Thread 281755412

I like the series, but looking back on it, something bugs me.

Dude had his fingers chopped off, yet in the next scene he's just sitting calmly outside, not writhing in pain. Like losing his fingers is just a minor inconvenience

Is this a rare example of Fukumoto's bad writing?

>>281755412 (OP)
>next scene
At least some time passed between the blade going down and them sitting in the lobby, and Kaiji doesn't look good there at all. He must've screamed his head off when it wasn't shown.

>>281755412 (OP)
I had one of my fingertips ripped off in the army.
It doesn't hurt, because your nerves are instantly severed. If your nerves are severed, you can't feel pain. When it starts healing, then it hurts.

>>281755412 (OP)
>I like the series
Found your problem right there. You're retarded.

>>281755412 (OP)
Losing the money was even more painful than losing his fingers.

>>281755412 (OP)
I remember he looked more mangled in the manga

>>281755412 (OP)
A clean cut won't hurt that much and is even easy to surgically re-attach

>>281758620
>still shorter than the mahjong and one poker arcs

>>281755412 (OP)
>bad writing
do plotfags really?

>>281758620
2nd season overdid the suspense, it had literal entire episodes where nothing happened

>>281757161
And getting them re-attached lost him even more money

>>281755412 (OP)
my biggest problem is just having the fucks reattached. I don't want Kaiji to suffer but that probably cost more money that he didn't have and feels very cheap. I actually went through season 2 trying to catch any moment he NEEDED two hands with full fingers and as far as i remember he only needed it when the old man was going to the bog and asked him to hold his beer, while he was already holding his.

>>281755412 (OP)
physical pain is just that, pain
the mental torture of his loss was far worse

>>281758620
kino

>>281758799
>Akagi manages to trick the cheat machine because "muh chicken Survivor" means his heart beats exactly how he wants to

>>281761182
Get that public healthcare, son.

>>281755412 (OP)
What is the state of the manga so far? I've heard that because of Kaiji having money and no debts basically became a slice of life comedy.

I cant believe Kaiji likes MILFS, and also fucks dogs

>>281763938
>became a slice of life comedy.
A dark comedy

You know what this manga needs?
After Kaiji successfully escapes Japan with 10mil USD to go gamble in Macau he should go into some kind of underground auction where he ends up buying a magical chinese loli, hijinks ensue when she is actually the incarnation of some luck god

>>281764897
I love him

Kaiji's dad was so lucky, he married the literal 4chan tomboy

I miss Kaiji so fucking much.

>>281755412 (OP)
Is it possible to enjoy part 3 despite knowing fuck all about mahjong? I already finished 1 and 2. Seems like this where you either drop or continue Kaiji

>>281766253
Watching Saki made me absolutely hate mahjong, but reading Kaiji and Akagi was an extremely nice experience despite not knowing jackshit about the rules. You get just enough info to enjoy the situation without feeling overwhelmed.

>>281766253
Yeah, I speed read it and it was fun although I barely knew what was going on
Watched Akagi too, same situation

>>281755412 (OP)
>HE HATES IT

>>281766253
I dropped it because mahjong is fucking gay.
Your milage may vary.
It went from being one of my favorites of all time to, honestly, I don't really give a shit if the anime ever picks back up. Mahjong just sucks.
I still check in on what's happening every now and then because I care about the wider plot, but I can't stand mahjong bullshit and I don't want to learn about it.

>>281761182
I think he didn't have a choice on the matter. They wanted to accumulate as much debt as they could.

>>281755412 (OP)
Kaiji part 1 isn't that high on the FKMT writing pole

>>281766253
It's literally the best part. i read it multiple times, before and after learning the rules. Just don't get filtered by the slow start of the game, crazy shit happens around chapter 30

>>281766253
It's absolutely fine.
It's a simplified version of 'jong and they explain the rules they play by.

>>281761182
Kaiji had his fingers reattached so he could hold the old man's beer.
Deep lore.

>>281766253
I did, I didn't learn shit about mahjong and it was pretty fun.

>>281755412 (OP)
Kaiji!
Kaiji!!!
KAIJI!!!!!!

>>281755412 (OP)
>He doesn't know!
>He lacks the critical information!
>He's blissfully unaware of the danger he is in!

>>281771406

DAGA!
SHIKAAAAASHI!

>>281763938
He found friends and is now on the run
It's been ages since I've read the manga
It's it on hiatus?

