Thread 281968170

Having "unattractive" older women (who look like older woman, not like that fake ass "granny" from Dandadan) in PROMINENT main character roles is a sign of rare intellectually driven anime.

>>281968170 (OP)
>Representation
Fuck off faggot.

>>281968170 (OP)
Atashinchi is the best representation for this.

>>281968187
>if you are intelligent, you must be a homosexual male
Hmm I see

representation is for faggots desperate to be the center of the universe

I remember decades ago when waifu threads were still popular on /a/, I pretended the ugly shopkeeper from Bebop is my waifu.

>>281968170 (OP)
Now this is the thread that will get all the 14yos running wild
Solid job OP

>>281968216
Homosexuals do tend to be more intelligent on average

Tourists will get triggered by the term representation without even realizing that the entire idea of putting stereotypical otaku into anime was inspired by the same post-modernist thought that underlies projects of representation and that anime has been representing subaltern positions ranging from women to the poor in opposition to their erasure from the mainstream for generations.

>>281968216
If you are OP*

>>281969128
>Tourists will get triggered by the term representation without even realizing
Don't care, kill yourself.

>>281968170 (OP)
>unattractive
>posts a 10/10

>>281969294
You don't care about being a tourist, got it

>>281969128
Tourists are the ones using the term representation. Anime is made by japan for japan, and wanting to force western terms and values onto it is the most touristy shit you can do. (YOU) and OP can both go back.

>>281969517
>respecting and getting along with your fellow humans is a "western value"

>>281968170 (OP)
Would

>>281969547
Yes it is. Japan is a xenophobic nation for a reason. Retards like you want your faggoty self inserts stuffed into every anime, then have the audacity to try and "claim" everything in japan as something western. Otokonoko? That's a tranny, Okinawan? That's a black person now. You faggots are the ones ruining anime.

>>281969517
>>281969605
His point was that anime itself has always had characters, like otaku stand-ins that are representational. You're literally angry at words that objectively apply because you think you're an epic culture warrior and can't fucking read.

>>281969605
Uuuh oohh men are women now and uhh anime is ruined
You guys actually cry about everything, holy shit

>>281968243
I don't know why you would do this kind of psyop but sounds extremely based

>>281969749
>>281969843
No his point was to say "thing I like makes the anime smart" you're a retard for defending him or OP samefagging himself. It's embarrassing. Only western retards use the word "representation" if you don't want to be shit on then don't phrase it like some woke faggot who hates attractive women.

>>281969564
you would what, sir?

Cool representation of Black people was rare in pre 2020s anime. This was our big fuarkin hero.

>>281969517
You would correct if this were an average seinen, but this is a fujo series.
When fujos write characters, the men are fantasy and the women are, that's right, representation.
OP is right, even if he's a faggot who thinks in western terms and stumbled upon the truth by coincidence.

>>281970354
He's not black he's Japanese. He's "representing" japanese people not whatever you are.

>>281970134
Funny then that he actually said none of that, and you projected all this posturing about smartness from some previous death match you're clearly still butthurt about. You didn't engage the argument at all despite being spoonfed it multiple times by different people now, and instead choose to show your hurt over a singular word. You seem extremely stupid and weak. You're so bad at this that you're even making the other culture warriors on your side of the spectrum look bad by extension.

>>281969517
The Japanese have been greedily importing western culture for centuries and their entire modern literary scene has been dealing with westernization for so long that gyaru are just an update of moga who were the obsession of western style novels and short stories influenced by western movements like naturalism. The otaku subculture as created by the magazine editors and writers working alongside the artists was specifically defined by the double pretension of using pretentious postmodernist critique from western academia in writing about children’s media. Many of the discrete forms of tropes and aesthetics are directly inspired by western popular media as well, the greatest example being delinquent and biker gang tropes derived from American films like Rebel without a Cause. Similar to the way that so many of the gritty action OVAs that people point to as one of the pinnacles of the industry are inspired by American action movies like Terminator.

It’s absurd to pretend that any Japanese media isnt globalized and heavily influenced by the west, let alone postwar popular media like anime and manga

>>281970634
>word salad about how someone else didn't read the OP but obviously didn't read it yourself

Uh oh the thread is picking up speed, how could this happen

>>281968170 (OP)
>unattractive
>representation
you're gay

>>281969128
The issue isn't that representation exists but the implication that it is necessary: that groups of people ought to be be represented, rather than that they merely can. This can be seen in your use of the term "erasure", which is largely nonsensical in this context and merely used to imply, "shame on you for not choosing to represent something".

>>281970875
>word salad
Yeah it was some really high brow stuff once again. If you ask nicely, I can explain the parts you were confused about, like the one where I call you retarded.

