta thread was full of dishonest faggots making bad faith arguments against ids that didn't stand 5 seconds of scrutiny much like the one you made.

>>281739862
google lens goof up the sentence order so a lot doesn't make sense
which is why you need to use tools like panel cleaner for ocr to get a intelligible result

>>281739873
the bots and sockpuppet accounts over at plebbit just use an overabundance. in general quantity beats quality when it comes to persuasion on the interwebs

>>281739863
>past three-four years or so that the culture has degenerated to what it is today
You are a bit too generous. Past 8-9 years is more accurate.

>>281739935
it's mainly the past three-four years that third worlder indonesians and latin americans have been ruining it though
with your claim it sounds like it's more the increase of digital distribution instead of physical that is the issue, and that doesn't make an awful lot of sense

>>281739011
Even a simple sentence that requires human consideration of available options and story interpretation and it fails instantly

>>281738961
This. And it was striking how good the threads were due to the shitposters either harassing or doxxing other posters in the meta threads, or squatting in their dead offshoot boards.

Everything was higher quality, far less flamewar-baiting, and far easier to filter out the few remaining bad actors around.

>>281740312
That's not a problem though, because for exactly that reason someone will whine ANYWAY, no matter how you translate something.

>>281732926 (OP)
They really should be, shouldn't they?

>AI bubble cleaning
Great place
>OCR reading
Decent place
>Translation
Decent place
>Inpainting with translated text
Somewhat a challenge, due to placement algorithms and stuff

AFAIK, once inpainting is really solved, AI translation should take off easily. Right now there's a manual work needed since inpainting isnt great.

>>281740434
Being correct matters. Plebs will always be plebs

>>281733383
>Why aren't zoomers doing it
https://youtu.be/UPt9pGfpmS0

They were given everything by millennials, and instead they neglected the technology and worse, let it to rot.

>>281739011
The only people who think like this are those who don't understand either the original language or the target language. They also lack critical thinking skills, which is obvious since they are outsourcing their thinking to a bot that hallucinates and outright lies with every result.

>>281740557
History repeats. Millennials grew up with some of the best media(including anime/manga) yet the millennial creators produce absolutely garbage media.

>>281740572
The ai shills won't like this...

>>281732926 (OP)
I can't imagine translating for free, such a shitty thankless hobby.

>>281739873
>8moe proved this.
It's a tiny board so the comparison is pointless.

>>281740887
But I want to talk about series I like on /a/.

>>281732926 (OP)
Is there any way for AI to reach N1 level Japanese translations? I was thinking of starting a side project that lets you interact with the LLM doing the translation so you can feed it context about the story/characters to get better translations that you can tweak according to accuracy/localization, but I'm not sure if it's even worth the effort.

>>281741361
If you're going to invest time into it, why not learn Japanese instead?

>>281741361
If you correctly manage context it’s always way better than what an N1 would be capable of. N1 is actually really shit desu.

>>281739862
That's a tool to help you understand what a sign means, it's ill suited for context dependent content.

>>281741440
The question however is - how can you always be sure of context when you're relying on the LLM to explain to you what's happening? The incestuous slippery slope AI always falls into.

>>281741515
I know Japanese very well.

>>281741525
it’s a useless tool for mtlfags then lmao

AI theoretically COULD translate it accurately 90% of the time if it gets trained correctly. But this is the problem: it needs to get defined what is accurate rather than appeasing the one asking for the translation. How many do you think want a very faithful translation over a le funny or fast one? Take a look at the modern translation scene for the Pokémon news as an example. Some fuckwad has spread a butchered translation of a japanese magazine for the upcoming ZA game by bullshitting the phrasing that infers to things rather than being factually correct with claiming that the next month's issue will feature more news despite no date for more news or article pages being specified. Someone else had to step in, point out the translation errors and provide the mentioned pages of that coverage for validation and that went mostly under the radar.

Tbh if you need good translations to understand MANGA full of pictures you're probably severely retarded.

>>281732926 (OP)
>Shouldn't scanlation be easier now with AI able to clean
No

newer models hallucinate less than n2-kun trying their best desu

>>281741591
I remember that, there weren't even any actual news on that page, it was just a recap of an earlier promo video that the mtl fuck misinterpreted as news.

>>281741515
isn’t that an ouroboros rather than a slippery slope

Everyone wants to be a scanlator, but no one wants to learn Japanese

>>281741401
Coding is easier than learning Japanese

outsourcing intelligence is valid

>>281741565
That's the thing about AI, it's best when you actually understand its output and can work with the AI to improve it.
Machine translations are a fantastic tool to write in a language you can read but have trouble expressing yourself in.