>>281763938
It's really interesting because the gambles are everyday common sense society things like "get a car" or "find a place to store shit" or "find your way back retard"

>>281766253
The version of mahjong they play isn't even real mahjong. All you really need to know is the basic concept of "you build a hand out of sets/sequences of tiles, and then wait for your opponent to discard the tile that completes your hand. Certain sets are worth more than others"
then the characters will explain "discarding this tile is scary because he might be waiting for an abrakazam worth a million points, or maybe that's too flashy and he's going for a simple bibbity-bobbity-boo instead, or maybe he knows that I know he knows that would be a risky play in a normal game so he's expecting me to psyche myself out" as they go and you'll get the gist

>>281773418
This is a lie. Mahjong, even the simplified version in Kaiji, requires a minimum of three years of academic study to understand the basic ruleset and learn all 17,023 yaku, followed by at least five years of doctorate-level independent study to understand basic strategy before novice practitioners are permitted to approach a real table. You will never learn mahjong.

>>281774067
No, lets be real for a moment

Everyone who says Kaiji part 3 is simpler than Akagi because it's "simplified" mahjong is wrong in the sense that P3 goes quite indepth into the meta and possibilities given by this "simpler" ruleset. There's a lot of variables at play and reading that part with mahjong knowledge will let you appreciate stuff like Kaiji balancing offense and defense.

HOWEVER it's true that this game is a game where two sides just take turns discarding tiles and hoping to not discard the one their opponent is waiting on. No calls, no tiles stealing, and the hand building happens prior to this. In that sense it's easy to follow.

My suggestion: get a list of yaku (pic related) alongside you as you read this part. The restrictions are simple: you need 4 points (han) or more in your hand. 1 han is provided implicitly (riichi) to both players, so Kaiji and his opponent can do multiple tactics to get the 3 remaining hans: honitsu, combination of pinfu/tanyao/sanshoku, bonus tile (called "dora") which grants 1 han for each one you have...
It's not really complicated as long as you check the sheet to see what Kaiji is building. It's very straightforward, actually!

All you need is to make sure you understand a winning hand in mahjong is 4 sets (sequences of three tiles, eg 345, or same like 444) and 1 pair. You'll be waiting for the last tile to be discarded by your opponent, so there are multiple patterns of tiles you can wait on! The more, the better. For instance, if you have three sets, one pair, and the last set to be completed is currently 23, that means you can win on 1 (123) or 4 (234), which is a good situation! On the other hand, if your last set is currently 13, you can only win on 2, which is a tough situation...

>>281774067
we're talking about enjoying Kaiji's suffering as an onlooker, and not approaching a table yourself, thoughever

>>281774856
You made me realize that I liked Akagi when I didn't know mahjong, but loved it after learning how to play (I have a personal tradition where I watch the whole thing everytime I reach a new rank in MJS), but I've never re-read part 3. Gonna go through it again, I feel Expert 3 should be more than enough to properly appreciate it

>>281775440
Akagi is at this weird spot where knowing mahjong lets you pick up some of the 5D brain stuff but also some of the bullshit (usually before Washizu actually) because it's a work more focused on philosophy than meta.
You should definitely read Akagi and Ten if you haven't btw.

>>281761182
I haven't had full use of my right hand for a few months due to an injury, and I think you're probably just really underestimating how much your hands casually help each other out. There's just a shocking amount of simple, mundane stuff that's some where between exponentially harder and pretty much impossible with one hand.

>>281775592
I've read each of them once
>Akagi
Was genuinely surprised how FKMT managed to keep quality so consistent for such a long time period, I loved it but I still find it a shame we're never getting Washizu going to hell in anime form
>Ten
A bit of a rough start, but after East-West Showdown starts it gets way better, and after it ends you hit one of the most depressing arcs in manga history. Like, I already knew from threads here that Akagi dies, but I didn't expect it to hit so hard

>>281775885
Such a good arc man. No wonder the Japanese fandom hold a memorial each year

