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What drives a mangaka to autistically hyper-focus on a single childish story for their entire life and die young while barely enjoying fame and fortune? How do they ignore the voice in their head screaming, "Holy shit, retard! You're wasting your one shot at existence on a shallow, ugly, repetitive battle shonen!"

>>281796594
because I read it

>>281796566 (OP)
shhhhh the hero of justice is sleeping...

>woman he loves chose his vice captain's big CoC

>his son calls his rival his DADDY

>kneeling to a samurai that wears panties

>died like a loser who couldn't claim the one piece

>dresses like a homo faggot

This is someone's favorite character unironically btw.

>>281796664
You already posted this.

>>281796566 (OP)
>they wont meet again, until that day
Harald killed Rocks in God Valley btw

So, is there a chance Shank and Shamrock aren't Garling's sons?

Is she also from Wano?

>>281796676
Doubt otherwise Elbaf would've already joined the World Government. He was most probably at God's Valley, though.

>>281796689
I say yes

>>281796689
Is Zolo from Wano?

This guy was a loving husband and father who stayed faithful to his family. Why should I hate him again?

>>281796696
If Harald was at God's Valley and saw the human tournament and demons, why would he keep trying to get Elbaf WG membership?

>>281796732
Garling was out there spreading his superior seed while the Gorosei are rotting away on top of the Red Line

>>281796733
flew too close to the sun

>>281796733
Literally did nothing wrong

Damn rayleigh is one cold blooded mofo lmao

>>281796754
>rotting away
The one thing the Gorosei won't do.

>>281796642
My liege...!!

>>281796752
It's when he probably and finally figured out that the World Governement had no good future for his people. Thus he started to heavily pacify Elbaf down.

>>281796733
>Oda spends 5 chapters portraying Rocks as a charismatic gigachad
>WhY Am I SuPoSeD To hAtE HiM?
You're not.

>>281796594
Its his life work and he wants to leave it the best he can

>>281796732

At least he's not a deadbeat.

He didn't know the woman was pregnant.

He raised Shamrock. He took Shanks in when he was in Mary Geoise.

>>281796733
Because he wanted to replace Imu.

Did Izo know Moria was a Kozuki at Marineford?

>>281796733
>Why should I hate him again?
Do you?

>>281796733
He really needs to do some heinous shit at God Valley to explain Roger not teaming up with him to massacre CD scum

I hope S-Gecko fights like young prime Kozuki Moria.

I'm watching 3-4 episodes of One Piece per day and enjoying it. Currently at Jaya.

>>281796566 (OP)
Another shit chapter.

>>281796733
He's a hero, only world gov lapdogs think otherwise

I didnt notice the porcupine part but it is quite apt for xebec. Bb alwqys had something boar like about him too

It's weird that Garling didn't take Shanks' mother to Mary Geoise?

The genius scientist vegapunk...

>>281796906
Very nice, enjoy the cruise.

>>281796895
Roger and Rocks seem to tolerate each other too, they bicker like two brothers in this chapter.

>god tier showdown between harald and rocks
>neither put their heart into it
Yawn

>>281796902
So the OG shichibukai were
>Buccaneer
>Kuja
>Wano
>Celestial Dragon
>Fishman
When is Crocodile and Mihawks secret heritage gonna be learned?

>>281796943
Touch it? That's it?! Nah.

>>281796835
That’s fucking stupid. It obviously sucks.

>>281796940
She refused to leave so Garling orchestrated the human hunt at God Valley to leave her no choice

Why are 80% of anime/manga dads absent from their children? The fuck is this? Is it because salaryman dont have time for their kids?

>>281796943
BRAAAAAPPPPPPPPPP

>the pirate of justice
Moria has been the only shichibukai without any epitaph for over 700 chapters and he finally got one.

>>281796940
Because she can be a commoner.

>>281796958
Mihawk is a demonic entity like Imu and Zunisha
Crocodile doesn't have special heritage but he used to work with revolutionaries until Dragon stabbed him in the back

>>281796991
Men like their mothers more than their fathers.

>loki opens up to Ida
I guess this means she's Mosa. Unless she dies.

>>281796991
Parents are a hindrance for adventure

>>281796991
Because 'found family' is manga's bread and butter.

>>281797021
If Ida was Mosa she wouldn't have any reservations about Loki being scary or shouting all the time
She's known him since he was a baby, she knows how he is

>>281796732
A true conquistador (even if he's supposed to be Irish.)

Oda is a hack.

>>281796958
Crocodile is a Kuja.

omfg

>>281797049
Stylish and fabulous.
>>281796732
Gay and lame.

>>281796989
Why doesn't he take her against her will? All Celestial Dragons do that.

>>281797101
Nah.

>>281796566 (OP)
Rayleigh and Shakky are literally just Zolo and Whoreyori

>>281797096
GODA

Oda's writing is getting so tiresome. What incident? God Valley?

>>281797154
What do you think?

She deserves a break after the trip

>>281797154
Who even cares at this point?

Moria's hatred for Kaido driving him insane makes even more sense now. I love One Piece.

>>281797096
holy fucking foreskinning im no longer circumcized!

>>281797187
Why are you samefagging?

>>281796566 (OP)
>>281797154
>that man
>that thing
>that incident
>that...
It's a really cheap way to create suspense and intrigue.

>>281797096
Based.

>>281796732
Jesus Christ i still can't look at these colors

>>281797197
You should forward your complaints to his email.

>>281796733
He hits children

Loki opening up to Ida?
She's 100% dying. Or Mosa, but idk if Loki would call her a friend

Who even cares about point? Just get to the one piece.

Ida will get Reversi'd and kill Harald

Doffy OWNED this.

>>281796861
Too fat like fake Luffy

>>281796733
Funny, back when during Egghead I said in these threads that Rocks is definitely not as evil as shown and Oda is 100% redeeming or at least making him better and not just a villain, everyone here clowned on me and said I'm a delusional faggot

>>281797280
Tits not fat enough.

>>281796943
Manliness bodytype

>>281797277
>>281797187
I don't care.

>>281797197
I was annoyed as shit about this during Egghead. Kuma's flashback was leading up to God Valley and then they just went back to him. And then we sat there and read Vegapunk's message for six months, watching the Gorosei scramble like chickens trying to stop it, only for it to glitch out at the most important part of it to the viewers (D-clan lore)

>>281796642
His dream
>>281785324

>>281797332
your thread is shit buddy

>>281797324
If you thought that Vegapunk would spoil the literal ending of the manga, you were a dumbass. Besides he told us the most important part upfront which was Imu's plan of drowning the planet once again.