You don't know how to code.
You don't know Japanese.
You don't even know English.

>>281741750
I've had more trouble with C++ than I had with Japanese.

>>281741779
I know spanish though.

>>281741867
Congrats, you're officially qualified to do JP>EN translations.

>>281741614
>>281741639
>esl ai shills

fuck

Fuck ai

>>281741928
English is actually my third language.

>>281734596
Which tool?

>>281732926 (OP)
alot of series are now being simulpub by the big 4 publishers:

-square-enix, manga up
-shueisha (jump), manga plus
-kodansha, k-manga
-kadokawa, bookwalker/comic walker

and to a lesser extent other smaller publishers like alphapolis alpha manga.

weekly rips are regularly available on nyaa and mega and picked up on aggregators like botato, manganato and comick

>>281741591
Oh god, I remember that. It was made even funnier from the fact that he was shilling some discord at the same time, with "come here for super up to date translations and news".

>>281732926 (OP)
>AI able to clean, translate, and typeset

why do smoothbrains think AI will solve every problem and wipe your ass for you when you are done? the only thing AI has brought to the scene is disgusting MTL slop that patreon and ko-fi beggers are spamming endlessly. 90% of these idiots don't even bother re-reading the nonsensical crap that gets generated

>>281732926 (OP)
It's healing

>>281740887
>I can't imagine translating for free, such a shitty thankless hobby.
it's fun, but it's dissappointing that the community aren't enthusiasts any more and get offended when you even consider asking them to buy the Japanese manga to support the manga and make it not get axed
they're just here for fast consumption and have no love for it any more. and they think they're entitled to it all for free. it's just sad really

Where should I upload my ecchi manga translations now? Panda?

>>281743207
>get offended when you even consider asking them to buy the Japanese manga
>are completely fine with you asking them to donate to their patreons and kofis
I don't understand

>>281743079
sad fact is that most of the manga that gets translated these days is complete muck

>>281743516
it's genuinely sad and one of the reasons I'm quitting scanlation
that and that everything I work on gets axed

>>281743560
that's because manga as a medium is garbage anon
fast consumption media following trends that are mostly made to cater with different kinds of fan service where the only thing that matters is volume sales and not quality

>>281741361
I once did a side project similar to this and it can be done. The key is how you define the structure of your content you want translated, and what criteria you give the AI to follow for correct interpretations. A setback is the context management, longer tokens makes things go weird and makes the LLM forget what it was supposed to do correctly, so for agentic behaviour it's best to provide bite sized translation tasks with a cleared context. In your set of system instructions you can provide a list of character profiles with short descriptors that match their personality and usual tone of voice, and this is the bottleneck that currently stops me from automating the whole process, I structure my text to be translated to look like a play's script, or at least similar to one, for example:

system instructions:
[s]: sarcastic
[h]: happy
[e]: excited
[...]: ...

Prompt:
Ellie: [s]I can't wait for tomorrow.
John: [h/e] I know right?

And for manga the situation would be described before the text.

To summarize, because there's more to this and this is already long, as long as you provide the AI the same set of criteria and input you as a translator use to translate something (context of a situation, memory, image, localization rules, etc), you can pretty much get a translation that can be good enough that people won't even think it's AI.

Of course, some of the things I mentioned require human intervention, like describing the situation before the dialogue, and setting the emotion descriptions to the text, but I recon that with an AI agent that takes care of processing images, extracting this information and interpolating it unto your prompt, this process can be streamlined (at least for manga, and for regular novels you wouldn't need image processing).

I've reached the point where quitting JP media seems way easier than learning moonrunes.

>>281743560
Because mature content is more demanding on the translator and there's less reader interest.
And most of the people translating are unaware what's getting released since they read what gets translated and never check out magazines and the like.

>>281743207
>>281740887
*hugs you*
Accept this as my thanks.

>>281743706
There's a ton of different magazines catering to high and low brow interests. Quality is a type of fan service and it pays off when the consumers are people that actually value the medium by spending money on it.

>>281743732
Learning Japanese has never been easier. People managed to do it under far harsher conditions.
Imagine looking up a kanji based on radicals in a printed dictionary.

>>281743732
Read the grammar guide and do core anki for 1-1.5 hours for 4-6 months at most and you can already start reading. Start mining when you read harder things.