>>281775440
On the other hand, I autistically told myself that I needed to learn how to play mahjong before I read akagi, even though people would often tell me that I really didn't need to. I do think it was worth learning how to play beforehand. The best example I can think of is that I don't think you can really get how impactful the transparent tiles in Washizu mahjong are if you've never played the game yourself before. Reading through 17 Steps in Kaiji was actually my first introduction to the game, and while I could follow what exactly was happening, it was again the impact of it all that was lost on me. It wasn't until I started playing myself that I really understood how stressful playing a match where both players are in tenpai off the bat would be. I've been meaning to re-read kaiji (and catch up) now that I understand mahjong for just this reason. FKMT does do a great job of making the game (and really, all of his conflicts) understandable for every reader, but there is 100% more to be added when you have personal experiences with the struggles in his story.
I am still a bad mahjong player, though. I know enough to play some soul with the lads while crushing brews, though, and I think that's good enough for me

>>281775987
Yeah, I feel that both series compliment each other in a way I haven't seen anywhere else, Akagi builds, well, Akagi, as the legend of an ideal man. Ten reminds you that at the end of the day, the greatest man in the world is still human. I genuinely wonder what was the dynamic for all the people that read Ten before Akagi
>>281776139
Yeah, I'm no pro either, but it made me meet a bunch of people I wouldn't have met otherwise, that alone makes it worth it. I still maintain that watching without knowing how to play, learning how to play, and rewatching (or re-reading) is the best experience, picrel is real

>>281776139
>>281776421
I have enough mahjong autism to keep gunning for Houou third time will be the charm surely but the best part about it is the friends we met along the way. That's also the final message of Ten when you think about it kek

Based kaiji thread
I am a mahjong autist now because of the Minefield Mahjong arc in Kaiji. Highly recommend learning the game, it’s incredibly fun. I actually want to up the stakes at my mahjong game night at home with my friends so I’m getting a fog machine and a taser so we can play drunken shock mahjong.

>>281776869
Your cat? Nice
>shock mahjong
Kek I guess that post was more degenerate than wholesome but still nice

Also mahjong is not that difficult. I’ve gotten plenty of my normie friends and my family learning and having fun even in their first match. You’re just creating 4 melds and a pair. A meld can be a sequence of numbers like 123 or 456 or triplets like 777 or 888. Then your hand needs a winning condition called a “yaku” which there are a lot of. The difficult and confusion of the game comes in memorizing Yaku but it’s really not so bad. They’re just poker hands that are worth more points based off how rare or difficult it is to make that hand. There’s simple yaku like all simples, which is having a hand with no honor tiles (dragons winds) or terminals (1’s or 9’s) or yakuhai (having 3 of a dragon tile or your rounds wind tile), or like all triplets etc etc. so many options. It’s literally just super poker. And in Kaiji the mahjong arc is basically the two players making almost complete hands worth a lot of points and being one tile away from victory, both of them discard tiles in hopes that they don’t play the tile that the other needs to complete their super powerful hand.

>>281777085
I don't have the speed to make the hands in my head or figure out what's best to keep based on what hands are being made.
I'm amateur hour, but Akagi was so good it got me into it and I thank Kaiji for introducing me to Akagi. Now to read both mangas

>>281777265
It's actually quite easy to follow pace irl if you keep your hand well organized. Lone honors go first, then remove terminals, that's already like 60% of the job

>>281755412 (OP)
kai

>>281758620
yep, I don't know how it was in the anime, but that what it felt like reading those chapters

>>281762363
It'd be the 90s so his early onset Alzheimer's protects him from reading his reactions, assuming he hasn't already killed himself before getting the chance to try E Card of course.

>>281755412 (OP)
My brother had the tip of his finger ripped off while working and he stopped for a cheeseburger on the way to the hospital

Is Akagi still the greatest FKMT character?

>>281766253
Landmine Mahjong arc was amazing and I'm still pissed it'll never get animated. Most everything after that I felt was trash though, I read for quite a while just off of the momentum I had reading everything before it.

what the fuck happend to part 5?

>>281780064
What do you mean

>>281765021
Unironically I want Kaiji to end up in what would SEEM like a good situation to any one of us... (like the personal boytoy of some hot rich woman)
but he can no longer gamble
which is torture to him purely because he is addicted. but ultimately it's good for him to quit gambling.

>>281755412 (OP)
Agreed

>>281779896
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SGBX3xKwFo

>>281775592
I can't believe there's a magazine dedicated solely to mahjong and manga about mahjong

I put off reading Kaiji for the longest time because of part 3. But now that I read Ten despite knowing fuckall about Mahjong still, there's no reason to do that anymore.
Maybe I'll learn it one day so I can say "Ron!" like a badass sometime, too.
>>281781185
>purely because he is addicted
I actually thought Kaiji would win Part 1 and then still continue gambling for the thrill of it.
Guess he's the ultimate survivor, after all, not the ultimate gambler.

