Thread 281807490

Which series had the highest peak?

>>281807490 (OP)
One Piece hasn't reached its peak yet

>>281807490 (OP)
Well only one of them is good, so Naruto.

>>281807490 (OP)
Well only one of them is good, so Bleach.

>>281807490 (OP)
One piece, probably, sky islands are 30000 feet high.

>>281807490 (OP)
Well only one of them is good, so Fairy Tail.

>>281807490 (OP)
DBZ

Everyone remembers "Help me Luffy.." and The Walk to Arlong Park but no one wants to talk about the actual fight with the fish men

>>281807490 (OP)
I'll say Naruto purely on the fact that he's the best of the 3 protagonists. Strawberry has no personality and Luffy is just a collection of gag traits blundering his way through life.

>>281808164
naruto has no personality other than being an annoying faggot

Is there a peak Bleach moment that's not fighting related?
Cause Naruto and OP have that going for them.

>>281807490 (OP)
Given how shit bleach ended and how downhill one piece is going, it’s crazy naruto will end up being the best of the three.

>>281807490 (OP)
One Piece, easily honestly. Oda has his problems, but he has a gift for emotional payoff. Even something like Bon Clay staying in Impel Down sweeps Naruto and Bleach.

Naruto on every level. Especially since a lot of it's best moments require not only a significant amount of media literacy but also the ability read meaning into abstracted imagery. I don't think Oda even knows what a metaphor is or how to convey it through perspective or art in general. Best he can do are thinly veiled references to Nazis and Jews.

>>281809207
trvtharoo

>>281807490 (OP)
Pain Arc > Marineford >> Getsuga Ichigo.

>>281807490 (OP)
Jiraiya's Death - Konoha Assault - Itachi's Death was probably the best and heaviest hitting streak of chapters shounen manga ever had. I think genre overall has peaked there.

>>281807579
>sky islands are 30000 feet high.
That's a rookie number compared to Bleach's royal palace. Even Enel's moon is nowhere nearly as far as Royal Palace

>>281809207
I love the same inauthentic bit being repeated ad nauseum to endless seal claps.

Bleachbois will often gloat about Tite Kubo's fasion sense, but the Akatsuki drip is basically unsurpassed in shounen manga.

>>281807490 (OP)
Definitely Naruto

>>281809463
>Marineford as the peak of One Piece
The peak of One Piece is Jaya.

>>281807490 (OP)
Definitely not narushit lmao

>>281807490 (OP)
Between Naruto and One Piece

>>281809356
Naruto is the manga that stole half of its plot from HxH, and that was the most talented part of Naruto. Otherwise, Kishimoto is incapable of writing even if his life depended on it. His editor-in-chief, who is the main reason for Naruto's success, since he rejected all of Kishi's stupid ideas like turning characters into furries, has long since answered the question regarding the comparison with One Piece

>>281807507
This is cope. One piece peaked around 20 years and 1000 chapters ago.

>>281807490 (OP)
Naruto.

Bleach was a fucking mess and One Piece never built up to anything properly

>>281807490 (OP)
too long

Definitely not Bleach. That manga went downhill in the public consciousness after Soul Society. Naruto's peak is the Chunin exam that Kishi stole from HxH. Only One Piece remains. Oda is the only one of the big three who understands that emotional moments require a buildup. That's why everyone remembers "I want to live" and "Luffy help me". Oda is the only one of the three who is able to write a character in a couple of chapters and make the viewer empathize with him, and make his death iconic. Naruto needed hundreds of chapters to repeat this with Jiraiya

>>281811835
>One Piece never built up to anything properly
One Piece is the only manga of the big three that uses a buildup. Kishimoto doesn't know the word and just makes up the story as he goes along. Kaguya is a prime example.

>>281807490 (OP)
Boku no Pico

>Itachi in Shippuden
>I love my brother so much that I'm ready to slaughter my entire family, clan and become an outcast terrorist so that he can live in peace.
>Itachi in the original Naruto
>Bro how about watching me kill your parents 520,000 times.
>The same technique that drives even the strongest and most experienced Shinobi fucking crazy
>People call Itachi the peak dramatic character

>>281811898
Cool story.

>>281807490 (OP)
Bleach obviously.

Until One Piece actually ends, I will give it to Naruto.
Nothing in Bleach hits me quite as hard as the death of Jiraiya and Itachi.

>>281807490 (OP)
FG naruto was peak, and it was nice until pain arc
Soul society bleach was peak, and it was nice until aizen arc
One piece I didn't watch

>>281807490 (OP)
naruto is the weakest of the 3

>>281807490 (OP)
SS arc from Bleach will always be the peak from me, though it has to be noted the whole story takes a nosedive right after it ends.
OP does have more emotional moments(even though after several arcs you start to notice they're all written pretty much according to the same pattern), and I guess early Naruto had its moments too(with the emphasis on early). But SS is like pure shonenshit, where all the main cast actually gets their 5 minutes to shine. We get like 20 new well-designed characters, a neat intrigue in the background while everyone else slashes each other with swords, and gradual powerups that don't feel like a complete asspull, which lets the conclusion be satisfying. Does it make you cry? No. But that's not the main thing that shonens are for.

>>281807490 (OP)
Naruto with Pain. From Jiraiya's death to depression to training to comeback to 8 tails to Minato, everything is flawless. Could be its own anime

>>281812854
this is the dumbest "mastermind" character i have ever fucking seen
you cloroxfags are retarded

>>281812854
this is the coolest "mastermind" character i have ever fucking seen
you BleachGODS are savants

>>281807490 (OP)
Ganguro/Gyaru high school

>>281812051
Speaking of Kishimoto brother, how his manga going

>>281812205
One Piece is definitely a cool story

>>281813198
>Kishimoto brother
All I heard is that Kishimoto stole a bunch of ideas from him as well as from Togashi. But I've never read it. It seems to me that people praise his brother's manga solely out of hate for Kishimoto himself.

>>281812051
Itachi is probably the worst handled character in any popular shounen. Every other appearance his backstory gets retconned a bit more, and it makes less and less sense each time.
Kishimoto is lucky his characters are so cool, because they would be completely worthless otherwise.

>>281811881
>Naruto's peak is the Chunin exam that Kishi stole from HxH
Actually think about that, the two exams are very different in basically every way except them both being exams. And let’s be real the Hunter Exam is such a shitty arc it’s the singular reason why people drop HxH so early.

>>281813533
Jiraiya is no better in this regard. Kishimoto made him Naruto's godfather for drama, but then you realize that Jiraiya never visited Naruto even once, knowing that he was literally an fucking orphan outcast in his village. The Third Hokage is in the same shitty boat, how Kishi wanted to make him a more nuanced char in Shippuden, but turned him into a fucking retard.

