Thread 281814473

Hear me out. It's not any kind of scientific theory, but some of my observations, so take it with a grain of salt.
Many anons here always complain 'Isekais are so vapid, insipid and boring, why do shitters watch this and encourage studios to churn out moe of this horseshite', and they do it rightly so.
But why is that? I think it has to do with novelty. When people carve for entertainment they have this subconcious desire from time to time for fresh air and then they stumble upon isekai that seem fresh to them while not seeing how superficial it is and overlooking most of its vices. This is especially true for younger folks that engage in some series for they can be invested more easily than more expecienced watchers. But overtime this enthousiazm wears off. I know it firsthand; I watched this 'Isekai with Smartphone' or sth like that not long time after it was ended being aired in Japan and thought it was mostly alright. I suppose it's because back then I didn't have much exposure to this kind of anime, 'cause shounens constituted the lion's share of what I was engaging with in that moment, I mean I still didn't have that much exposure with only dozen or so isekais under my belt. Not so long ago, led by my curiousity, I decided to check if it was that bad and... I coundn't get past the first episode, I felt it was just a big waste of time, all I could see were worn-off clichés.
>TL;DR
The main cause for the isekai-invasion is just the fact that isekais are still considered 'new'. Do you think I made a mistake or -s in my dialectics?

>>281814473 (OP)
Here's a theory: sometimes people like things you don't like.

>>281814473 (OP)
I don't know man, you probably watch dogshit like Naruto and I don't think too deeply about that.

I only watch good isekai.

>>281815505
List wouldn't be bad if you removed Rezero and Konosuba. Either of these are good and the cast isn't stomachable by anyone who's even a little self aware. Shows for autistic retards who hate the idea of an actual plot.

>>281815781
>actual plot
>isekai
pick one

>>281814473 (OP)
Isekai are the ultimate filter. The cliché exist all on a very superficial level. They serve as a starter-pack for aspiring new authors. The similar early story can be used as an excellent measuring stick on whether the execution of even just this simple template beginning is done well or badly, which gives you a good outlook on what to expect. Using that you can easily filter out all the really bad stuff very, very early in the story and can roughly estimate what the quality is going to be.
Of course, that requires a certain amount of reading comprehension. You lack that so you are merely at the level of "I see cliché there! Cliché bad!" and it obviously drives you crazy. I pity you, because you fall into that awkward range of not being unga-bunga enough to just enjoy the ride as it is, yet still not smart/comprehensive enough to see through the essence.
>TL;DR
You are too much of a normalfag are both too dumb to see the essence and not dumb enough to just enjoy the show.

>>281814473 (OP)
Isekai harems are comfy.

>>281814473 (OP)
These kinds of threads hadn't been appearing lately, but suddenly after an eceleb posted a rage-bait video I see these threads every day. I think there might be a connection there.
>>281816019
Yeah, the ecelebs don't feed you any information on the story of isekai, so surely there simply isn't any, right?

>>281815505
The most entrylevel normalfag shit I've ever seen.

>>281815781
I don't know if it's a troll or what. Re:zero is very good and konosuba is a sitcom that never pretended to have a plot nor need it. If you hate comedy this is your problem.

>>281816484
>rezero is very good
Having taste this shit should be a bannable offense. Retard lives a life with 0 consequences rewinds time any time he fucks up and has a massive harem of women who want him. All while being a little faggot who cries and pisses and shits himself over everything. Literal self insert anime for betas who think life should be handed to them. The plotline is unrealistic even for a fictional world.

>>281816484
>jap media
>funny
Pick one. Only hyper autistic people find anime funny. We're talking so deep on the spectrum that they can't understand basic human emotions.

>>281816484
Re: zero sucks. All the main character does is cry. Every episode. Multiple times per episode. Nothing but crying.

