Thread 282045610

Why was this show so... perfect?

>>282045610 (OP)
Boys love giant robots and medieval fantasy, so combining them should be beloved by... girls?

ESCA.....
FLOWNE
ESCA.....
FLOWNE

>>282045741
We thoguht that, but it was Girls that loved Giant Robots and Medieval Fantasy.
>Gundam
>Rayearth
>Escaflowne
>Macross
ALL SHOUJO

>>282045610 (OP)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXZg3aexGLs

>>282045896
>Macross
>Shoujo
erm...

a cat is fine, too.

it wasn't

Because Kazuki Akane an extremely intelligent person and genius director. He writes smart characters that actually have the spark of life in them, who behave like there is a person inside them figuring out the best thing to do, like you or I would in their shoes, rather than just being shitty tropes or doing retarded things just to serve the plot.

>>282046176
A dog too as proved by Jajuka

>>282045610 (OP)
It was absoulte shit with what some people might consider to be good visuals.

>>282045610 (OP)
It wasn't perfect, it was missing like a third of its episodes.

>>282047128
And an ending, and good characters.

>>282045610 (OP)
>Why was this show so... perfect?
It has a very strong old-school JRPG vibes.

>>282045947
God, what an amazing soundtrack this show had.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVTs9AngpRc

>>282046176
Stupid cat

>>282046059
>random love triangle
>two of the bad boys
>plain jane girl that only said two bad boys have eyes for
It's shoujo bro

>>282049304
bro hasnt seen frontier or delta

>>282049329
Macross always had a majority of male viewers but the audience became mostly female with Frontier and Delta. Sheryl Nome got her own shoujo spin-off

>>282049345
What changed that attracted more women?

>>282045610 (OP)
You have to be a woman or mental ill, animation was great, story wasn't so bad but reeked to shoujo manga so nope.
Also a week after this released we got gundam wing and the classic line "i'm going to kill you".

>>282045896
Macross and gundam aren't shoujo, we got several stuff from there and the girls were quite hot.
Idol main girl won't equal to shoujo was something classic from 80s ota culture but you won't know.
>sexy or cute girls.
>pantyshots
>giant robots
That's a man romance specially robots, if you didn't make blueprints of robots as child then you aren't even human.

>>282049485
Most didn't want to admit it just that, is kinda those trying to claim macross is shoujo when was the most fanservice of robot anime which women don't like.

>>282051037
>we got gundam wing
Not sitting through hours upon hours of dated mediocrity just to watch that

>>282046176
Stupid no-pan cat

>>282049203

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_-J446MBKk

>>282046176
>>282049262
>>282051159

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_hhF1-c7os

>>282046176
>ONE cat
Van should learn from his big brother.

>>282045610 (OP)
Great pacing. It never dragged.

The show was fun, i dunno what the fuck were they thinking with the movie tho.

>>282051072
>if you didn't make blueprints of robots as a child then you aren't even human
I am scared to ask what modern children are doing/into right now. Probably some gay shit.

>>282055862
Mindlessly consuming youtube shorts and getting their brains fried by flashing lights and the instant gratification that the internet makes easy and doesn't fucking exist in real life.

>>282052442
Lmao 2 cat

>>282045610 (OP)
It had a solid beginning, middle and end and did it in only one season. This is like a lost art or something.

>>282049953
eww, todays fluid 5 fps CG fights are much better.

>>282057005
I don't entirely disagree, but hold on. Calling Escaflowne's runtime "one season" and then comparing it to modern anime is kind of a bullshit double standard. It had 26 episodes, thats 2 seasons by today's metrics.

>>282045610 (OP)
Rayearth was better.

>>282058260
elaborate

>>282057242
NTA but fair enough. It was a great run within the 2 cour format though.

>>282060130
You know, now I'm curious... what was the last anime original that got 26 or more episodes from the get go? Most anime originals are only given 1 cour to work with, and they MIGHT get a second season later but thats not the same thing as knowing you have those episodes to work with from the start. You don't write or pace things at all the same way between knowing you have 26 episodes and HOPING you have 26 episodes.