>>281807490 (OP)
Naruto and Bleach are bad and not held in high regards these days. They're dead IP's
>>281811820
Nah you are a fucking retard. We still have things like Shanks fighting/being important in the story, Blackbeard vs Luffy, a Strawhat member dying, Void Century flashback, and the One Piece being found. All those things will be way bigger than any moment in Enies Lobby and Marineford. You're fucking delusional.

>>281813733
lol
lmao

>>281813733
>seething pisstard
kek

>>281808367
The Heart, obviously.

>>281813765
>>281813795
You're an embarrassment and cringe.

>>281807877
Because one piece fights aren’t interesting.

Funny that you mention arlong park. They don’t make fights like that anymore.
>Sanji vs Kurobi entirely
>Arlong taking Zoro’s bandages off
>Luffy’s finisher

>>281807490 (OP)
>One Piece
ugly and repetitive
>Narto
retarded annoying MC
>Bleach
clearly the best

>>281813810
>twitter

>>281813575
>very different
One of the participants who fails the exam every year is involved in collecting information on other participants (Kabuto/Tonpa)

There is a stage in the exam where, in a forest area, over the course of several days, participants must take a certain object from each other.

One of the members of a criminal organization involved in the extermination of the clan of one of the main character's friends infiltrates the exam. (Hisoka/Orochimaru)

The exam also includes a stage with tournament rules and 1 on 1 fights.

The protagonist's best friend fails the exam due to mental trauma related to his brother and then leaves the team, which is why the protagonist has to organize a mission to bring him back.

>>281813830
>They don’t make fights like that anymore
Katakuri vs Luffy and Luffy vs Kaido were the best fights in the manga.

>>281807490 (OP)
Reminder that Tite Kubo treated his editors poorly and didn't listen to them while Kishimoto and Oda heavily relied on them to progress their stories.

>>281813854
>clearly the best
That's why this manga was axed and the anime didn't continue for 10+ years after the ratings were rock bottom in last arc of original anime. And now even the disastrous Boruto brings Pierrot more profit than TYBW

>>281813972
Beach is a dead IP. Pierrot is so desperate for even animating TYBW.

>>281813915
slugfests with zero tactics can’t be the best sorry

>>281813972
well the WSJ editors are subhumans, so based Kubo

>>281814019
No that's horrible. Spending 10 pages on one fucking slow paced talk heavy Mayuri fight explains everything. Kubo has a serious issue with create a million characters and giving all of them a battle.

>>281814002
>with zero tactics
Shit a bunch of words and thoughts of characters where they describe the obvious is not tactics.

>>281814071
I don't care
I would rather one man's flawed vision than something where the #1 priority is giving NPCs their weekly dopamine spike

>>281814133
Kubo's flawed vision is the very definition of a NPC plot.

Bleach and Naruto are cringe bad in 2025.

>>281814019
>so based Kubo
No wonder Bleach is dead. Kubo is a terrible writer, just like Kishimoto, but at least Kishi had the sense to listen to more experienced writers.

>>281807490 (OP)
What's the general consensus of their peaks?
>Naruto: Chuunin exam
>Bleach: Soul Society
>One Piece; Water 7
Just a guess

>>281814019
You realize neither One piece or Naruto would've gotten popular if they have editorial input. Naruto would've flopped like Samurai 8. That being Kishimoto's dream story is exactly why it failed.

>>281814133
>NPCs their weekly dopamine spike
You say it like Bleach isn't literally the most primitive battle shonen that relies on hype and fast dopamine. Bleachfags seem to unironically believe that they are reading deep and complex literature, and not manga for teenagers.

>>281814183
>>One Piece; Water 7
More like Alabasta because that was before it became the same damn arc over and over again

>>281814216
One of the worst things I have ever heard a Bleachfag say was that the fights were well thought out and an example of good swordplay

>>281807490 (OP)
Isn't Bleach peak Ulquiorra vs Ichigo? That wasn't that great
>>281811881
Jiraiya Is an annoying cuck only beloved by Narut* dweebs, i was happy when i found out he died. Even His design fucking sucks

>>281814198
Kishimoto is a shitty writer and deserves to fail, what's the problem?

>>281814183
>>281814229
Total and literal cock sucker. All the arcs in One Piece are still important and play into one another. Fucking Elbaph and Egghead now play into events that were set up during East Blue and Water Seven. Fuck I want pretime skip fags to suffer and rot.

>>281814229
>it became the same damn arc over
No. Just because Oda uses certain tropes doesn't make the arcs literally the same. Marineford or Water 7 are literally different from Arabasta. Bleach also did arcs in a row where the main character's friend was kidnapped by an organization and Ichigo had to invade their world and defeat them all in turn to get her back. Naruto literally used the same structure for all of its antagonists. They are sad emo nihilistic characters who suffered as children due to war. Not to mention Kishi's love for the same trope with puppeteers.

>>281814257
I wouldn't call jobbing to Ulquiorra a fight.
Peak Bleach would have to be Ichigo vs Kenpachi or vs Byakuya. It's all downhill from there.

>>281814362
it's almost like those are the worst aspects of all three series
>>281814359
cooooooooooooooooooooooooope

>an entire thread of just fanboys arguing

Skip

>>281807490 (OP)
Not bleach, but depends on what you mean by peak.

>>281814374
That fight is only popular because of Ichigo's powerup. Without that, no one would be talking about that fight. My favorite has to be Ichigo vs Grimmjow, to me it's a good paced rivalry with some nice fight choreography.

>>281814415
>wild slash
>wild slash
>wild slash
>big slash
>stab

>>281807490 (OP)
I tried watching Naruto but Naruto's design and personality is so damn annoying.

>>281811820
In terms of quality it peaked pre timeskip but not popularity
>>281809089
Naruto went downhill too but OP's finale might be crazier than naruto
>>281814183
Marineford or enies lobby but i prefer sabaody and impel down for naruto it's probably the pain arc

>>281814465
All 3 main characters in Naruto are badly written, cringe and insufferable. A normal person realizes this once they hit 16 years old.

>>281814216
This lol

>>281814415
>That fight is only popular because of Ichigo's powerup
If you're talking about the Bankai fight, yes. Plus that fight is pretty much a copy of Lee vs Gaara, lmao.
If you're talking about Kenpachi fight, absolutely not. The reason it's popular is because of the mf Kenpachi. He has a proper buildup as that OP intimidating figure, and when he does show up he doesn't disappoint either.
Grimmjow fight is definitely better than Ulquiorra, but the only memorable part of it is the very end desu. The whole arc is ok at best when compared to SS.