>>281970929
>picking up speed
More like picking up speds. It's just OP and 1 other tourist retard seething about how they want to slam westoidslop into anime, then calling anyone who disagrees a "culture warrior"

>>281971112
You sound like you're crying

>>281971107
You couldn't even understand the original post, how are you going to explain anything? Pseuds are always so quick to embarrass themselves.

>>281969517
>Tourists are the ones using the term representation
I've only seen xitter / tiktok / reddit troons and zoomer women use this term

Funnily enough Sakaguchi Ango has an essay from the WWII era that perfectly shatters the notion of unique Japanese aesthetic culture. His starting point is to note that iconic features like tea ceremony, the architecture of a certain imperial estate, and traditional clothes had been picked out and codified as representative of Japaneseness by a German tourist, meanwhile the Japanese themselves run around in trousers watching movies in theaters that have piss soaked bathrooms. His point ultimately was to say that the true emptiness of the fascist era society meant that the real icons of its aesthetic were prisons and battleships, pure function without unnecessary aesthetic form, and that seldom used temples should be bulldozed for more parking lots which are what people actually need and use, but I think the earlier parts of the essay demonstrate how silly it is to either define a Japanese essence or to maintain that global influences aren’t pervasive.

>>281971066
What makes you think that’s an issue? Acknowledgement of that necessity is one of the cornerstones of otaku subculture. Inu-Oh is a wonderful recent example that puts the idea front and center.

>>281971159
Why do you still think we're debating the OP post when that wasn't even part of the reply chain? Honest question

>>281969547
respecting =/= adding pozzed western "representation" to your media

>>281970354
Wrong pic.

>>281971214
>What makes you think that’s an issue?
Because I think moralising busybodies trying to dictate how art is made are evil and should be called out as such.

>>281971276
Let me guess, adding things to appeal to you = good, adding things to appeal to anyone other than you = pozzed

>>281971286
And you're not trying to dictate how art it's made?

>>281971159
Hilarious post-argument cope from a guy who got so triggered by a word that he couldn't argue on point anymore

>>281971286
And when it’s the artists using their works to promote these messages while subculture commentators use their platforms to analyze and diagram those messages to an even greater level of clarity?

You tourists who cry about western influence are the clueless rabble of busybodies trying to dictate how art is made and received lol

You're still trying huh?

>>281968187
Fpbp

>>281971286
We're on 4chan so you don't have to pretend to make a moral argument, you can just say you're angry at black people or something

>>281971377
Only to the extent of, "without the interference of self-important faggots on the internet".
>>281971404
Artists can promote whatever retarded messages they want in their art. "Subculture commentators" like all critics are inherently scum and ought to be ignored.

>>281968187
The faggot is just baiting, but fpbp regardless.

>>281971478
Anon, I'm sorry for the breaking news but you're also self-important faggot on the internet screaming your opinions like everyone else.

>>281971448
Why would I be angry at black people? What the fuck do they have to do with anything?

>>281971509
>saying anything ever makes you self-important
Fuck off you stupid psychopath.

>>281971478
>Artists can promote whatever retarded messages they want in their art
So what's the problem then? You're just assuming that these messages aren't promoted sincerely because you can't understand why someone would want a black guy on screen

>>281971523
You don't get it bro if you don't want "representation" you hate black people. This is the unironic line of thinking of these "people"

>>281971478
Ah yes because some tourist said so we should ignore the long tradition of industry magazines and fanzines which have been integral in shaping the subculture.
See the truth is that you’re the scum that everyone ignores, your views are entirely irrelevant because you’re nothing more than a self-important piece of shit.

>>281971550
You seem to believe you can read other people's mind, and somehow anyone who doesn't agree with you it's insincere.

>>281971580
The problem is you, not anime. I don't know how much more clearly I can put this.
Again, why the fuck are you bringing up black people at all? OP only mentioned uggos.

>>281971586
Okay but you hate black people and you want artists to stop portraying them because they trigger you, so where’s flaw in that line of thinking?

>>281970642
>The Japanese have been greedily importing western culture for centuries
Insanely based & truthpilled

I remember how retards tried to push a fake "Japanese people are outraged" meme over pic related. But in reality, most Japanese fans on social media loved this and embraced it. Also, as actual educated anime experts, who know way more than racist newfags, have pointed out that it would be a crime for Dandadan's characters to not be Black.

In example, the critic Vaush said in his reviews that Dandadan is literally BUILT on Black culture:
>Main male character has Black hair.
>Main female character is literally part of a Japanese subculture that explicitly steals from Black culture (gyaru).
>The season 1 of the anime OP is basically built on Black people dancing and Black music.

And Dandadan is simply the most obvious example of it all. Basically 99% of things we perceive as cool in post 90s anime comes from Black culture either directly, or indirectly through Western cartoons stealing it first.

