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Anonymous No.282216757 >>282216931 >>282216976 >>282217032 >>282217241 >>282217259 >>282217278 >>282217403 >>282217976 >>282218063 >>282218735 >>282218829 >>282218859 >>282219108 >>282219789 >>282221488 >>282222922 >>282224480 >>282225444
There was no special reason romance between Shirou and Saber. I felt it was most horribly written romance that Nasu ever done.
Anonymous No.282216871
It is very easy to miss when you're a retarded ESL.
Anonymous No.282216931 >>282217506 >>282225478
>>282216757 (OP)
There was a very special reason: money. Nasu needed FSN to be an eroge because they were the only ones who gave out money at the time. Same with Tsukihime. The sex scenes and romances were terrible in that one as well.
Anonymous No.282216976
>>282216757 (OP)
Itโ€™s a multi route game retard, just choose the route you prefer based on Waifu
Anonymous No.282216979
It's a very simple reason, Shirou treated her like a woman instead of a man. Women shouldn't be fighting, Seiba. Now eat your burgers.
Anonymous No.282217032 >>282217640 >>282218859
>>282216757 (OP)
There was some justification, but it's still impossible to take King Arthur falling for an autistic japanese high schooler that she knew for a few days seriously.
Anonymous No.282217036 >>282217148 >>282217484 >>282223220
Anonymous No.282217148 >>282217182 >>282217443 >>282217907 >>282221510 >>282224072
>>282217036
What if I used my command seals to make her cum and squirt uncontrollably right there where she stands?
Anonymous No.282217182
>>282217148
Many servants would have your head if you tried that on them
Anonymous No.282217241 >>282217267
>>282216757 (OP)
Sakura x Shirou are the canonical soulmates of FSN so all it's fine op
Anonymous No.282217259
>>282216757 (OP)
that's not sakura and shirou
Anonymous No.282217267 >>282217373
>>282217241
That's fine, the romance with Saber isn't believable and Rin is too good for him anyway
Anonymous No.282217278 >>282221597
>>282216757 (OP)
Nasu said he cringe when he read what he wrote about Saber and Shirou now.
Anonymous No.282217373
>>282217267
rhin is for waver, period
Anonymous No.282217403 >>282217540 >>282217765
>>282216757 (OP)
Kill yourself. They are both stubborn autistic retards obsessed with swords and justice, perfect for each other.
Anonymous No.282217443 >>282221510
>>282217148
Magic Resistance would let her resist the first couple Command Spells, but the third one would cause her to cave despite her best efforts.
Then Lancer would walk in and kill you.
Anonymous No.282217484 >>282223030
>>282217036
>tfw no sex slaver bad end
Anonymous No.282217506
>>282216931
>Same with Tsukihime. The sex scenes and romances were terrible in that one as well.
I actually disagree, they were bad but still somewhat readable and less long-winded than F/SN
Anonymous No.282217540 >>282217565
>>282217403
>enabling and reaffirming shiro's worst tendencies
>our ideals match we should fuck
Anonymous No.282217565 >>282218141
>>282217540
>enabling
Anonymous No.282217640
>>282217032
She should have been more used goods through yuri with Guinevere
Anonymous No.282217765 >>282217794 >>282221377
>>282217403
>obsessed with swords and justice
Wrong.
Anonymous No.282217794 >>282221377
>>282217765
Yeah I know but it's funny
Anonymous No.282217907
>>282217148
That's quite literally the only thing I know about fate from reading the hentai of it
Anonymous No.282217957 >>282218353 >>282221656 >>282222276 >>282223048
>takeuchi and nasu ask urobuchi to write fate/zero over and over again
>urobuchi finally agrees to write an official canon prequel
>nasu writes the outline and proof-reads every chapter
>takeuchi designs the characters
>nasu scraps some of urobuchi's ideas such as waver adopting an assassin and sakura killing kariya
>nasu pitches the fate/zero light novel to aniplex / sony / ufotable as a dark gritty anime following kara no kyoukai's anime
>fate/zero becomes a smash hit and aniplex want a fate mobile game built on the hype of fate/zero
>nasu later declares fate/zero as non-canon and just an AU spinoff
>FGO is built on the hype that fate/zero started, which is now considered non-canon

