Thread 281767348

>Frieren is deep
No, it's not. It's your basic "appreciate the little things and your friends while you can"
>Death Note is deep
No, it's not. It's your basic "playing God is wrong"

A truly deep manga/anime makes you go beyond the basics, beyond the surface, beyond the obvious.

So my question is: has any work ever done that to you?

>>281767348 (OP)
>>>/wsr/

Lazy bait. Might work better on xitter or reddit

>>281767406
It's a discussion thread.
>>281767419
It's not bait. I really wanna know your opinion, anon.

>>281767348 (OP)
Only books can be deep anyways.

>>281767348 (OP)
I wonder what HxH basic is.

>>281767348 (OP)
I went beyond the basics, beyond the surface, beyond the obvious with your mother last night.

>>281767348 (OP)
Boku no Pico is deep

>>281767348 (OP)
What is an example of a work that you would regard as "deep"? preferably something that people have heard of.

Nice rec thread OP

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Your mom is deep.

>>281767465
I disagree. Read Sunny or MAUS.
>>281767477
A very good manga, but deep? Nah.
>>281767481
D-Dad?

>>281767546
REAL, by Takehiko Inoue.

>>281767348 (OP)
Neither Death Note nor Frieren try to be deep.
If you think those try to be deep you must be the most superficial fag on this goddamn planet.

Youjo Senki I might agree tries to be somewhat deep, with its meta critic on modern society, but the anime adaptation removed nearly all of that and slaughtered it.

>>281767616
Okay can you read the second sentence

>>281767348 (OP)
>has any work ever done that to you?
No, and I don't believe anyone that claims otherwise. People find the messages that they're looking for, whether it's in anime, movies, or tea leaves. If a work has a message you aren't already disposed to agree with you'll ignore it or dismiss it as stupid.

>>281767348 (OP)
>Frieren is deep
It's good, atmospheric, comfy and can have impactful moments, but no one said it's deep.

>>281767348 (OP)
Read poetry nigga. Everything else is lowbrow slop

>>281767348 (OP)
I don't call anything deep because I don't even know what that means. I just watch shows I enjoy and find interesting. Why don't you go direct a movie or something faggot kek

>>281767773
Stop lying. 4chan, Reddit, MAL, IMDB they say this all the time.

>>281767673
Have you never heard of one of the most acclaimed manga by one of the most famous manga artists in the world?

>>281767642
>Neither Death Note nor Frieren try to be deep.
Tell that to their fans.

>>281768005
You're making up your own scenario and choosing to get mad about it.
It's a touching show but none of its core messages are all that deep, such as cherishing the moments you have with others.

>>281767348 (OP)
What does "deep" even mean? Dense with themes and/or references? Esoteric? That's what "going beyond the basics, the surface, the obvious" presumably means, but that doesn't have much to do with messaging, which the original post seems really focused on. Assuming it really is about being dense, do these references and themes even have to add up to anything that can be considered impactful, or is pure aesthetic value enough to be "deep" if there's enough there to dig into and unravel? Is it supposed to be subjective, or is it somehow objectively quantifiable, and if yes, then how? Is it supposed to be an intentional quality, or can some works just accidentally stumble into being deep by chance or even out of ineptitude? And, like, you can go on and on with questions like this. OP, if you want a discussion thread, you have to define the term you're discussing.

>>281768362
I'm just stating facts. Go to the sites I mentioned and read the comments. Frieren is always treated as philosophically profound.
>>281768411
I see a deep work of art as the one that provokes feelings and reflections that are more intense and complex than usual. REAL and Slam Dunk are both great manga but while Slam Dunk promotes that willpower and friendship are the key to be a basketball player, REAL questions that, in other words, it goes further and takes us further too.

>>281768105
I would not call people that believe Frieren to be deep Fans.

Frieren is beautiful in its own way and it is pretty open about what it is.
The only questionable thing is the controversy regarding the demons, but I personally think the author is pretty open about it unless you just learned to read.

What's the point of DEEP media if you just become a flatly worse person after engaging with it?

>>281767348 (OP)
>Frieren is your basic "appreciate the little things and your friends while you can"
Maybe it is like that in the very beginning with it's hook, but it goes on to become the most bog-standard adventure. So it's even worse in that regard

>>281767348 (OP)
The rebuilds are the only truly deep anime

>>281767348 (OP)
>has any work ever done that to you?
As in feelings? Because you can simplify or abstract from everything if you find a connection.

>>281767348 (OP)
Frieren? You mean Freddit?