Why didn't they just talk it out?

THAT MAN
THAT PLACE
THAT TREASURE
THAT INCIDENT
THAT HAKI?
THAT WOMEN

>>281797406
Men talk with their fists.

>>281797406
Rocks visited again and again to talk it out. They just have completely divorced priorities.

>>281796689
How will Moria react when he finds out Mihawk groomed her?

>>281797406
There was nothing to talk, in the end both went up in flames due to their beliefs

Oda's death will be the one piece all along!

>>281797418
Those two talk with their Swords...

>>281796770
Oda the living skeleton dropping hints on the next arc of One Piece at a ComicCon Q&A in the year 3055

Friendship was the one piece all along...

>>281796733
>got into a happy marriage and stopped caring about other women
>proud and virtuous Davy Jonesian
>plans to overthrow the WG to liberate the world from Imu’s tyranny
>would’ve freed the slaves in God Valley had Roger and Garp not intervened
I get it now, Loki. The great Rocks D. Xebec is a HERO.

>>281797578
Loki, stick to the story please.

>>281797586
Tama's POV btw

post vivi

>>281796861
This nigga did nothing for 20 years what does it matter

Mihawk? Confirmed not related to Rayleigh and Shakky.

>>281797586
That's Robin...

>>281797603
oh, did I mention he killed an Admiral while the lapdog was on lobster fetching duty? it’s true, look it up!

>>281797625
Wait, is this chapter the final nail in the coffin to that stupid ass theory?

>>281797618
Vivi doing chores is pure SEX!

>>281797586
Whats that weird black ball between her legs?

Say my name

lol

wtf is rayleigh's problem

>>281797648
Yes. It's now impossible for anyone older than 37 to be their child

wha would oda have to do to make the ending bad as snk ending

>>281797663
I need her

>Dragon Ball got "Z" for one of its tineskips
>Naruto got "Shippuden" for its main timeskip
What would've been One Piece's anime subtitle for the timeskip?

>>281796732
wonder why he wanted to wait for the tournament, possibly to lure out the rocks and roger pirates and slaughter them alongside god valley

>>281797680
Good.
>>281797678
Shakky is too old.

>>281797672
Jinpaichi Mishima looking ass motherfucker.

Rayleigh and Shakky didn't have any kids. I think we are just meant to think of Hancock like their child.

>>281797294
I said that too. Nothing Oda makes him do will makes Rocks seem as bad as the CDs

imu will be a obito tier simp waifu fag or basicaly a eren yeagar tier psycho incel or both

>>281796594
Dunno but Oda is a multi-millionaire and takes week long vacations almost every other week.

Monkey-chan, can you check if Rayleigh-san is still fucking that barely-legal hooker on our bed? I got his favorite drink and aphrodisiacs ready.

>>281797696
I don't think that was the orignal plan. Their hunger games probably work like the olympics, the CD host them every X or so years

>>281797695
New World

I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out Hancock is actually not related to her sisters at all and it's a situation like Luffy, Ace, Sabo.

>>281797742
Shakky doesn’t have kids, but Rayleigh does, if you know what I mean.

>>281797696
The Genodice Hunt was their excuse for exterminating every native on God's Valley, the Shakky plan probably came up later: we are one year away from it happening too.
>>281797778
They are, I think it was confirmed to be once every three or four years?

>>281797676
why the fuck do zoomers and gen alpha have to take any series trying to be its own world and lore and throw in their tik tok nigger slang culture into it? Its like they cannot imagine a world before tik tok nigger slang

>The Great One
Imu also goes by The Brahma Bull

>>281797847
Consequence of One Piece becoming the normalfag anime and manga since 2020.

>>281797676
LMAO

>>281797682
The One Piece is a swimsuit, Luffy dies and doesn't become Pirate King, and the readers have to wait for the next reincarnation of Joy Boy in the sequel Two Piece.

So if Harald was at God's Valley, does that mean he probably saw some shit that made him change the warrior way for Giants? It seemed like both Rocks and the World Government wanted them to stay violent.

>>281797682
The One Piece being
>the friends we made along the way
even if Oda said in the past it would be an actual, material treasure.

Silvers "Older than twelve? I say farewell" Rayleigh

Are we finally going to find out what happened at God Valley next chapter?

>>281797218
I like that fan rendition of Garling having the red hair, it looked really nice, Blonde Garling is really shitty.

Are we gonna talk about how Shanks got god valley sake?

Did Shanks steal Garling's alcohol supplies when he left Mary Geoise

>>281798013
Why?

>>281797682
It'll be bad no matter what he does. It's the curse of a series running too long.

>>281798005
No not yet, at least chapter needs to be dedicated to Shakky being kidnapped and Rocks and Roger finding out. 2 chapters away until it starts, that's if We're getting God Valley at all this chapter

>>281796642
>Retainers of the Kouzuki Family have this crest tattooed in their bodies in order to allow recognition. The crest can also be found in locations affiliated with the family.
Could it be his necklace?

>>281797280

At least Garling isn't a rapist.

Is Doffy impotent? Why doesn't he have children?

>1 year long flashback describing the events of everything the fanbase asked for
I sleep.
>panel of a mural with random doodles
REAL SHIT

>>281798042
Not really. The One Piece just has to be tangible, and Luffy has to find it. That's all Oda has to do when all's said and done.

>>281798021
Probably bait but it's alcohol from West Blue. Not sure the timeline of when Shanks lived there though, if he ever did.

>>281797682
The Great War was started over a woman

I kinda wish Dorry and Brogy were more involved in this flashback. They're the OG Giants and appearantly good friends with Harald. Yeah they're on Little Garden but Harald could easily have visited them there from time to time in his travels, maybe Rocks too.

>>281798202
Yes because imu get brutaly cucked

>>281798070
He won't need children if he lives forever, also his family kept trying to kill him

>>281796594
I think he's probably content making one of the most world famous and beloved series of all time in any medium.

>>281796566 (OP)
>Roger is skipping line just to simp over Shakky
>A Shakky that's full-on love sickness over Rayleigh
Jesus Christ how pathetic can he get.

>>281798070
Viola is actually pregnant right now

>>281798281
He didn't know, retard.

>>281798225
>Seemingly avoids her like the plague
>Ends up with her by the end
What made him give up I wonder. Roger's death?

>>281797847
30yr old here

millenial done the same shit with its cringe I CAN HAZ CHEEZEBURGER speak

fuck outta here

>>281797667
thats kikus kiku

>>281798099
>here's some treasure, weapons, and lore dump!
It's just too generic for something that has been going on for nearly 30 years.

