Thread 281751753

An anime without a storyline is never a good one.

People love it just because they remember the epic final episodes, but it's really just a nostalgia effect. Rewatching it makes you realize the series never goes anywhere, and in every episode everything resets, as if the previous one never happened.

I'm sorry to tell you, OP.

But you posted the best episode.

>>281751848
I posted one of the many filler episodes that add absolutely nothing to the story and only drag things out to reach the 26 episodes the production had agreed on.

Cowboy Bebop is very overrated, but episodic stories can still be good.

>>281751753 (OP)
I kind of agree. I haven't finished the series yet but I don't really care about them. I mostly feel bad for Faye, she gets clowned on and basically always fails. Also, it seems like Cowboy Bebop shows up less as I watch more episodes

>>281751916
Yeah, GTO is a great example

>>281751923
>Cowboy Bebop shows up less as I watch more episodes
he's always on his computer

>>281751896
If you can't tell what that episode adds to the character of the main cast then there's no helping you.

>>281751945
NOTHING

>>281751945
Explain to me what the episode with the alien on board adds to the cast.

>another “tourist from /v/ shitposts about a widely accepted masterpiece” thread
lol

>>281751896
>filler

Imagine having such shit taste, stay in your lane OP, go back to watching Naruto and MHA

>>281752023
"Don't leave things in the fridge" is one of the main lessons of the series. It also shows Spike taking care of the crew. He even carries Ein.

>>281751753 (OP)
Faye is the only character who really develops throughout the show

>>281752026
>master piece
Only to people who grew up watching toonami, similarly to floppy cooly

>>281752284
FLCL is way better than Cowboy Bebop. Disliking things just because they aired on TV doesn't make you cool.

>>281751928
I'm still amazed that the GTO anime came out after Cowboy Bebop with how great Cowboy Bebop's visuals look while GTO's visuals were very rough and aged horribly.

>>281752255
She just makes choices that cheesy viewers want. Other characters learn to face their past but also accept that they can't hide from their truth.

>>281752313
>FLCL is way better than Cowboy Bebop.
lol. lmao even.

Faye says a girl would never wait for a guy during the episode where Jet meets up with is old girlfriend, but then of course Julia is waiting for Spike. Faye's a gold digging whore.

>>281751753 (OP)
>and in every episode everything resets, as if the previous one never happened.
Maybe try watching anime at x1 speed

>>281751753 (OP)
Stories don't matter because storyline but because of the characters. Bebop had great characters

>>281751797
GETTER!!

>>281752341
Other characters more or less feel the same every episode throughbeit while her personality actively changes

>>281751753 (OP)
>An anime without a storyline is never a good one.
Ah, I didn't check if we already had a "OP flaunts the worst take he could come up with" today, but it's a Monday so we'll take all we can get. Thanks

>>281751753 (OP)
women or fag?

>>281752255
>>281752457
Spike and Jet are finished characters, they don't need to actively change every episode like some highschooler figuring out puberty. They also change enough in their own arcs. Faye was also basically a finished character like them throughout most the story but with the twist she has amnesia, so when she does get her memories back she gets a very sudden change just because that's how amnesia story arcs play out.

>>281752457
Grown people shouldn't be changing their personalities. In Faye's case it makes sense because she lost her memory.

>>281752612
traumatic or life changing events happen to grown ups under age kun

>>281752654
That typically doesn't "change their personalities" like they're middle schoolers, actual underage-kun.

>>281752711
if you left mummys basement youd know it does happen. in the case of the bebop its pushed to the extreme

>>281752738
take your meds

>>281752654
Yeah Spike has loses Julia, a life changing event, and he reacts accordingly. Or Jet realizes his career was a lie and he was betrayed by his own partner and everyone in on it, another life changing event, and he confronts it accordingly. Intrinsically an arc like Faye's that is about regaining lost memories is of course going to result in a drastic personality change, it's almost like two people being shoved together. But that is just the nature of arc and doesn't mean Jet and Spike need to become entirely different people.

>>281751753 (OP)
You'll understand when you're older and tired.

>>281752322
Most TV anime of the era looked more like GTO or worse. Sunrise was flying high in the 90s.

>>281751753 (OP)
It would've been good if Ed died instead of Spike.

>>281751753 (OP)
It's not trash, it's worse, it's a wasted opportunity. Pretty talented people just wasted time and money on nothing burger. Some jazzy vibes and references for a few old farts, I doubt anyone else got the same budget for TV show after this

>>281752433
>Bebop had great characters
No, it didn't. It has character designs but no chemistry, dynamic, etc. For me the real end of the show when they split and nobody misses or regrets, they are just strangers in the train that had to interact during the trip

>>281751753 (OP)
The only thing the story needed was a bit more explicit characterization for Vicious. You get some understanding that his personality is a fake one to ignore the past, but I don't think there is enough substance there for most of the audience. It's almost all inference from a few lines and parallels.