>>281814526
>Naruto went downhill too but OP's finale might be crazier than naruto
Elbaph is getting a lot of praise right now. God Valley reveal is going to be bigger than anything in Sabaody and Impel Down. Oda has set his final saga up way better than what Bleach and Naruto did.

>>281807490 (OP)
Bleach is best

>>281814529
Even as a little kid I never found those annoying cringe characters appealing.
>hated billy, hated ed, hated patrick, hated ron, hated cosmo...etc.
I could never get into Naruto for that reason.

>>281814558
Well for the Kenpachi fight my favorite part has to be the OMZ scene. Nothing else made much scene lol.

>>281814576
holy fucking fanboyfaggot

>>281814558
>If you're talking about the Bankai fight, yes.
That's literally the only popular portion of the fight. Again without that last part it would've never made it to the top of people's list.

>>281813984
>That's why this manga was axed
the anime was axed. because Pierrot was retarded and fought Kubo for years trying to turn Bleach into Dragonball. everything bad about Bleach can be traced back to studio meddling. Kubo is unironically best writer among the big 3.
> And now even the disastrous Boruto brings Pierrot more profit
not anime. Boruto brings in money because it's silenced to south east asia as a saturday morning cartoon.

>>281814810
What the fuck are you on about? At least provide a source.

>>281807490 (OP)
>Which series had the highest peak?
I grew up being a huge One piece fan. the mythmaking and world building of OP is insane but the problem is that, after 20 years, it ends up feeling watered down. Enies Lobby is still peak for me.

>>281807490 (OP)
I say this without a shred of a doubt, Bleach's Soul Society arc going into the early Arrancar arc is the hypest thing I've ever read in my life. Sure, I was much younger then, but even re-reading it I can still feel the palpable hype crawling over me once again.

I can't take anything in One Piece seriously because of the art and character designs. And Naruto, well, Naruto had its moments in part 1, but it's no peak Bleach.

>>281814943
>At least provide a source.
>boruto is success
>boruto has been off the air for two years
>manga sales are still down despite time skip
?

>>281814675
You're fucking retarded and low IQ. Don't reply to me. You have nothing to criticize or say.

>>281807490 (OP)
Marineford > Pain arc until Nagato fell to Naruto's weakass TnJ > Uhhh does Bleach even have a peak

>>281814982
On the other hand. Naruto has insane kino moments.

>>281807490 (OP)
bleach >>> the rest

>>281815006
>the anime was axed. because Pierrot was retarded and fought Kubo for years trying to turn Bleach into Dragonball
I'm talking about this retard-kun. Where's a source for this otherwise you're making shit up.

>>281815014
>Marineford
until Oda has zero talent at creating drama and ends up ruining everything with the most forced and retarded death for Ace.

>>281807507
Oda fumbled Wano despite having 2 yonkos as the main antagonists, you're in for a rude awakening if you think he won't fumble the final war.

>>281815027
Bleach went to utter shit after Soul.Society. Got cancelled too.

>>281815028
oh you are young. seethe then. i have zero intention to spoon feed you.

>>281807490 (OP)
Bleach >>> the rest
it's the father of modern shonen for a reason, here's your answer. The highest peaks inspire the most people

>>281815079
Stop spamming spic. Your shit got cancelled because it was bad.

One Piece is the only one still standing. So there's your answer.

>>281815009
coping seething and dilating

>>281815017
certified 99.97% pure kino extract

>>281815068
>no source
So you made it up? Pathetic.

>>281807490 (OP)
One of them spawned a terrible BBC ntr meme and desecrated the characters through the sequel timeskip. And of course the unjustified and unapologetic bashing of Sasuke and his failures makes Naruto the worst mass media phenomenon in Japanese fiction.

One Piece is basically Japan's pride and symbol as a story next to the japanese flag and sake. Tied with maybe Pokémon, Dragonball, and Hello Kitty.

Bleach is good to look at.

2 out of 1 lesser evils.

>>281807490 (OP)
Water 7/ennies Lobby, then Soul society, then Zabuza

>>281815127
>samefagging.
all that said Bleach probably has the highest highs. Kubo is an absolute expect at building momentum. moments like Ichiho V Aizen will forever be unmatched.

>>281815325
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>281815325
and because Kubo is the only one who can write beyond the next weeks chapter, he literally retroactively makes past chapters even more kino.

>>281815325
>>281815359
Orihimeschizo, you don't even like the OG Bleach. You shit on it constantly in the the actual Bleach threads and then come here and pretend you like it.

>>281813894
They’re different cus of the tone, compare Tonpa to Kabuto. People watch HxH and think Tonpa is a filler character just cus of how much of a useless time sink he is and the side cast actually has character arcs. Even Togashi got tired of the Hunter Exams it seems like his editor forced him into the arc and in revenge he made it as boring as possible before cutting it short

>>281815249
\thread

>>281810318
>unsurpassed
Akatsuki had unmatched drip among most anime. ngl
but Bleach us just on another level.

>>281814810
>unironically best writer
He couldn't even write the main character's team decently. Chad, Orihime, and Uryu are unironically one of the worst supporting casts in a shounen I've ever seen. Even Sasuke and Sakura are better. Kubo is a good artist, he has a good sense of style, but he can't handle the plot and characters.

>>281807490 (OP)
Zabuza's arc was fantastic. A real shame the rest of the series couldn't deliver.

>>281815539
>Chad, Orihime, and Uryu
I skipped every fight and most solo scenes they had. I simply do not give a fuck about them no matter how hard I try to convince myself to do so.

>>281815045
>zero talent at creating drama
In that case, Kubo or Kishimoto have a negative talent.
>most forced and retarded death for Ace
If you weren't stupid and realized what Ace is as a character - an impulsive teenager with daddy issues then this moment wouldn't seem like that to you. He was captured because of his temper. And he died because of it too. It's part of his flaw as a character.

>>281815359
ahem
I don’t even know how Kishimoto pulled this off

>>281815079
>father of modern shonen
Inspiring JJK, MHA or KNY is not an achievement worth showing off. Bleach has become a shining example for modern authors that even the most primitive battle shonen, if you add some cheap aura and hype slop moments, will be popular. It's like bragging that "something" inspired modern Marvel slop. Oh, Bleach fans do that already lol.

As an OP fan I fucking detest edgy Bleach and Naruto fans. They refuse to acknowledge there shows went to shit and got cancelled for reason. They keep talking in these threads like they're good.

>>281815715
>pulled this off
kishi pulled off a lot of kino.

