Thread 282275679

The writer of the Bocchi the Rock said that she deliberately toned down the sex appeal and fanservice from the original manga. She said that she feels that stories devalue themselves when they "sexually exploit characters meant to be minors for views", and that "fans are free to do whatever they want but that she doesn't like when the official side does it." She says that if a show wants to be big and popular then "sexual exploitation" just becomes noise that could turn off the audience. For example, there is a scene in manga where Bocchi is naked in the bath that's portrayed as sexy, but in the anime she made her wear a swimsuit and turned the scene into cartoon comedy. "Sex appeal is not the selling point of Bocchi, so it doesn't need it."
https://kai-you.net/article/93374/page/2
Do you agree with her, /a/?

>>282275679 (OP)
she's wrong for a different reason. I protest censorship done out of the artist choice or control. If they want to change their shit for whatever reason it's still stupid, but it was still their choice at least.

>>282275679 (OP)
The script writer of the anime to be precise

>>282275679 (OP)
Was blaming KishiBa for banning bikinis from anime wrong? Pic rel is Kishida Fumiko having scissors deck. But Chud Asakura transformed into fat ouja and assassinated him for censoring anime.

It's so over

>>282275679 (OP)
she's right you know

>>282275768
But Ishiba who has banned bikinis from anime has resigned due to Aso Taro being angry about censoring anime. Will next PM normalize anime by returning bikinis and pantyshots to anime again? Hope Kobayashi or Shinjiro became PM to decensor anime, succeeding Abe's will of freedom.

Industry shills will still pretend that censorship in anime doesn't exist.

>>282275679 (OP)
Why not right your opinion first instead of being a click baiting bitch

>>282275679 (OP)
>The seriousness of the problem is clear, especially in the case of works that depict teenage girls, such as "Maebashi Witches," which, if applied to real life, would amount to sexual exploitation of minors.
Pulling the "sexual exploitation of fictional characters" card. Ding!
>"In the original manga, Hitori-chan (the main character, Goto Hitori) is naked in the scene where she takes a bath, but in the anime she is in a swimsuit. If depictions like that were the selling point of Bozaro, that would be fine, but I don't think that's the case, and I thought that depictions like that would be distracting when aiming for dominance."
Unabashed defense of censorship. Ding!
>She strongly denied that "people don't talk like that in real life," including scenes where "girls comment on each other's breast size," and had thought that such scenes were common and casual in anime, but Yoshida Erika declared that "unless that's the selling point of the work, it's just noise."
Disrespecting the original work, claiming that elements that are personally unpalatable are noise. Ding!
When are people going to wake up and realize that Japan is rotten from the core just like the West? These same sentiments are held half the world over.

>>282275821
Censorship in anime didn't exist when Abe was PM.
But Kishida and Ishiba has banned bikinis from anime. That's why no anime this season have bikinis.
(kanokari and grand blue are ugly hags so doesn't count) and That's why Kimipri has no swimsuit ep which was tradition of precure and even dog had....

>>282275679 (OP)
No need for the thread, we all already agreed that Bocchi the Censored is shit.

>>282275831
But did censorship in anime exist when Abe was PM? Ishiba has resigned and new PM will decensor anime as Aso Taro kicked ishiba away due to bikini ban from anime. No anime this season has bikini due to ishiba banning bikinis from anime. But New PM will decensor anime and return bikinis and panties to anime!!

>>282275862
Kishida ordered them to censor anime. No anime was censored during Abe cabinet. No wonder why Aso Taro is angry about Kishida and Ishiba for being feminists who bans bikinis from anime.

>>282275862
This thread is useful because it's a direct confirmation of anime being censored at the source. Whenever someone claims that's a conspiracy, just point them here.

>>282275884
So did anime got censored from source when Abe shinzo was PM? Hope Shinjiro has decensored anime just like Abe cabinet.

>>282275900
I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if it occurred during Abe's second term, but I don't keep record of what's censored and what isn't. Maybe another anon is better at record-keeping than I am.

>>282275679 (OP)

>cries about sexually exploitation
>is a cartoon
>is a regular ass bathing scene

These retards aren't dying fast enough.

real sexual exploitation would be the band members having to blow club owners' for a chance to perform on-stage. but japan veers away from that, not even the genius managaka Aka was willing to commit to showing the gritty side of the industry by having all the actresses spreading their legs for yakuza producers. I think the one shitty actor guy was fucking his producer, though. he knew what got him roles and it wasn't his bad acting!

>>282275862
Any Japanese gacha which is censored? Uma gets bikinis every year while BA and nikke lack bikinis.

>>282275679 (OP)
Women don't get it and will never get it.
Until you try to take their BL or pretty boys away. If every male character looked like this then they'd speak up.

>>282275849
>Censorship in anime didn't exist when Abe was PM
Yes it did

>>282275679 (OP)
>For example, there is a scene in manga where Bocchi is naked in the bath that's portrayed as sexy, but in the anime she made her wear a swimsuit and turned the scene into cartoon comedy.
The problem is that nobody goes in the bath wearing a swimsuit so that scene was just nonsensical for the sake of censorship.

>>282275679 (OP)
The scriptwriter is right. No need to put sexuality into a show about innocence and anxiety

>>282276076
>nobody goes in the bath wearing a swimsuit
that just tells me you haven't met enough weirdos in your life

Bocchi won

I think writers can write whether they want.