What did Nasu mean by this
Anonymous No.282217976
>>282216757 (OP)
I ship Saber with Unlimited Blade Works Shirou
Anonymous No.282218063
>>282216757 (OP)
ponos, vagoo, jam it in, etcetera
Anonymous No.282218141 >>282218280 >>282221681
>>282217565
>you...you're just like me!
i hated this overplayed shit so much in the fate universe. typical sign of a hack writer.
Anonymous No.282218280 >>282221255
>>282218141
Hey, Kishimoto built a multibillionaire career with that trick
Anonymous No.282218353
>>282217957
FGO is also non canon to FSN
Anonymous No.282218735 >>282220606 >>282225620
>>282216757 (OP)
Fate is just amwf propaganda.
>FSN has female king Arthur give her virginity to a Japanese high school boy
>Medea instantly forgets her marriage to the Greek hero Jason to get bred by a Japanese kungfu wobbly fist master
>Medusa gets wet thinking about Japanese dick
>Tohsaka ancestor implied to have married and impregnated an Edelfelt Sister from the 3rd Grail War
>Kotomine's white wife literally dies trying to fix him
>FZ has a prestigious German family hire a Japanese mage to impregnate their crown jewel, he also happens to have a devout assistant who happily serves as his stress relief
>FApoc has the queen of ancient kingdom fall in love with a literallywho Japanese
>FE has a Roman empress fall in love with a Japanese boy
>FGO goes hard with this, Japanese teenager/college student/shota is sought after by female knights, goddesses, witches, queens/empresses, etc.
Anonymous No.282218829
>>282216757 (OP)
>still not following you here
Anonymous No.282218859
>>282216757 (OP)
>>282217032
The reason was she was deflowered by him.
It's not complicated.
Saber was willing to sacrifice her virginity for a chance at the grail. Once she does so pair bonding kicks in and she starts feeling feelings she never felt before so she succumbs to them. It's a perfectly understandable romance
Anonymous No.282219108 >>282220606
>>282216757 (OP)
It only really makes sense when one understands that they always dreamed about each other and Shirou had Seiba's sheath in his soul. Time and space retroactively rewrites itself in Nasuverse so once these two became bonded it was a permanent destiny.
Anonymous No.282219789
>>282216757 (OP)
>I felt it was most horribly written romance that Nasu ever done.
you forgot sakura
Anonymous No.282219795 >>282221283
Anonymous No.282220063 >>282221507 >>282225640
Uncontested list of Nasu's best stories

>Kara no Kyoukai 5 Paradox Spiral
>Tsukihime Arc and Ciel Route (two sides of the same coin)
>Tsukihime Hisui and Kohaku route (two sides of the same coin)
>Fate UBW Route
>Fate HF Route
>CCC Gil route
>LB6

Uncontested list of Nasu's worst stories

>Melty Blood
>Fate Saber route
>Most of Extra
>Most of FGO
>Extella
>Last Encore
Anonymous No.282220606 >>282221584
>>282219108
Never thought about it that way, that's kinda neat.