>>281743869
I'd rather browse 4chan and jerk off on what little free time I have. Working close to 60 hours a week doesn't leave me with much brainpower for anything else.

>>281743869
And if you look up fan translations from that era, you see some truly horrific "I kinda understand what the nouns in this line mean, let me make up a sentence that incorporates them" type shit.

>>281743706
>only reads Shonen Jump

>>281733383
Why aren't YOU doing it?

>>281735132
>Snipers would get told to fuck off
No that was just the tl community throwing a fit about it. I remember those dumbass sniping rules. If you want to translate something you translate it and stop crying about someone "sniping" ""your"" series.

>>281733383
>Then why aren't zoomers doing it?

Because the concept of doing anything for free for the love of fandom and community is dead.

>>281733608
>Japanese isnt even a remotely employable skill

That seems more the fault of companies that'd rather pour money into AI research than keep translators on a consistent payroll.

>>281744073
Not like the people producing translations have ever been the most qualified to do it.

>>281743207
>get offended when you even consider asking them to buy the Japanese manga to support the manga and make it not get axed
And that's not just the readers but the scanlators as well. They rather work with crappy public raws than spend money on the series.

>>281744462
Phew, now I don't feel too bad about not buying manga

>>281744462
There's been many cases when raws I could find for free were better than the official raws. Mostly for older manga. It doesn't help that sites like Kobo or Amazon Japan don't give you any info on the quality of what you're getting.

>>281744462
They still insist that they need money for raws though, and that the scanlations can only happen with your donation money.

>>281744271
>I remember
You're not fooling anyone you lying brown. Shitty snipes use to get a very different treatment from the readers then they do now.

>>281744462
I know that digital raws aren't always the best of quality and that ripping them can be a pain, but they're still fairly cheap.

>>281744525
Kobo has samples that are usually identical to the final product.
Early digital releases had resolution of x1024 or worse so scans are often a better option but people stopped scanning and the overall quality of digital releases has improved so it's only applicable to specific cases.

>>281740541
No such thing as "correct" in a language translation.

>>281744673
>ripping them can be a pain,
A proper epub rip from Kobo takes a few seconds.
Most of the public raws have more effort put into the ripping, e.g. screenshots, even though their results are far worse.

>>281743720
The context window for newer models is pretty big now so I don't think it'll be an issue. Keeping previous dialogue in the context should be doable and will provide more aware translations by translating chapters as chapters and not as individual pages like most existing tools.
Finding a way to automate the context generation is definitely a problem but for high quality translations, it's probably unavoidable that you need a human in the loop to provide it. I did think about using image processing to extract context but the API costs for that would be too expensive and the results might not even be worth it.

My initial design idea was:
1. Context layer (character sheets with translation notes, chapter summary, manga summary)
2. Translation layer
3. Interaction layer (tweaking the translation/prompting for additional nuance/updating context)

But since most people using AI will have varying levels of Japanese proficiency, I was thinking of adding an optional, interactive 0th layer for extracting context. You could just describe what's happening in the images and as much Japanese as you can make out, which the LLM will then help you refine into useful context.

All in all it'll probably be more of a translation assistant tool than a plug-and-play translator, but one that even people who don't know Japanese can use and still produce high quality translations.

I think everything still untouched should have by default an AI translation. Then if scanlator teams want to do so they can do their own, human-made work and submit it to substitute the AI translation. That way everyone can read it and those that don't trust the machine can still wait for a human made translation. I think everyone would win. If a dialogue is just not correct the fans or scanlators can always point that out and present their own, accurate version.

>>281744928
Because marking it as AI is too much effort right? Kill yourself.

>>281745040
No? What? What the fuck are you talking about? It can and should be stated when it's AI or not, where did I say otherwise you absolute ape? You chromosome hoarder? When did I say that you absolute king sized retard?

>>281733383
Zoomers are doing it, you just want an infinite amount of manga when there are a finite amount of motivated translators.
This is how it has always been.

>>281737469
The chapter hostage situation thing has always been around.

>>281732926 (OP)
Hard-working autists are leaving and getting replaced by lazy normalfags, that's all.

>>281735846
Mostly just attitude.
The internet has always been toxic and cynical, but there's a stronger irony culture today and a fear of looking silly.
Otherwise its the same shithole that it ever was.

>>281735846
>>281745297
Also a big issue is relative activity.
/a/ used to be a more popular forum and in particular used to be a congregating site for almost everyone in the anime/manga community.
That really has died down and these days there are large off-site anime communities that never intersect with /a/ and in a lot of ways have outgrown it. Only coming here to shitpost for the lolz.