>>282276148
yes... so they should've respected the original mangaka's vision

>>282275679 (OP)
She's fucking retarded and should get raped
Who does she think she is, censoring the work of another?

>>282276148
She's not the mangaka

>>282275679 (OP)
Isn't Bocchi's mangaka also a woman? lol

>>282276177
That's actually not the conclusion.

>>282276224
Ok, do we rage about FMA 2003 now?

>>282275679 (OP)
I don't really care about this, but Hamaji's the one who originally whored out Bocchi, so blame it on her, not the fans or "muh exploitation of minors".

>>282275821
It's not censorship. She's in charge of the adaptation and she's making these changes of her own artistic will. You can disagree with her but it's not censorship.

>>282276295
1) That was 22 years ago, what would be the point?
2) Most people agree Brotherhood is better, retard
3) That wasn't done out of censorship or feeling like they knew better than the mangaka, but a lack of source material

>>282276278
>people can write whatever they want
>except when someone else thinks what you wrote was incorrect and changes it
is that what you meant?

>>282276320
How is it not censorship? She's literally removing something from the original work for retarded reasons and she is not the author

>>282276332
I think the mangaka can write whatever she wants in the manga. Ditto for anime.

>>282275740
Oh well that's good to know at least

>>282276347
Retard. I hope you experience someone trampling over your work some day.

>>282275679 (OP)
I hope she doesn't return for season 2 if she's really this retarded

>>282276354
Cool. See you when there's more panties and boobs in the anime and you require them to be removed.

Where do these types even crawl out from? I was under the impression jap women weren't this retarded (yet)

>>282275679 (OP)
based writer

>>282276364
Except that's not what's happening
Also
>equating amping up to censorship

>>282275679 (OP)
You guys should be thanking this person for making a shit 4koma series something interesting

>>282275679 (OP)
That's why the anime is better.

>>282276364
Right, because adding more fanservice is exactly the same as removing all fanservice

>>282276412
That's not the source material retard, that's some shit director thinking they know better

>>282276370
Japanese women have always been extremely jealousy-ridden.

>>282276397
Why does 4koma filter low IQs? Do they need haphazard shonen paneling like they need flashing lights to keep their attention?

>>282276392
If the manga contains no fanservice it would be rather disrespectful.

>>282276397
Nope, we thank Saitou Keiichirou for making Bocchi the Rock what it is, not this hack of a screenwriter.

>>282276418
What's your point then?

>>282276364
That actually can be a problem sometimes. The Yozakura Quartet remake for example

>>282276436
Then an argument can be made about it being an innaccurate adaptation or even disrespectul, whatever, but that's still not the same as censorship

>>282275679 (OP)
OH NO NO NO NO AHAHAHAA

>>282276448
How many episodes did she work in anyway? Maybe she's a total nobody who "only" ruined a single episode or two

>>282276462
Gay

>>282276473
You have to prove removing nudity is censorship and not an artistic choice first.
And adding fanservice is also fine but bikinischizo wouldn't give a shit.

Nothing is censorship ever!

I think adaptations are supposed to adapt the source material and not try to create a new spin that deviates too much from the original experience.

>>282275884
it is censorship when decided by others, not by the author

>>282276566
Based on some personal ideological thing too

>>282276502
>You have to prove removing nudity is censorship and not an artistic choice first.
Stop being retarded
How much more explicit than "durr this is sexual exploitation of minors" as her reason for doing it does it need to be?

>>282275679 (OP)
On one hand, that scene is too dumb to be sexy, so her naked body really is just noise. On the other hand, wearing a swimsuit in a bathtub is dumb. Then again, it being dumb goes well with the scene being dumb. However, "muh minors" and "muh child-friendliness" are huge red flags.

Something being "noise" or ""unnecessary"" (by completely subjective metrics) isn't a good reason or justification for removing something, might as well remove the whole gag or anything that doesn't relate to playing in a band

Why do writers and artists jave to act prudish even though they know the characters will be sexualized in fanart anyway

>>282276650
Mangaka will always be the first one to sexualize their characters.

>>282276603
>are huge red flags.

Because they're obviously just excuses. The problem no matter what is the main character of a series having large breasts or something and possibly seen as attractive while also remaining a sympathetic character.

It's hard to even call it that fanservicey or sexy to begin with. Hamaji is just less insecure.

>>282275679 (OP)
>sexual exploitation of minors
Who allowed this freak to work on anime? She clearly despises the medium.
Luckily she doesn't seem to work on a lot of anime.

>>282276572
Anon censorship is still censorship even if it was done by the person who made it

Self-insert slop for ""quirky"" normalfags.

>>282275679 (OP)
>The writer of the Bocchi the Rock
>Actually just a script writer, not even the director or any of the episode directors or the animation director
>go to the article, it doesn't say she made it that way, it says she had to
op shit the bed so bad

>>282276739
Forced changes is blantant censorship, "Censorship" by the original artist only if she admits that it was changed because of outside parties.

>>282276737
She is in a lot, Dramas and anime. Hope she gets more writing gigs.

>>282276799
Self censorship exist Anon and it was 100% done because of the Studio telling her to

>>282276819
First of all, who the fuck cares about drama? Also no she doesn't and that's good https://anidb.net/creator/28427

>>282275679 (OP)
Should've kept the fanservice to filter out the western redditoids who don't even buy BDs.

>>282276650
Because they are the ones who have the final say on how a character behaves in canon. Anything else is just fan interpretation.

