Thread 282082252

What percent of /a/ has actually seen space runaway ideon? Is it one of those shows that nobody has actually watched but everybody pretends is good because its a classic by Tomino?

Is this one of those schizophrenic threads created by the guy who hates zeta gundam?

>>282082289
No, the only UC title I've finished is 8th MS, and maybe G Reconguista if that counts. I'm just wondering.

Ideon is good, but you have to already like older style mecha anime to get into it. You have to be the kind of guy that can chew on Robot Romance and J9, because it is a lot of episodic fighting.
There is a weird pride people have around having seen Ideon for whatever reason when it's a normalfag show in Japan. It's not "deep" mecha or anything, and it's hardly a Dezaki work in terms of normalfag older anime. Still great to be sure, but I think it's just a persecution complex that a lot of newfags have when they start watching older anime, where they want to feel like the outsider discovering something.

You saw it with the one video that got spammed around a lot where some kids watched the first episode of some anime, and one of the ones they hated was Ideon, and like, what the fuck do you expect? It's very antiquated in its style, imagine if you sat down one day and decided to watch whatever TCM was playing on TV that day and you hadn't seen a movie made before the year 2000.

tl;dr it's good, you just need the right mindset for anime like this.

>>282082377
>There is a weird pride people have around having seen Ideon for whatever reason when it's a normalfag show in Japan. It's not "deep" mecha or anything, and it's hardly a Dezaki work in terms of normalfag older anime. Still great to be sure, but I think it's just a persecution complex that a lot of newfags have when they start watching older anime, where they want to feel like the outsider discovering something.
>You saw it with the one video that got spammed around a lot where some kids watched the first episode of some anime, and one of the ones they hated was Ideon, and like, what the fuck do you expect? It's very antiquated in its style, imagine if you sat down one day and decided to watch whatever TCM was playing on TV that day and you hadn't seen a movie made before the year 2000.
>tl;dr it's good, you just need the right mindset for anime like this.
yeah, i just wondered, why are so many people angry? Has anime breached the mainstream so hard that now 10s of millions of westerners have watched Ideon? That shit makes me a little insecure ngl

>>282082252 (OP)
Most people don't pretend to like something.
I watched it and loved it.
I wouldn't recommend it to somebody who watches trending seasonal stuff.
If you are a retrofag, then you have already heard of it and watched/dropped it.

>>282082437
I wouldn't say tens of millions, but I would not be surprised if a significant number of people have seen Ideon in some capacity, it's not exactly an unknown show. Compared to like, Evangelion and Dragon Ball, sure, it is, but if we were to tier off older mecha anime (pre-00s) in the west, Ideon wouldn't be far from the top.
It's just people wanting to feel like they're part of the in group.

>>282082252 (OP)
People only bring it up when they want to put down Anno and Evangelion because they've heard Eva ripped off Ideon. With that said, the tv series of Ideon is an absolute slog of a snorefest but the sequel movie is one of the top 10 best anime movies and retroactively makes the whole thing worth it.

>>282082252 (OP)
Has the distinction of being the first show I torrented, the subs having come out just at the time proper broadband reached my rural location, just over 20 years ago.

>>282082252 (OP)
>a classic by Tomino

>>282082437
>>282082511
Looked into a tiny bit and here's some normalfag stats from the two big normalfag logging sites.
>MyAnimeList
It is the #2 most popular anime of the year, behind Ashita no Joe 2, the most important and revered work in Osamu Dezaki's catalog.
>Anilist
Once again, second most popular behind Ashita no Joe 2.
1980 isn't exactly a big year, but Ideon is significantly higher and any older TV anime being more popular than adjacent movies from that time is significant (as a person going back to watch a movie will only need to spend about 70-90 minutes, whereas Ideon is about 16 hours long). For context, Terra e... was the most popular movie of the year (plus, it was also a year wherein a rendition of Astro Boy released, which Ideon consistently beat into third or fourth place from what I saw).

>>282082252 (OP)
Well, Dunbine is also a classic by Tomino and you don't see people give it as much praise as they do with Ideon. Take it as you will

>>282082664
That's because Dunbine can't be marketed as "The series that inspired Evangelion" (nobody says this about Raideen despite it having a far more transparent link to Evangelion btw)

>>282082663
according to MAL, only 5000 people rated Ideon, but it seems like the mass outrage on places like X was by 10000s of thousands of people. That makes me feel insecure lol. I genuinely wonder how many westerners have seen it.

>>282082716
If it makes you feel insecure, just watch the shows a lot of people don't watch.
Don't see anyone Aim for the Ace posting while getting mad at youtubers.

