Thread 282142036

Why is the magical girl genre filled with so much miserable suffering porn?

because funny

>>282142036 (OP)
Miserable suffering porn?

Its always struck me as a fetishistic desire to look at children in pain. The world of children and adults should be kept separated.

>>282142451
gay and wrong

Blame Madoka for popularizing the trend and shifting the entire genre to "yeah they can be girls with magic powers and shit but there has to be sinister stuff going in underneath it all".

>>282142451
You got issues, anon.

>>282142036 (OP)
Madoka was the first to do it in a way that bordered on truly grim and then a bunch of teen/adult oriented magical girl series wanted a slice of the pie. People claim Sailor Moon or Nanoha were "dark" but neither had any of the core cast actually die and stay dead whereas all the magical girls influenced by Madoka went too far and started killing off their cast left and right to the point where it became edgy.

>>282142036 (OP)
Who doesn't enjoy watching cute girls suffering?

>>282142605
and you say that in the yuyuyu thread where no one die in the og anime

>>282142036 (OP)
Cant portray heroism without breaking a few eggs.

>>282142899
Yuyuyu was edgy
World is fucked and just floating above hell
Magical girls can't die, but can lose the function of a body part
They are said to have been worshipped, but we never saw them get any preferential treatment or benefit at all. They even get bullied to suicide sometimes, like how does that make sense?

In Madoka, the girls suffer, but their suffering is within the bounds of realistic expectations.

>>282143086
>World is fucked and just floating above hell
a lie
>Magical girls can't die, but can lose the function of a body part
they recover them just by stop using the powers watch the fucking anime
>They are said to have been worshipped, but we never saw them get any preferential treatment or benefit at a
they reformed the whole school beach and cars only for mimori to have a happy life

are fucking madoka fans this retarded or what

>>282143086
>In Madoka, the girls suffer, but their suffering is within the bounds of realistic expectations

>>282143178
We have seen the show, lad
They are spent until they are husks, and everything only got asspulled

One of the plots is a magical girl who was bullied and then punished for fighting back.

Yuyuyu is just edge

>>282143303
>They are spent until they are husks, and everything only got asspulled
and someone didnt watch the anime
>One of the plots is a magical girl who was bullied and then punished for fighting back.
thanks for reading the og anime part

>>282143178
Also, Mimori is just rich
Everyone lives an ordinary life
They walk and eat street food

It excites me sexually to see magical girls, pure champions of virtue being defeated, beaten and humiliated, until their hearts break and they give up, crying, reduced to the pathetic little girls that they are

>>282142036 (OP)
>thinks edgy deconstruction shows for adults represent the entire genre
casualfag post

>>282143357
shalom

>>282142036 (OP)
Characters facing adversity is how plot happens. Easy way to raise stakes and get viewers invested is to make that adversity harsher. Do that without making your story good in other ways and you're just being lazy, but suffering isn't inherently a bad thing for a story.

>>282142036 (OP)
The magical girl genre is mostly Precure.
>>282142605
Madoka doesn't have the cast stay dead any more than Sailor Moon did. Less so counting PGSM.

>>282142899
YuYuYu would've been better if it actually committed to the Sange being permanent or if they were going to walk it back, keep some sort of lasting consequences from fighting the Vertex. The girls in the show were closer to soldiers in a war of attrition when the story revolved around Sange in S1. The writers wanted to have their cake and eat it too by trying to achieve both a happy ending but throw in edgy elements that were required of non toddler magical girl shows of the 2010s. Once the writers pussied out of that and then tried to cram the KuMeYu and NoWaYu light novels into S3, the story was beyond saving.

>>282144035
>Madoka doesn't have the cast stay dead any more than Sailor Moon did
Season 1 of Madoka had a definitive ending where everyone was dead besides Homura. Rebellion already retconned that ending by making it so that last scene of Homura fighting by herself in some distant future didn't happen (yet?). The actual end fates of the girls is TBD since the last movie isn't out. And Magia Record is just a shit gacha cashgrab that fucked with canon to remove stakes from the gacha story, if anything it's ironically also a guilty of following the same path as all the Madoka copycats.

>>282142036 (OP)
It's fun

>>282142510
Blame the audience (me included) for enjoying the concept.
It boggles my mind that some adults can watch a mahou shoujo played straight. I couldn't even get through one cardcaptor sakura episode as an adult.

>>282142036 (OP)
Yuri buff.

>>282142036 (OP)
I blame it's desperate to follow the path of boy's tokusatsu superheroes

>>282143357
Utena...

>>282142036 (OP)
Because a genre that’s so blatant unrealistic and wish-fulfillment fantasy has nowhere to go but constant deconstruction and subversion if it wants to tell an actual good story and be taken seriously.

>>282142036 (OP)
Because madoka ruined everything and precure is TOO goodie goodie, so all japs can think in are the extremes of both and no middle ground

>>282146934
That’s not utena. She wants to help them achieve a new henshin and become even stronger. She was furious at azul for becoming a literal bootlicker

>>282146054
>It boggles my mind that some adults can watch a mahou shoujo played straight. I couldn't even get through one cardcaptor sakura episode as an adult.
Well then you’ll be pleased to know that it seems even CLAMP is taking CCS through the deconstruction route by the looks of Clear Card…

Bump

>>282142510
>Blame Madoka for popularizing the trend and shifting the entire genre to "yeah they can be girls with magic powers and shit but there has to be sinister stuff going in underneath it all".
That was the Sailor Moon manga actually.

>>282147678
>seems even CLAMP is taking CCS through the deconstruction route by the looks of Clear Card…
You didn't finish the manga? It's still played straight with a happy end.

>>282142605
>People claim Sailor Moon or Nanoha were "dark"
Only the manga and maybe live-action version of Sailor Moon was dark, not really the 90’s anime.

>>282143086
lol Madokafags are funny. They want to prove that their show is better, but it couldn’t even manage the simple writing trick of making the characters likable first before diving into the dark stuff. YuYuYu managed to do that.

>>282143303
You faggot didnt watch the next season

>>282142036 (OP)
There are two different types and they're only similar on the surface.
First you have the deep and sophisticated anime that contrast cute little girls with brutal reality.
Second you have the otakuslop like yuki yuna where the girls face harsh situations just so they can prove how heroic they are.

>>282152811
>deep and sophisticated
lol

>>282152811
>implying Madoka isn’t just as much otakuslop as Yuki Yuna
lol
lmao even!

>>282154206
madoka is a deconstruction