>>282276737
>anime is when I condone being a nonce
Keep yourself contained, freak

>>282275679 (OP)
women amirite

>>282275679 (OP)
I don't get it? Basically "It's okay when I do it but not anyone else, not even my own series' anime"

>>282276979
Do us a favor and kys you reddit freak.

>>282277019
Reverse, "It's ok when others do it, but I will not do it"

>>282275679 (OP)
>Scriptwriter speaks out about the harmfulness of anime and expression
Cancer from the very title, literally rejecting freedom of expression.
>They may be drawings, but they're still minors
holy shit
>It would be fine for works that use such imagery as a selling point, but BtR is not like that, so I felt that it would just be noise.
See, this is why anime has gone to shit in the past 10 years. There's too much of a clear line separating clean anime and ecchi anime. There's no more casual fanservice. And it's all the fault of women in the industry.

Praying she gets canceled by otakus

>>282277537
>There's too much of a clear line separating clean anime and ecchi anime.
Anon did you forget all the anime that's just borderline porn like that Magical Girl one or the Monster girl one

>>282275679 (OP)
I agree with them, women really shouldn't wear anything other than hijab, it's inappropriate

>>282275679 (OP)
Does that mean BtR threads will get plagued by mentally ill schizos now (and I don't mean the Kita posters)?

>>282277707
That's exactly the ecchi anime that I'm talking about.

>>282275679 (OP)
Anime was better without giant tiddies, and it was great joke when she was with tits in maid uniform, like somebody decided there should be fanservice in fanservice episode. Now I hate bocchi arts, because everyone draws giant tits, like in manga, ignoring anime design, which gave this title popularity.

>>282277758
>>282277707
>>282277537
It's because people these days don't know how to give T&A without it being porn

>>282277707
That's exactly what he was complaining about smoothbrain. It's either softcore porn or sterile garbage nowadays. 99% of "normal" works censor nipples for example, only hard ecchi shows are allowed to show them anymore.

>>282277820
Please, kys

>>282276789
She's not just a scriptwriter; she's the head scriptwriter/series composition for the anime adaptation. She supported the decision.
https://anidb.net/creator/28427
Furthermore, even if this was a totalitarian decision from the director or studio execs, this has gone to show how power and enforced restrictions lead to creators internalizing the justifications. This will only promote further censorship. There is a real-world normalization of fiction censorship and fiction restrictions as tolerable.
Lastly, the studio for the anime adaptation is a subsidiary of Sony Music Entertainment Japan. Since 2018, Sony's PlayStation branches (controlled by the US-based Sony Interactive Entertainment) have had content restrictions/censorship policies that supersede rating boards like the ESRB, PEGI, and CERO. Sony's censorship policies frequently targeted Japanese anime-styled games. Now, to release on PlayStation, creators just obey the restrictions in advance and self-censor. Clearly, this is happening to anime.

>>282275679 (OP)
Holy crap it gets even worse!
>It may be a drawing, but they're still minors
>utmost care in what should and should not be depicted
>whether I can show it to my own child or not, that's an important standard I hold on to
This woman is like one of those dumb gaijins that want to ban anime.

>>282278034
>wrote Koisenu Futari
>story about an asexual aromantic couple
It all makes sense.

>>282275679 (OP)
>I hate when the official side does it
It's not even your fucking manga, you are just adapting it, what the fuck is this level of hypocrisy?

>>282275849
>>282275867
>>282275883
You are likely confusing Japanese TV stations increased restrictions with the Liberal Democratic prime ministers that were in charge of Japan. Seemingly, the real blame falls on nonpartisan activists who may have used the Tokyo Olympics (if 2020 is viewed as the start of a censorship wave) to pressure TV stations to put restrictions on fiction.
Besides just nonpartisan activists, Japanese political parties like the JCP and the SDP support the banning of erotic loli. They want Japan to be in alignment with occasional United Nations' recommendations. Furthermore, the politically progressive have been globally inheriting ideas and beliefs from SWERFs (sex worker exclusionary radical feminists).
The following article focuses on the JCP's 2024 attempt to ensure adult magazines that treat "women as sexual objects," including manga magazines, are banned from stores and compiled into a report to the UN:
https://boundingintocomics.com/manga/japanese-communist-party-seeking-to-file-formal-united-nations-complaint-regarding-manga-featuring-sexy-female-characters/
Search TV stations' names on 4chan /a/ archive site, desuarchive. Non-premium/historically terrestrial broadcast (radio wave) TV stations like TV Tokyo and TV Asahi have become stricter throughout the decades. Premium/historically satellite TV stations like AT-X (a branch of TV Tokyo) and BS11 have been far less strict. So as activists fought for increased restrictions, the non-premium/broadcast TV stations got hit harder.
Lastly, global concerns like market access to Xi Jinping's China or other strict markets are influential. Specifically for China, look at gachas in that region vs others. Consistently, in regard to sexual content, the versions for the CCP's China have to censor bikinis, cleavage, breast size, and visibility of panties. When anime (and less likely manga) is made with localizations in mind, the makers will uaually self-censor and comply with restrictions in advance.

>>282275679 (OP)
>We will just turn the characters flat and make them look like they are 11 years old all the time in the anime, since we removed a bath scene no one is going to look at it and say it's pedophilic and totally won't appeal to a 95% otaku audience anymore.
Honestly, It's amazing the level of dissonance between this interview and reality.