>>282082252 (OP)
It's a show people who hate Evangelion claim is a rip off of (they haven't watched Ideon or Evangelion)

>>282082252 (OP)
Afromuro

>>282082848
>>282082799
I mean, if its just performative outrage. I'd be fine. I use torrents, but I checked a streaming site since those are more popular. Ideon has 500k views, and demon slayer dubbed and subbed combined have 52 million views. That's despite demon slayer being newer and Ideon having 13 years to collect views and no legal streaming options. I dunno. Logically it feels like not many people watched it, but everytime I see an X post on an obscure anime with 10s of 1000s of likes, I get insecure...maybe this wasn't obscure after all.

>>282082848
It has Gendo in it.

>>282082917
Thank you for proving my point for me.

>>282082912
Newer stuff is inevitably more popular than legacy stuff.
Think about it like this, Ideon has been around for over 40 years. Anyone who cared has been able to watch it in that time.
Everyone who cares about Demon Slayer has had that time compressed down to only a few years, with new things coming out every few months, in addition to all conversation around it happening in that time.

>>282082701
Well, you can argue that evas are close to aura battlers by virtue of being a fusion of flesh and mechanical components.
That being said, the final truth is realizing that Anno was inspired by a ton of stuff because he's an otaku

>>282082252 (OP)
When does zsmbot 3 get good?

>What percent of /a/ has actually seen space runaway ideon?
1%.
The Ideon TV series isn't that good, Be Invoked is where it's at. I'd recommend starting with episode 22 because it recaps and retcons a lot from the first half. That way you get more buildup and development than A Contact but skip some of the meaningless parts.

>>282083179
When Killer the Butcher starts killing people.

>>282083200
yeah but it seems so many people on X watched it. I just wonder if its performative outrage from tourists at other tourists.

>>282083256
I don't know anything about X nor do I care abut them.

>>282083200
If you're going to skip half the show just don't even watch it at that point, you've effectively filtered yourself.

>>282083310
I rewatched the entire first half of Gaogaigar recently because I was scared I didn't watch it properly. That was like in 2006 where I actually watched FINAL first as I didn't know if I'd actually be able to download the TV on 15 kbs speed

>>282083425
That's good old monster of the week fun. Ideon isn't like that.

>>282083256
>calling it X
yeah i know the type of person you are

>>282082252 (OP)
It's one of my favorite shows. With old anime like it however you get the impression that people who post about them are mostly a handful of regulars reposting the same opinions every time, plus some people who are judging a show without watching it. Whatever.

>>282082663
Astro Boy '80 is cute but a bit boring
Ideon, Joe2, Terra e, Hi no Tori 2772 are all great
Yamato Be Forever and Baldios are cool
Botchan special is awesome
And I still have a bunch of stuff I want to watch. Muu no Hakugei just got subs. Seems like a solid year.

>>282085962
Hi no Tori felt too much like it wanted to be Fantasia when it grew up.

The trick with Ideon is that its viewership is a pyramid structured: people who saw a death compilation, people who watched Contact/Invoke alone, then people who actually watched the TV series and the movies.

To trick to identify them is to ask them how Kitty died.

>>282086073
Tezuka loved Disney and certain things are obviously callbacks to Fantasia but in a humorous way. As a whole it's completely different, and very much a Tezuka work.

I'm currently getting through Macross, I don't have time to watch another stupidly long mecha franchise

>>282082252 (OP)
Knowing what you're getting into helps a lot with Ideon. So I finished it without hassle. Xabungle had comedy so it went down well too. But Dunbine filtered me as I didn't have any feelings towards the characters, only liked the world and the mechas. So it's living in permanent on-hold for now.

>>282082664
It's not very good imo, I definitely would rank it at the very bottom when it comes to Tomino TV anime.
>>282088740
>as I didn't have any feelings towards the characters
I had the same case.

The comparisons between it and Eva are pretty far fetched, I agree. I still think Kasha could have been at least a partial inspiration for Asuka though. She really did remind me of her a lot when I watched Ideon. I've also always thought, like some people in here say, that the pacing of the series isn't very good. It felt harder to get through than Gundam 0079 for instance. Be Invoked is great though.

>>282083179
When the 人間爆弾 are introduced

>>282086361
>stupidly long mecha franchise
Ideon is a standalone show. About 40 episodes and a finale movie.

>>282082556
>>282083200
>>282088946
Be Invoked is literally the same as series.
It's episode 39 to 43 packaged as a film.

>>282088931
I think Dunbine being "not very good" is a general consensus anyway.
I personally didn't have much of a problem getting a feel for the characters, but it made it so much worse seeing them go nowhere by the end

>>282083179
Ep 4 is pretty good

>>282082252 (OP)
I really liked it!