>>281744844
Your initial design sounds good, but I can think of two potential problems, one is your misunderstanding regarding big context windows, currently LLMs have a flaw when it comes to large context windows and it's that they often get stuff wrong the larger the context you feed into it is, this is fairly recently known as context rot, this video explains it pretty well and links to the tip I mentioned of giving the model bite sized tasks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUjQuC4ugak&list=PLCRktat40putxnTCWfDCtFOjsGZNduN5q. With the context layer, I'd be very careful on what I'd put on there, which is why I would limit myself to situation summaries that are relevant to the text that is about to be translated. In it I would also put the surrounding paragraphs so it can contrast with the summary and connect the dots without jumping to conclusions, similar to how if anyone asks you to translate a sentence you'd immediately ask them for the rest of the conversation to know for sure. Whether it's one, two, or three paragraphs, is up to how much text the model can take before it starts fucking up badly, there would need to be some testing involved for specific models).

The second potential problem I can vaguely imagine is the fear of iterating on a bad result in the interaction layer you described, betting on the randomness factor that is the output and updating it without human oversight can possibly lead to wild mistakes, especially if you use that output to update the context for your next translation, if we're talking about a fully automated proccess of course, which is what I assumed when you described the interaction layer (otherwise if you meant interaction as in the user handling the tweaking, don't pay attention to it).

>>281737469
I actually want AI to advance just to fuck scanlators and their gay ass dramas and petty power trips over knowing moon runes. I want them to be kicked out and outperformed by a souless bot that don't complain, gets results instantly and doesnt get into cancel threads and google documents over nothingburgers. These people need to go.

>>281744928
There's way too much manga to just blanket translate everything with AI it would lead to whoever is involved not even looking at the output. And just like with anime adaptations, a half assed one existing will generally prevent anyone else from doing their own. Not always, but generally it will. It's better to have nothing than something done half asked in that respect.

>>281745475
>knowing moon runes.
Nowadays they usually don't.

>>281743869
>Learning Japanese has never been easier. People managed to do it under far harsher conditions.
>Imagine looking up a kanji based on radicals in a printed dictionary.
Genki 1
https://files.catbox.moe/sronwq.zip
Genki 2
https://files.catbox.moe/mt4rtu.zip
Genki teacher
https://files.catbox.moe/hrnkdx.zip
Hiragana/Katakana/Kangxi radicals Anki decks and Yotsuba Learning Pack
https://files.catbox.moe/9x3me2.zip
https://djtguide.github.io/ can be of help
https://mega.nz/file/QIQywAAZ#g6wRM6KvDVmLxq7X5xLrvaw7HZGyYULUkT_YDtQdgfU anki core 2k/6k

>>281744765
There is, however, such a thing as "incorrect".

>>281745475
How brown do you have to be to hate the people that enabled your consooming for god knows how many year. It might not even be a subhuman thing, you probably just legit mentally ill.

I would sell my virginity for good manga translations.

>>281745341
>/a/ used to be a more popular forum and in particular used to be a congregating site for almost everyone in the anime/manga community.
this is so weird
I used to be used with people being familiar with /a/ if they were interested in manga and anime like less than ten years ago
nowadays most people into anime and manga have never been on /a/
it's so weird

>>281745718
kek, seething eop. All manga is written by brown ESLs. And the only mentally ill person here is you.

>>281745663
man the core 2/6k mega link is dead

>>281745718
Not half as brown as those sissies. And I see even more brownery in the fact that you support that bunch of fucks instead of a refined, precise and straight to the point AI when it eventually evolves into that.

>>281732971
Heh heh . . . "Hey!"

>>281745416
What I mean by keeping previous dialogue in the context is basically just putting the surrounding paragraphs in like you're saying. The average manga chapter doesn't have much dialogue so I was thinking of including it all, but chunking might end up being necessary to prevent context rot. How much to put in the context layer is up to the user's discretion but maybe enforcing a character limit would be better. It's basically just supposed to act as a second system prompt and include the details or translation nuances that you want to retain, like a speaking tic or a specific localization.

By interaction layer I mean the user is handling everything and just consulting the LLM as a helper. At this point the LLM will have the context-specific materials, and the OCR'd Japanese/translated English that you can reference sections of. This is the part where the user can ask about what nuances were left out like idioms/cultural references, the reasoning behind contentious translations, or just customize the writing style to their own preference.
The optional context extraction step at the beginning is fully interactive too, but iterating on mistakes is still a big issue since it's what the translation layer relies on. Even if the user knows 0 Japanese and only describes the pictures, I'm hoping the LLM can still produce something that will be helpful by cross-referencing the OCR'd Japanese.