Part 3 anime when?

>>281779718
Akagi is the greatest manga character period

>>281783056

The manga is called gambling apocalypse kaiji, the anime is ultimate survivor kaiji.

>>281783629
Oh, he doesn't actually have the "ultimate survivor" epithet in the manga?
Either way, I watched the anime, so with that title the expectation would be "surviving", not necessarily "winning big".

>>281783688
>>281783629
Part 1 is Gambling Apocalypse Kaiji
2 is Gambling Heathen Kaiji
3 is Gambling Outcast Kaiji

>>281783056
yeah now that i think about it Kaiji is your "realistic" gambling addict, I was one. You dont really enjoy the game, you do it because you feel its the only way out and find stupid excuses to "make it". But irl you are not as smart as Kaiji and get fucked, the house wins everytime, remember that. I think that's why i hate other gambling mangas, fucking MC is basically that Sherlock screenshot impossible bullshit, like mate you are basically a living computer and a Chad, why are you gambling in the first place?
btw why i see this guy >>281776716
young and old all the time? is it like DBZ where the character gets old? because i remember some vampire stuff and idk if it because of that

>>281785089
>young and old all the time
there are two manga.
Ten, where old Akagi is one of the characters. It's one of FKMT's earlier works. Basically you see Akagi in his senior years.
The manga titled Akagi is the prequel to Ten, and focuses on Akagi's youth, how he got into mahjong, and obviously his match against Washizu.

>Read Nikaidou every week
>can't talk about it with anybody because the translations are almost 60 chapters behind
>finally find a Japanese friend who likes fukumoto
>they don't read Nikaidou, just complain about Kaiji's hiatus
Golfbros........

>>281785089
Not only are there two manga like >>281785361 said, but there's also a big timeskip in each of them. In Akagi, he starts at 13 and skips to when he's 19. In Ten, he's introduced as 41 and it skips to him being 53

>>281785399
I wonder how it's doing sales / popularity wise. the fact that it wasn't cancelled is a positive sign at least
although, axing FKMT takes a bit of balls I suppose

>>281785467
It's really good, honestly. I thought reading a Fukumoto series while it was still ongoing would be torture but for the most part Nikaidou's pace is a lot quicker than usual. Depending on where it goes I could definitely see it being in my top 3 Fukumoto works. The few times I've tried looking around Japanese twitter and stuff it seems like there are a good amount of Japanese people talking about it, too.

I think a lot of people are just scared off by the golf stuff the same way the mahjong scares off western people from his other stuff. I think some people in the west at least too were kind of put off by the supernatural part of it.

>>281785399
More FKMT is always good, especially if it's not about Mahjong. But even if I got over my aversion towards following ongoing manga, there's the issue of
>translations are almost 60 chapters behind

>>281785555
I love it myself, I'm just wondering how the japanese reception is like.
also nice quads.

What's the translation status on Nikaidou and Shin Kurosawa?
Did the groups jump into another site? Because no new chapter came out ever since the MD purge.

>>281785399
its sad that it only gets translated in batches
is it still going maybe i should use the power / no i cant use it every couple of chapters or is there more happening
please just say yes or no i dont want any spoilers

>>281785752
https://comick.io/comic/nikaido-hell-golf
you missed a couple nikaidou chapters

https://comick.io/comic/shin-kurosawa-saikyou-densetsu
a new shin kurosawa came out yesterday

>>281781185
>(like the personal boytoy of some hot rich woman)
That would probably the worst for him, he's always wanted independance in some manner like when he was with Mikoko and was absolutely miserable, even if he's broke he's his own man
I think probably the best outcome for him would be to get a son(not a daughter) with some rando uggo, that would settle the shit out of him

>>281758620
Why did they not show the crash? Are they leaving me full of suspense?

enough chit-chat, state your favourite yakus.
for me, it's menzen tsumo and ittsuu

>>281788438
4 kitas with open tanyao

>>281788438
Junchan, Sanshoku, dora 1.
Alternatively TOITOI

>>281755412 (OP)
it's a real example of adrenaline. His fingers were not cut off by surprise so his body prepared endorphins to subtract the pain. It's why the most painful things are the ones that are not painful enough for you the body to go into endorphin mode for like if you stub your toe. Also crying and rolling around in pain is a learned thing. Saying that sounds REALLY like im a tough guy but in hospitals you'll see people squel in pain and its very awkward and then other people in worse pain able to express their in a lot of pain but it hurts less for them. It's not a matter of being tougher but because of the way people are raised their reaction to pain is different.