>>282276359
I think S2 has a new director thankfully.

>>282275679 (OP)
CSM won

>>282278498
CSM not only removed all ecchi, it removed all personality from it.

>>282275740
How comically misleading the title is.

>>282278173
so it's a show about autistic roommates who don't do anything in particular together besides split rebnt? Do they at least do observational humor together? Otherwise it sounds like it's a show about...nothing.

>>282278447
I mean, the producer will remain the same, though ultimately Bocchi has so little fanservice to begin with in the it barely matters

>>282275679 (OP)
Dismissive.

Here's the thing about your characters' sexuality: You can define it or your audience will define it for you.

You ever notice how popular series with little to no sexual development get a lot of doujins: Touho, love live, Idolm@aster. But shows that have a lot of sexual development get comparatively few doujins: Seitokai Yakuindomo, Gushing over magical girls, High School DxD?

That's not just filling demand, after all, SYD has only sexual humor with nothing explicit outside of dialogue.

No, what's going on is that the author has defined the characters' sexuality, leaving less for the imagination. Thus, less for the audience to build up the sexuality of the characters.

She can say "Bocchi doesn't need it." but how that turns out is the author saying "I'm not defining it. You define it."

>>282279503
>nothing explicit outside of dialogue
and props (and some occasional sex positions with pictogram characters).

>>282275679 (OP)
>there is a scene in manga where Bocchi is naked in the bath that's portrayed as sexy, but in the anime she made her wear a swimsuit
she doesnt know that some people think swimsuits are hot

>>282279728
I like one pieces.

>>282275679 (OP)
i dont believe the mangaka said this, all yuri artists are defenerates

>>282275740
Oh good, so they're just some censorship loving feminist interfering with someone else's work. Who the hell does this random script writer think they are talking like they know better than the original author about what's "needed" or not in this manga?

Yes yes, it truly lives up to its name, Bocchi the Reddit

>>282279868
It's the anime that propelled this out of obscurity and made it as popular as it is, so yeah she honestly does know better than the original author what is needed and what isn't for the series.

/a/ gonna now pretend that authors are infallible or something? If you dare ever criticized any work before you have no room to speak.

>>282276799
>Censorship: the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.
This applies here. Did you even read the article?

This was pretty obvious if you ever watched the anime and read it the manga side by side. The anime obviously still did a bunch of other stuff right and the manga definitely would not have been as popular as it is right now without it, so it is a bit whatever.

>>282279759
The anime writer said it, not Hackmaji herself
I don't know how you got it confused, the OP title itself was pretty clear on who it was referring to

>>282275679 (OP)
I bet she also was the one who decided Kekrorira I hate boobs-san to be the character designer.
Bozaro? more like Bocchi the Woke Censored Goyslop.

>>282280074
Anime in general propels manga out of obscurity. The medium itself is more accessible as an animated, voiced, musically scored, and widely distributed alternative to manga.
Regardless, the real issue is the censorship/restriction of fictional content and its justification that objectionable fiction is immoral/exploitative. That shouldn't be ignored.
However, if we are ignoring the fiction censorship/restriction concerns, we can look solely from a marketing perspective. It is understandable for content to be changed in a ground-up remake like an anime adaptation when targeting audiences. Likewise, it must be understandable that audiences are allowed to make this into a controversy and argue for what they want.

>>282277868
Or retards think any show of T&A is automatically porn

>>282280528
A bad anime does nothing, see Blame (manga it's popular, anime it's forgettable) Samidare (actually made the manga less popular), etc

>>282275740
makes sense it's not the original author, she loves Blue Archive after all

>>282275679 (OP)
She's not wrong, is just that people here actually want the opposite (making the thing less appeling and more obscure)

>>282280528
Bullshit, there's been anime that flopped so bad it killed the manga. Just having an anime isn't a guaranteed ticket to stardom by any means at all. What is a ticket to stardom is having a VERY GOOD anime and she clearly knows how to write a very good anime.
You're just trying to devalue the work that goes into making an adaptation that succeeds and carries the source material to far greater heights than it could have ever achieved on its own.

Now that said, 4-koma are probably the easiest thing to make drastically better because they are inherently inferior by nature of their format. Still plenty of anime that dropped the ball on their adaptation though.

>>282275679 (OP)
shouldn't adaptations be adaptations? they should improve not retract. if naked and depressing, make it more naked and more depressing. in the end, it's just censorship catering towards global market so let's not pretend it's anything different

>>282275740
SHE WAS RIGHT

>>282275679 (OP)
yikes

>>282280694
4koma are good, but they can only exist as manga. They rely too much on being bite-sized things with titles. I still think the manga was punchier, but I get that it has less mainstream appeal.

>>282280074
You're talking as if popularity equals quality.

>>282281452
Some things are popular because of their quality, some things are popular in spite of their quality.
This is one of the cases of the former.

>>282275679 (OP)
ahh kaos, or some say koasm
do you hear our prayers?

You could examine the opposite case. Mieruko-chan, that added fanservice that wasn't in the manga and it's all but forgotten now.

>>282281557
Well obviously if you remove things which can be considered "controversial" it will appeal to a wider normalfag audience, and vice versa. No shit. The point is that's what the original author put in their manga, so that's what should be expressed. Not all works are going to appeal to everybody but to do otherwise is censoring their original intention.