>>281746082
A more modern set for the 2k one https://github.com/donkuri/Kaishi

>>281738556
google lens, deepL, and some other things when the translation seems wrong contextually

>>281736009
/a/ stopping wanting to be the loli was the turning point

>>281748215
we're all little girls here anno

>>281746411
nta, but i have the issue that when learning anki i remember the sentences more than thw kanji isolated. is that still proper progress down the line? feels like im cheating, like
>see highlighted kanji at the beginning i dont remember
>read the sentence and remember the kanji again thanks to context
you know?

>>281735499
>only "anime" show he was invested on was a non-anime puppet show
Sounds like you don't belong here, feel free to leave anytime

>>281748335
If you're failing cards like then you're all good (kinda). But yeah you're half way there to figuring out one of the core flaws of SRS systems; it's very easy to "learn cards" instead of the actual knowledge behind them.

>>281748704
so, should i still do them? i find that looking up the kanji and understand what it consists of on jisho helps me way more. and reading yotsuba or other furigana including manga?

>>281748771
If you feel like you're failing a lot of cards (+30% fail rate) and nothing seems to stick AND you have other methods that you feel are working better for you than yeah drop anki.

>>281748908
not really failing much, maybe 5 to 10% per 50-100 cards. i think i will just keep mixing it up like i have been doing.

>>281735846
I stopped coming here for years due to spoilers for everything from JP LN fags
I came back recently after only lurking /vg/ for the most part and its quite chill compared to before, but much slower

>>281749034
If you're not cheating those are perfectly normal fail rates and you should definitely power through a good 2k common words deck.

>>281737211
>What happened to based and redpilled alternative from /g/
Trannydex admins ensured it neevr took off by stringing everyone along with >just 2 more weeks bro after hombre fucked them.

>>281743732
learning japanese is easy lol
meme language

>>281749392
Both the manga subreddit, which is controlled by mangadex and mainly just used to promote mangadex and force all the users to link to mangadex, and mangadex are basically there to advertise for their own comics project. The whole frontpage is littered with their own western comics. And this after that Mangadex didn't manage to go legit since the publishers made their own solutions instead.
Honestly it sucks a bit that they have the manga subreddit hostage, the place is just turning worse and worse and it's a big garbage dump now. They only care about their own agenda.

>>281750017
holy fuck that hand scared me
almost thought I was going to be knifed

>>281738407
the mtl paypal me shit always makes me laugh
i know it's some third worlder where a couple usd a month is actually a big deal to them.

>>281750017
That's because the JLPT itself is a meme you dum nigger. All ""N1"" means is basically that you can work at a konbini without embarrassing yourself. In no way does it mean one is proficient enough for a proper professional job or the such.

If you want to boast do the kanken and get a certificate for a high level in it.

>>281750017
>Hand
Are you khatzumoto?

>>281750093
>>281750017
Pls tell me if you are. I'm a big fan.

>>281750017
Yasuke-sama...

MTL fags used to get shunned and laughed away, now even the fucking sc/a/nlation threads here are full of them discussing the best way to shit all over a nice series and rape it.

That more than anything made it clear I'm too old for this shit, and so I stopped translating and now just read raws and VNs for myself.

>>281750294
good riddance faggot

>>281750884
Enjoy your MTL sloppa, you dumbass EOP.

>>281743732
I don't get why people say Japanese is hard, we're literally hard wired to learn languages. It just takes a long time, it's not that it's hard, you just have no patience for it.
>>281743869
This too, there's a dizzying amount of resources because of how popular weeb shit is. People even speedrun learning Japanese, I think some guy got N1 in a year or something.

>>281749392
So it was that easy to thwart huh

>>281751288
Yeah, why anyone would ever trust a tranny though was a mystery.

>>281751139
The kanji are probably the hardest part for me, but I've always been terrible at retaining vocabulary and kanji is another layer on top of that. Japanese grammar is imo easier than most languages. There's not as much declination as even something like Spanish and the way particles work clicks with me more than some other forms of grammar used for syntax. I also like how easily you can form a clause in Japanese and then use it as a subject or an object. I've seen people say Japanese sounds like a caveman talking but I think it has plenty of depth, just in a different way than most European languages that have much more complex grammar (at least in terms of verb conjugations, or case systems).

