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Anonymous No.282207483 [Report] >>282207577 >>282208377 >>282210211 >>282210305 >>282210968 >>282211016 >>282211516 >>282215274 >>282216880 >>282217646 >>282217852 >>282220270
>Black person in fiction
>Lightning powers
Anonymous No.282207577 [Report]
>>282207483 (OP)
>Character use fire
>He is easily excited.
Anonymous No.282207634 [Report] >>282219830
>character has ice powers
>why don't you CHILL OUT
Anonymous No.282207671 [Report] >>282208377 >>282208634 >>282210968 >>282213233
It is kind of weird.
Anonymous No.282207727 [Report]
Blacks are not people.
Anonymous No.282208322 [Report]
Blacks are not people.
Anonymous No.282208326 [Report] >>282214623
>character is a women
>is a healer
Anonymous No.282208360 [Report]
>chatacter has angel wings
>is beloved by female fans
Anonymous No.282208377 [Report] >>282209012 >>282215494 >>282219821
>>282207483 (OP)
>>282207671
It comes from Black lightning the first DC black super hero who was really popular and inspired many characters from him.
Anonymous No.282208634 [Report] >>282209012
>>282207671
lightning is the most urban power
Anonymous No.282208799 [Report]
Blacks are not people.
Anonymous No.282209012 [Report]
>>282208634
Which is odd in a way since for most of human history lightening would be this primordial sky power that mostly hits trees.
>>282208377
Now that is influence.
Anonymous No.282210211 [Report] >>282210836 >>282211663 >>282219468
>>282207483 (OP)

>support cast
>each one of them have cool and unique abilities
>MC
>power is punching hard
Anonymous No.282210305 [Report]
>>282207483 (OP)
>Black person in fiction
>insta dropped
Anonymous No.282210324 [Report] >>282215595
>fighting devil fruit
>user is based on a rapper
Anonymous No.282210836 [Report] >>282211663
>>282210211
This shit chaps my ass and boils my blood. The side cast of battle shounen almost universally have more interesting abilities than the main character with few exceptions. I know that a "more basic" power is easier to write conflicts for, but I want to see somewhat more complex abilities running up against encounters of similar or greater complexity.
Anonymous No.282210968 [Report] >>282212306
>>282207483 (OP)
>>282207671
Why complain? It's a top-tier power. Imagine being a woman and running the risk of getting plant or water powers.
Anonymous No.282211016 [Report] >>282217341 >>282217840
>>282207483 (OP)
>be woman in fiction
>healing power
Anonymous No.282211280 [Report]
>Mystical power somehow has "system" that is battle friendly.
Anonymous No.282211516 [Report] >>282217882
>>282207483 (OP)
niggawatt
Anonymous No.282211663 [Report] >>282212038 >>282212697 >>282212771 >>282218976
>>282210211
>>282210836
punching hard is genuinely more interesting. the "complex" power always boils down to "abracadabra I use my power to do X and win" while punching hard is the payoff for actual tactics on the protags part to get into punch hard range, do something to make it so he can punch hard without breaking his hand, ect ect. punching hard also opens up the supporting cast to actually help the MC do these things while series with a complex power turn into "MC does everything".