The last 2-cour anime original I can remember was Franxx. There must have been one since then, but nothing comes to mind for me.

>>282061548
Yashahime, Aquatope, Back Arrow, Kabukichou Sherlock, Carole & Tuesday

>>282061548
Dark Gathering was given 2 cours but I'm not sure it was 26 episodes.

>>282064146
Congratulations on the worst necrobump of the year.

>>282045610 (OP)
It wasnt you massive faggot.
It was garbage run of the mill shoujo with NTR b8 and romance triangle slop.
It had good animation and asthetics plus a banger ost.
Besides that nothing, shit story and characters by your standard Frieren is a masterpiece.

>>282052442
It's been like thirty goddamn years, but I still can't get past those fucking Pinocchio noses.

>>282049485
You mean the very first episode if Hitomi working up a confession for her senpai. getting waviered by a random boy shows up to fight a dragon and save, only to then later on in the show start crushing mad hard one the do who looks like quite literally her senpai, all that wasnt enough to clue them in that this some shoujo as shit?

>>282045610 (OP)
It was an inspired work by people who understood the craft and followed a strong creative vision

Watched this recently and while I did enjoy it, I thought the love triangle fell kind of flat which led to my disappointment with the ending. Allen got way too much focus and had too many plot threads tied to him so when Hitomi realized her feelings for Van by the end it felt shoehorned in. Her and Van had fewer sincere moments together so their romance wasn't satisfying.

>>282058406
NTA, but the first 25 eps of rayearth was explicitly about the girls character growth and you basically did nothing but watch them endure and overcome trials to strengthen there resolve, with Escaflowne Hitomi is just constantly pulled along for the ride, and barely has any reason to be there except be a future telling damsel for the most part.

>>282047128
In a thread a few months ago an other anon pointed that out as a urban legend. Only very early drafts had over 30 episodes planned. Yet after rewatching it recently I got the same feeling too. The individual episodes are wonderful, but it somewhat feels a bit too jumpy overall. So often there's just like a 'conflict' of the week, that gets resolved until the next 'conflict' emerges the next episode. This is all saved by the overarching narrative and the good character writing (Hitomi being the best even. 10/10 likeable), but it's uncanny how close the surface formula is to something like Sailor Moon.

Also I felt like this 20 years ago, but rekindled with the thought, that I actually like the movie more than the series. Depressed Hitomi is 11/10 waifu material. The ending also felt more satisfying there. In the series it was a real downer for her to leave Gaia.

>>282065864
I felt the same way, anon.

>>282065809
Can we get another one?

I read a long time ago Escaflowne's director liked to scream and berate people.
Clearly that's why it turned out the way it did.

>>282045610 (OP)
I bought all the VHS clamshells for this back in the day and I don't think I ever watched the second half of the series more than once. It really becomes a slog later on.

>>282049485
nigga you were being trolled or something if retards were claiming it wasnt

"I'd love to work on a game that evokes the same themes as anime series like Aura Battler Dunbine and The Vision of Escaflowne" - Hidetaka Miyazaki

>>282045610 (OP)
many shoujo are

>>282065809
Even the behind-the-scenes was full of soul

>>282071236
you did get one, kemono friends

These scenery shots are God-tier.

Something I love from Escaflowne is we see different cultures. The world feels alive and vast. Meanwhile in modern fantasy, it's all pseudo-European JRPG

>>282073389
There's a group of anons that are dead set saying this isn't a shoujo because of marketing reasons and they can't fathom girls liking giant robots

>>282055747
It still looks good and Dilandau is actually male in it.

>>282075774
Older fantasy series feel more authentic because people put effort in the direction, music and setting.

>>282077468
Old isekai is better because it's actually about the other world, rather than just a vehicle to give the mc OP powers and girls.

>>282076135
It was clearly designed to appeal to both men and women, and definitely succeeded at that, given that I've seen a lot of both men and women liking it. There were even 2 different manga, one shonen one shoujo.

>>282045896
shoujo for males is being an edgelord driving giant robots but also having sex with hot fertile female teen schoolgirls.