I'm more than willing to believe that it's a product of just me being way more interested in Japanese media (even if it was just anime and manga, though that's not all) and probably having way more immersion in my life from that than any other language I've tried learning.

>>281751139
Hard to be patient when you work 60 hours a week, have several other skills you want to pick up, and may have inherited the heart issues that killed you mother in her late 50s.

>>281741361
>N1
I know manga are basically picture book for teenagers shouldn't you go for a higher standard?
An N1 is probably great at Japanese and would probably solve anything that went their way but it doesn't mean an absolute mastery of Japanese. It ranges from C1 to B2.
Keep in mind most translations of actual literature, like when you pick some copy of The Illiad or Crime and Punishment are not done by merely proficient translators, but rather experts in their fields (closer to C2).

>>281753004
What do the C and B stand for? I've only ever seen people talk about the N levels.

>>281753152
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_European_Framework_of_Reference_for_Languages

>>281753152
https://www.coe.int/en/web/common-european-framework-reference-languages/table-1-cefr-3.3-common-reference-levels-global-scale
Academics and linguists who do professional translations, write essays for a living, etc., exceed C2.

>>281753182
>>281753238
I mean, this says that a high N1 score is equivalent to C1, with just C2 being higher. Though reading the descriptions of the scale, there still seems to be a very large gap between C1 and C2 (and really between each of the ratings). But I guess you can't necessarily have a scale the incorporates everything, so like you're saying, you can in some ways be considered higher than C2.

>>281732926 (OP)
>>281733383
We've devolved into a society where people don't do shit for free anymore.
I feel the same way about video games, YouTube, and the writing scene.
I used to be a big fan of the freeware indie scene, games like 7th Stand User, Yume Nikki, and western games like OFF, for example. People used to make games for absolutely free, but now all the contemporary examples of similar shit are all behind a price tag.
Every YouTube channel only exists as a vehicle for adsense money from google, and to sell me on Raid: Shadow Legends or fucking War Thunder or vitamins or whatever the fuck first, Patreon second, and any content comes in a distant third. People used to write webcomics and webserials/fanfiction for free too, but now they're all obsessed with chasing trends and putting shit behind Patreon paywalls.
Everything is a get rich quick scheme and there's no room for any creative enterprise to be just a hobby anymore. It's a sign of our hedonistic decay, and also how fucking poor we all are. Nobody is saying it on TV but we're obviously going through a massive recession and people are obsessed with cash. Nobody lifts a finger anymore unless they think it's going to make them money, and even if they DO act out of passion for a hobby, they're still going to aggressively monetize it because that's just what you do now. Zoomers have always idolized grifters on YouTube/Twitch/TikTok, so now they act like that too.
>Like, Subscribe, and give me money on Patreon or fuck off.

>>281753004
Because LLMs don't have native-level Japanese let alone mastery.

>>281732984
you will never be japanese

>>281753851
Neither will AI

>>281753851
You wouldn't want to be. Life in America is better.

>>281753912
...in the deluded golem mind of the increasingly brown American.

>>281750017
Give it back jamal

>>281737859
Does noDRM 10.0.9 not work with calibre 7.6? Been bashing my head on this wall for a bit tonight. It was hard enough to get Kindle running on Linux Mint.

>>281739349
If they have any sort of donation link then they're not interested in getting any help because they would have to split the revenue.

>>281750079
It's more than enough to read manga and watch anime

>>281755821
Maybe basic shounenshit, but unironically N1/the JLPT by itself only proves a very limited level of proficiency l.

I feel like after N2 audio input hours of natives talking to each other matters way more for manga. Most mistakes I see from even big name scannies are from those category. I'd hire a N2 vtfag over a N1 who grinded with novels.

>>281755802
What Kindle version are you running?
DeDRM doesn't work with the newer ones and the older versions are no longer supported by Amazon.
Amazon is also limiting the resolution to x1920 so you get a lot worse results for publishers that use x2048.
Use Kobo instead.

>>281732926 (OP)
Be the change (You) want to see

Can AI translate light novels? I already gave up on Yen Press ever finishing Bungaku Shoujo.

>>281741591
Can you link the case? I already expect nothing from the Pokemon side to get things right but this would be a new low.

>>281756294
he's so based

>>281756431
https://nitter.poast.org/hsinhsung9487/status/1779757018594541869#m
Worse than Google translate.