if you've read a series where punch hard was boring, you would be just as bored with a more complex power because instead of "I just run at them and hit them hard lol" it would just be a 200 word essay about how they gave the guy testicular torsion because the moon happened to be in retrograde while the fight was happening
Anonymous No.282211959 [Report]
>mfw read this weird LN where a womyn with OP thunder/fire/water/earth powers gaslights herself that it's a healing power if you spend 1 hour using the water to mend a wound
Anonymous No.282212038 [Report] >>282212727 >>282213035
>>282211663
This is the same complaint anyone who has never read a story about an MC with a slightly more mechanically complex ability has leveled against non-hard puncher MCs.
It does not always boil down to that. Take Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Diamond is Unbreakable. Josuke can punch hard with Crazy Diamond, but he also has the ability to "fix" things, which gets used very creatively throughout the story to enable his ability to punch hard. He runs up against similarly or more complex abilities and has to use his own creatively to win out over them.
Tactics still come into play in basically every single fight and few fights are just solved by Josuke being able to magic up a solution. Importantly, other characters still get to do plenty, so it's not like Josuke just does everything.
>if you've read a series where punch hard was boring, you would be just as bored with a more complex power
This is just a non-equivalence. A LAZY writer handling both kinds of stories would produce a boring result regardless of the the complexity of the MC's abilities, but a writer with actual skill and inspiration would be able to make a compelling fight with either. It's just that "punch harder" is overdone and I'd prefer to see an MC doing something more novel when there are already dozens of stories with MCs who can punch hard being forced to fight tactically. Let the MC have similar complexity to the other characters in the world instead of having the most basic of basic abilities.
Anonymous No.282212306 [Report] >>282217445 >>282217733 >>282217733
>>282210968
why is water always the female element?
Anonymous No.282212697 [Report] >>282213231
>>282211663
>a 200 word essay about how they gave the guy testicular torsion because the moon happened to be in retrograde while the fight was happening
FSN in a nutshell
Anonymous No.282212727 [Report] >>282213175
>>282212038
Jojo is the exception though. Even hiatusxhiatus give its protag punching hard power
Anonymous No.282212771 [Report] >>282212830 >>282213035
>>282211663
Jojo protags after Jotaro would like a word with you.
Hell, Jodio's stand can't even punch.
Anonymous No.282212830 [Report] >>282212929
>>282212771
Jojo is, again, the only exception because Araki write it with different parts I mind
Anonymous No.282212929 [Report] >>282212971
>>282212830
I can also think of Shinra in Fire Force. His power is to fly.
Anonymous No.282212956 [Report]
Blacks are not people.
Anonymous No.282212971 [Report]
>>282212929
That guy belong to the simple power protags
Anonymous No.282213035 [Report] >>282213175 >>282217715 >>282217756
>>282212038
>>282212771
all of josukes fights are just him inventing new asspull ways to "fix" things so he wins and then he punches hard. sometimes fixing pulls the broken piece towards the whole, sometimes the whole is pulled towards the piece, sometimes he perfectly recreates something, other times he can "fix" broken parts of a street into a shield instead of actually fixing the street. it's exactly what I'm talking about.

josukes most interesting fights are the ones where he can't use his fucking power at all, like the rats
Anonymous No.282213175 [Report] >>282213350
>>282212727
>Jojo is the exception
It's an exception that proves it can be done well.

>>282213035
>all of josukes fights are just him inventing new asspull ways to "fix" things
It's not really an asspull though. It's just an exploration of what it means to "fix" something. It's loose because Stands are literally just psychospiritual extensions of the user's will. "Fixing something" is just Josuke's explanation of how it works, but we see as early as Angelo, the first real fight, that "fixing" doesn't just mean returning something to its prior state perfectly. It's not an asspull just because he comes up with a new use for it.
Anonymous No.282213231 [Report]
>>282212697
This is always massively overstated and exaggerated. FSN explains very clearly and concisely why something panned out the way it did. Most people took the in-world misunderstandings of how the mechanics of Servants and the Holy Grail War work as gospel when the characters themselves are wrong about them. Most of the setup for the contest is a sham and flimsy justification to get powerful ghosts to rekill each other to power a magical reactor.
Anonymous No.282213233 [Report]
>>282207671
Dale!
Dale!
Daaaaale!
D A L E DALE!
Anonymous No.282213350 [Report] >>282213642
>>282213175
>It's loose because Stands are literally just psychospiritual extensions of the user's will.
and that's why most jojo parts are just playground fights, yes. when your power can do anything because "lol I don't know how my own power works/it evolved from my [determination]" then there's no reason to actually be invested in what's happening beyond the spectacle because araki will literally just do whatever he wants
Anonymous No.282213642 [Report] >>282214819
>>282213350
It's usually pretty well foreshadowed when a character's power has more going on than meets the eye. It's not "playground fights" just because you don't actually know the rules yet and there is literally nothing wrong with a character's abilities improving over time. You're asking for characters to remain totally static in the scope of their capabilities because you can't stand something happening that you didn't expect.
"Asspull" is often used as a substitute for "I wanted to be right about my guess for how a fight would go and am mad it turned a corner I didn't expect," and you're not beating that allegation currently.
It's not my problem if you can't be invested in a conflict without having only linear and numerical increases in character capability, but don't pretend that the only good writing is the predictable sort.
In the case of Josuke, you are shown up front that there was something more to his ability to fix things than just restoring them to a prior state, and the story played with that idea to create compelling fights with interesting solutions.
Anonymous No.282214623 [Report]
>>282208326
Jobber
Anonymous No.282214819 [Report] >>282216333
>>282213642
>I wanted to be right about my guess for how a fight would go
nah, the fights are so random there's no point in predicting. "The villain's stando created a microbe but my stand is microscope and if I tune it to this tvzzZZZZ".
It's so random that I stop being able to care what happens. There's no structure. I stopped watching at pt3. rip ripple..
Anonymous No.282215274 [Report]
>>282207483 (OP)
>sand people in fiction
>white
Anonymous No.282215468 [Report]
the solution is to have more black characters in fiction
Anonymous No.282215494 [Report] >>282217751
>>282208377
never heard of him
Anonymous No.282215578 [Report]
Blacks are not people.
Anonymous No.282215595 [Report]
>>282210324
>Logic
Anonymous No.282216333 [Report] >>282216834
>>282214819
I'm not going to engage with empty hyperbole.
Anonymous No.282216834 [Report]
>>282216333
it's only my opinion after all lol. The appeal of pt3 is just not for me.
Anonymous No.282216880 [Report]
>>282207483 (OP)
>Jews in anime : control the world, OP they destroy everything even themselves if about to be defeated.
i wonder if there is a message there?.
Anonymous No.282217341 [Report]
>>282211016
Anonymous No.282217445 [Report]
>>282212306
Associations with life and the moon.
Anonymous No.282217646 [Report]
>>282207483 (OP)
Daaaamn nigga that shit go hard!!
Anonymous No.282217671 [Report] >>282218790
>black person in fiction
>always smart, helpful, technical
LOL really breaks the immersion doesn't it
Anonymous No.282217715 [Report]
>>282213035
It's almost as if Crazy Diamond's power has multiple different applications that Josuke can use.
Anonymous No.282217733 [Report]
>>282212306
Taoism, and yeah what anon said >>282212306
Anonymous No.282217751 [Report] >>282219620
>>282215494
You may now him as Black Vulcan from the Superfriends cartoon.
Anonymous No.282217756 [Report]
>>282213035
>character using his powers in creative ways is an asspull