And don't even get me started on One Piece.

>>281971523
>>281971586
Dishonest posts
The only reason you'd cry over representation is if the show/whatever ends up featuring content you dislike
I don't even know why play this game, it's so obvious

>>281971752
All of us Black fans know and accept Okarun as one of our own. Same as >>281970354

>>281971752
See this is shitposting with a modicum of style at least

>>281971852
They can't win an argument so now it's time to write shitpost and farm (you)s instead

Kill yourself tranny.

>>281971774
I'm glad you've at least stopped pretending to be remotely open minded and interested in anything other than lynching anyone that disagrees appears to disagree with you.

>>281971349
you act like it's only me, but one of the reasons why people like anime is because it doesn't have that kind of westshit in it

>>281971655
>The problem is you, not anime
Okay so there's no problem then in having representation in anime, right? You concede to that. And top of that I have to say, it's an incredibly worthless thing to cry about how I am the """real problem""" because I make posts online that you don't like, while simultaneously agreeing that there can be honest artist-driven representation in media, so why do you even care, really?
>Again, why the fuck are you bringing up black people at all? OP only mentioned uggos.
Okay uggos then, who cares? I don't know why you would want to pretend that the discourse about representation doesn't include racial topics but whatever

anime and manga are immature mediums that are made by immature people and that appeal to an immature audience
this is the reason why 99% of protagonists are literal children or teens
having a protagonist in his mid 20's let alone above that is extremely rare
there are exceptions to this of course

>>281971659
When did anyone say that? I don't watch anime to see black people and Japanese artists rarely if ever draw a dark skinned person. When they do western animals chimp out because they get x wrong about their race despite the character being Japanese first. Look at the MHA artist. Fucking nigs freaking out because he drew HIS JAPANESE character "too light skinned" this type of animal behavior is indefensible.

>>281971966
When you make it clear to everyone that you’re nothing more than a selfish piece of shit with no morals, there’s no need to pretend you deserve anything besides to be lynched. No one is going to pretend there are enlightened centrists who are just rationally concerned over progressive politics to the same degree that reactionary politics are worrying. You’re either a reactionary or a progressive, evil or good.

>>281968170 (OP)
Her voice is hot as hell too

>>281971752
>most japanese fans loved it
I've never in my life seen more racism than when that shitty recolor was posted. Japs were going absolutely crazy because they're tired of blacks stealing their work, coloring it black and calling it "art" the outrage was so intense they made both the english VAs leave the platform as a whole.

>>281972059
You have already revealed yourself to be a pseudo-moralist. I shan't engage in this discussion any longer. Good day, sir.

>>281972008
You don't need to say "people" you can make yourself responsable for your own taste. Just say "I like anime with X and not with Y" instead of tiptoeing around it, you pussy.

>>281971966
Then feel free to explain me your super deep thought process instead of getting offended like this
What possible reasons would you have to not want certain groups featured in media outside you not liking those groups? We already established that artists can do whatever fuck they want, so give me some explanation that doesn't boil down to artist being forced to be inclusive

>>281971659
They already have western comics, vidya, movies and shows to represent them. why does Japan need to do this too?

>>281972156
It amazes me that someone would actually write this reply and not instantly realize that it makes them look like a coward who jobbed the argument

>>281972008
Except that otaku subculture was directly inspired by global counterculture and has been promoting progressive messages including representing the underrepresented (an idea applied to otaku as well) for longer than you’ve been alive

>>281970485
Hafus exist

>>281972219
They don't "need" to do anything, they want to do it because
>Want to insert product in the global market
>Want to explore some topics
>Some just like the aesthetics (like the Gachiakuta duo)
Is not like you stop having copy pasta isekais every season for this.

>>281972144
Don't feed the fucking troll. Can't you see how obvious the bait is with his shitty reddit-tier post? Come on now ffs

>>281970134
Anon, A Silent Voice featuring a deaf woman as one of its main characters was a form representation. It actually represented them so well, that it actually received an award from the Japanese disabled community. Just because the staff didn't use the word "representation" when marketing the movie, does not magically make it not representation.

>>281972156
If we want to be anal about this, strictly speaking I haven't conveyed anything that would even approach morality, and I don't find it worth anything to be called a pseud by a guy who's obviously lying about his stances. It's fine to disengage when you're in a corner but it's admittedly pretty funny when you're this transparent about it.

>>281972322
You know it's a good bait when you can't really refute it. Reminds me of older trolls who weren't just content posting a wojak and being done with it

>>281972219
Because the artists want to, often due to solidarity born from their own experiences of discrimination from the highly conservative mainstream culture in Japan

>>281971406
This could refer to anything in the thread
Nobody's gonna decipher what you're seething about son

>>281971752
This but unironically. I would love to see one of the racist motherfuckers to try to debate Vaush on DanDaDan, but all of them are scared shitless of him.