>>282077710
>edgelord MC
>hot fertile female teens
>mechas
yep is shoujo for males time

>>282076135
Semi-unrelated, but what kind of giant robots are girls into? Are there certain mecha designs that naturally draw women in?

>>282045610 (OP)
Still gotta watch this.

>>282045610 (OP)
Because it was old.

>>282078131
Darling in the Franxx is another mecha girls like

>>282075739
Everything except for the pacing is God tier in Escaflowne. Also it's probably THE show that makes me miss cels the most. It's almost seems like magic how good it looks.

>>282066533
it's not an urban legend. just use your mind.
>vilain's backstory is never explained. we never know how the emperor ended up in gaia. we never know how he managed to live like 300-500(?) years. he just did.
>dilandu sama turned into a girl because... reasons. it's never explained why or how.
>hitomi's power, and why it got stronger, and her pendant, is never explained.
>the people who repair escaflowne just have a GIGANTIC floating ship that can teleport, just because. never explained why or how or who they are.
>no actual ending, it just abruptly ends.

>>282081450
Maybe I phrased it badly: It's (apparantly; not like I was there) an urban legend that there were production troubles leading to these troubles and the episode count being slashed.

All the points you've raised are still VERY valid. Though I just think that the "normal" kind of bad decision-making lead to it. It's so frustration (warning food analogy incoming) to see all ingredients thoughtfully chosen and placed, just slightly carelessy prepared.

>>282081572
I think I read there was a misconception. there was always going to be 24 (or 26, I forget) episodes. they didn't "run out" like Evangelion did for their last 2 episodes. this was their budget and constrain and they used their budget accordingly and correctly.
their script and vision was, however, too big for that given amount of episodes, and that explains why all the plot holes are there.

that's me paraphrasing a reddit post which was remembering an obscure interview translated from japanese, so there has probably been some facts lost along the way though.

>>282081673
Might have been like that. I mean in the end the specific circumstances don't matter, since we both reach the same conclusion. A few more episodes giving the plot some breathing room would have perfected the series. It's still a masterwork, but it could have been an once a decade legend.

>>282045610 (OP)
The show was so grounded even the mechs don't fly.

>>282081450
>Yspano Clan
>The tribe living between dimensions. Since there is always the same number and they always look the same, they are believed to be androids made by the Atlanteans, but it’s not certain. Since they reside in the interdimensional rift, they lack the concept of time.

>They ask huge sums of money for the construction of a guymelef, it’s said the reason is to test the seriousness (* or reliability) of the ordering party. But no amount of money can convince them if it should break some of their rules (* their motive is not hoarding money). One theory calls them the protectors of Gaea (* lit. “safety device”), similar to the Draconians.

>>282066533
The rumor that it was originally planned for more episodes is not true. Kazuki Akane was asked about it in an interview and said that it was always planned for 26

>>282082099
Besides the one with the cape wings kek but there had to be an exception.

>>282075709
>that training sequence in that room

>>282084322
>This is clarified by Shoji Kawamori in the Special Edition Booklet for Escaflowne, in which he states the original pitch was 39 episodes in 1990, but this version never went into production, it was also radically different in concept and tone.
Production itself always was 26 episodes, but the original idea was for 39. God knows how different this version was, just look at Evangelion original plans and what it turned into.

>>282087397
Yes, yes, very good.

>>282045610 (OP)
Watching this series, I could really feel the moment they ran out of material to adapt and started writing their own shit to finish it.

>>282088954
>anime original
>running out of material

>>282082582
Damn, Vans brother is huge.

>>282049345
Retarded tranny.

>>282088874
Just normal combat training, nothing to see here.

>>282045610 (OP)
I wouldn't say perfect.
I mean, it's isekai to begin with so it started with a handicap and the inability to ever be perfect.
There's also how they planned for more episodes and only got the budget for 26, so they fused characters, yes, those 2 characters.
The setting and characters were engaging enough that you wouldn't really care if the story had a plot, but it certainly could have had something more grounded, not necessarily more serious because it's already fucking serious when your FMC have a heart attack and reach the frontier of death.
But something more consistent.