>>281815359
>only one who can write beyond the next weeks chapter
One Piece is literally teeming with such moments, when the author uses the details he has scattered through hundreds of chapters. This cover was published in 2002, 15+ years before the new Yonko were formed in the manga

>>281815636
>In that case, Kubo or Kishimoto have a negative talent.
you commend is barely worth responding to.
>If you weren't stupid and realized
implying that i haven't seen this cope for literally the last 15 years. ace had a retard moment because Oda couldn't write anything better.

>>281811186
This

>>281815858
oda literally has characters in limbo for decades waiting like story placeholders.

>>281815858
The goat still scares me.

>>281807490 (OP)
Naruto in writing, Bleach in fights while One Piece in women

bleach had the peakest peaks in the history of peak

>>281816115
>bleach had the peakest peaks in the history of peak
Maybe if you're 12, but that applies to all 3 series here

>>281815932
>you commend is barely worth responding to
Because you have nothing to say lol. Naruto and Bleach are objectively written worse than One Piece. Kishimoto went crazy at some point with his desire to redeem every fucking ninja Hitler.
>haven't seen this cope
>Oda writes a character with flaws that are obvious to anyone who doesn't read manga with their ass.
>His flaws as a character come from his own drama, which the author spent the entire arc on. >The character acts according to his character traits, including his flaws.
>Oda is bad because he stayed true to the original image of the character, and did not retcon the character like Kishimoto did with Itachi and Jiraiya...
Everything you need to know about the average Naruto fan media literacy

>Hunterkeks still shoehorn their garbage manga in these discussions to this day
Nobody cares about the Hunter Exam, it is plainly inferior to Naruto’s Chunin Exam. One Piece feels like an episodic hit up an island adventure and save it cartoon for a good portion of its runtime. It takes too long to be invested in and is frankly a very long investment. I’m surprised people made it past East Blue and Alabasta.

>>281815932
I haven’t read one piece but Ace’s death seems pretty well received, probably not like Jiraiya level but I can fairly judge it’s probably pretty good. Your image accidentally points out a major flaw with Naruto, this arc was beautifully crafted for Shikamaru but Kishimoto could not find a way to involve Choji and Ino and it really wouldn’t have been that hard to give them a cool moment. And that is kind of a big deal if you reread the Forest of Death that squad had some real nice interaction, they had this kind of underdog bumbling dynamic with genuine teamwork that was special to them

>>281816010
>has characters in limbo for decades
Oh no, Oda doesn't forget about his characters like Kishimoto did with almost all the secondary characters and constantly brings them back into the plot. Rock Lee fans wish Kishi would write like that
>>281816039
Carrot = GOAT

>>281816210
>Ace’s death seems pretty well received
It's well received. Only Naruto fans are crying about it, and even Kishi literally stole Ace's death scene for Neji. But no one gives a shit about Neji.

>>281816115
PFFFFFFFFFFF

>>281816115
obviously i give Kubo the second chance that is TYBW anime
but he literally built everything around this final season. it's like everything before this was made with TYBW in mind. I would say Kubo -for different reasons- is tied with Kishi for best writing.
>>281816210
>I haven’t read one piece but Ace’s death seems pretty well received
i genuinely chuckled. Ace pretty much exposed that Oda can't do deaths.

>>281816174
Itachi is one of the most beloved characters in the entire manga format, Kishimoto sets up this revenge plot in like chapter 6 and doesn’t pay it off till like chapter 400 this kind of build up and payoff is really satisfying. Same with the twist twists like that is what makes reading stories worth it and it doesn’t feel like a retcon at all because there was all this mystery & inconsistencies surrounding the character. I’m not saying Nardo is better than One Piece, maybe Nardo does some stuff better though

>>281816316
massive fucking stretch here

>>281816352
>but he literally built everything around this final season. it's like everything before this was made with TYBW in mind. I would say Kubo -for different reasons- is tied with Kishi for best writing.
holy fuck, you're retarded

>>281816387
>massive fucking stretch here
well duh, he is seething. Ace's death is an embarrassing moment. if we take his behavior that led to his death as a serious part of his personality, than Ace is a shit character that deserved to die. Oda can do a lot of things but deaths is not one of them.

>>281816417
Bleachfags think Bleach is high literature, you can't expect much from people who think this about kid's shows

>>281816352
>>281816417
>>281816473
It's obvious the moment shit stops being weekly hollow with different powers shenanigans Kubo had no fucking idea what he was doing and just turned Bleach into generic shounenslop.

>>281816377
>Itachi is one of the most beloved characters in the entire manga format
And it's still a retcon.
>sets up this revenge plot in like chapter 6 and doesn’t pay it off till like chapter 400
>>281812051
>it and it doesn’t feel like a retcon
It feels like a retcon if you reread the manga and look at Itachi's behavior.

I like Itachi, but Kishimoto definitely didn't think him through completely and probably at some point decided to change the concept and make him a tragic hero. In terms of love from the audience, he made the right choice, but it's still a retcon.

>>281808164
>Luffy is just a collection of gag traits blundering his way through life
Heh

>>281816473
>Bleachfags think Bleach is high literature
you didn't get a (you) are you are now responding to yourself. im not saying it's literature anything. im saying it's good shounen manga writing.

>>281816387
>massive fucking stretch here
Literally the same thing. Kishi needed tragic death in the final war, he look on Oda and decided that he could repeat the twist, but he didn’t think that no one gives a shit about Neji and people fucking love Ace.

>>281816452
Like the embarrassing ugly crying faces that's just how it is most of the time. Not everyone has to be cool.

>>281816174
>fan media literacy
you are shitting on naruto based on a reddit meme. peak spastic weeb reasoning

>>281816547
ace was in, like, two arcs as a brief cameo at best

>>281816452
>Ace's death is an embarrassing moment
You still haven't provided any counterarguments Narutard
>Ace is a shit character
>OH NO THE CHARACTER DOESN'T ALWAYS ACTS LOGICALLY AND RATIONALLY AM I READING A FICTION STORY ABOUT PEOPLE AND THEIR FLAWS???

>>281815079
>it's the father of modern shonen
I've been wondering why modern shounen is so terrible, thanks for explaining.

>>281816584
The magic of coverstories I guess.

>>281816498
How do you explain that panel though
>>281815715
That is not a mistranslation, and Kishimoto clearly was referencing that moment when Sasuke faces the fact that he was crying like 400 chapters later. I actually do think Kishimoto planned for Itachi to be a good guy and that was set in stone during the Sasuke flashbacks at the Final Valley, there was so much emphasis on Itachi being a good brother especially odd moments like when Itachi is confronting the police and Sasuke begs him to stop and you see the shame flash on Itachi’s face. And the forehead poke was so clearly set up as a “this will be an emotional payoff thing later.”