Shamrock is a halfbreed Celestial Dragon

>>281798021
>From my home town
The retcon is so damn obvious lol, idk if Oda will even bother himself with asspulling some place Shanks somehow considers his hometown even though he's pretty much on the ship his whole life

>>281798384
Generic can work. Too many stories fumble by going beyond their scope and not remembering their roots. All Oda has to do is remember that treasure, weapons, and lore can work just fine. The world of One Piece is more than just the One Piece.

So Shanks' mom is the "massive discovery" Garling made right? Because she's related to something something Void Century something something JOYBOY or whatever.

Shanks was the child of destiny so it fits.

>>281798225
>you’re home early, Rayleigh-san. I’ll get the drinks, just don’t start anything with the young lady until I get the chair ready.

>>281797453
>She was only 17 years and 96 months you sick fuck

>>281797678
He's gay, obviously.

>>281798482
God's Valley was in the West Blue.

>Literally all of Harald's friends, loved ones, and closed associates tell him he's being a fucking retard
>He keeps sucking WG cock anyway
What's his problem?

Leakers were saying that it's confirmed that the God Valley was not over Shakky and it's not a simp war, but nothing like this was confirmed, right? So far the only info we have is that Rocks won't be participating for her, but she's still most likely the stolen treasure and Roger is still in love with her

>>281798532
>17 years and 96 months
lol

https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/281482661/#281484698
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>>281798542
There is absolutely no way Shanks ever lived there and considers that his home though

>>281798549
I think that everyone BUT Rocks considers Shakky to be the Treasure of Hachinosu, while Rocks himself considers whatever Garling found in God Valley to be the real treasure.

>>281798549
Yes, it's just retarded leakers being fucking retards again. The chapter simply explains what was the angle for the World Governement choosing God's Valley.
>>281798584
Anon, he literally lived with his mother and Shamrock for one year.

Rouge really was an afterthought that Roger took just for her name and produce a special child to soothe his ego, just to later get thrown out with no protection and die a horrible death?

>>281798584

Maybe Roger said he's from West Blue.

Maybe West Blue generally has nasty sake.

>>281796566 (OP)
>Great One, I found what you've ben looking for, a woman who looks just like Lily

>>281798584
but that's where he was born you pedantic retard it's still his hometown. the actual retcon is that whitebeard should have known that shanks was a foundling raised on roger's ship and him mentioning his birthplace should have picked his interest

>Shanks is a one-night stand baby

Vegapunk should invent condoms and contraceptives instead of dangerous weapons

>>281798021
he could have visited a another island from the west blue that had this now discontinued and rare god valley sake, its not too difficult to retcon

>>281798549
depends, rocks might still consider shakky the treasure of his island even if he's not in love with her anymore

I just know that this is Luffy hearing baby Shanks being mentioned.

>>281798621
The majority of men in One Piece are genuinely awful human beings, fathers, grandfathers and husbands alike
Considering the writing of Amazonians, not sure if Oda sees this as fucked or just thinks that this is funny

I still think Bonney will join the crew!

>>281798615
*he literally lived there
>>281798649
To be fair, Newgate is the last guy on Earth who gives a fuck about family connections. Much like with Teach, he probably already knew who was his daddy.

How does Loki know about the parts with Garling and Shanks' mom?

>>281798723
Gabban is filling it in

Ordering the Dressrosa special
(double pazuri from Rebecca and Viola)

I still think Vivi will join the crew!
I still think Conis will join the crew!
I still think Camie will join the crew!
I still think Monet will join the crew!
I still think Rebecca will join the crew!
I still think Carrot will join the crew!
I still think Yamato will join the crew!
I still think Bonney will join the crew!

>>281797847
Lel live a little old man.

>>281798723
He doesn't, the narrator took over Loki's flashback to guide through ANOTHER flashback concerning Harald, Rocks, Shakky, Roger, etc.

>>281798742
Bro I'm trying to discuss lore why do you have to post Rebecca and turn me into a brainless gooner

I think Celestial Dragons can be turned into good people if commoners interact with them.

Look, Otohime changed Mjosgard. He freed his slaves after their encounter.

Perhaps Shanks changed Shamrock a little. Maybe they're working together.

Shamrock has never denied that Shanks is his brother, and he doesn't seem to hate him.

Maybe Garling loved the woman and became bitter and evil when she was killed by Rocks

>>281797453
Shotgun wedding!

I'm curious. If Luffy learns something shocking about Shanks, will Oda allow him to react accordingly? Or will it be another thing that Luffy shruggs off?

>>281797406
talk is for fags

>>281798801
>became evil
>became
he's directly responsible for hosting the human hinting tournament in god valley

Harald and Rocks are gonna have a Calgara/Noland ending of sorts

>>281796566 (OP)
So Shanks really was born in West Blue.
Was his mom a commoner or just a weird CD who decided to live in the lower world? Why the fuck would Garling aknowledge a son he got from a commoner?

>>281797406
> Rocks kept forcing his friendship on Harald
> Harald was dedicated to his role as a king and his country
> People surprised their relationship went to shit

This was doomed to fail. Rocks was too much of a chaotic renegade with an absurd plan and Harald wanted to keep his country safe. He couldn’t risk teaming up with Rocks.

>>281798934
Nah, Harald is too dumb and does not value Rocks' friendship. It was never meant to be.

>>281798940
The pussy game was ridiculous

>>281798940
Either Garling really fell in love with a commoner (which would be ironic) or his wife was just like Doffy's mother and wanted a more peaceful live down below.

>Garling was undercover in God Valley

Why does Oda turn the Holy Knights into CP9 agents?

>>281798703
Considering that Oda is genuinely convinced that not spying on women in showers is an insult to them and unhealthy for men, I'd say he considers that to be a norm. Hell, we have Usopp looking up to his dad. No child or wife is ever angry at their abandonment and rejection (unless it's comically abusive) except Ace, and you can tell the writing wants you to feel he's wrong for that. Oda's treatment of women genuinely btfos Kishimoto, but people are not ready to talk about that. He doesn't talk about about gender relationships much, but given that he thinks that independent Kuja women should be "punished" for "belonging yo no one" with forever getting biologically wired and destroyed by men who don't even care about them, that says a lot. And that's not to mention how token females of every category are always the weakest and lose all their fights.
What's funny is that he only became that way somewhere down the line, his female character writing and overall views of women were much better in the beginning of the series. I still remember that one interview where was talking about how much he hates damsels in distress and incapable female characters, this shit is hilarious in retrospect

Toko was adopted by Yasuie because of her resemblance to Perona, who is his biological daughter, and Toko is just an identical stranger.