you're probably used to reading capeshit where characters that should be OP aren't because the writer is a dumbass that can't think of any creative ways of using their powers.
Anonymous No.282217840 [Report]
>>282211016
Al the anime healers are.mem.thogh? White mage this season, shadow healer, great cleric, wrong way to use healing magic.
Anonymous No.282217852 [Report]
>>282207483 (OP)
I don't get it.
Anonymous No.282217882 [Report]
>>282211516
Ok I got that.
Anonymous No.282218705 [Report]
>martial arts manga
>wild animals and guys that bring a gun to a fist fight are the biggest jobbers
Anonymous No.282218790 [Report]
>>282217671
Brownest post in this thread
Anonymous No.282218976 [Report]
>>282211663
It actually boils down to that hitting hard as the MC's power is easier to write for and easier to understand.
If your MC's power is more complex and has to be used creatively, you have to constantly think up new ways to use that power to prevent it becoming boring but also not go too far with it or the audience just gets lost in the wordbabble.
Your average manga is also targeted at young teens who don't want to think too much so simple is more popular due to that.

This is also why if the protagonist has magic it was often had fire magic. Easy to use, easy to understand. Stuff burns or blows up.
Anonymous No.282219394 [Report]
>Hears about how popular his manga is in america
>Adds the nigga village hidden in the ghetto
Still cant believe kishimoto did this
Anonymous No.282219468 [Report] >>282219801
>>282210211
Honestly this is why Naruto is one of the best shounen. Besides having THE best world in shounen, both Naruto and Sasuke's abilities are really unique and interesting. Sakura is the only one in the entire series who just straight up fucking sucks and isn't fun to watch.
Anonymous No.282219620 [Report]
>>282217751
Or at least Harvey Birdman
Anonymous No.282219801 [Report]
>>282219468
the last shounenshit where the MCs have unique powers flopped
Anonymous No.282219821 [Report]
>>282208377
I never connected the dots before that the only reason why Miles Morales has all basic spiderman powers + electricity is because he follows that trend
Anonymous No.282219830 [Report]
>>282207634
>character has power of raising the dead
>I GOT A BONE TO PICK WITH YOU
Anonymous No.282220270 [Report]
>>282207483 (OP)
>get burnt to a crisp by lightning
>turn black
>get lightning powers
I KNEEL NIPPON