>>281753692
>No, it didn't. It has character designs but no chemistry, dynamic
Jet was the compass, Spike the mystery and lead character due to it, Faye the rash and Ed the pragmatic; I'd say the Bebop troupe complemented itself well enough

>>281752612
She had ptsd and mental illness

>>281752507
Worse, a /v/edditor

>>281752092
now that I'm older than jet he's my favorite character

>>281752612
all adults are actively changing their personality every day with each thought choice and experience

>>281752369
the joke is that Faye is basically a teenager who dumped into the future world and never matured, just got more and more jaded. she's acting like what she imagines a woman is supposed to be like. it's actually why she gets along so well with Ed and why she develops an infatuation with spike

>>281752612
Faye had the worst experience of all of them, she had her entire future robbed by circumstances out of her control. this is underscored when she goes back to Taiwan and meets her school friend as a grandma. Faye should have been there too waiting out her twilight with her grandchildren and she knows it. spike and jet just lose the girl, Faye lost absolutely everything

>>281754453
You cant blame Faye for being this, she wakes up after 50 years completely alone and traumatized, in life shattering debt, and the first person she trusts is a guy that completely fucks her over and further smashes her psyche

>>281753181
Watanabe had already scored a big hits with 0083 and macross plus, it's not a surprise he got an ova-level budget for a broadcast series. Abe on the other hand was a tv guy so the expectation was to produce a series on a reasonable budget that just follows the source material and it shows in GTO. if Watanabe had come up with the GTO concept in 1998 and sold it as a series it would have come out as good looking as bebop

>>281754040
jet was the dad and ein is the mom, Faye, spike, and Ed are the children

>>281754517
I don't, it's not her fault. she's doing the best she can with what she has and there's no one to help her. in a way Faye is a representation of what happens to girls when they grow up and go out in the world, still girls mentally but suddenly faced with adult situations with high stakes. same for spike, his romance with Julia is very adolescent in its absolute passion. you could drop the spike-vicious-julia love triangle into a high school setting and it would work exactly the same, and I'm pretty sure that's intentional

>>281751753 (OP)
Picrel is the only bad episode, should have been a home release bonus feature or something. It totally undermines the otherwise very carefully established sci fi setting. The immortal kid was at least a little believable assuming he dies eventually.

>>281751753 (OP)
>>281751896
>filler
shounentards keep getting filtered by episodic series

If there's one thing I hate more than retards is retards who keep making the same shitty thread over and over

>>281751753 (OP)
Back in the day, we’d call this thread bait.

The new generation of anons is really fucking stupid, isn’t it?

>>281754673
>his romance with Julia is very adolescent in its absolute passion.
Two mature adults that loved each other, had years to reflect on their choices, and chose to back up their love with dutiful devotion because that was the only option that was tolerable to them.

>>281754673
>I'm pretty sure that's intentional
It's not. You just didn't get it.

>>281754879
You don’t really understand why Spike does what he does with Julia until you’ve found someone who’d make you feel “alive” and have them just leave your life unexpectedly. Some people just leave too much of an impact to simply forget. Hell, im convinced most people dont end up with someone who makes them feel that way

If you had the chance to go back and make it right, wouldn’t you?

>>281754879
spike isn't a mature adult when he meets Julia, as denoted by his clothing. and as an adult he still acts like a teenager pretending to be an adult, hence the suit he never changes and ever-present cigarette. the fact that he's got the same VA as kaji, who is the eternal "guy who can't grow up" is also important.

>>281754978
the whole story of bebop is a bunch of misfits hung up on the past in various ways accidently becoming a family despite themselves

>>281755052
Spike and Julia weren't teenagers. They were people in their 20s, and late 20s by the end of the series. You don't see that level of consistency and selflessness in teenage romance.

>>281755062
>family
An impermanent family that collapsed under the weight of the past.

KWABkino

>>281755183
there's no date given for when spike leaves the triad, but if spike and vicious are both 27 and the show takes place in 2071 enough time had to elapse for vicious to fight in the war on titan and re-establish his position in the triad. even on a liberal timeline that means spike and vicious were 18 or 19 when the shit hit the fan between them. Julia might be older, though

>>281755336
>there's no date given for when spike leaves the triad
It was three years ago. Julia, Spike, and Vicious are all the same age. Keep your dumbass fanfic to yourself.

>>281755434
>dumbest fanfiction
just how long do you think enlistments last?

>>281751753 (OP)
Based.
This show goes to shit because of Faye, Edward, and the dog.
Useless mfs

>>281755494
that's funny, there's no dates for the titan war or spike leaving the triad

>>281755515
The Titan War was three years ago. There are dates given for when Vincent was there, and that matches the timeline for when Gren and Vicious were there. Which was revealed on Hot Shots in Jupiter Jazz. It was all three years ago.