Watch "that incident" be the day Harald dies. Rocks puts his bitch ass down

>>281798621
Yes, and?

>>281799026
Anon, isn't Rocks long gone by then?

No one would think anything was wrong with Harald's actions without the out of universe knowledge the World Government literally answers to the devil.

>>281798934
>>281798968
Harald ripping off his horns most likely was for Rocks.

>>281798761
Bonney still can join though

>>281799026
Harald lives another 24 years after Rocks death anon kun

>>281799010
>Oda is genuinely convinced that not spying on women in showers is an insult to them and unhealthy for men
HOLY FUCKING BASED

>>281799053
In character Harald is just doing what he thinks is the best desu

>>281799045

God Valley has a better finance minister than Nusjuro and has calculated how expensive the heavenly tribute is

>>281796566 (OP)
could have sworn last spoilers said roger caused shakky love sickness

Imu must have cursed Amazon lily with love sickness..

The fact that the empress can only fall once, when she gets the sickness, no matter if the guy in questiom treats her poorly, like Roger treats Gloriosa or Ray treats Shakky, they have to "love" him if they want to live.

>>281799026
Fucking retard

Rayleigh married Shakky after Roger died so she could finance his life of alcohol and gambling.

>>281799052
>>281799077
>>281799202
The story is that Rocks was defeated at God Valley. Not that he died. Sengoku doesn't know shit

>>281796594
>enjoying fame and fortune?
I like how people say this as if you can just inject money into your bloodstream or snort it to be happy. Maybe he's still hyper-fixated on One Piece because he enjoys it?
You know what I do with my money? Put it away and play video games.

>>281799053
There are still a lot of signs that the WG in general are evil, but I agree that people calling Harald dumb has been overblown.

>>281798968
He still let Rocks hang out with his family, I would think he really does see him as a friend

>>281798494
No. If she was the discovery, then it doesn't make sense why Garling wouldn't take her with him to the holy land.

Shanks' mother will look like Lily with red hair...

>>281799045
>oi, renounce your sovereignty and pay sixty bajillion berries per year to your Celestial Dragon overlords, or we WILL genocide you and take your land.

>>281799394
No, that will be Imu.

Harald was just being a tsundere about it but he considered Rocks a friend. Despite all the times he called him a villain and told him to fuck off he always welcomed Rocks to Elbaf and drank with him. He even introduced him to Ida.
Harald, even now, not wanting to go all out, shows that he did value Rocks in his own way. He just thought being king was more important than friendship

>>281799188
This might work if the theory about Lili being from there is true. Releasing them from the curse is also how Boa can survive because, unless you are a delusional headcanonist, Luffy is never liking her back or pity fucking her without it being severely OOC

>>281799394
So... just like every other clone of a female character template that is not a comically deformed one

>>281797847
you seem sad if one picture causes a reaction like this from you, you should go outside more

>>281799455
>Being a king is when I kneel and obey the CD overlords

>>281799455
Harald is still a piece of shit and a faggot regardless

>>281799585
If he obeyed the Gorosei, Rocks would be dead.
>>281799595
Calm down, Rocks.

>>281799585
I'm not saying he's right anon I'm just telling you what his priorities are

>>281797847
Dumbass frog poster

What happened to Ida anyways. Is she dead currently?

>Hiyori
Used goods
>Hancock
Used goods
>Pudding
Pure virgin

How did Sanji win so hard?

>>281799727
We don't knooooowww

>>281799727
She's a kind mother in One Piece, and that's a big no no with Oda.

GIWTWM

>>281799772
>Pure virgin
Not for long now that the BBP have their hands on her.

>>281796594
What are you talking about? Oda is infamous for holding sex parties for most of his career.

fuck me that hot

>I've been hyped for Elbaf for more then a decade
>they finally arrive
>I hate this arc
I guess its true, never meet your heroes.

I think Rocks will kill this Gorosei.

Jupeter was the Supreme Commander of the Holy Knights at the time and became Gorosei.

Imu didn't promote Garling because of his failure in God Valley.

>>281799824
It's true, he lets the anime VAs run a train inside his house.

>>281799860
This was me with Wano

This is SHIRYU of the PAIN. Say something nice about him.

>>281798099
Problem is:
>oh yay, trillions in gold
>who can actually convert this gold into cash?
>what the actual fuck could they ever spend it all on
>it would just be Mansa Musa on steroids

>it was the friends along the way IS tangible

"The one piece" being the destruction of the red line seems more lore/plot, than the 'treasure'.

>>281799925
Nodiffed by Garp after backstabbing him.

>>281799925
I like his A3 theme.
https://youtu.be/A5JFGrysqm8?si=odqMY0aEaNCyk7q8

>>281798045
"there's something important there" sounds like we'll get blue balled again until garling has his fight.

Isn't it weird how we're almost at the end and we still don't know how haki works

>Don't get to see BB mom
Sad I wanted to see if oda used that scrapped design or not. I guess there's a chance we'll see her in the eventual BB flashback.

>>281796566 (OP)
A whole heap of nothing again bro you can stop read one piece for a entire year and come back and all ur gonna get is bread crumbs most mangas are like this shit pacing like are we dead ass dragging our feet with this story, like ok oda as ur doing back stories might as well reveal more shi like stop hiding inu wasting time hiding her, wasting time hiding what the will of d means, wasting time keeping zoro eyes closed, wasting time on everything really

>>281799971
How the fuck did I never notice him being a referene to Bison

>>281796940
Read between the lines, they're probably the product of rape.

>>281800008
Nah.

I think Garling found out that the woman he fucked had children.

He wants to take the children away, but the woman was against it. Garling has a pure CD wife in Mary Geoise, who is infertile, and Garling needs a heir and spare.

Garling made Shanks's mom a prey in the hunting games.

When Rocks suddenly attacked God Valley, Shanks's mom fled to take the children and try to escape

>>281800014
Bison/Dictator himself is based off General Washazaki from Riki-Oh.

>>281800015
Nah. I don't think Oda will make Shanks a rape baby

>>281799985
I assume it will be explained like a lot of other mysteries in the void century possible even creation of the world flashback.

>>281799202
>>281799052
>>281799077
Rocks is very clearly is not dead. If there is a single takeaway from this flashback it's that he's far too stubborn to just fade away.