>>281756431
https://x.com/soulsilverart/status/1779698472414798318

There's some Pokefag actually calling himself fucking "Moot" who's trying very hard to be this community icon and newsfag despite not knowing Japanese for shit. It's kinda sad.

>>281756532
>So many mistakes
Just pay a licensed translator at this point, atleast you get your money's worth.

>>281756532
This makes me genuinely angry. That Rasenfucker couldn't be assed to look twice at the shit he assumed before dumping it asap for attention?

Just use DeepL's image translation, it's infinitely more reliable than whatever method was used here.

>>281756588
Anon, you don't get it, these are ecelebs with discords full of dicksuckers, they need to post the news as soon as humanly possible to beat all the other ecelebs to the punch.

>>281756613
If you search his name on /vp/ you get a ton of hits for anons shitting on his translations. I have no idea how this guy hasn't left the "community" in shame by now.

>>281756550
That happens quite often. EOPs communities wait for some savior to come along and eat up whatever they can get.
Nobody bothers to compare the translations since the ones capable of doing that don't read them in the first place.
Anime is one of the few areas where it doesn't work well since the original audio remains and therefore errors become more obvious.

>>281734526
I wish
Literally $25 plus shipping which doubles it.
I've pirated manga for decades cuz shit was never affordable unless you were in Japan

>>281733608
I'm actually learning Japanese right now for my Tool and Die job at Toyota.

>>281757254
Even the Japanese themselves buy digital. You've got no excuses.

>>281732926 (OP)
I am glad Shitdex got purged, although I am sad the goyscan trannylators I used to read didn't get their work deleted as well

>>281757268
Quality too shit

>>281757273
But pirate shit is good enough for you?

>>281757268
I don't hate the idea of buying digital but I want to be able to download shit or not have to use some shitty reader
Is that even possible?

>>281757284
Buy Kobo, remove DRM with Calibre and you can do whatever you want.
Being able to download to dedicated reader software on Android/iOS is fairly universal and some shops also offer them for Windows.

>>281757284
You can download them... but for some reason no good reader software exists. At least you actually own what you buy I guess.

>>281757273
Ok. Wait a minute. Digital is the way to go. If you bought physical for a project then you'd have to cut the spine so you can scan each page.

>>281756361
>Can AI translate light novels? I already gave up on Yen Press ever finishing Bungaku Shoujo.
Yes. But most people tend to read WNs since they are easier to access. You can just use the translate function in your browser.

>>281757195
What I don't get is how these retards keep getting trusted even after getting exposed like this. That Rasenburst faggot is still around "translating" shit for retards.

>>281757431
Because there's still true believers. Post-truth isn't anything new.

>>281732926 (OP)
>no money
>no eng translations

italians, french, brazillians, mexicans, russians, chinese all translate faster than english translations and they do it for FREE

they became incredibly jewish that's what happened.

>>281758805
I wouldn't trust Spanish garbage. It's usually MTL.

I'm convinced that the people who use these shitty AI chatbots are all people without inner monologues.

>>281739091
It definitely happened back then too. But it was rare.
Now it feels like every second scanlation is being held hostage.

>>281757284
Like the other said, kobo is probably the easiest one.
You can also rip from bookwalker and other stores with the scanlation school script, but it's a bit more of a hassle.
https://files.catbox.moe/w1ohof.js
Use firefox and violentmonkey.

>>281758863
Spanish translations are unanimously better than English ones, when not done by mexicans of course

>>281733600
Also all the ESL e-beggars

>>281758805
>they do it for FREE
Every south american translation I ever opened started with donation begging credit pages.

>>281759075
I had to endure mexican translations and it was one of the things that just made me swap to mainly reading in english, dont believe it got better these past 10 years.

>>281758805
It's always been funny how /a/ suddenly loves speed TLs when they're in a language they can't read.

>>281757431
Look how people react when you expose blatant mistranslations that may as well be completely made up. You don't see
>Thanks for telling me, I'll be sure not to fall for such scams again and will begin with studying Japanese.
It's
>It helped me understand what was going on.
>I liked this version better.
>If you think you know better, why don't you do it?
Some even intentionally release bad translations to goad others into re-translating their crap. And the retards still lap it up to get their fix.

>>281759075
Nah, they're usually terrible and the shittier ones are over literal because the people doing translations have never translated or read anything in their lives.
Japanese is a context driven language, so a reference to the person being referred to is mentioned quite often. Spanish TLs just say "Hanada-san" 10 times in 10 bubbles just because they don't know any better.