>>282280074
Because a scriptwriter is solely responsible for an anime's success, retard

>>282280074
>criticising a work is the same as censoring it

>>282280646
>>282280694
Anime as a medium on the whole is more popular than manga, especially in the English world. That's why I talked about features of anime that make it more accessible. An anime adaptation being more popular than its manga original shouldn't be taken to mean the anime adaptation's main script writer "know[s] better than the original author what is needed and what isn't for the series." This also completely disregards the main topic of concern: the censorship/restriction of fictional content.
Uncensored, the anime adaptation may have sold equally, less, or more. It is unknown. Without like comparisons (censored anime release on broadcast TV vs. uncensored anime release on broadcast TV), it is impossible to compare economic success/popularity. Even an uncensored anime release on home media like DVD vs. an anime release on broadcast TV isn't a fair comparison. My original post at >>282280528 in my opinion, still stands.

>>282280646
>hurr durr more popular means more betterer
kill yourself

>>282275679 (OP)
This "muh miners" hysteria is so fucking tiresome

less appealing for faggots like >>282280676

>implying this retarded censorship is the only reason for bocchi the soi's popularity
lmao

>>282281631
>>282281699
Editors change what makes it into the final print of the manga too. This isnt any different. This "censorship" issue really doesn't end until you reach the mangakas completely unfiltered stream of subconsciousness. Mangaka doesn't put the Bocchi orgy scene in their head to paper. Is it self-"censorship", or doing your job properly?
Everyone that's part of the process is all paid to deliver a product that is good, and some stuff is gonna have to be cut/added in the process. That's how it works. It's not censorship, it's the creative process in delivering a good work.

I mean maybe if it was for completely personal reasons, on the grounds of sexiness itself, and it wasn't related to the success of the work they were tasked with producing, that would be considered censorship. But she herself even says that fans are free to do what they want, and that if the selling point of the work was the sexiness it wouldn't be an issue, but the change was made in the work because if they want it to become
>big and popular then "sexual exploitation" just becomes noise that could turn off the audience.

>>282275679 (OP)
>bathing nude is an uncacceptable level of lewdness now
We truly live in the Shimoneta timeline.

>>282281965
>I mean maybe if it was for completely personal reasons, on the grounds of sexiness itself
Quote, 'she deliberately toned down the sex appeal and fanservice from the original manga. She said that she feels that stories devalue themselves when they "sexually exploit characters meant to be minors for views", and that "fans are free to do whatever they want but that she doesn't like when the official side does it."'
Using "it'll become more popular with normalfags if I censor it" is a shield to defend the real reason. It's censorship.

What can I say? It didn't work.

>Keiichudo Saito gone
>Chudrorira gone
>Erika Yoshida returns to write the scripts
Maybe she's right.

>>282282050
Don't forget she's also using whether or not she thinks she can show it to her son as an important standard.

Are they going to do the beach chapter? I'm sort of curious how they're going to dodge the big boob joke there.

>>282282210
What chapter?

>>282282224
48.

>>282276979
The word you're looking for is paedophile. Try not to talk like a retarded subhuman.

>>282282210
They had an episode in the anime didn't they?

>>282279503
>shows that have a lot of sexual development
They're also extremely liked by normalfags

>>282275679 (OP)
>bocchi the reddit

>>282282155
That's american level puritanism, thinking it can damage people just by watching it. There's definitely western influence in this.

>>282282210
>>282282282
Don't know about the boob joke, but if she gets her way the bikini will definitely be changed.

>>282275679 (OP)
Otaku culture is dead, bro. Just move on and watch the next aniplex shilled "global audience" anime. That's all BTR was anyway, no organic popularity whatsoever. Who even cares about it anymore? No one until the marketing cycle for S2 begins and the shilling starts up.

>>282275679 (OP)
Jealous women mad that guys aren't paying attention to her.

>>282281965
If a third party makes creators redact/restrict a completed fictional asset to be less objectionable, that is censorship. If a creator creates an uncensored fictional asset, only releasing a censored version because they are concerned with people finding it objectionable, that is self-censorship.

I'm sympathetic to ground-up remakes like anime adaptations changing content purely for marketing reasons. However, changing content because of its objectionable nature is censorship. If a change happens to target objectionable content, it is likely it was censorship unless proven otherwise. For non-ground-up works trying to be more marketable with censored re-releases, toggleability between the original assets and the newly created censored assets is a must. Anything else is erasure meant to appease people who want to restrict objectionable fiction completely.

Bocchi the Rock's anime censorship is clearly the latter, rather than a purely creative decision.
>She said that she feels that stories devalue themselves when they "sexually exploit characters meant to be minors for views"
>They may be drawings, but they're still minors.
This anime adaptation's script writer finds certain fictional content objectionable and worthy of censorship.

Lastly, as I discussed at the end here: >>282281699, it's impossible to actually determine the economic success of censorship decisions like these. However, if the aim is distribution through platforms with censorship policies/content restrictions, then access to that platform through censorship directly allows for economic success. In those cases, the injustices are any anti-fiction policies and restrictions.

>>282283403
Whatever made up bullshit makes you feel better, anon.

One thing to keep in mind is that she is not in a position of authority amongst staff to override any decisions or single handedly decide anything, so the whole "minor exploitation" angle had to have been the consensus amongst the staff.

I hope you enjoy the future of globalized anime!

Truly the most cursed Kirara adaptation.