>>282218735
Yeah it gets more explicit the further the series went, but I remember reading an actually pretty convincing schizopost on here about Shirou actually being a racial foreigner. Him being a redhead combined with some apparent mistranslated stuff/it just doesn't come through in English about him being an "other" and shit like that. Also that he's pretty fucking tall as an adult being a cunt's hair below 6'2 (monstrously tall for a Jap).
Anonymous No.282221255
>>282218280
lol, but it was handled well there, not here.
Anonymous No.282221283 >>282221337
>>282219795
Why's he got arms like a gorilla?
Anonymous No.282221337
>>282221283
Because it was Takeuchi's divine VISION.
Anonymous No.282221377 >>282221471 >>282221490
>>282217765
>>282217794
How is it wrong?
Anonymous No.282221471
>>282221377
Saber isn't obsessed with swords or justice. That's Shirou's thing.
Anonymous No.282221488 >>282221637 >>282224039
>>282216757 (OP)
soldiers fuck and fight. itโ€™s not in character to be a prude.
As time went on she came to respect Shirous killing ability, which made her appreciate him as a man
Anonymous No.282221490
>>282221377
Their idea of justice is simply saving everyone at the expense of themselves, although for Artoria that only includes her people and she took a more pragmatic approach to it. Shirou loves all weapons in general from a technical viewpoint, and Artoria is more passionate about swordsmanship than swords specifically.
Anonymous No.282221507 >>282221578
>>282220063
>putting UBW in the league of HF
Lmao
Sakura may be a shit heroine but the Route is 100x better than UBW.
>CCC Gil route
CCC's routes are all good. CCC in general is the best part of Extra.
Anonymous No.282221510 >>282221589 >>282221621 >>282222559
>>282217148
>>282217443
Lancer couldn't resist Kirei telling him to LTG himself in the VN, but Zero says Arturia no sold two command seals before Excaliburing the grail. Is the difference due to Arturia having exceptional magic resistance and Lancer being average in that regard? I doubt that it's because he lacked willpower or an intent to live.
Anonymous No.282221578 >>282222510
>>282221507
>Sakura may be a shit heroine but the Route is 100x better than UBW.

Explain? UBW has the highest highs of the VN
Anonymous No.282221584 >>282222722
>>282220606
The only evidence people can genuinely claim for him maybe being a foreigner of sorts is that he and his family used to live in the westernized business district of Fuyuki that burned down at the end of Zero. But since Fate is a Japanese VN this is exceedingly unlikely, and people in the VN would probably comment on him looking sort of different. Though Tohsaka is canonically a quarter gaijin and nobody brings that up ever aside from one scene in HA as a setup to Luvia going on a racist tirade against the japanese.
Anonymous No.282221589 >>282221624 >>282222559 >>282222583
>>282221510
The knight classes all have inherent magic resistance, intentionally to fuck over caster as part of the imbalanced system to favor the the three families over outsiders. Saber has the highest magic resistance, and Arthur has extreme resistance herself. There really isn't any other major example of a servant resisting a direct command seal. Gil couldn't. Nasu's Heracles maybe could, but FSF Heracles couldn't at all.
Anonymous No.282221597
>>282217278
When did he say that?
Anonymous No.282221621
>>282221510
Even single ranks in a skill or stat can create orders of magnitude difference. It really was just having higher Magic Resistance.
Anonymous No.282221624
>>282221589
Wow...Arturia big stronk.
Anonymous No.282221637
>>282221488
>soldiers fuck and fight. itโ€™s not in character to be a prude.
Yet Saber acts like a demure virgin so that's a worthless point you are making.
The simply explanation is that Nasu is a hack writer.
Anonymous No.282221656 >>282224263
>>282217957
>nasu later declares fate/zero as non-canon and just an AU spinoff
It always was. He says even in the earliest interviews about it that Zero is just a version of the events of the 4th HGW. It contradicted the VN in multiple places to begin with.
Anonymous No.282221681
>>282218141
It's kino, retard.
Anonymous No.282221703
VN Rin can make Sherou take a geas to never fight as a bad end in the VN. Did she actually know the original spell or did she simply call some sort of basic mage contract spell a geas? Could magi mind control people into accepting shitty geases?
Anonymous No.282222276
>>282217957
Every piece of lore in FSN is non-canon and subject to change depending on how Nasu feels at any given time
Anonymous No.282222510 >>282222634
>>282221578
>highest highs
All the talk of FSN is mostly HF. What are you talking about?
>worms
>Rin's defenseless anus
>Can you keep up with me?
>Nine Lives Blade Works
>Kyrie Elesion
>Kirei's whole story
>Sparks Liner High
>Mind of Steel
Anonymous No.282222559 >>282222672
>>282221510
>>282221589
Now it's stated that by burning 3 Command Seals together, it will force the servant to do anything and they won't be able to resist it.
Anonymous No.282222583 >>282222631 >>282222672
>>282221589
wait gil couldnt?
Anonymous No.282222631 >>282222646 >>282222885
>>282222583
Pretty sure Gil could. But CSing him without a good reason can kill you.
Tokiomi surviving that long against him after the 1st CS is a miracle.
Anonymous No.282222634 >>282222687
>>282222510
>Can you keep up with me?
>Nine Lives Blade Works