Rate the following out of 5:

>Oden flashback
>Kuma flashback
>Rocks Flashback

Feel free to state your reasons, if you feel like it.

>>281800070
I mean he could have killed her/taken the children without doing a genocide game to justify it. So I think he found out as he was preparing the game and decided to include her in it for fun.

>>281800099
For real? Read it years ago and don't remember a single thing of it.

>>281800174
>Oden flashback
2/5.
>Kuma flashback
3/5.
>Rocks Flashback
4/5.

>>281799971
>>281800014
>Shiryu is a bison reference
based ngl, just got a new fav

>>281800174
>Rocks
Been cool to learn new stuff.
>Kuma
Misery porn has gotten pretty stale.
>Oden
Everybody hates Oden.

>>281799407
It seems common knowledge too, I'd have thought that the blues would have been conquered centuries ago and it was just GL with some nations not under-wraps.

It's just weird, I used to think it was just locals at Sabody who knew about the slavery, but it turns out as per Robins cover story, WG was still going around enslaving mass numbers to build the bridges and we don't hear a peep of it from locals, you'd think that when we first hear of tribute, the notion of 'pay up or worse than pirates will attack and we won't help' would come up.

>>281800187
Celestial Dragons love entertainment and games.

They probably have a colosseum in Mary Geoise and let their slaves fight each other..

>>281800197
Aye. Right page is from the SF2 concept art book where Vega/Dictator is literally called Washizaki.

>>281800174
>>281800235
>5/5
>4/5
>0/5
Respectively. Damn it...

>>281800174
>>Oden flashback
3/5
>>Kuma flashback
4/5
>>Rocks Flashback
3/5 could go much higher depending on how God valley plays out since most of the flashback has been set up for it.

>>281800259
>Here's how you look if you're Asian.

>>281799045
They could be aware that their resources are precious.

>>281800259
That's really cool, kinda makes me wanna reread Riki-Oh.

>>281800174
>Oden flashback
1/5, over the top and cringey, too long, makes Oden look like a retard
>Kuma flashback
2.5/5, definition of mid. Flashback is tragic for tragedies sake and the emotional impact doesn't really land, plus making Kuma a cuck was unnecessary.
>Rocks Flashback
4/5 so far for me, the lost point is due to all the over the top shakky wank

>>281799053
>WG keeps denying me, an ancient giant with potential ancient knowledge from joining
>he knows they are slavers
>he knows they are expansionist

Granted his new leaf aspect is recent, I wonder why he doesn't know or bring up old lore, VC was kinda only 10~ generations ago for them. And their lore master(s) could have all lived 300~ years each making it a mere 5 generations.

>>281800258
Well when everything is given to you and you don't have to work for anything it's hard to be entertained easily.

>>281800103
He already made Bonney one i dont think he would be above doing it for Shank it would really ruin his character. Nothing about Garling characterization says that man could love anyone especially not some lower class woman.

>>281796594
>What drives a mangaka to autistically hyper-focus on a single childish story for their entire life
He's world famous, a national treasure of his country, a near untouchable god for the company he works for and will be remembered for atleast a few centuries like all the greats from literature.
>and die young
He's 50, so he isn't exactly young, but also there isn't a sign of him having bad health, at worst we know he had bad eyesight and he threw some pennies to get that fixed.

>>281799985
>>281800119
Ancient wish magic was suppressed somehow (worlds laws got rewritten, why we're not seeing new fruits get created, just copied) and became 'anti wish magic', it's why it's effective against DFs.

>>281796733
roger and garp are going to need a real good excuse for killing this guy

the HK lifestyle seems comfy

>>281800612
I would've thought that he would have had a massive meltdown once its revealed Harald betrayed him as some "tee hee haha he's gay for him" joke but not really. But since they revealed he's a happy father that kinda muddies it.

>>281796733
>>281796895
>>281800612
Roger and Rocks dont even seem to hate each other, unlike Luffy and Teach, they seem to be more like rivals with no real hate for each other

>>281800654
It's all a work. Rocks and Roger were actually good pals when they were off the clock.

>>281799772
Daddy found him a woman

>the 'bad' satellites are all women (Violence, Greed, Evil),
>the 'good' satellites are men (Wisdom, Good, Thinking)
What did Vegapunk mean by this?

>>281797406
> People complain when Oden ditches his country and goes on gay adventures with the Roger Pirates, his country then it's raped for 20 years
> People complain when Harald cares for his country and stays to try to improve his standing with other countries, he fails but his country remains a heaven on Earth for 20 years
I don't know man... I think Harald did everything right.

>>281800716
The good satellites don't even look human aside from Daft Punk.

What are the chances that this woman is Joyboy's wife and Shanks is Joyboy's child?

>>281800762
Did we ever get to see Shaka's face?

>>281800776
Anon no disrespect to you but that is the dumbest fucking theory I've ever heard

>>281800785
No, he may not even have one.

>>281796566 (OP)
>Loki began to open up to Ida
Ida is alive and she's Mosa

>>281800789
>Child of destiny
>Joyboy's silhouette looks like Shanks
>Toki

>>281800776
What ere th chances that Joyboy is the friends we made along the way?

>>281796566 (OP)
Shamrock's existence will never not be an instance of Oda going full retard. He made "le evil twin" real

>>281800831
who even cares anymore
Everyone knows that oda became incapable of writing stories post timeskip

>>281800810
Good theory since I don't believe her fate has been mentioned yet.

>>281800716
Violence was based though.
And just as Vegapunk wanked HARD, his evil is relative as a neutralfag.

>>281800831
I know it gets memed a lot but how many times stories actually have a secret evil twin in them? I do however think shanks being the son of a top dog in the WG interesting and adds depth to him. Shamrock on the other hand feels like Oda wanted to add another big villain who he wants the audience to care about without putting in the effort.

>>281801032
Shamrock is only a thing because Oda wanted to have his cake and eat it too by having Shanks be evil without actually being evil

carrot will eat kaido's fruit and become a fucked up rabbit dragon

>>281801064
Nobody wanted Shanks evil.

>>281801032
Black Butler
JJK
Can't think of anything of the top of my head right now.

>>281801083
KEKAROO okay

>>281801096
Yeah, okay.

>>281801032
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilTwin

>>281801032
>secret evil twin
Isn't that a soap opera thing?

>>281801083
Oda did but he also wanted Shanks to remain on the side of good which is why Shamrock was born

Defending "it was an evil twin" is actually crazy

>>281801122
No, he didn't. That's your headcanon.

>>281801134
You're coping

Is Kaido actually the strongest creature?