Big studios like Cloverworks/A1 have been like this forever. When's the last time you saw nipples from them? MAPPA also censored sexual stuff in Idaten-tachi. You can find lots of examples forever
These studios monopolize the good animators/directors. Thus, why it's best to stop seeking "sakuga" and lower standards for art/animation to watch shows from lesser studios that won't censor like Watanare, MahoAko, Kekkon Yubiwa Monogatari or Nukitashi
I haven't been in discussions much. How much did they change in Kizetsu Yuusha? Because it's surprising how all it lacks is nipples as a filthy anime only

>check AniDB
>also main writer for anime original project Maebashi Witches
Knew it reeked of propaganda brainrot. I don't regret dropping that shit

>>282276295
Are you ignoring the thousands of people who hate that era of anime and how we're having remakes of stuff like Dai or Shman King or Spice and Wolf which did that kind of adaptation? How people want a Soul Eater remake forever? How people complained about Trigun Stampede wasting the chance to be a faithful adaptation? And the new designs too
It's an incredibly common sentiment. Thus why you rarely see the anime original route/ending anymore as a solution to incomplete/too much material to work in too little episodes. Instead now the anime sticks to the source (at most skipping stuff, which also causes complaints) and ends the last episode with "go read the source or wait for the low chance of more seasons"

Japanese nu-otaku are starting to embrace censorship now, have fun while it lasts! (sarcasm)

>>282275679 (OP)
BtR is perhaps the last anime you want to make the argument the adapters didn't know better than the original author. Hamaji starved a golden goose and the anime fixed it in every measurable way. And the scriptwriters' 100% right: if you want to draw big titty Bocchi no one's stopping you. But toning down overt sexualization helped it go the extra mile into becoming the new K-On.

>>282275679 (OP)
Guess all the joke about "Bocchi the Woke" isn't actually a lie at all

>>282284478
Prove it faggot.

>>282284464
Modern japan is overridden with south east asians and koreans. Those used to at least be segregated by not anymore it seems.

>>282280418
like looking at a mirror

>>282275679 (OP)
This thread is lacking Bocchi boobs

>>282284478
>Hamaji starved a golden goose and the anime fixed it in every measurable way
That's your opinion.
>If you want to draw big titty Bocchi no one's stopping you
Almost as useless a statement as "just go watch porn", and completely missing the point.
>toning down overt sexualization helped it go the extra mile into becoming the new K-On
We have no quantifiable way of measuring whether that was the case or not. Do you really think the average BtR anime fan would have dropped the show if Bocchi were nude in the bath compared to wearing a swimsuit?

>>282284478
Nobody would care if a late night anime had a normal bath scene and if the characters were allowed to have breasts. K-on is also a terrible example to bring up since it featured both of these. You don't need to rationalize ideological censorship, especially if the people doing it spell out their motives directly.

>SEX and fanservice niggers on suicide watch
BASED

>>282284060
People may have doomposted at first about JC Staff doing Machikado Mazoku, but imagine trying to pull off something like this with Shamiko.

>>282275679 (OP)
Then why the fuck did she draw it that way? You don't get to preach against fanservice if you use it yourself.

>grooming her son

Grim

>>282275679 (OP)
I mean the anime is better with the girls being just cute but no need to be a bitch about it

I wonder how Hagmaji feels about this.

>>282275679 (OP)
https://x.com/opendice/status/1967174703925387485

Japanese fans don't seem to agree with her, and frankly I agree with most of what they're saying. This sort of retarded ideology doesn't belong in anime

Also you lied about it being the author, it's the anime director who censored the crap out of someone else's story
Bocchi manga writer is a known pervert

>>282285419
She doesn't, she will continue making frequent trips to Africa to exploit tribal people with bocchi merch and then jack off to Blue Archive doujins.

He isn't taking it well.

>>282275722
>It's the authors right to censor their own story

It wasn't the author that did it, OP mislead everyone. The anime writer unilaterally decided to censor the story even bypassing the author

I mean everyone that was there for the anime knew exactly what was going on but it's finally good to get confirmation on the radfem director who made every character into sexless blobs out of protest

>>282285513
See >>282275679 (OP)
>Bocchi the Rock anime writer

>>282285659
Anime ""writer"" while you're adapting someone else's story that's already written

>>282285646
>>282285513
She is not the director. See >>282275740

>>282276473
Its both inaccurate and censorship, they cut out a lot of jokes in the manga that the anime director deemed "offensive" especially near the end

Bocchi isn't porn, but even the most softcore of jokes got censored hard in the anime.

>>282285693
Yeah, exactly.

>>282285926
No, not "exactly", that's like calling a translator a writer. You're not the writer of someone elses work, you're just meant to adapt it. The fact she gave herself the title of writer means she gave herself license to not just adapt, but to fully change the story like its her own.

>>282276320
If this is considered censorship, then removing a ecchi scene also counts as censorship.

>>282276789
>go to the article, it doesn't say she made it that way, it says she had to
She "had to" because of her ideology, nobody forced her. Do you really know Japanese?

>>282275831
>Maebashi witches
Not the best example for "sexual explotation" of fictional minors on anime.
Thank god Nukitashi is aiming to be the best seller anime of the season and among the best sellers of the year.

>>282276148
Yeah
But when one writer wants to make the way it writes the norm is when shit hits the fan.
There is an agenda on lecture.