They're a continuation of what UBW started, being the best route.

>Rin and Archer prologue
>Archer vs Lancer
>Rin and Shirou fighting at school
>Rider plucking out Shirou's eyes and orgasming
>Shirou's defect
>Caster and Kuzuki's whole story
>Shirou projecting swords for the first time
>Archer betraying Rin
>Caster stealing Saber
>Gilgamesh vs Berserker
>Shirou vs Archer
>Shirou vs Gil being the peak of fate
>London epilogue
Anonymous No.282222646 >>282222733
>>282222631
Gil only allowed Kirei to betray Tokiomi after he was told that Tokiomi was planning to force Gil to kill himself
Anonymous No.282222672 >>282222885
>>282222559
Of course, but the vast majority of servants can't even resist 1.

>>282222583
He couldn't, and he detested the idea of command seals. You can argue he might have been able to resist if he really tried, but he never really tries at anything. And he probably wouldn't want to look like a struggling bitch in front of the other servants. You can also argue he could resist long enough to quickly kill you, but just temporarily. It's how Nasu writes everything.
Anonymous No.282222687 >>282222708
>>282222634
>that list
Lmao
I forget UBWfags are Anime-onlys. I'm not bothering.
Anonymous No.282222708
>>282222687
UBW unveils the selfish in the selfless Shirou, and the selfless in the selfish Rin. Yin and Yang. They complete each other. The central theme of FSN is that love can heal and save anyone, and no route explores this better than UBW.

HF on the other hand features a romance that repeats some of the beats of UBW, but executed in an inferior fashion. The point is that the events of the route force Shirou to contemplate the way that he enjoyed Sakura's presence due to her providing the minimal amount of human interaction he needed for him to maintain the illusion that he *doesn't* need it, that he doesn't want to be happy, and that becoming an inhuman machine is something he truly desires. But in recapitulating and consequently further elaborating on this theme, the narrative just provides an inferior iteration of the dynamic already explored with Rin, because Shirou's interactions with Rin make him realize how uncomfortable he is at finding Rin so much fun to be around *immediately*. Rin and Shirou have excellent chemistry, and their interactions are a joy to observe, while Sakura and Shirou have no real dynamic whatsoever -- it's a relationship defined by plot contrivances and the circumstances the characters find themselves in. In UBW, Rin and Shirou proactively attempt to help the other -- plot contrivances may provide fertile soil for their interactions, but fundamentally the essence of the narrative is found in their intrinsic clash of personalities, the narrative and its contrivances merely accentuating and catalyzing the interactions; in HF, the romance is driven entirely by the plot. Shirou's conundrum in HF is not prompted by an inner conflict spilling over into a conflict with Rin (and Archer), but by Zouken's posing threat to Sakura.
Anonymous No.282222722
>>282221584
I don't really think it's true, but he made some really good points that made it interesting. I wish I had saved it, I only saw it once. I've never seen anyone else has ever mention it or post a screencap of it.
Anonymous No.282222733 >>282222816 >>282222866
>>282222646
I'm honestly surprised Gil didn't know how the ritual is done.
Tokiomi already ruined his mood twice; the first command seal and wasting his GoB and wanting him to Ea Gilles.
Anonymous No.282222816 >>282222833 >>282223029
>>282222733
>I'm honestly surprised Gil didn't know how the ritual is done.

None of the Servants did. Gil finds out first hand because he is bathed in the mud.