>>281801032
>Shamrock on the other hand feels like Oda wanted to add another big villain who he wants the audience to care about without putting in the effort.
To be fair, I think Shamrock would have been very popular, even if he didn't have the connection with Shanks. With how goofy One Piece is, it's nice to have a straightforward, capable character to play off some of the more eccentric personalities and the HKs (minus Shamrock) have definitely been eccentric so far.

>>281796594
kool ragebait hahaha

>>281801155
I accept your concession, drone

>>281801142
No.

>>281801151
>I think Shamrock would have been very popular, even if he didn't have the connection with Shanks
He'd be just as popular as the other God Knights, his connection with Shanks is the only reason why he's as popular as he is

>>281801168
I accept your headcanon, retard.

>>281801064
I suppose but thankfully at least knowing oda he won't write about Luffy having a internal conflict about fighting shamrock due to his resemblance to shanks. Although I could see shamrock trying to trick Luffy or someone else that's he's actually shanks.

>>281801183
Shitrot lost btw

>>281798330
Rayleigh only accepted with an open relationship, so it's not like she closed the deal.

>>281801142
Of course.

>>281801180
Delusional, you don't know how fujoshi think.

>>281801240
Seethe fujowhale

>>281801175
>>281801210
Which one is it?

>>281801247
Stop projecting, faggot.

>>281801258
>>281801199

>>281801256
No creature or human so far managed to knock out Luffy in Gear 5 like Hybrid Kaido did with his attack before the last clash.

>>281800612
>defeat

Roger and Rocks are probably competing for lost knowledge at this time. Rocks is likely further along, maybe what ever is on GV is enough to have Roger run as fast as possible to snag it, how they got the timing right, fuck who knows, what ever message ginny sent was bait enough, somehow.

Garps just a dog here, nipping at their heels. I'm expecting Imu/Gorosei involvement to cause a larger clusterfuck, or reversi crap happens.

>>281801240
>fujoshi
Wouldn't his main appeal be his connection to Shanks? Sounds like prime fujo material.

>>281801289
It is, you're replying to a fujowhale in denial

>>281801256
Kaido lost.
Losers can't be 'the strongest' anything.

>>281801289
There's lot of art of just Shamrock with self-insert girls of female artists.
>>281801313
Retarded faggot, shut the fuck up and listen.

>>281796594
Irrefutable

>They won't meet again
Wonder what the actual phrasing of this line is. Surely it might be important if it uses the same line as the ancient mural, right?

>>281801327
Holy whale seethe

>>281801319
I don't know, people still call Mihawk that.

>>281801339
Retard.

Well done, Haralad, now bend over so we can insert your World Government membership in your rectum. Remember, next month you have to pay the heavenly tribute, either in gold or in "volunters".

>>281800914
HOLY FUUARK LUNARIAN WOMEN LOOK LIKE THIS?

>>281801352
You're so mad

>>281801330
The line is actually referring to Joyboy and Elbaf, the god of war, who always came to blows in every world
Now Luffy and Loki will break the cycle and join arms

>>281797280
kleine fetttittige Mistsau

>>281801327
I guess the "beautiful evil aristocrat" angle would be very appealing to many girls.

The last 3 chapters been kinda ass after the kino before hand

Can Celestials reproduce with each other at all?

>>281801355
yes

>>281801477
After many generations I'm sure the inbreeding has gotten pretty bad that malformations and infertility is rampant. Also they aren't going pass fucking a hot commoner if the chance arises.

>>281801533
>>281801355
Lunarian women are total BAAAAABES!!

>>281796566 (OP)
JUSTICE RIDES ALONE IN THE DARK

How did the Roger Pirates know Shanks' name?
Wasn’t it hinted that they found him in a crate?

>>281801552
Has implications on bloodline stuff too.

They're not pureblooded if they so frequently/exclusively mate with commoners.
Probably occasionally get haffus and mutants, which they consider less-thans.

>>281801560
I'm glad vegapunk is saving Lunarians from extinction.

what do we think he wants to do?

>>281801570
Could be that a piece of paper with the name Shanks was also in that crate.

>>281801568
Any race as pathetic as the Lunarians deserve to get driven from their home. How the fuck are you nearly invincible and you lose to a bunch of humies?

>>281801636
Astronomical shit writing

>>281801648
Cope.

>>281801648
Grvke

>>281801547
Loki x Shirahoshi confirmed?

>9yr old Kuma
>Half Buccaneer
>Tanked a bunch of shots in God Valley

>Kumas father a grown ass man
>Full Buccaneer
>Got permaheemed by a single gun shot

Make this shit make sense

>>281801636
>Yes, very good, Lunarians. You are almost invincible. HOWEVER!

>>281801687
Kuma's father lost the will to live

>>281801636
>How the fuck are you nearly invincible and you lose to a bunch of humies?
That's all races except for humans in OP btw.
>>281801734
They were too strong to win...

Is there someone more pathetic than Harald?

>>281801687
He got hit in the brain m8

>>281801687
Will to live.

Kuma's father was overdosing in COPE when he got shot.
Kuma's was thinking "What would Nika do? Tank it, of course".

>>281801636
The WG has a weapon that can blow up a island out of existence so it doesn't seem that implausible.

A vision came to me in a dream that in an upcoming chapter we will get the revelation that Imu is female by having a double page spread that is just a big zoom in on Imu's Imus.

>>281801636
>How the fuck are you nearly invincible and you lose to a bunch of humies?
My theory is that they did sneak attacks while they were sleeping or they just nuked their entire country and water killed them.

>>281801758
Kaido

>>281801687
They used execution bullets on his dad
They're the Jack the Drought of Bullets

So what's the point of the cover story?

>>281801758
I feel it's obvious Haralds gonna redeem himself by the end of this flashback since the WG doesn't seem particularly fond of him.

>>281801886
Lore.

Our HEROES

>>281801886
Nice soft tits.

>>281801687
Oda has been weirdly consistent on gunshots and bullets being lethal to even the strongest people in One Piece. I like it, it's a dose of reality among all the fantasy

>>281801758
>CARING FOR YOUR OWN PEOPLE AND COUNTRY? AIN'T NO WAY BLUD YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT TO TO THE FAGGOT NIGGA WHO JUST WANTS TO USE YOU FOR HIS OWN WORLD DOMINATION PLAN

>>281801890
Well, Elbaf is not part of the WG, so something happened before Harald's death, so he backtracked on the membership process. I like the theory that he ripped out his horns in shame when he realized the nature of the World Government.