The core concept behind isekai is the power fantasy. The JRPG game world is secondary, it’s just that’s how the power fantasy evolved from the naru scene and became popular. The genre is in this middle ground with Western fans who are into the IDEA of a power fantasy and game world, but get turned off by how Japan executes the idea. There’s two things which really cripples the genre for Western fans: JP moral law and Japanese / Asian idea of a power fantasy. JO media is enslaved to a strict moral law which destroys plots and characters with any significant degree of complexity which makes it seem childlike / boring / formulaic to us. Their power fantasy is very feminine in nature while ours is masculine which ends up rubbing us the wrong way. Ie, our idea of a power fantasy is to BECOME the strongest, overcoming the odds, while theirs is to BE the strongest, ie, made into a god and given everything.

>>281816322
100% this. Isekai is the smart man’s delight.

>>281814473 (OP)
If you can’t see past the formula then that is a YOU problem.
It’s like you read a fairytale and it starts with: once upon a time there lived a ……
And before reading the next sentence you slap shut the book and scream: cliché! Cliché!

This is how retarded you sound

>>281817066
>>281816322
>Isekai is for smart people actually
You're like those retarded Brazilians who say DBZ and One Piece are the best thing ever made. Awful taste, worse bait consider a rope.

>>281816399
Give at least 2 examples of ones you consider to have plot.

>>281817028
You people are so dumb, literally below the animals.
You don’t understand the first thing about the isekai genre, its purpose, its dream nor its history.

The isekai genre arose as the conclusion to the SekaiKei genre.
The SekaiKei genre sought to depict how the world could be saved.
However the form this took is so brilliant and amazing that man was left with a single conclusion:
This is the truth; and yet it is unattainable.

Ironically this is also what the Bible says about it:

„Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”“
Matthew 19:26 NIV
And:

„Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”“
John 3:3 NIV

Amazingly the conclusion that the collective unconscious of those Japanese authors arrived at is:
Man must be BORN again in a different world by God.
Which is exactly what the Bible says the solution to this problem is.

However, now, the struggle of isekai and sekai kei continues: Because even born again there now is no more world to save.
Through their death they have lost in the world.
Therefore the world is abandoned and destroyed and a new one is created.

Additionally, someone who is born again can not pay the price of sekaikei. Because to him everything was given by grace.
And as he is just by grace he can not finish the work. It would be fake, unearned.
Therefore the conclusion is still open; even I do not know what form it will take.
However Isekai is the heir to SekaiKei. It is the tip of the spear, what it will bring in the future is still unknown.

The reason why there are so many isekai and so many bad ones at that is that the isekai are hunting. They are searching for the ultimate form that will reach beyond the veil.

>>281817115
Even those Brazilians are higher than you. Since they enjoy their one piece and DBZ - but you only enjoy tearing down what other people like in utter ignorance.
I truly pity you

>>281817364
Your ChatGPT response doesn’t contribute to this discussion. Isekai came out of the naru scene, period. Its core concept is power fantasy, period. AI doesn’t have any understanding of this, it’s just collating data points the model skimmed off of blogs and Quora. This is evident because of the use of the word “kei” while evidently not knowing what it means.

>>281817722
So basically everything you don’t understand it ChatGPT.
Go kill yourself.

>>281817722
>see post too long
>it's chatgpt wtf

>>281817722
ChadGPT bros??? Our response???

>>281814633
MASAKA

>>281817364
>the isekai are hunting. They are searching for the ultimate form that will reach beyond the veil.

>>281814473 (OP)
The fact people are just parroting that new nigger's basement video 1:1 is frankly getting pathetic.

>>281818692
Oh it’s the niggers basement lmao. Who even watched that fag?
Everyone who does should be ashamed of themselves, seriously.

>>281816322
>>Isekai are the ultimate filter. The cliché exist all on a very superficial level. They serve as a starter-pack for aspiring new authors.
At this point not even this is true when people struggle to find truck death examples outside of parody goysloppa.
Even the start of isekai is varied these days.

the dogshit discussion quality in this board that boils down to "isekai bad japan bad" makes me wish 8 chan wasn't so fucking dead

>>281814473 (OP)
Its wish fulfillment for losers who arent capable in real life, like dandajak or niggatoro

>>281819010
Isekai is ok as a concept, but in practice its devolved into some faggot that nobody likes or respects becoming "his" own daydream of himself. and it happens because the loser author and his loser customers need "him" to do this so they can live vicariously through this slop
Isekai did to the fish out of water genre what joss whedon did to movies

>>281817217
Anything that's isn't leaning excessively on comedy or slice-of-life/slow-life.
That is 95%+ of isekai including all the big names like Tensura, MT, Overlord, Re:Zero (I presume from what I saw, as I never watched/read it), Youjo Senki, etc. I guess maybe Konosuba is a bit light on the plot as it's among the aforementioned ones that lean strongly on comedy, but even that has the whole demon lord plotline and some episodic sub-plots.