>>282285981
I mean, I somewhat agree with you. I just disputed a part of this post >>282285513
>Also you lied about it being the author
OP didn't say anything about the author

>>282285357
You're talking about two different people. The one bitching is the anime scriptwriter. Not the manga author who drew the original scene that the anime scriptwriter says was changed because of her

>>282276040
>>282276980
>>282277537
The original mangaka is a woman too you turkeys

>>282285897
in perspective
is ironic the censored anime is the one which found success while the original uncensored manga is now pulling chensoman numbers on manga sales
Go to show censorship and tits are meaningless for success.

>>282285371
Oh it's so over for that child

>>282286669
No, it shows that the manga hasn't gone anywhere in the last four volumes and the story slowed to a crawl after they lost the battle of the bands. The story had a set up for bocchi who became a rockstar, then they lose during the prelims of the first audition, then they spent the next six years doing nothing. Its slice of life but for a monthly manga it feels extremely slow even compared to other slice of life. You can skim most chapters and nothing happens anymore.

There's one breast joke in the entire manga and you're using it as proof that obviously its the reason it failed, while ignoring every other factor.

>>282286227
Because it was an anime original by the same anime staff scriptwriter, Maebashi Witches was used as an example of a fictional work with fictional teenage characters. What it's saying is that hypothetically sexualizing Maebashi Witches' fictional characters "if applied to real life, would amount to sexual exploitation of minors."

>>282285513
>>282285574
>>282276789
>>282285357
>>282278560
>>282279759
Damn /a/ really can't fucking read
>Bocchi the Rock anime writer

what the fuck is wrong with this place now
how the fuck are you supposed to have discourse about anime on a site where people don't even read
what the fuck
next time you argue with someone about something remember they probably didn't even read

>>282285646
Let's assume she's got a point with putting a swimsuit on her in the bath, what the hell is the justification in removing her boobs fully clothed like this?!

>>282285371
>only wahmen can be lying douches no men.
Well, is not like the average man keep his words.

>>282275679 (OP)
Cringe series from a cringe lord writer

>>282286871
Zommers and tourists only want to get mad not to talk.
Why do you think Kanokari is more popular than 86 with westoids despite the former is hated?

>>282286906
Are you mad at her because shes agreeing with you that keeping your promises is something everyone should do not just men

>K-On won
Bros!

>>282286752
>Its slice of life but for a monthly manga it feels extremely slow even compared to other slice of life
and you just give a better answer which also embrace how bocchi tits did not help to sell better compared to the censored anime.

>>282286951
/a/ is mad at her

>>282278283
But women are sexual objects, anon. That's literally their only reason to exist

>>282275679 (OP)
And that's why, just like how the book was better than the film, the manga is better than the anime.

>>282275679 (OP)
Are we sure this isn't just a purityfag and not someone who is motivated by a political ideology? The term sexual exploitation may still apply in this case (exploiting them for money). Japanese purityfags tend to be insane, they are also the reason that almost no idol anime includes nudity (this pretty much expands to all music anime too) as purityfags tend to also be idolfags.

>>282286893
every character had their boobs removed in the anime. Literally

>>282281699
>the English world
Nobody gives a fuck about it, dumb fuck.

>>282287164
It's not.

>>282282050
Minors exist to be exploited

>>282287164
Even back when the anime came out, people were confused why the anime toned down and removed a lot of shit. I remember even back then people looking into the director and realizing they were a massive political ideologue, it was at that point a lot of people lost hope in the anime.

>>282278283
Thanks for sharing this info

>>282284478
>the new k on
Hahahahahahahhahahaha

>>282286871
Are you really pretending that that's not misleading? And only two of the posts you replied to didn't understand it, because op intentionally mislead them. How are we supposed to have discourse when faggots like you lie about things?

>>282285371
Do we have info on who this person is? Getting some major zainichi korean vibes. They're pretty much the jews of japan.

>>282278283
It is a good thing the feminists got too cocky and went after the emperor, resulting in the Japanese kicking out the UN feminist group. A lot of Japanese in general are pushing back against this stuff too now. They need to learn to fear the samurai.

>>282287391
Are you seriously unable to read? What is misleading about saying "anime writer"? Oh wait you can't even read this post so why am I wasting my time

>>282285371
>>282287436
Yeah, I want to know more about her, the connections she has and to what demographic, region and groups she belongs to.

>>282284478
The anime would have been good regardless of the size of Bocchi's Bocchichis. But honest big boobs would have made it a little better.

>>282287354
It was uncanny even without reading it first, you could easily tell the tone was off.

>>282287473
It's too early to be chanting victory, but it is very soothing how I can genuinely see a path towards a Japan victory here.

>>282280074
Correlation doesn't mean causation.
You don't know for sure that it couldn't have gotten popular without the censorship.
There are many cases where productions tried to appeal to more diverse audience using political correctness and failed miserably.

>>282287485
Because he didn't say screenwriter, by saying anime writer it implies that it's the original author. Honestly you sound like the problem here, overreacting massively to a few retards as if 4chan never had retards before.

>>282287391
NTA, but how the fuck is this misleading?
>Bocchi the Rock anime writer
>The writer of the Bocchi the Rock said that she deliberately toned down the sex appeal and fanservice from the original manga
>from the original manga

>>282283403
BTR popularity was absolutely organic, it felt very refreshingly "anime" in a way that seemed like a lost art in recent years, and many people appreciated that. Gotta thank the director for that.