>>282089740
Dunbine is pretty cool. The setting is fresh and the designs unique.
The main problem is that it drags on and has too many fights that end with the status quo, which is something it shares with L-Gaim, Zeta and ZZ.

>>282082252 (OP)
It didn't make much of an impression on me when I watched it for the first time but I'm rewatching it now and trying to pay closer attention to it and it's been pretty enjoyable so far

>>282089740
They rushed the return to Earth but I like Dunbine just fine. Ideon is just on another level for me.

>>282089740
Dunbine is easier to stomach than Ideon.

>>282089518
There are no episode 40, 41, 42, and 43 though. Sure, it's more or less following the intention of the series' ending prior to being cancelled I imagine but it's not just a recut of TV episodes like you're seeming to imply. Much like how End of Evangelion isn't just a recut of the last 2 episodes of its TV series. You can see a significant increase in quality between what scenes from the series they do use in Be Invoked and the new content. And the ending of the TV series is just "The Ideon has been invoked. The end".

I really liked Brain Powerd.

>>282090766
Brain Powerd needed a budget.

>>282090766
Me too

>>282083179
Never really. Towards the end some main characters start dying but it's all stupid anyway.

To put it shortly, a part of the Evangelion fandom (and deconstructionfags especially) has always been insufferable and people will say anything to make them stfu including "Evangelion is an Ideon ripoff".

>>282083179
Did you reach the human bombs yet?

>>282091141
Modern gundamtroons are worse than evatards. Well, they're the same people after all. xittertroons, ret/a/rds, /m/eddit, all fucking scum on earth.

>>282091801
>modern gundamtroons
You're delusional if you think most people into G-Witch or G-Cucks have actually bothered watching even Turn A, much less any of the Gundam series older than it. Much less Tomino's non-Gundam stuff. If you want to shit on Gundam, the better target is the people who think the OVAs are any good just because they don't actually like anime and so only want to watch the short entries in the franchise.

>>282091801
This image is retarded and so are you. You're probably brown too

>>282091884
>>282091891
hoes mad

>>282091884
0080 is the second best thing to come out of Gundam.

>>282091801
Remove all of these except Eva and witch from mercury.

>>282082252 (OP)
It is good faggot

>>282092085
This image, but unironically. The franchise is nothing without Tomino.

>>282092160
He's not implying it's not good, he's just saying it's something people pretend to like for internet cred despite never having watched it.

>>282082917

What kind of character name is kitty kitten?

>>282092203
Tomino has a peculiar way with stupid names. There's so many of them.

>>282082252 (OP)
Ideon was good, I got hooked right away. But I think the story could have been told in half as many episodes. It generally made me think of the original Battlestar Galactica.

>>282082917
While you can draw comparisons between some of these, Kitty is nothing like Rei.

>>282092105
it's a B+ sidestory at best.

>>282092085
Non-Tomino Gundam is shit except 08th, 0080 and Gquuuux

>>282096158
08th MS Team is complete trash. 0080 is the only good non-Tomino Gundam.

>>282096158
>>282096234
Tomino Gundam is shit except for Gundam III and the Zeta trilogy. Maybe the Turn A movies.

>>282096362
The opinion of someone who hates anime and so watches whatever will last the shortest amount of time is not worth listening to.

>>282096386
Encounters in Space is actually good though, primarily because the cancellation forced the story pace to increase rapidly, resulting in an actually good movie.

Zeta movies are Tomino's own retcon so if you like him then you have to submit to his will.

>>282082252 (OP)
The fact the Ideon Gauge has exactly the same sound effects as the crown gems in Minky Momo cracked me up every time.

>>282090392
>it's not just a recut of TV episodes
It quite literally is. The storyboards of those episodes were already completed before cancellation.
>like you're seeming to imply.
I wanted to say that the film follows the structure and formula of the show. We jump around from places in space, Ide going berserk, Karala suffering, Cosmo screaming passionately, Buffshits being evil and introducing their new weapon, discussion about nature and motivations of Ide, random animal shots, Lou Piper crying etc.
I was opposing the idea that Be Invoked and the tv show have some wide gulf in quality (episode structure and writing wise) when the film is following and repeating the same plot beats and formula.
>You can see a significant increase in quality between what scenes from the series they do use in Be Invoked and the new content.
no shit, it has higher budget.

>>282096608
I don't know how you don't seem to understand that what is in Be Invoked is not in the series itself. If these same events were in the series it would be just as good, but they're not and instead they put them into a movie with higher production values than what they would have been able to do in the series. I don't understand why you even brought it up in the first place as "it's episode 39 to 43 packaged as a film" is meaningless statement when episodes 40-43 do not exist. Since they had more time too they may have went back and polished what was there and rearranged some things too. Unless the storyboards are available for comparison there's no telling how similar Be Invoked is to what they had planned originally.