The problem is he had to have Itachi torture Sasuke for the sake of Sasuke’s arc, Kishimoto probably had the mentality like ok I need to do this for Sasuke I’ll figure out how it fits into the larger Itachi narrative later

>>281816566
>reddit meme
I just didn't want to call you dumb because you're incapable of analyzing manga for kids and teens. But if you want to, you're dumb.

>>281816656
There is nothing contradictory about Itachi being evil and crying at that time though. Even Orochimaru teared up when he was about to kill Sarutobi.

>>281816584
And people still love him. People love Corazon and he was literally in a couple of chapters. Oda has a knack for writing characters that the public likes in a short time. Sometimes he overdoes it, like with Oden. But even with Elbaf, you can tell people love Loki and Rocks. Whitebeard was only in one arc and he's one of the best shonen characters

>>281816377
Dunno, reading Naruto you can really tell at what points Itachi was retconned. He's a really fucking cool character, but he's also a mess and his story barely makes any sense.

>>281816656
Itachi could cry over his parents' death, but not be a tragic hero. Itachi at the time of his first meeting with Naruto was definitely not a tragic hero. Otherwise, how do you explain torturing your brother with the death of his parents 500 fucking thousand times

>>281816719
Kishimoto definitely was setting something up there and he did it in a vague way intentionally, Itachi was suppose to be this cold psychopath so him crying is a pretty big revelation that doesn’t get fully revealed until waaaaay later

>>281816547
>Kishi needed tragic death in the final war,
what on earth am i reading. first of all, Neji dies defending naruto and hinata from a massive 10 tails attack. Ace died after being freed because of BANTER. Neji's death serves his character perfectly. he finally abandons his arrogance to save others in one of the most monumental attacks in naruto.

Ace's death is blatantly retarded because he acts like a single digit IQ moron who doesn't understand that White beard died for him and he doesn't stand a chance against an admiral on a good day. being impulsive doesn't mean oblivious to basic things that even Luffy could comprehend. a war just happened but no Ace has to turn back because Ainu said means things. Oda could have killed Ace in a respectful manner but he fumbled it. let's not mince words.

>>281816790
My theory back in the day was that Itachi killed his clan to see if there was a step beyond the Mangekyou, but ultimately couldn't bring himself to kill his most cherished person. Very much not unlike what happened with Zabuza, who couldn't fully disregard his emotions because of a single person. But Zabuza was still, nevertheless, an unquestionably evil fucker.

>>281816595
>>OH NO THE CHARACTER DOESN'T ALWAYS ACTS LOGICALLY
lol on a side note that's word for word a TLOU Part 2 defense. if you want to defend retarded writing because in any given time you can give the characters a free pass to act out of character that's just mental gymnastics.

>>281816731
lol
lmao

>>281816771
I don’t think he had him set in stone until the Final Valley, but before Kishimoto probably had some vague idea that there would be more to the character. At that point in the story his main priority was to set up Sasuke’s character arc, and whatever I end up doing to Itachi’s character later I’ll retroactively try and make it fit.

>>281816825
>Neji dies defending naruto and hinata from a massive 10 tails attack
A character whose main ability is to repel attacks from a blind spot was unable to repel an attack from a blind spot and died instead like retard. Kishimoto tried to twist everything that even though he died for the main branch as was destined by fate HE CHOSE IT HIMSELF therefore it does not count
>Ace died after being freed because of BANTER
A character who literally lived to thank Whitebeard for accepting him, even though he considered himself a mistake and an outcast, could not stand the humiliation towards his dearest person. I wonder why...
>abandons his arrogance to save others
It happened already in the first part in the forest when they were saving Sasuke. Kishimoto forgot about Neji until his death in Shippuden. Don't try to rewrite plot Narutard
>that White beard died for him
Whitebeard died after Ace retard. You don't even know what you're talking about.
>being impulsive doesn't mean oblivious to basic things
It literally means that. He went after Blackbeard and got captured precisely because he was impulsive. Ace was interested in Whitebeard's life and his honor above his own.

>>281816825
As a One Piece fan, Ace' death is dumb and I never found it particularly tragic, even if it is in character for him. (Also, Whitebeard died after Ace, not before him.)
But praising Neji's death as some kind of highpoint of writing in Naruto is a bit silly. The ten tails shoots some woodspears onto an army and only hits one named character. Neji doesn't go through any new development, he simply dies to confirm his "predestined from birth" nonsense. He's just happens to be nice about it. Then again, him dying is the most any chunin exam kid did in Shippuden, other than the main three and Shikamaru.

>>281816895
>a side note that's word for word a TLOU Part 2 defense
Or we just read stories about people, not soulless machines. If you acted logically and rationally, you would think about how to continue your family, and not argue on a forum for incels and Weeaboo about which children's comic is better
>TLOU2
By the way, this is a reddit tier argument
>IT'S JUST LIKE THE ONE IN X THAT EVERYONE DISLIKES

>>281816935
Didn't Kishimoto say in some interview that he initially intended for Itachi to be a bad guy, and only later changed his mind?

>>281816899
>lol
>lmao
That's right. Naruto's final war will be remembered as a failure of the manga and the worst ending in a shounen. While Marineford will continue to be considered the best war arc in the big three. Cry Narutard

>>281807490 (OP)
Enies Lobby > Soul Society and whatever the fuck people liked out of Naruto, I only ever see the Chunin exams mentioned as a good arc.

Naruto easily
Naruto has a lot of problems and its ending is dogshit but the Pain arc is peak shonen and this scene right here was builed up since basically the start of the manga and is done so well people outright think it should have ended here.
its so well done people blind watching usually cry and shit their pants.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVENFsHw584

>>281817065
what a load of cope. It's the god entity of naruto attacking everyone leaving countless dead with obito telling naruto to take in their deaths. neji dying to repel such an attack is tailor made for his skills and character.
> could not stand the humiliation
gibberish. you need to be a room temp retard to not understand that white beard died for you and that you can't fight Akai Inu on a good day. that PARTICULAR Ace deserved to die. that PARTICULAR Ace was not representative of his entire character
>Whitebeard died after Ace retard
lol it's just a scratch
>He went after Blackbeard and got captured precisely because he was impulsive
that blackbeard was not admiral level yet.

>>281817179
comparing a good part to the worst part of another manga is cheating, anon

everyone will lament OH MY NIKA NIKA FRUIT

>>281817280
the pain arc was completely retarded, especially the ending

naruto had way better arcs

>>281817145
>>TLOU2
>By the way, this is a reddit tier argument
dont cope. Part 2 fags love that excuse and you probably know it. too bad that in order to be able to make it that far (OG TLOU & OG Ace arc) you can't be a retard that has severe lapses in judgement that can only conveniently happen when the written writes themselves into a corner.