>>282091994
what release is this?

>>282091994
Speaking of seriousness
We don't get scene like that in anime anymore, or at least nothing come to mind.

That's my line Merle

>>282045610 (OP)

I miss these kind of shows like you wouldn´t believe.

>>282056070
I wish you didn't tell the truth about that and said
>Probably some gay shit.
like >>282055862

>>282052442
>>282056442
>28205_442
He wasn't lucky, that's all there is to it, are you lucky anons?

>>282066533
>>282081450
>>282084322
Rare are the author who would admit "sorry my show is lacking episodes". Unless it's obvious like NGE.
Just the marketing impact would be disastrous so there's probably a line in their contract about "never criticizing the show"
Professionally they just can't.

But it is obvious that Vision of Escaflowne had enough content for an extra story arc or two.

>>282075233
>behind-the-scenes
One of those day I want an anime about the ACTORS making a fantasy series of some sort.

Also you reminded me I had this.

>>282075751
>>282075611
>Dilandau faces
Dilandau faces

Damn

>>282092578
what

>>282092206
Those two dying in Folkens arms was one of the saddest moments of the series.

The last few episodes were completely retarded, but everything up to them were great.

>>282092575
>constantly mistreats his underlings
>yet they are so loyal the even come back from the afterlife to protect their boss

>>282082582
>One theory calls them the protectors of Gaea (* lit. “safety device”), similar to the Draconians.
If I could somehow rewrite Escaflowne to make it more consistent, I would have them be the one behind the "isekai", using their own Fate-prediction-machine from outside the world so as to not have closed-loop interference.
Their mission would be to ensure Gaea never do the mistake of the Draconians,
So they pick random people they calculated would result in that.
And the trouble with Durnkirk would be that they accidentally created condition in which beyond Newton smart he deduce the existence of the machine and decide to use it

Could go on the other elements'd change but who care.

>>282082582
>They lack the concept of time
>They ask for huge sums of money
It would be really funny if the reason for why it costs so much was because they were from the future. Imagine if they were only asking for the standard repair cost of their time, but forgot to take into account the inflation between the present and their future time.

>>282045610 (OP)
ESCAFLOWNASE
sniffs

>>282088954
>adapt
>>282089772
...
It IS an adaptation, but the anime was basically made at the same time as TWO distinct manga.
And oh boy it is different.
Hitomi is invoked by fusing her into a crystal, which make her the literal power source of Escaflowne (no fate in this) and sometime even have her arm sprout magic energy.
If you thought Van was childish in the anime, there he is smaller than Hitomi, swear all the time and it absolutely arrogant.
Oh and Balgus has a daughter who is the sexy kind of warrioress.

>>282092006
>what release is this?
Probably an old one I kept on my PC
>(G_P) Escaflowne 1080p
Why do you ask? The grain?

>>282092691
They know him well

>>282093240
the subs

>>282092691
>>282093277
I would also worship anyone who make me a mecha pilot, even if he burn to the ground some random kingdom
(our Emperor Dornkirk know what he is doing)

>>282091994
Speaking of the emperor, his introduction through this communicator is gorgeous.
You can contest his methods but the goal was worth it and he did, in fact, made a "starving kingdom" into a technomagic Empire of the highest order.
I would totally understand why he is venerated.

Fact:
1) floating rockship fortress are magnificent
2) this one needed the scary faces

Don't paid attention to the lowly fortune teller, Merle is the main character

>>282081212
My original question is what kind of mecha (not shows, the robots) do girls like? Do they actually like that show for the mecha?

Last one:
If your Mecha don't have its own throne in front of your banquet, you ain't paying it proper respect. I bet your mech don't even have its own choir chanting its name.

>>282093912
dumb cat

>>282049203
Holy shit

>>282093912
does she ever loaf?

Dance of Curse is now manually playing in your head.

>>282093977
>>282094166
Dubs confirm, Escaflowne is a good show.

>>282092691
he mistreats them but he doesn't allow anyone else to do the same