>>281767348 (OP)
You dont understand percentages my nicaraguan in nigger

>>281769210
...It's something that makes you feel? Okay, that can be literally any work. Anyone can be really touched by pretty much any work.

>>281769386
Usually the people who are concerned with how DEEP something is are just engaging with it to inflate their own ego. This is usually coupled with harshly criticizing anything that doesn't revolutionize the entire world as "shit".

>>281767348 (OP)
>>281767642
I like futanari no elf

>>281767348 (OP)
Frieren deserves to get her butthole ravaged

>>281767348 (OP)
>99% of so-called deep manga/anime aren't deep at all
i mean, OP is not wrong

>>281767593
>maus
"Le holocaust was bad" isn't deep either

>>281769210
>I see a deep work of art as the one that provokes feelings and reflections that are more intense and complex than usual.
In that case, any work of art can be deep, as long as it's experienced by the right person whom it will cause to experience such feelings (usually because it came at the right time in their lives).

>>281767348 (OP)
No anime is really deep. "deep" is just a phrase meaning "a little more sophisticated than 99% of anime" since so much of it is shlock.

>>281767348 (OP)
>OP is only able to enjoy something if it reaches deep inside him
lmao what a fucking faggot

>>281767348 (OP)
For me with Frieren it's not about the plot, it's about the production values, that why I consider it nonpareil a deep way of saying "without peer" among anime. It's a combination of excellent animation, excellent music, a story that feels vast because it has a timeframe measured in centuries though it drills down into periods measured in years because it's fundamentally about Frieren's human companions, not the eponymous immortal being.
I could only describe some novels (English fiction) that I would consider "deep" but even those are fundamentally entertainment value; I like them for the same reason I consider Frieren special, because they are vast in scope but very personal when actually reading them.
Anime is really just entertainment for me, but Frieren came the closest to eliciting that sense of awe.

>>281770906
>it's fundamentally about Frieren's human companions
It isn't though. It's about her relationship with them and the moments they have/had together. If it were actually about her companions I would drop it. Last thing I need is to follow the story of an annoying purple cunt Stark is cool but I wouldn't care much to follow his story either.

>>281771011
>It isn't though. It's about her relationship with them and the moments they have/had together.
That's... basically the same thing since Fern has known Frieren since she was really little; Stark joins when he's a young man but we also get exploration into his childhood and what shaped him.
It's about all three of them and yes, their journey together. And ancillary characters.
But maybe it's not for you. It has a meditative quality that some of this board with their neurosis recoil at.

If you want depth then pick up a fucking textbook.

>>281770906
I consider Frieren to be equivalent to the Drizzt novels in terms of writing, plot setting, and characterization. Which isn't a compliment. It's a very shallow story polished to all hell (and even then, the quality of the anime is simply better than most seasonals), which becomes quite apparent if you've read the manga. I dropped the series back in 2022. It wasn't even the best anime of its own season! However, I do agree with you that there isn't a such a thing as a "deep" anime and that anime is simply entertainment. Ironically enough, Hellsing Ultimate is one of my favorite shows.

>>281767348 (OP)
Death note was ever considered "deep"...? It's a good show in any case, you just have to stop watching it the moment L dies.

>>281767348 (OP)
OP turned 25

>>281771217
i haven't read Frieren and don't particularly want to. The anime is super high production and I've seen enough of the manga to know it's not. I consider manga pretty weak in general.
Simple put; I'm an adult, I don't have time for comic books.

The one thing I need anons to understand is that JP moral law enslavement ruins everything 9 times out of 10. Whenever an anime or manga sets up an interesting premise, question, theme, etc, it will almost ALWAYS subvert itself. Why? Moral law. Protagonists can NEVER do or even appear to do anything too edgy. Anti-heroes is as far as it can go; you’ll NEVER see a serious moral grey area or thought-provoking idea explored. To use the OP’’s image for references:
>Frieren
Standard isekai which pretends is deeper by delving a little bit into the tropes, but in the end of the day nothing fundamentally different from any other fantasy isekai. Demons (translated from “Mazoku” the standard enemy race in isekai) are like that because that’s the NPC setting, and the narrative just plays with the trope a little.
>Death Note
The narrative doesn’t even TRY to paint Light as protagonist or even as an anti-villain, he’s just a straight-up villain, the only unique thing about it is that the villain is also the main character, but in moral law the villain MUST be defeated by the good guys, and so L gains supernatural powers and does just that. It would hardly be any different if L was the MC instead, just the narrative flow would be different.

>>281772012
Stop bumping your shit thread. Nobody cares

>Stories aimed at children aren't deep
Wow!