>>281972144
>never in my life seen more racism than when that shitty recolor was posted [on Twitter, filled with anime loving nazipedos* pretending to be Japanese]
No actual JAPANESE SOCIAL MEDIA had critical voices for Black DanDaDan. Especially not 2ch where Westerners aren't even allowed.

>>281972065
>anon says, while being blatantly triggered by black people

>>281968170 (OP)
Truth, like the Curb bit where you know a rich guy has integrity if he's got an ugly wife.
It's possible to do both also.

>>281972641
>defending leftwing anituber
>Japanese people on xitter aren't real if they don't agree with me
Dandadan is more rooted in Japanese culture than anything. Fades originate from military haircuts not black people. Gyaru is a Japanese sub culture, people claiming its roots come from African Americans are ignorant to reality, and the opening has nothing to do with the show itself, the manga existed wholly without it. Western retards, especially "anitubers" have no idea where the influences of Dandadan come from.

black people and india is 4chan culture, retarded chud

>>281972065
Anon, you do realize Southern Japan has a lot of dark-skinned Japanese people, right? You do realize that hafus exist, right?

>>281972892
This. Bunch of tourists.

>>281972892
>Gyaru is a Japanese sub culture
What is the etymology of gyaru?

>>281973009
My waifu Grok told me it means "Japanese girl subculture".

>>281972908
>southern Japan
They're not black, they're Japanese. The issue is black people trying to claim them as African American.
>hafus
I don't care about .01% of people using this as an argument for "representation" is retarded.

>>281972908
that's what he is saying retard, not every dark skinned person in anime is supposed to be black or western

>>281973009
Literally translates to "Gal" and was used originally as a term for any girl who was rebellious.

>>281973142
Hmm so the word itself is English…

>>281973266
I know loan words are a difficult concept for you, but most languages hinge on them. Just because English uses a ton of Latin words doesn't mean it automatically makes everything pertaining to them Latin.

>>281973449
But it’d also be impossible to say that English speaking cultures haven’t been distinctly influenced by Roman culture, the imprint on language perpetuates certain ideas all by itself. In the same way, it’d be stupid to say that gyaru subculture isn’t fundamentally influenced by western styles of dress, makeup, dance, music, etc. As a countercultural expression it’s even guided by the inversion of conservative mainstream Japanese notions of femininity such as seen in the image of the yamato nadeshiko.

>>281968170 (OP)
>is a sign of rare intellectually driven anime
No, it's a sign of normalfaggtry.
>MUH REALISM
This is the main reason why anime and manga turn to shit and it's not the only medium affected by that cancer, sadly.
>representation
pic related.

>>281974058
There is perhaps no greater sign of anime and manga originating from the otaku subculture than the depiction of stereotyped otaku right up to the pinnacle of representation in Otaku no Video. Similarly, emphasizing realist storytelling and pretentious intellectualization in children’s media are defining features of the effect of the subculture working through the industry.

>>281968170 (OP)
As a girl, I feel comfortable and validated by the portrayal of women in Hikanatsu, the AotY 2025.

>>281974655
Based

Ugly girl here, I self insert as a realistic & fattened version of your waifu.

>>281969517
Ah, the western term, 'older women'? Got it

>>281968170 (OP)
Hag sex.

>>281976562
Bro... she got no eggs. Imagine how sloppy that hairy pus is.

>>281974655
Why are women winning every year and we moids keep taking the Ls

I hope the ugly woman gets killed in the anime soon. The tomboy girl will probably get killed first though, can't have any heterosexual threats splitting apart our gay duo.

>>281976622
>she got no eggs
It's fine, I don't want kids. Just hag sex.

>>281977170
I'd rather die a wizard than lose my powers with a hag
>t. 35 year old wizard and proud

>>281972902
Funny that actual pajeets are better posters than the wannabe woman that made this thread

>>281977220
Hags need love too!

>>281977401
>t. H1B Rajesh who spams in NPSG threads for GoodSmile Inc.

>>281977401
And the funnier part is that they’re both better posters than you tourists from /pol/

>>281971276
Use the /a/ related version next time, anon.

>>281968187
fpbp

>>281977576
>tourists from /pol/
What do you think the OP and this thread about social issues meant to attract

>>281968170 (OP)
she was probably a baddie in her twenties

>>281977828
I think it was intended to trigger and troll tourists, it seems very intentionally crafted. I’d consider that it was crafted to serve as strawman to beat against to try to rally tourists but it’s hard to tell when that happens unless the OP sticks around to samefag both sides of the psychodrama.

>>281969517
>t.westerner

They’re just drawings.

>>281968170 (OP)
>how can I make this more marketable to people who hate anime