>>281817280
>blind watching usually cry and shit their pants
Not that it's an indicator. Kuma's flashback is the best thing that ever happened to the Senens, neither Naruto nor Bleach reached such a level of reaction tears.

that's some high quality bait

>>281817347
There’s a reason Naruto fans meme on Neji’s death, it was handled horribly. It might have been meaningful if Neji had done anything for the past 500+ chapters. And it is a shame because Neji was a beloved character back in Part 1, but now all he is remembered for is his funny death scene. And it is so humiliating the tonal whiplash just a few chapters later Naruto is acting like a goofball saying Sakura is his girlfriend and all this other crap. Also yeah Obito’s redemption makes the whole thing go from stinky to downright foul I legitimately struggle to think of a worse death scene. The scene itself is fine like seeing his cursed mark disappear but everything surrounding it ruined it

>>281817347
>what a load of cope.
That's right. Comparing the death of Neji, who literally no one gives a shit about, and Ace, whose death is still remembered after 15+ years is funny
>It's the god entity of naruto attacking everyone
And only Neji died lol
>neji dying to repel
But he didn't reflect it, he just took the attack from behind like a retard. It's not like he had any ability to reflect attacks from behind...
>white beard died for you
The dumb RETARD Whitebeard died AFTER Ace. You don't even know what you're arguing about, have you even read One Piece?
>lol it's just a scratch
I can't believe you're so stupid.
>that blackbeard was not admiral level yet.
And Whitebeard Yonko warned Ace that he shouldn't go.

>>281817410
>written writes themselves into a corner
All I see is that you've backed yourself into a retard corner, because you can't even comprehend that Ace died before Whitebeard.

>>281817347
>that blackbeard was not admiral level yet.
Oh. You are a power scaler. Well I'll see myself out.

>>281817536
>Naruto fans meme on Neji’s death
Naruto fans have already forgotten their own manga and now think for some reason that it was good. I even meet people who praise Kaguya and the twist with Zetsu.

>>281807490 (OP)
Demon Slayer. Infact that kind of quality should be the standard from here on out and it also contains a chad with THREE WIVES!

Okay I was going to watch Naruto after I started Bleach and One Piece but nevermind.

im talking to lying retards so i had to download the very panel because i know my shit. Ace died after the retread started. for no reason. out of character like a retard because Oda couldn't do anything better.

>>281817536
>There’s a reason Naruto fans meme on Neji’s death
your argument is YET ANOTHER reddit meme. I defended my position with a relevant panel. Naruto has a lot of characters that don't have screen time. find another cope.
>>281817572
>The dumb RETARD Whitebeard died AFTER Ace.
why am i talking to you guys. whitebeard was mortally wounded and was barely fending off attacks.

>>281817659
>Oh. You are a power scaler. Well I'll see myself out.
no. objectively by Oda's own world building Ace would not have fought any of the Admirals in any setting because that would be suicide. Blackbeard had nothing on them at that point. this is not powerscaling it's basic world building.
>ace died to bants no jutsu
you guys can seethe as hard as you want but this has been a prime retard moment in Oda's manga.

>>281817902
When the Naruto chapter released with Neji’s death it was immediately shit on by even the most diehard fans, genuinely awful and made worse by the following chapters especially Obito’s redemption. I really liked Neji too, in Part 1, so it does suck and the narrative purpose was to just push Hinata and Naruto together. It is so easy to write a good death scene and this is no exception if Kishimoto had made Neji a star of the war arc, gave him special emphasis, the death might have meant something. There really is no defending it. I’m not the same anon you were talking to prior I don’t even read One Piece Naruto is my preferred Big 3 by a significant margin. Jiraiya’s death is one of the most effective death scenes in the industry in stark contrast.

>>281807490 (OP)
Bleach. First half of the Blood War was extremely exciting. Everyone talks about SS as the peak but the excitement levels before the final arc got rushed was unreal.

>>281807877
Yeah, last year when I started watching one piece I remember everyone telling me that arlong park is an amazing ark that will hook me. "Help me Luffy was amazing" but I fell asleep watching the actual fights. I dropped the show at whiskey peak (I feel asleep again) and some months later decided to read the manga starting from reverse mountain. I had a great time with the rest of the series

>>281817701
negativity is going out of style in recent years, everything is good now

>>281808367
I'd say the scene where Ichigo cries after being betrayed by Ginjo. Why did people hate that arc? It was my 2nd favorite

>>281818087
>buuu... buu. but reddit
nigga you realize your defense is literally spastics on the internet shitposting?
a prime character dying in a great war is perfectly apt. it serves his story arc. it serves his skill set. it serves his connection to naruto. it's a perfect fit. what are you even arguing, prime characters should not die in a war only nameless NPCs? OP fag argues for zero stakes. got it.

>>281818108
yeah OP is 100% solid GOLD starting at whiskey peak, every chapter incredible

>>281817659
You can tell by the way he types too.
Low IQ.

>>281818270
>Low IQ.
you call me low IQ but you respond to power scaling cope. saying that blackbeard is not admiral level has absolutely nothing to do with power scaling.

>>281817572
>And only Neji died lol
are you blind?>>281817347

>>281808367
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tPHwrxAu538&pp=ygUdSWNoaWdvIHNheXMgZ29vZGJ5ZSB0byBpY2hpZ28%3D

>>281818350
>english dub
anon pls.

>>281818457
Ichigo’s voice is better in english.

Punctuation sucks.

>Entire war to save him
>Whitebeard mortally wounded and ordering retreat
>Ace finally freed
oh no let's turn back because a guy that i have absolutely zero chance against IN ANY SETTING told me that whitebeard is a loser.
Oda can't write stakes or deaths. It feels like no build up means anything in One Piece because Oda can ass pull anything at any time. Cheap drama for Luffy? Coming right up.

>>281818267
I'd say it starts being amazing at loguetown. Early anime was kinda shit tho

>>281807490 (OP)
One Piece is peaking right now because of Rocks, and it had prior peaks because of Impel Down and Marineford.

>>281816547
>Literally the same thing. Kishi needed tragic death in the final war,
the worst thing is that he could've just killed killer bee. He needed to die to progress the story and him surviving was an asspull. He could've also killed Guy

>>281808367
The dangai training and the overall relationship between Ichigo and Zangetsu. At the end he was merged with his sword and literally became it so much so that he no longer needed a physical blade during Mugetsu. It really felt like the end of Bleach. Then…it kept going and ruined everything before.

>>281818729
>He could've also killed Guy
You mean naruto shouldn't have robbed Guy of his glorious death.