In the context of Fate/Zero, only Irisviel, Tokiomi and Zouken knew the truth.
Anonymous No.282222833 >>282223034
>>282222816
Doesn't Medea find out in UBW?
Anonymous No.282222866 >>282223029
>>282222733
Tokiomi minmaxed everything in his favor but still sucked. He was too stupid to see just how absurd Gil was, and too much of a bitch to push his advantage especially with Gil himself eager to fight. His entire strategy with assassin was a waste of that servant too. Literally doing nothing would have been better, he probably would have won in the very first fight.
Anonymous No.282222885
>>282222631
>>282222672
wait lads its been too long what happens?
Anonymous No.282222922 >>282222962 >>282223089
>>282216757 (OP)
Romance?
Nasu just wanted to cum inside king Arthur for some reason.
Anonymous No.282222962
>>282222922
Ijust want to cum inside king Arthur for some reason.
Anonymous No.282222971 >>282223020 >>282223504
What we know about Illya's route

>Nasu confirmed that Ilya's bird familiars were from the draft

>Nasu: If it's at the land that houses the Holy Grail, then Ilya is indeed that strong. And being able to make a familiar from her hair was in the original draft. The work this time around was especially hard, so I ended up using an "Iri's replacement" approach. By the way, the name of the technique is Elfen Lied [German for Elves' Song, ๅคฉไฝฟใฎ่ฉฉ - Angel's Poem]. The bird's name is Storch Fieseler [German term for a type of plane].

>Takeuchi confirmed that Shirou would have a sex scene with Leysritt and Sella

>At the initial concept stage, the only details we had hammered down about these two maids were their names, their general roles (powerhouse/teacher) and which one would become Illya's Dress of Heaven. We only expanded on these characters when we decided to go ahead with "hollow". Normal homonculi are mostly emotionless like Leysritt, so that illustrates what a unique case Illya is. Leysritt was created as a sample of Illya, and Sella was allowed to live only because she was useful as Illya's tutor. That's about the extent of the specifics we initially had for these characters. When I started writing Sella's part in "hollow", however, she quickly became one of my favourite characters. I like Leysritt too, of course. By the way, I think Sella is the only real tsundere character in "Fate". (laughs)

>Shirou losing his arm protecting Ilya, the two shopping and her singing, BRING ILLYA BACK, and Nine Lives Revolver were also planned for Illya's route

>Shirou was going to drop his ideal to make amends for Kiritsugu's sins in Illya's route, while the Sakura route focuses on him breaking free of Kiritsugu and becoming his own person. Also, Rin was likely going to become a villain after killing Sakura and going mad in the Illya route to complete the pattern of how each heroine is a villain in some route

>Zouken was the final boss
Anonymous No.282223020
>>282222971
it's a shame that fgo succeeded so we will never ever get an Illya route.
all ages money too good.
Anonymous No.282223029
>>282222816
Gil has the bullshit NP of seeing the future.
>>282222866
Tokiomi's strategy was actually good. If he didn't summon Gil.
Like with Achilles and Karna in Apo, he could probably stomp everyone in a day.
Anonymous No.282223030
>>282217484
REALLY cute saibah butt
Anonymous No.282223034
>>282222833
She jobbed out before she got a chance iirc.
Anonymous No.282223048
>>282217957
>nasu later declares fate/zero as non-canon and just an AU spinoff
literally never happened
Anonymous No.282223089
>>282222922
>Nasu
That's Takeuchi, you dolt.
Nasu's into giant voring women.
Medb, Kiara, Aurora. Evil women are his favs.
Anonymous No.282223123 >>282223131
what about that old rumor that Nasu is a woman?
Would explain a lot
Anonymous No.282223131
>>282223123
Nasu is a married man
Anonymous No.282223220 >>282223543
>>282217036
top pic is way better
Anonymous No.282223396
cute king
cute couple
Anonymous No.282223504 >>282223564
>>282222971
>By the way, I think Sella is the only real tsundere character in "Fate". (laughs)
What about Rin?
Anonymous No.282223543 >>282223585 >>282223593 >>282223804
>>282223220
What's the difference? I don't know if it's the same, or there's a minuscule difference in the lighting.
Anonymous No.282223564 >>282223665
>>282223504
Rin is one third bitch through her conceptual descent from Aoko, one third "easily embarrassed" moe appeal, and one third "doesn't suffer fools easily".