Maybe people feel like Be Invoked is better because it feels like a culmination while the series itself in the middle can feel repetitive. Or maybe it's just because the higher production values.

It's been a while since I've seen it, but I loved how eerie entire thing feels. The retro sci-fi aesthetic, violence, the toyetic designs crashing with overwhelming dread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uddGmQQrEIQ

>>282096234
It's the only UC OVA not to shit itself by like episode three 080 is pure kino especially after watching 079 and knowing the war is days away from being over

>>282096462
>cancellation forced the story pace to increase rapidly, resulting in an actually good movie.
no, that's the tv show.
EiS is inferior on a structural level, it's a compilation film at the end of the day. It also doesn't have Char ga Kuru and Ima wa Oyasumi as insert songs.
>Zeta movies are Tomino's own retcon
retard

>>282096608
>It quite literally is. The storyboards of those episodes were already completed before cancellation.
The episode 24's preview was created after the release of the movie. You got baited by the "watch the directors cut" mandate.

>>282097401
I am not talking about Eva.

Why did he do it bros

>>282097458
I'm retarded, apple loggies

>>282088946
The end of Eva is borderline a be invoked plagiary

>>282097574
It's a blend of it and Devilman. I can allow a blend.

>>282097574
They have basically nothing in common other than "mecha series where the world ends". This whole comparison is something someone pulled out of their ass at some point and everyone parrots without ever giving any actual reasons for why they think so. You could probably come up with an argument with a similar amount of support for saying that Eva is ripping off Char's Counterattack or Zambot 3.

>>282082252 (OP)
I care more about Pic related, what I read was Hella fun but the majority is still untranslated

>>282082252 (OP)
Be Invoked is one of the most beautiful films I've ever seen. TV is pretty bad. It's fun to see the funniest irony like the white flag stuff and nobody noticing the tracker but the plot doesn't really go anywhere and it's literally monster of the week.

I should watch more Tomino stuff but it really does feel like someone has to put him in check and other than Gundam (to a point), nobody really does for the other ones. I've been watching Dunbine and shit just acts so weird. I've mentioned it a few times but I was really thrown the fuck off when they go back to present day and his mom is like OH NO ALIENS ARE ATTACKING AND THEY'RE LIKE "SHO ARE YOU AN ALIEN????" and he' s just like "What! I was just at Byston Well." (like they would know what that fucking means). G Reco seems okay so far but there's a lot of weird cuts maybe it's because I'm watching the movie version.

>>282097574
You've never seen either. Nobody who has seen both would say this. Unless you're just incredibly retarded, which is possible.

>>282089293
Good to know I guess, I'll put in the backlog list

Ideon is a drag.
Gundam hits the ground running.
Ideon's like half over before it starts hitting its stride. There's like one or two decent episodes before that.
>>282100108
Dunbine's reverse isekai arc completely kills the show for me.

ideon is fucking good. it's episodic at first but then with each episode you found out how incredibly unhinged ideon is and no one can control that thing.

>>282082252 (OP)
I watched it, obviously because it's from another time the pace is very very slow and you have to be patient, the problem is that many things are just there for the sake of being there and other things are recycled from their previous works, they have done this very often with their other works but in this one it's very noticeable, and another thing that really annoys me is having to watch the TV version which is incomplete and the movie version which changes a lot of things, now the interesting thing is the theme of survival at all costs because a fucking cosmic robot god wants to keep existing.
P.S. I love the damn opening, I listen to it all the time.

>>282097809
>>282100285
They have the same set pieces.

>>282101443
>Uhh, the enemy invades the protag's HQ and a lot of people die so they're the same
They're all surface level similarities that you can find in dozens of anime if you look.

>>282100492
I like the concept but like most Tomino shows it feels meandering and then when stuff does happen, it's more fucking absurd to the point of what the fuck is even going on. I should really give an attempt on his other stuff but it does feel like Gundam 79 and Zeta are his best works because his staff puts him in fucking check.

>>282082252 (OP)
I've seen 0079 Gundam but haven't watched ideon is it worth a watch? I liked Gundam 0079 and thought it was pretty good having only watched it recently

>>282101907
This is funny because of the Zeta rager that says Zeta sucked because nobody put Tomino in check.

>>282102065
i vaguely know who you're talking about and I don't care to know anymore.

Tomino is unwatchable. Watch some good mecha, such as Majestic Prince.

>>282102241
>non-tomino mecha
never again.

maybe i'll try go nagai stuff

>>282102256
I recommend Aldnoah.Zero.

>>282096126
Filtered.

>it's 2025
>retards are still parroting the shitty decades old 'x needs to be kept in check' talking points.