>>281818266
What are you talking about, I never mentioned Reddit. Yes it’s expected for people to die in a war but it’s a story if you want the fan base to care you got to give the character some screentime, if Neji had existed in the past 500 chapters maybe the reaction to his death wouldn’t have been literal laughter

>>281818854
I meant that Kishi should've killed him, but yeah. Might as well fix his legs

>>281818778
>Then…it kept going and ruined everything before.
i used to be like you. but then TYBW turnt out to be an absolute masterpiece. It earns LITERALLY EVERY STORY POINT.

>>281817884
Watch it, part 1 is amazing in it's entirety and shippuden has some amazing arcs as well

>>281818867
>I never mentioned Reddit
>wouldn’t have been literal laughter
your argument is what a bunch of terminally online spastics said. you clearly watch anime for the shiposting and the memes. you are a normie to me. go watch some react videos.

>>281818920
There is no “used” to be as you never watched Bleach when it aired or read the manga when it was coming out. You’re so easy to spot Orihimeschizo.

>>281818094
First half of the tybw was the bleach at it's best. My problem with it is the 2nd half with every character that "died" in the first half coming back to life and everything about the final fight (anime might fix this)

>>281819044
It immediately turned to shit after Yama died. Side character fight galore, fucking atrociously. And the anime has the same problem.

>>281818550
The worst part about it was that all he had to do was make Luffy attack Akainu.

>>281818979
>There is no “used” to be as you never watched Bleach when it aired
you are absolutely wrong. i literally still have the raw files on my harddrive that are impossible to find 15 years later. i watched Bleach from the very first episode. I also bought all the manga as they came out.
>or read the manga when it was coming out.
you are half correct. i always believed that the bleach anime would return so i stopped reading the manga after Ginjo.
>You’re so easy to spot Orihimeschizo.
I watch anime for the anime and i don't usually give a fuck about online conversations. sorry.

>>281819085
I liked how side characters had shit to do, and it felt like there were stakes. Vizards sucked tho. Why didn't they use their masks after they figured out that hollows are poison to quincies?

>>281819134
Lying on the internet isn’t going to change the outcome of your obvious shitposting.

>>281819154
The problem wasn’t the shinigami, it was the characters they were fighting. The quincies are the worst Bleach characters Kubo ever designed. Zero charisma.

>>281819167
>Lying on the internet
please be my guest go find the raws.

>>281819222
I liked most of them besides the wwe guy and that fat fucker that had those heart arrows. Buzz b was cool, jugram was cool, bambies were fun, the guy rukia fought was great (im not even attempting to spell his name)

>>281819371
Nah all the characters sucked.

>>281819222
>Zero charisma.
It must sting that TYBW made the greatest comeback in shounen history.

>>281819371
No one cares about those characters.
>>281819439
Literally who?

>>281807877
One Piece can't do serious fights, unlike Bleach and One Piece. For one piece everything is comedy, Oda can't do serious situations.

>>281818345
Name one of those characters.

>>281819085
Yama, one of the most competent and experienced combatants, dying to "psh, that wasn't even my real body, nothin personell kid" was such a disrespectful way to take him out.

>a father dies before daughter's eyes
>the daughter cries
>serious moment
>literally 2 seconds later
>"Haha you mosshead, haha you curly forehead"
In front of the crying daughter. What the fuck? Why can't Oda keep a sad moment sad? Imagine if Naruto started marvel quipping after Jiraiya died.

That's why only one piece got netflix slop.

Congrats OP, you made all the 14 years old in /a/ fight

>>281819558
Oda can very much do serious situations. He just can't really choreograph fights. One Piece fights are good if they have emotional baggage, but they usually aren't all that special when it comes to the fighting itself, other than the finishing blow sometimes.

>>281819704
OP suffers from tonal whiplash more than the other 2, "serious" sometimes falls flat because of too much gag stuff

>>281819704
>Oda can very much do serious situations
And then ruin them seconds later with Marvel quipping.

>>281819626
TYBW was never good. Most “fans” stopped after cour 1 and halfway through cour 2.

One piece fights -
>"GIVE ME MEAT"
*fart
>"I win haha"

>>281819660
>That's why only one piece got netflix slop
Because the Bleach adaptation was crap and the Naruto adaptation will be filmed by some retard who doesn't understand anything about manga and filmed Shang Chi. One Piece is the only manga to get a watchable adaptation, you can argue all you want but the reality is still like that

>>281819934
Okay, enjoy your nigger Usopp.

https://youtu.be/beqbQfnnToU
Here you go, the only serious and emotional fight in One Piece. Everything else is a joke.

>>281819884
but look at the serious face

>>281819806
>with Marvel quipping
There are literally no Marvel jokes in One Piece. Most Marvel jokes are built on sarcasm or reddit irony. When something stupid happens and the characters say out loud that it was stupid so the audience will laugh. One Piece jokes are built on absurdity and pure naive idiocy.

I wish we got just one more Shippuden movie...Boruto is thrash.

>>281819953
>enjoy your nigger Usopp
The actor is funny and he looks like Usopp. Even his skin tone isn't that dark compared to the early anime.

>>281819704
>Oda can very much do serious situations.
lol no. i love one piece but come on. Oda does misery but that's it. he can't into real drama or stakes.

>>281820124
Why is the Rasengan so cool?

>>281819859
>TYBW was never good.
Greatest redemption is manga/anime industry.

These kinds of threads are the biggest waste of time on the internet. Imagine trying to form a coherent argument just to have some faggot retard who only wants to shit around replying you with this >>281816899. Thank God I gave up on manga discussions years ago.

>>281819884
Naruto plot -
>I killed 5 billion people and tortured 3 million children because my dad didn't love me when I was a kid

>Bro just don't be bad lol

>Oh... right.

>>281820277
One piece plot -
>'I brutally killed Nami's mother"
*Luffy comes onto scene
>"Haha your nose big"
*Arlong stays alive
>"Here are your mandarines Nami"
And he was a good friend.

>>281820168
>he can't into real drama
He can. Robin or Chopper's flashback is pure Cinema.
>or stakes
Like every other shounen author, Kishimoto killed the stakes when he introduced free character resurrection for the sake of fanservice.

>>281819859
Even as complete Narutard i admit that Bleach's comeback mogs both Naruto and One Piece.
https://youtu.be/ocJE97TOIkY

>>281813915
>Luffy vs Kaido were the best fights in the manga

>>281820366
Lol
Lmao even

>>281820337
I want to see audience reception for live action chopper
One Piece had a shitload of animal autism that started as soon as they enter the grandline and it reached peak animal autism in the sand county arc

>>281813915
Yes, i loved when Luffy was screaming GIVE ME MEAT when Kaido threw him into ocean.

>>281812527
Amidst the bitching about the no background in Bleach, when the page that had zero drawing and only two words appeared, that was the absolute peak of manga altogether not just the big 3.