>>281755602
ended 3 years ago. wars tend to go on for awhile. and vicious wanted to die so he'd keep re-upping for more tours

>>281755615
>and vicious wanted to die so he'd keep re-upping for more tours
More dumbass fanfic.

>>281755635
why did vicious enlist when he didn't have to?

>>281755665
Why did he set Gren up when he was there? Seems like he was up to his usual schemes and deals.

>>281755684
you didn't answer the question

>>281755692
I did.

>>281751753 (OP)
It wasn’t trying to be a great story.

>>281755697
if vicious can testify against gren it was because he was a soldier of some distinction. that requires a certain amount of bravery on the battlefield, which is out of character for a scheming manipulator. vicious was volunteering for deadly missions, and it was because he was broken up over losing his girl and best friend

Vicious possibly fucked Gren on Titan after making him dress up as/imitate Julia and the shame of that experience was probably why he ultimately betrayed him. Gren posing as a woman in Jupiter Jazz (Part 2) was intended as a callback to this moment

I don't actually ship this but it feels believable enough

>>281755730
Vicious had bravery on the battlefield, and was a scheming manipulator. The fuck are you talking about?

>>281755740
Get help.

>>281755740
maybe but gren's fucked up biology could also be the product of corporate experiments a la vincent

>>281755773
Gren didn't get the boobs until after he was sent to jail.

>>281755752
scheming manipulators don't risk their lives, that's the definition of a scheming manipulator. if he'd just been that he would've gotten himself a comfy support job and he had the connections to do it. instead he was in the trenches. plus he was respected by his fellow grunts which means he conducted himself with great bravery. if he'd been chickenshit gren would have hated him for that instead of the betrayal

>>281755062
I watched Cowboy Bebop when I was 14. It was amazing but I basically had YouTubers tell me what to think.

A decade later and it’s been hitting me a bit harder. Remember saying how Spike should just move on and enjoy the new family he has. The only excuse people gave me was “his eye is fake/he is already dead!”.


After dealing with some shit and losing people, I really couldn’t blame him. Just that emptiness after losing someone and feeling like you simply exist rather than live. Even if you have new friends, lovers, or whatever, nothing can fill that void. Those new things could also be ripped from your life again. It’s dangerous getting close. Nothing guarantees that you won’t lose people close to you again.

So I understand why he did what he did. He wanted to fill the void. He knows nothing is guaranteed and he has a chance at actually getting closure. I’d do absolutely anything to get closure for my bullshit. Even if it’s stupid from an outsider’s perspective, being alive means finding purpose in something, and purpose can be irrational.

>>281755790
given something and then needed a treatment for the subsequent condition that he couldn't get in jail. tracks for a corporate experiment that's also secret since they won't divulge the treatment. that's why gren's so bitter

>>281755799
Bullshit. Vicious was plenty comfortable taking risks when they served his purposes. He is canonically a scheming manipulator that launched a coup, risks his life during the process, and betrayed multiple people along the way.

>>281755878
risking your life for something is heroic. a scheming manipulator doesn't do that. he works out all outcomes to minimize personal risk

>>281756061
>risking your life for something is heroic.
Risking your life for the adrenaline rush, the personal satisfaction of being able to physically dominate others, and personal benefit is not heroic.

>>281754804
Lupin is a better episodic anime that Bebop rips off

>>281756198
not even a little

>>281755265
>Strongest character in the series is Ed's boomer dad who just wants to make a map

>>281751753 (OP)
Yeah, I watched only one episode, the one in your pick, and it made zero sense. The deranged guy randomly attacks MC and almost kills him, MC can't even hit him back properly. Then MC receives an invitation to fight him on his territory and he just goes without even having a proper plan of how he would fight him. Defeats him by pure chance. Cowboy Bebop is mindless trash.

>>281751753 (OP)
The only thing good about it is the soundtrack. Other than that its shit.

This post encouraged me to pick up Bebop again.
This time I think I'll like it.
Thanks OP

>>281751923
What episode are you on?

>>281758286
Filtered, honestly.
Can't enjoy something unless it's steeped in layers of irony.

>>281753977
Vicious is basically Spike if he never found any friends to set him right.

>>281756869
It wasn't by chance. Vicious wanted that rematch as much as he did and wanted to prove he was the better man. The fact that he's cocky enough to take a knife to a gun fight says it all.

>>281760478
Vicious is basically Spike if he never found Julia to set him straight. She's the one that changed Spike. Vicious was too rotten to be improved by the love of a woman.

>>281759701
I ended on Jet searching for the sun stone with the daughter of his old friend.