Sella, on the other hand, is pure tsundere.
Anonymous No.282223585
>>282223543
Way to out yourself as a phone user. The top image is significantly higher resolution.
Anonymous No.282223593 >>282223627 >>282223804
>>282223543
top: doki's release
bottom: tenrai
Anonymous No.282223624
Anonymous No.282223627 >>282223804
>>282223593
Ohoho, I remember that thread.
Anonymous No.282223665 >>282223732
>>282223564
>"doesn't suffer fools easily".
First time I've seen this expression.
Anonymous No.282223732
>>282223665
I know it should hav been "doesn't suffer fools gladly", but it's late and I'm tired, okay.
Anonymous No.282223804
>>282223627
>>282223593
>>282223543
We need DEEN remux.

>Kara no Kyoukai BD REMUX
https://nyaa.si/view/1828314

>Fate/Zero BD REMUX
https://nyaa.si/view/1804578

>Fate/stay night [Unlimited Blade Works] BD REMUX
https://nyaa.si/view/1890595

>Fate/EXTRA Last Encore BD REMUX
https://nyaa.si/view/1985027
Anonymous No.282223884 >>282224055 >>282224637
Anonymous No.282223914
Anonymous No.282224039
>>282221488
>As time went on she came to respect Shirous killing ability,
But he's against killing?
Anonymous No.282224055
>>282223884
While this artwork is pretty damn nice, I can't help but be bothered by the artist drawing her twice as busty as she is supposed to be canonically. Even for Rin that would be too generous a bosom.
Anonymous No.282224072
>>282217148
Based on this explanation /a/, what is the diameter of Sabers urethra?
Anonymous No.282224263 >>282224473
>>282221656
>It contradicted the VN in multiple places to begin with.
How so?
Anonymous No.282224473
>>282224263
To name a handful
>Kirei not already understanding his nature and needing Gil to basically drag it out of him
>the extent of Kiritsugu and Saber's interactions
>Stay Night implies Saber was summoned in Fuyuki in the same shed that Shirou summoned her in
>Saber not knowing Illya as a result
>Kiritsugu and Kirei's final battle taking place in a different location
>Saber seeing Kiritsugu shoot Kirei to death
>Saber's prior battle with Gilgamesh
There are a couple other minor references that paint Kiritsugu himself differently.
Anonymous No.282224480
>>282216757 (OP)
Read the VN.
Anonymous No.282224597
/a/ who is the better character?

GArcher or Kotomine (haha no bias)
Anonymous No.282224637
>>282223884
DEEN's style for fate still works for me
Anonymous No.282225444
>>282216757 (OP)
It's no wonder you feel that way, since even Nasu and Urobuchi shit on Shirou x Saber (Urobuchi thinks Rin is the true heroine, and Nasu states that Shirou x Sakura is the only pairing where they truly accept all of each other rather than blindly chasing their ideals).
Anonymous No.282225478
>>282216931
>still posting this nonsense
You're doing it on purpose at this point.
Anonymous No.282225620 >>282226741
>>282218735
>female king Arthur give her virginity
Didn't she say she had experience or something like that?
Anonymous No.282225640
>>282220063
Hollow Ataraxia is peak Nasu.
Anonymous No.282226741
>>282225620
Afaik that line in particular was a mistranslation and the meaning was more like "even someone like me can figure out how to physically make a man feel good". Although supplementary material explains that Merlin turned Arturia into a futa for the purpose of impregnating Guinevere and sire an heir, but Morgan "stole her sperm" and used that genetic material to create Mordred. So I suppose you could say that Arturia has SOME sexual experience... as a man.