>>282283569
>>282287520
These are stupid arguments.
On the tier of
>well maybe he would have gotten lung cancer even if he didn't smoke, it can't be proven that smoking cigarettes did it!
No we can't do a controlled experiment and create a second earth to release a second Bocchi the rock in 2022 and see if it gets less reach with bouncing tits
But we can use common sense

>>282287567
Second hand writers believe they have rights over the work.

>>282287567
It's the lack of proper terminology. People don't often say anime writer, that suggests she wrote the original thing.

>>282286963
Tits in the anime would've made it sell better

>>282287597
It was shilled massively on japanese twitter by them posting "relatable" scenes of anxiety. Nothing was natural about it.

>>282287567
>What could possibly be misleading
>Post literally starts with "The writer of the Bocchi the Rock said...."
>Its not actually the writer of Bocchi the Rock Hamazi Aki, its just someone that worked on the anime with a big head

If I wrote War and Peace, and some chucklefuck that worked on the CBS live action story called himself "the writer and creator" I would fucking sue him.

>>282287546
I have no idea if you're damage controlling or if you are an alien or if you are an ESL with some kind of extremely strange first language.
But now I want to find out how you can possibly spin "anime writer" into not meaning "writer for the anime" and somehow meaning "manga author" instead.

>>282287715
You would use screenwriter, not merely writer as that implies authorship. You're the one who started being all dramatic about two retards.

>The writer of the Bocchi the Rock said that
What did he mean by this

I feel like sex appeal is what is going to sell going forward. People have only gotten increasingly horny and it doesn't help that many companies tried to tone it down for a period. It will be like a second otaku wave. Any of these anti-sex people will probably double down though in response so you'll occasionally see a work that is insanely covered up.

>>282287741
The OP post very explicitly says "anime writer". You could use screenwriter, yes. But I do not see what information the term screenwriter imparts that the term "anime writer" does not.

>>282283199
Let me know how it goes. When's the anime happening again?

>>282287802
It has false implications, see >>282287706
>information the term screenwriter imparts that the term "anime writer" does not.
Maybe you're just retarded. By calling them a screenwriter it makes it clear that they are only involved in the anime. Because the word writer it typically associated with books that are sold, not someone who works on an anime. So writer even makes it sound like its an original script.

>>282287770
I can only hope you're right, and that Loli is also there.

>>282287609
>use common sense.
Common sense says bouncing tits would've sold better. Do you see why common sense is unsatisfying?

>>282287872
Why do you keep ignoring that fact that the OP posts says "anime writer" establishing that it is talking about the anime, before it goes on to use "writer"?

TOTAL PURITAN DEATH

>>282287173
Women have boobs so it felt strange how everybody was turned flat chested in the anime

>>282287628
>>282287634
>>282287706
Ok, it would’ve been correct to use "anime screenwriter", but it’s clear that it refers to someone involved in the anime production, and then the subject of the thread explicitly says
>I deliberately censored the original manga.
And the entire OP post discusses how the original manga was changed when it was adapted into an anime. It's pretty clear that it refers to someone other than the mangaka.

>>282287173
>>282288167
stop objectifying women

>>282288167
They were just lolified and none happened to be oppai lolis

>>282288189
Tell women to stop objectifying themselves.
Males are also objectified so what's the big deal?
Who cares as long as it's legal?
And other such answers.

>>282287983
Because the use of the word would suggest it is an original anime or something. If you were casually looking at it you'd definitely be left with an impression that they're the actual author.

>>282288167
That's how cgdct anime is
No one in nichijou has tits

>>282288462
Ruri...

>>282275679 (OP)
Typical femoid.

>>282288247
It's a very small minority of women doing this, they're the female equivalent of incels. Ordinary women don't like these retards feminist ideas.

>>282288462
You've watched five anime

>>282288498
She has a child

>>282288520
That's a very generous number.

>>282288546
That doesn't mean much really. But regardless there isn't an active movement of sexist women that can't get sex. So these bitchy feminists are the best equivalent.

>>282288546
and she still can act like a femcel

>282288498<<
Good for her as long as the child does not imitate anyone here, whoever she is, and I hope my lack of identification of her makes her see my point.
A drug addict does not lecture me on phsyio psychology.

>>282287164
>>282275679 (OP)
"a...are we sure she's not just a purityfag" her entire identity is based around america-style feminism. she made a fucking NHK show about "aromantic asexual" after she found out about that from American. she says her feminist role model is not even a real person but a character from Fury Road, a Hollywood movie. she's dumb as pig shit and a lot of desperate-to-look-progressive men like Kazuki Nakashima and Yoshitomo Yonetani have been enabling her for a long time.

>>282278173
>>282278588
she said she decided to make the show after she found out about "aroace identity" from American TV. like literally that was the sole inspiration she listed. I'm not shitting you.

I think she might also believe in "asexuals can like having sex" in but I'm not 100% sure and I'm too lazy to look it up again so take it with a grain of salt

>>282289467
I was asking a question. Thank you for answering though. I hope she isn't allowed in any future anime.

>>282289554
she's beloved among industry people with some sort of academic connection and otaku are defending it since "the anime did sell well" https://x.com/yukawa_virtual/status/1967572427069911444

it's over unless you stir immense shit about it

I feel like mentioning, the Love Live franchise declined with the Superstar branch due to an NHK deal forcing the anine to be kid-friendly and fanservice-free. If you've been following the monthly LL magazine, they've recently practically done a 180 with its pinups now that the anime is considered fully concluded.