It's very sad though because a lot of babies and children are imprinted in a way so that if a tiny noise or stumble occurs they cry because they have stupid guardians who reinforce this behaviour by going OOOOH OUUHH THATS BADD OHHH DONT CRY DONT CRYY.

It's also worth noting in the manga and the anime does it too shows time has elapsed in a way that Kaiji has been in shock and been treated so all that's left is the pain of his huge loss.

There's also a thing in animals and humans as well to a degree where the body doesn't feel pain and will remove instinctual limits on things. For example if your finger is stuck somewhere and the best thing to do is to cut it off because idk you're sliding down a mountain and there are wolves coming to get you and your finger is stuck in two boulders that YOU CANNOT MOVE OUT.

Its different for Kaiji because he's not the one pulling it on himself which makes it more scary. Also I recommend for people if you're getting something removed from your body or you're on a rollercoaster do not close your eyes becuase keeping them open and seeing whats going on will keep you a lot calmer.

>>281760892
But the relief was orgasmic

>>281788927
"like an endless orgasm"

>>281757161
The fact he lost because he wanted to waste a round to make it look "more legit" would be so agonising. He always had a chance to win.

>>281755412 (OP)
He took it like a champ

>>281788884
I feel that his resolve also plays a part in it. Not only did he know it was coming, he outright accepted it, remember that he straight up said "The time to act proud is during defeat".

>>281788438
TANYAO
FAST HANDS FAST ATTACKS NYAAAAAA

>>281788977
I think you're misremembering, Hyodo was the one who purposefully wasted a round, Kaiji tried to rig it so that he could just instantly win but Hyodo saw through his trick instantly so he spoiled it and Kaiji panicked instead of thinking about how Hyodo would rig it instead.

>>281789678
both occured

>>281779694
God bless America. I love my countryman. An old farmer I knew has 4 of his fingers cut off working on a tractor wrapped them in his Handkerchief drove to the hospital with his wife (he drove) and patiently waited in the emergency room for 20 minutes before his wife notified them he isn't in for his hand hurting he has 4 fucking fingers in a towel

>>281788438
>menzen tsumo
that's my favourite too, especially a riichiless one.
I love hitting people with the tsumo out of nowhere.

>>281781185
>like the personal boytoy of some hot rich woman
"The future is in our hands" is the overall message of the series. Kaiji wouldnt end with him being on a passive role unless he wills it.

>>281755412 (OP)
I’m still reading P3, but I don’t see how it would as an anime at all. It would be the biggest slideshow ever
>90% of the dialogue so far are internal thoughts
>Fukumoto reuses the same reaction faces every chapter
>lots of black background panels with large white text for emphasis

>>281789330
kaiji would make such a great character in a samurai drama

>>281792113
so?
good music and voice acting is what we want

>>281758620
DAGA SHIKAAAASHI

>>281766253
>>281767205
It takes like 30 minutes tops to learn mahjong, just download mahjong soul do the tutorial play a few games against the easy AI and you'll know more than enough to enjoy saki and any other mahjong related anime / manga.

The only hard part of mahjong is the scoring which doesn't even matter.

>>281792113
Probs about the same as Akagi

>>281790803
sometimes it just happens accidentally, when you are trying to fold but want to keep tenpai to avoid giving payments in case of exhaustive draw, that's the best feeling.

>>281792113
check out the clips they aminated for pachinko slots

Liar Game might might Kaiji 3 a possibility.

>>281785816
No, there's more going on than that.

>>281785942
>Only one chapter
Damn.
Not that I'm complaining. It's better than nothing, but still.

>>281797004
You have to savour what you get.

>>281796264
We are not in peak Madhouse era anymore so I think it's fine if we don't get a third season. I'd rather see a Kurosawa anime or something like that. Buraiden Gai the movie

>>281796264
>>281799618
Wouldn't Nikaidou be the most likely FKMT work to get an anime?

>>281761182
>but that probably cost more money that he didn't have and feels very cheap.
I think if there's any reason to get into more debt it'd be to re-attach your fingers while you still can