>>281820132
It would be funny if they whitewashed him later on

>>281807507
fpbp

>>281807490 (OP)
So far it's between Pain's Assault and either Enies Lobby or Marineford.

>>281820336
>Haha your nose big
Luffy didn't joke with Arlong. That's literally who he is. If you don't get it, you're an idiot.
>Arlong stays alive
Nami didn't ask Luffy to kill Arlong. Nami wanted to save the village. She achieved that goal. Luffy saved her village and brought peace.
>And he was a good friend
He was. He saved his friend from a hopeless situation, saved her loved ones from slavery and allowed her to finally be herself.

Meanwhile Naruto.
>Obito starts a war in which several hundred thousand shinobi died. Kills Naruto's parents and turns his life into hell
>Bro, I forgive you because when you were a kid you wanted to become Hokage like me. You're the coolest guy

>Orochimaru spent half his life torturing children and people for inhuman experiments
>Haha look how funny he runs at Naruto's wedding

>Itachi slaughtered his family, clan, joined a terrorist organization and did zero help to Konoha as a spy
>Forced his brother to watch his loved ones die 500,000 times, which provoked him to leave Konoha and become a traitor too
>Itachi I forgive you. You were so cool and dramatic. Now I will destroy the whole world and Konoha for you

>Kabuto helped start the war
>One of the most brutal war criminals and Orochimaru's right hand
>Basically involved in Madara's return
>Bro how about becoming a caretaker at an orphanage for children whose parents died in the war you started

Naruto is literally one of the dumbest things I've ever read.

>>281820132
Yes, niggers good. What about Vivi, is her skin tone dark too in the anime?

>>281817071
>>281820168
>I'm a One Piece fan, but...
>I love One Piece, but...
Stop pretending; lots of people shit on One Piece without having to do this, just do the same.

>>281819953
What are you talking about? Are you faceblind? Usopp was always black, and obviously so.

>>281820626
Fuck, if you put it that way, it really sounds dumb...

>>281818976
Brother you’re not on Reddit people here on 4chan laughs at it too, I’m telling you now the people that liked Neji’s death are in the huge minority the first thing he did in Part 2 was die what aren’t you understanding

>>281810318
I love Konan so much bros
>Russian text unrelated

>>281820626
Crocodile? He was a good friend.
Doflamingo? He was a good friend.
Moria? He was a good friend.
Hody? He was a good friend.
Wapol? He was a good friend.

And All of them killed thousands of people btw lol.

>>281820634
>What about Vivi
Hollywood hates Arabs. I don't think the actress is ugly or bad. And to be honest, in Vivi's case it always looked stupid. Her father looked like a pure Arab, but she was a pale white girl. In many ways, it's probably because Oda made Vivi a princess after she was introduced into the story. Originally, there was supposed to be another princess.

>>281820778
Ah yes, they are Arabs, because there's uh...desert and stuff. But you are right. Óda meant for everyone to be niggers. Zoro's kinda dark skinned too in the early OP, he was clearly meant to be a proud black man.

>>281820749
And this was Luffy's live reaction to each of them.

>>281820842
>desert and stuff
ARABasta
>Zoro's kinda dark skinned too
I don't get the problem with Usopp. He literally has cartoonish donut lips and afro hair.

>>281820730
She speaks in Russian about how she wants to suck my dick.

>>281820626
>Luffy didn't joke with Arlong. That's literally who he is. If you don't get it, you're an idiot
One Piece is a fairly simple series, but it's definitely not for retards, which is why it gets so much shit from dumb people who can't deal with the fact that a big shonen manga isn't like Bleach or Naruto.

>>281811186
Jaya is fantastic, and Luffy punching Bellamy goes undoubtedly hard, but the climax of the arc/saga is Luffy slamming Enel into the Bell.

>>281820960
Belllamy was a good friend.

>>281820937
I am not inclined to believe you.

>>281820988
I'm a snow nigger, trust me.

>>281807490 (OP)
Why can't zoomer shounens be like this? Where is their Big 3?

>>281821112
Can you post the text and optionally provide a translation? You can use ""s if you can't afford not to.

>>281820960
Not even because of the punching or winning though. Pic related and the bell ringing was perfect on its own, just like that spread with BB.

>>281821151
>Where is their Big 3?
fuck the big 3, nigga it's just big me

>>281821186
This.

Growing up is realizing that Naruto and Bleach are just not good.

>>281821151
I hear WSJ editors wanted to get back to doing more 5 year series

>>281821232
Can we get your thoughts on One Piece

>>281821112
Even though lying is literally a cultural norm in Russia?

>>281821186
still pushing this ironically memed series huh

>>281807490 (OP)
I liked stuff in Naruto and Bleach, but it was more because I thought they were cool rather than because I actually cared about the characters, so One Piece has higher peaks because it made me genuinely care about the characters.

>>281821347
>Trusting AI slop over your fellow anons.
Собака

>>281821379
Always.

>>281821614
Yes, absolutely. Russians are a lot more known to lie than AIs are.

clears all

>>281820626
>Orochimaru spent half his life torturing children and people for inhuman experiments
>Haha look how funny he runs at Naruto's wedding
Lol.

>>281807490 (OP)
Bleach

>>281821767
OH MY HYPERBOLIC TIME CHAMBER

>>281807490 (OP)
Marineford

>>281821614
собака is a dog right? It's been decades since I had that russian class

>>281809207
Literally nobody knows what the fuck that is

>>281822259
I do

>>281820626
>Meanwhile Naruto.
>Obito
Literally groomed and mindbroken into being evil, "redeemed" himself helping stop Kaguya who would ACTUALLY kill every single person in the whole planet, he is erased from history books and the only ones that treat him as some kind of hero are naruto and Kakashi because they feel sympathy for him.
his whole character was "what if naruto but evil" so its natural thats the route they went for.
>Orochimaru
He is banned from entering Konoha and only does so in special ocasions, they do survillance on him and is only keep alive and in gloryfied house arrest because he is just too valuable as a scientist, also because he helped in the war by bringing the kages who did a lot of heavy lifting.
>Itachi
followed Konoha's orders
>Kabuto
quite literally mindbroken into becoming a good guy, also really valuable as a scientist

all this shit happend irl with ww2 nazi scientist getting pardoned because they are actually too valuable to kill/jail

>>281821777
Now show me a scene where Luffy forgave Caesar. He literally took him hostage and used him to fight the Yonko. And Sanji was willing to give Caesar's life to save his crew. You still don't get the point, right?

>>281821151
Nu-shonen is so obviously inspired by Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece that they just fundamentally aren't as interesting.

>>281821777
Caesar was forgiven, he was just used because he had a convenient skill.