>>281819481
>Isekai is ok as a concept, but in practice its devolved into some faggot that nobody likes or respects becoming "his" own daydream of himself. and it happens because the loser author and his loser customers need "him" to do this so they can live vicariously through this slop
Isekai haters like you are strangely insistent on having perfectly psycho-analysed all authors and audiences of isekai from watching some tertiary anime adaptations for 3 episodes, yet somehow can't even remember any titles of isekai.

>>281819574
Why would I bother remembering the titles of slop catering to r9k tier faggots, jeets, and neets?
Being able to identify shit in order to avoid it is good enough

>>281819922
Anon, people are already telling you that you and all the anti-isekai ecelebs are trying to gaslight people by outright lying about what series are about, why are you doubling down?

>>281820409
I dont watch those friend simulators, jeet. Youd have a better idea than I of what those faggots are saying

>>281819922
why would you intentionally admit you don't know what you're talking about then?

>>281819922
Anon, the neets and jeets are watching shounenslop like JJK and gook leveling.
The comment section on any video about shounenslop is browner than a toilet these days because for whatever reason they love using their real faces as profile pics.

>>281817115
I am brazilian, I love DBZ and I find your post highly offensive.

Can AI generate Isekai plots, themes, scripts, and character art at this point?

Maybe there will be a few hundred 1,000 episode Isekais in the near future coming from one studio.

>>281816399
>These kinds of threads hadn't been appearing lately, but suddenly after an eceleb posted a rage-bait video I see these threads every day. I think there might be a connection there.
Westoids are getting gaped on all industries by japan, and the weapons they were trying to use (chinks and gooks) keep collapsing despite massive amounts of help.
The average ironic weeb is getting desperate to act like a mature adult with superior taste without admitting JP media is flat out superior.

>>281819010
Doubt alt chans will fix any of the problems with this site unless they implement stuff like pol style anonymous thread IDs.

>>281819010
have you tried reddit?

>>281820780
That's a CIA shithole worse than this one lmao.

>>281820691
that's exactly what 8 does retardo

>>281814473 (OP)
The worst isekai you can think of is still a 5/10, that's way above things like Lazarus and Ninja Kamui, isekai is just the superior genre.

>>281820820
Does it? Then it may be worth checking out-
>Google says it's dead after a school shooter did a funny.
Wonderful.

>>281821016
gonna risk a 3 day to spoonfeed your monkey ass so open wide nigger
also .se is the backup domain if moe is dead due to DDOSing

>>281821084
buy an ad?

>>281821250
nah i would rather do it for free to tell people a superior place to have discussion on

>>281821378
but think of the many ppl who might see the ad it could really increase your visibility and profits.

>>281821486
Pretty sure anyone worth having any discussion with on a chan board also has the self-respect to use an adblocker of some kind.
>But phoneposters-
Did I stutter?

>>281821084
NTA but will lurk on it at least.
What's yet another tab on my 4chan addiction?

>>281816322
>a certain amount of reading comprehension.
OP here
It's (You) that lacks comprehension, anon. The 'I see cliché everywhere' was only a mere example of a bigger phenomenon I presume to exist. I state it explicitly in TR;DR section but (You) for some reason draw the conclusion that I was 'le filtered'. So, while your idea that clichés serve as a scaffold to build a story on is true, it's eventually meaningless for it is a distaction of the main idea of my OP.
Besides, I'm not so fucking ooga-booga troglodyte that simply can't appreciate this genre, because I do like good jap portal-fantasy. Just the bulk of it is dogshit-worth that's nothing more than hackneyed spew that is eaten again. Seeing one of them is like seeing it all.