>>281798316
brrt, I bet he was trying to get shakky on the ship cause of how she and Raleigh interacted. Watch, it will be either shown in the manga or we will get that information dropped in an SBS 3-4 volumes from now.

>>281801927
>YEAH JUST JOIN THE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY WON THE WORLD DOMINATION RACE, THEY SEEM LIKE GOOD GUYS WITH ALL THEIR SLAVERY

>>281801985
Rocks had slaves too unless you think they all popped up when Teach conquered Hachinoshu.

>>281801886
To throw Yamatofags a bone.

>>281801927
Elbaf, in any shape or form, needed the World Government. It was just for a vanity wish from a king ashamed of his culture.

>>281802005
>headcanon

>>281802053
Nope.

>>281802005
Nothing Rocks have done that we know of can compare to what the WG and by extension CDs have been doing and are still doing.

>>281802063
Show me the page with Rocks dealing with slaves, not Blackbeard.

>>281801927
No one said he needs to follow rocks plans but joining the WG is a dumb idea too especially when you know how evil they are. No doubt the WG would exploit the giants in order to use them for the Marines and other projects. Staying neutral on things would have been the most peaceful approach. The only issue is a pirate taking over but that seems unlikely with someone like Harald/Loki or even rocks to deal with them.

>>281802075
You need to stop with this cope already, the faggot wanted to replace Imu for a reason.
>>281802080
Right, I forgot that Rocks actually don't care about the well-being of enslaved people as we saw on God's Valley.

>>281802075
I like Rocks but he just wanted to take over Imu's position as ruler of the world. Maybe he'd be a bit more benevolent but he isn't a good guy.

>>281802104
>You need to stop with this cope already, the faggot wanted to replace Imu for a reason.
What cope? Literally nothing we know of Rocks paints him as a worse dude than Imu

>>281802104
>Right, I forgot that Rocks actually don't care about the well-being of enslaved people, as we saw on God's Valley.
more headcanons of something never shown or addressed

>>281802123
Reread his introduction to Imu.
>>281802124
Keep coping.

>>281802106
That's true but I doubt rocks could hold the WG together like imu.

Rocks has good vibes, that means he's a good guy. You think Roger would be amiable at the bar with Rocks if he was pirate Hitler?

>>281802134
>i have no arguments, and I need to respond

>>281802160
I have plenty, you've none.

>>281802134
>Reread his introduction to Imu.
You mean the 5 kings that he took hostage and then subsequently just abandoned because they were useless? Vilest of evils really. Now let's see what a Celestial Dragon does 15 minutes after they wake up.

>>281802173
>please god, i need to respond with something

>>281802075
I wouldn't say Oda's been depicting him as a good guy.

>>281802186
You're thinking out loud.

>>281802089
>No doubt the WG would exploit the giants in order to use them for the Marines and other projects
Harald literally wished more Giants would join the Marines though, to protect more innocent people from pirates.

>>281802190
The argument is not that he's good but he's """""better"""" than whatever the fuck is the current world government. Harald not joining Rocks is whatever, but him joining WG was retarded.

>>281802216
Sure, Mister "arguments"

>>281802240
You admit it at last.

>>281802233
>giants that were trafficked by Mother Caramel to the Marines.
The only thing that shows there is that Harald was a fool

>>281802239
NTA and I kinda agree, but Rocks literally wanted to become the King of the World. A man with that kind of ambitions likely would not rule the world in a good way either.

But yeah Harald wanting to join the WG that much is retarded.

>>281802190
That's true but there's a difference between showing these events and telling them to us. Oda shows Rocks not doing anything that heinous outside of attacking Loki who becomes his biggest fan. While he tell us through the narrator about all the bad crimes he's committed. So there's a disconnect which leads to him coming off as actually not such a villainous man because we aren't shown it.

>>281797774
>implying ray-san give a single fuck about age of consent

>>281802277
Not a single Giant has been trafficked by Mother Carmel, only human and fishmen orphans. They wouldn't dare to traffic Elbaf Giants most likely.

>>281802239
He hasn't had nearly as much time to wreak havoc either. The WG as a whole is not the problem, you can see this when Dragon (was it Dragon?) declare that the real enemy is not the kings or marines but the CDs.

>He didn't take Elbaf's legendary devil fruit by force, even after Harald ended their friendship.
>Respected Shaky, despite her being alone in his territory.
If anything, Oda has pictured Rocks as someone who respected other people's agency despite clashing with his wishes.

>>281801687
They used Plot Bullets.

I wonder what Garling found in a place called “God Valley”

>>281802313
Makes sense, things like this have the same effect, especially when the WG or its associates are the most common villains in the story.

>>281802233
I'm sure he thinks that will be good until his people are forced into becoming Marines.

What a gay fag

>>281802089
It's not about being peaceful or not, you absolute retard. It's about bringing change and Harald was a revolutionist at heart: he thought that Elbaf joining the Government was a good thing for everyone involved as smaller nations could have been using the Giants army for themselves. Of course he didn't fucking know that the Gorosei were fucking Satan on Earth and once he found out about it, he immediately pulled out of the deal.
>>281802313
There's literally no disconnect unless you are a literal ape that needs to be shown Rocks shooting a small dog or something in order to prove that he was not a good person.

Rocks wants to replace Imu, that's literally enough for a reason for anybody who understands One Piece that it's not the wish of somebody who wants to do good to the world

>>281802401
That logo on whitebeards shirt is the impel down logo no? It used to be a D

>>281802416
He just likes little girls

>>281802190
>NOOOOOOOOOOO HE SANK 76 SHIPS FULL OF GOVERNMENT DICKSUCKERS
ENTER https://youtu.be/VUl60IJ2ynU

>>281802401
???

D….
>kills a man in a wheelchair

Rocks is such an evil man! He killed defenders of a slaving, pedophilic world order and robbed fake charities that were scamming entire nations! Such a horrible man!

Harald just wants to make good decisions for his people. He's dumb because he's a warrior trying to act as a pacifist diplomat, he doesn't understand all the complexities. He probably agreed to kill Rocks because it's something he can understand.

>>281802277
>giants
One, it was just John.

>>281802401
Yeah that really is the central political conflict because unlike real life a few strong dudes can over power a nation. So your nation either needs to have a relatively good strong dude (ie Luffy and shanks) protect it or become a part of the WG.

>>281802496
Nice.

>>281802530
Sandro is cowriting One Piece

>>281802535
He literally did not agree to it, are you retarded?

>>281802537
Where does it say she stopped with Johns?