I recently did a comparison between Punpun, Welcome to the NHK, Slam Dunk and a few other manga and the unofficial scanlations were god awful.
Not just poor in quality issues (typos, poor grammar) but butchered the meaning as well.

>>281732926 (OP)
The amount of translations for Korean Weebtoons is growing every year, while translations for manga are getting more and more rare. We are in APOCALYPSE territory for Manga but because EVERY SINGLE Anon, only cares about Shounen Jump, nobody notices we are in the "no return" part of this story, Things are getting bad

>>281760326
Anybody that really cared about manga started with Japanese by now.

>>281759659
That's literally what happened in the thread >>281756745 is from
https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/thread/56896709/#56900664

>We’ve been over this already. The word used can mean both platonic and romantic. Neither translations are inaccurate.
>
This doesn’t like mistranslations, it sounds like the anon preferred their own translations.
>This two anons arguing their own interpretations, saying nearly the same thing
>I have no game in this fight, I actually think rasencuck does an okay job.
>It “can possibly” be interpreted the way he translated it

I hate people.

>>281732926 (OP)
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>>281737465
Days later, but I don't, which is why I posted. I also only work on old shit. Digital raws are also 99% ass, and this is a fact.

>>281760758
I've been scanlating for five years and I've only used digital raws.
Most of them are either digital volume raws, or AI upscaled magazine/e-reader raws.
I think they look perfectly fine and require no work, at least after denoising jpg artifacts.

>>281760326
>for KR webtoons
They're probably all AI. Especially the "translators" that have multiple series under them. I MTL for personal reading and ask a KR friend to explain some weird shit that pops up, and a lot of that same stuff appears in webtoon "translations".

>>281744580
t. translator writing an essay about how sniping is bad when they haven't updated in over half a year

>>281760488
>the word can technically have the meaning the shitlator used so it's not actually inaccurate
Holy shit I hate defense squads like that

>>281761861
It's the sunk cost fallacy. They've lived a lie for so long, they may as well keep living it longer.

>>281732926 (OP)
I contacted a scanlator to donate money, to speed up a project, they replied 'if it's small don't bother', another refused payment in actual money and insisted I had to send them cypto.
I hope AI takes over soon so these niggas learn to not be picky with money

>>281761775
kind of sad, I've been working on scanlations for five years, and I've never been sniped once since my manga weren't popular enough

>>281763473
>I contacted a scanlator to donate money, to speed up a project
You are actually retarded.

>>281764267
But his sick mom!

>>281764321
Hey he worked fast

>>281763473
>they replied 'if it's small don't bother', another refused payment in actual money and insisted I had to send them cypto.
well to be fair, anti-money laundering legislation can make international transaction a right pain in the ass to deal with. Add the risk of tax audit and it just not worth it for small sums. I wanted to sell cheap, low volume, PCBs but it wasn't worth the bother so I just gifted them away.

>>281763473
How would you react to the suggestion of giving your money to the creators instead?

>>281766941
They can have it when they translate their product for the international audience.

>>281767398
They hate foreigners though. It's not a meme, I still remember how the author of overlord had a meltdown on twitter when he found out vampire princess of the lost country was being translated to english by a fan. Was threatening to sue for the cost of a book for every download.

>>281767784
Hating piracy isn't hating foreigners though

>>281761775
Cope harder shit eater. There's nothing more infuriating then having to read shit because some shit eater five years ago decided good quality chapters weren't getting released fast enough. If faggots like you just did nothing, or better yet jumped of a bridge, the world would literally be a better place.

>>281753851
>t. tranny

>>281755854
Dictionaries exist.

>>281763473
Nice larp. Donation beggers have everything set up not need to dm them directly.

>>281753238
>>281753304
The way the levels are described in some materials makes me think I'm not C2 even in my native tongue.
>Can express him/herself spontaneously, very fluently and precisely, differentiating finer shades of meaning even in more complex situations.
>Shows great flexibility reformulating ideas in differing linguistic forms to convey finer shades of meaning precisely, to give emphasis, to differentiate and to eliminate ambiguity.
>Can express him/herself spontaneously at length with a natural colloquial flow, avoiding or backtracking around any difficulty so smoothly that the interlocutor is hardly aware of it.
>Can interact with ease and skill, picking up and using non-verbal and intonational cues apparently effortlessly. Can interweave his/her contribution into the joint discourse with fully natural turntaking, referencing, allusion making etc.
>Can create coherent and cohesive discourse making full and appropriate use of a variety of organisational patterns and a wide range of connectors and other cohesive devices.