>>281767348 (OP)
>Frieren is deep
>Death Note is deep
nobody ever said that you dumb newfaggot, this is shonenslop

>>281767348 (OP)
Gundam Wing

>>281770706
i started to feel this way with a lot of films recently. starting to get bored with films that dont have anything interesting to say and just have a few interesting shots

>>281772403
big robot fights isn't deep

>>281772442
Gundam Wing examines the nature of power and the elite, if pacifism can endure even during times of great strife, who should and should not be given command over life and death, the risks of allowing machines and artificial intelligence to take the place of soldiers on the battlefield and if terrorism can be an effective strategy to achieve political goals, just to name a few of the themes.

>>281768076
And no one on this board cares either. Which is why you chose it. Post something people have actually watched instead of avoiding the question again.

>>281771259
>Death note was ever considered "deep"...?
Are you kidding? Even the authors have said in interviews that they don't understand why so many people think the manga is deep when all they wanted to do was make a fun story for teenagers.

>>281767348 (OP)
>>Frieren is deep
>Death Note is deep
Nobody said any of these things.

>>281772531
it still hinges on a handful of teenagers piloting god-tier robots
it's not deep

>>281772572
Or maybe you should try reading more manga and watching more anime before trying to get into a discussion about it.

>>281772572
Retard

>>281772674
Sounds like you have some growing up to do

>>281772678
The only anime you've watched is death note and that fake isekai garbage judging by your pathetic thread. Post an example of a deep show people have actually watched or just stop replying.

>>281772674
Why would having an unusual or unbelievable premise mean it can't be "deep"?

>>281772012
america has 1A and it chock full of edgy shit but all our media is horseshit

>>281772723
Why are 50+ yo balding men like this

>>281772705
>it's le political so it's deep
read a book
i mean a real book not a "light novel".

>>281772798
Why are 50+ yo balding men like this

>>281772798
If you hate light novels so much and hate anime for not being "deep" then maybe go back to the literature board?

>>281772820
40 and not balding thank you

>>281772772
You're replying to a zoomer retard. Post anything at all that's deep, it doesn't have to be japanese.

>>281772798
Do you also get angry that Hyperion or Annihilation have strange and contrived settings that contain unbelievable things?

>>281772840
KEK. Childless as well I assume?

>>281772835
i like anime tho :-)
Medalist is deep since it's about the nature of man to compete against himself and others.

>generic sports series for lolicons is deep
Marge theres a nigger in my lawn

Utena

>>281772859
NTA how old are you?

Shall I post Frieren but good?

Attack on Titan?

>>281769210
>further
Really doesn't mean much. Slam Dunk ended having much more impact on my life than REAL. Some subjects work better on some people at some points of their life.

"depth" doesn't have to be pretentious shit. Pic related

>>281772756
That’s a different issue. We can do things like anti-villains, make villains win, propose serious moral grey areas, etc, but we’re also enslaved by the law of diversity and sexual politics which ruins our media and makes it unfit for consumption. Jp media is still palatable but you will NEVER get anything “deep” out of it because their overriding moral law.

>>281769210
Post some examples of this then

>>281773683
>important word in capital letters
It's funny how pretentious faggots like you always type like tumblr/reddit users as well

>>281767348 (OP)
Yeah. Either way will be boring and unprofitable. For incomprehensible, disturbing or painly evil stuff a book is good enough or a manga.
I think of the nishioka brother and sister.

>>281773722
Capitalization for emphasis you sub-animal IQ trash.

>>281773790
That's not how the English language is formerly written. It's looks retarded and effeminate and you are not intelligent.

>>281767348 (OP)
>look at all these great anime
>they aren't actually deep
Okay, so what's even the point of being deep?

>>281767348 (OP)
99% of so-called deep posters aren't deep at all.

>This OP is deep.
No, it's not. It's your basic "popular things are bad actually and I am smarter than everyone who likes them"

A truly deep poster makes you go beyond base contrarianism, beyond empty criticism, beyond the obvious.

So my question is: has any post ever done that to you?

>>281767348 (OP)
Why are you trying to dispute claims only you made? I get that you just watched your 5th animay and really want to talk about it, but find something worthy of discussion before making a thread.

>>281767348 (OP)
Yeah sure whatever. Sex with Ubel.

>>281767348 (OP)
loli elf erotic. himmel is a hero to us all. owo.
>>281770906
2fat
>>281772403
The Hero is literally (YOU). And just like me!

>>281767348 (OP)
Watch 500 more anime preferably before 2010 and then come back you newfag.
Holy fuck the post pandemic boom in anime was a disaster for this board and its quality...