>>281802599
Caramel fucking died right after that conversation.

Perona is an orphan wanonise and Moria took her in, and her closet living relative is Otoko.

>>281802565
Maybe, I didn't actually read the in depth spoilers. He still agreed initially, to attempt it.

I really like this page, Pudding actually looks like Lin Lin here

WCI was the last time I felt that the manga was genuinely good with well made pages, now it feels like Oda is phoning it in

>>281801886
Yamakino

>>281802648
Spoilers outright says that he didn't obviously want to fight Rocks and let alone kill him.

>>281802608
She died after leaving Elbaf, John was an old success, she was pointing out. It only says he was the first recruit.

Rocks:
>Created a Mecca for Pirates where they can live freely without being harassed by the government, attracting pirates from all over the world to live there, even his enemies
>Let Shakky establish her bar on Hachinoso and respected her rule about not starting fights there. Never even tried to rape her, unlike Roger, who wanted to make her his sex slave
>Respected Harald as his friend, didn't want to force him to do anything, couldn't find the will to fight him all out after getting betrayed, and still tried to talk him down after everything
>Respects the autonomy of his crewmates so much he doesn't even care about their constant in fighting
Honestly he seems a lot like Luffy. I wouldn't be surprised if he believed in the same "freedom where nobody binds anyone" that Luffy does

>>281802530
Rocks is an anti-semite who must be imprisoned in impel down!

>>281802688
Every giant should be a success, it would be weird for her to point out only John and not the rest of the Giants squad as part of her scheme.

Imu is still boring

>>281796566 (OP)
History really does repeat. kek

>>281802501
John Giant joined of his own free will, do you fucking think Harald would casually mention John Giant being from Elbaf if he was trafficked??

>>281802712
John was a significant success considering the historic context of his enlistment. She worked at Ebalf for 36 years. Do you think John was the only orphan giant she passed to the Marines?

>>281801886
hype moria

But who was Locks wive?

blackbeard was born braindead and retarded. rocks transplanted himself into his body in true davey jonesian fashion by becoming a haki ghost and flying up vegetable child bb's asshole to survive

>>281802822
We didn't even see a single giant brat in Caramel's circle when Linlin was with her.

>>281802815
Harald saw a government ship capturing slaves, and he thought they were just a few bad apples, not a sanctioned operation by the government. The dude is blind to what happens around him; you can even see that with his relationship with Loki.

>>281797324
>>281797370
>>281797370
I still have nightmares from the Vegapunk speech.
>breaks every single fucking week
>Vegapunk delaying what he was saying with pointless blabber
And yes, faggot, I thought he was going to tell us something actually important.

>>281802876
He did, retard.

>>281802875
>Harald saw a government ship capturing slaves
Nice headcanon.

>>281802862
Because BMs generation didn't have one besides her? Again, 36 years, do you think they were the only set of kids she planned to sell?

>>281802420
Well he knew about the government keeping slaves and there other shading dealings so he knew they went good at all. Assisting the Marines is just empowering the government further and preventing any successful possible revolution from occuring. You have to remember the Marines aren't helping the nations most in need because they aren't able to pay the royal tribute and that can be changed without a revolution. So Harald is just further preventing these nations from ever getting help by increasing the governments military might.
Secondly if you don't show events and just tell us things then there's little impact and writers should know this. Yes I know he wants to be king of the world but what exactly does that entail and what would it look like? Imu rules the world in very particular way and I doubt rocks could replicate that. Would a rocks led WG even be able to survive?

>>281802313
>>281802190
The problem is that One Piece has always shown every other villains taking pride in how much of a scumbag they are and being bastards on-panel instead of having the narrator list their criminal record.
You can infer that Rocks isn't a saint but the fact that all is misdeeds are happening off-panel and he seems like a personable enough guy when he's around it causes the reader doesn't know whether he should just take other characters words for granted and assume he's the monster he's always been described as or if there's a reason why he's never shown hurting innocents (Loki doesn't count, if a giant angry baby that looks like the spawn of satan was charging at me I'd defend myself too).

>>281802901
Yeah, because they were capturing the population of the island for "interrogation".

>>281802902
I think selling a Giant to the marines is incredibly difficult and that it's totally believable that John Giant was the only one that she managed to.

>>281802919
Yeah, maybe? It's still not a good thing because it's an abuse of power.

>>281802922
There are quite a few giant marines, many from Elbaf. There is no reason for Carmel to put her operation there and have a good relationship with the giants if she only planned to sell one.

>>281802958
We don't know when they joined.

Wait, Moria is from Wano?!

>>281802986
yeah, all onis came from wano.

>>281802951
Maybe? It's a non-WG kingdom; they are free to be attacked by slavers and sanctioned by the government.

>>281803002
This is getting weird

>>281802986
Born in West Blue, raised in Wano. Either he's half-Wanoese or adopted.

>>281802986
Born in West Blue, raised in Ringo.

>>281803028
not weird at all.

>>281803024
Yeah whatever dude, believe what you want so that you can justify your shitposting against Harald. I don't give a fuck anymore since the thread is about to be achieved too, cya.

>>281803075
dont cry

>>281797586
>>281798355
Genuinely came to this btw

new thread has been created
lets move opbros.

Both fools who thought better of the government and both were killed by it.

>>281803230
Vegapunk is even worse because he said that right after Ohara.

>>281802496
>tfw no Kiku gf

>>281803477
What do you mean? They are talking about dissidents within the government and the marines, and Saul and even Dragon are there as an example, dumbass.

>>281803778
NTA but Ohara is proof that the top brass is corrupt and uncaring and both Saul and Dragon had already defected because the "reasonable people" in the marines didn't amount to diddly squat.

>>281804024
Their point is that such organizations are necessary, which is not wrong.
You cannot dismantle the marines when taking down the government, and the government will need a regime change. Vegapunk was reminding Dragon that he should not let his rage take over since he would destroy everything otherwise.

>>281804140
I love necessary evils, you get all the evil and more excuses!

>>281804202
The marines are a "necessary evil", but letting pirates rape and pillage unopposed is not.
Gotcha.

>>281804361
> What are the kingdom's armies

>>281804402
Most islands are not able to field armies, dumbass retard. This has been a theme throughout the story, unaffiliated islands are shitholes that pirates rape and pillage constantly. Most of the new world has to be protected by the Yonko.

>>281804484
The islands that can't pay celestial tribute don't get protection from the marines. And the one who does, they would do better without paying a crippling tax, or sending their best to the Marines to protect a Celestial Dragon's ass instead of their own land.