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Anonymous No.282362356 [Report] >>282362450 >>282362542 >>282362574 >>282362643 >>282362664 >>282365143 >>282365383 >>282365593 >>282366044 >>282366203 >>282367773 >>282368952 >>282369162 >>282369379 >>282371449 >>282376467 >>282376667 >>282377446 >>282378492 >>282379092 >>282379131 >>282379158 >>282379257 >>282379295 >>282379403 >>282381373 >>282382334 >>282382393 >>282382731 >>282383242 >>282383370 >>282386879 >>282387591 >>282389453 >>282396175
why is anime like this now

back in the day: "Creep, you'll never be a woman, eww gay!"

Now: Transgenders are cool
Anonymous No.282362450 [Report] >>282382520
>>282362356 (OP)
The target audience for this anime is you, the western person. If Japan thinks this is what western people want, you can only blame yourself for that.
Anonymous No.282362542 [Report] >>282377344
>>282362356 (OP)
Watanabe is liberal as fuck and a westerboo. You wuld know that, if you weren't a fucking tourist.
Anonymous No.282362574 [Report] >>282392990
>>282362356 (OP)
women
Anonymous No.282362589 [Report] >>282362625
This is going to be a nice /pol/ thread, good job moods.
Anonymous No.282362625 [Report]
>>282362589
Good riddance.
Anonymous No.282362643 [Report]
>>282362356 (OP)
>he said there will never be a black einstein
>so i punched him
genius ahh nigga fr
Anonymous No.282362664 [Report]
>>282362356 (OP)
Japan is always like a decade behind on trends, so the nipboomer that made it thought trannies were still a cool thing but now the west has realized it was a big mistake enabling those sociopaths and the tide has turned against them.

also
>black guy gets physically violent towards speech due to lack of self control
lmao I guess that is timeless and won't ever change
Anonymous No.282362704 [Report]
So how did this shitshow of an anime ended?
Anonymous No.282362851 [Report]
>>282362817
So you're saying it's okay to beat up teachers that are grooming children? I personally just wanted them fired and out of a job.
Anonymous No.282363680 [Report] >>282364134 >>282364511 >>282365687
Everybody I asked said that this anime is crap
Anonymous No.282364134 [Report]
>>282363680
It's almost as bad as Cowboy Bebop
Anonymous No.282364511 [Report]
>>282363680
It's funny how not even the target audience liked it.
Anonymous No.282365143 [Report] >>282365359 >>282390736
>>282362356 (OP)
>now
Anonymous No.282365336 [Report]
>>282365286
Still westerners
Anonymous No.282365359 [Report] >>282378894
>>282365143
that's a crossdresser
Anonymous No.282365383 [Report]
>>282362356 (OP)
what is this ESG shit and why would you watch it
Anonymous No.282365478 [Report]
>>282365286
you have the wrong guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel
Anonymous No.282365593 [Report]
>>282362356 (OP)
>now
Anime has always had trannies just not realistic ones. There's a reason some people call it tranime
Anonymous No.282365687 [Report] >>282370477
>>282363680
I was very excited for it. Mappa, Watanabe, AS Dub. The show fucking blows. The "climax" was garbage, the ending of season 1 was a nothing burger, the cast had literal negative synergy with each other. The writing was atrocious.

I made the joke about skinner at the camp on episode 3 because I figured it'd be too retarded to be true, but the show is just that retarded. I'm really disappointed in all parties involved. At least the opening is good.
Anonymous No.282366044 [Report] >>282367472 >>282382424
>>282362356 (OP)
>back in the day: "Creep, you'll never be a woman, eww gay!"
I cannot actually think of a single anime that did that.
I recall Patalliro having men dress as women and have vicious gay sex, and while they were seen as men, dressing as a woman was never something unquestionable.
Yu Yu Hakusho had Yusuke fight a pre-op tranny, but at the end he just tells them to go all the way as a man or a woman and not inbetween. Not exactly "you'll never be a woman".

I think you haven't actually seen anime. Maybe because you spend all your time scrubbing the IMD5 from your images so you can spam them and not have your autism fest seen on the archives.
Anonymous No.282366203 [Report]
>>282362356 (OP)
>"Creep, you'll never be a woman, eww gay!"
Because back then THEY became the woman THEY wanted to have without relying on westoids opinions.
Now they cant due chuds or forced to align with troons due woke.
Anonymous No.282367472 [Report] >>282368952 >>282376102 >>282383100
>>282366044
Half of the villains in Sailor Moon were non-binary or gay.
Anonymous No.282367585 [Report]
>accurate transfem rep in anime
Anonymous No.282367773 [Report] >>282376785
>>282362356 (OP)
Trannies were always cool in anime.
Anonymous No.282368952 [Report] >>282378565
>>282362356 (OP)
>ITT some tourist tries to make waves
Summer surely its taking its schweet time to end huh?
People are using as example Hana, from Tokyo godfathers, but the fact that Hana was a tranvesitite, transgender or whatever you may call her is irrelevant. WHY? i hear you ask, because the story doesnt dwell on that fact other than to make some jokes and to stablish that she is in love with Jin. While in Lazarus there were some "lighthanded" agenda stuff and "needed" to be told to check some checkboxes, in Tokyo godfathers Hana's sexuality is just an element of the story, one that doesnt feel shoehorned nor forced because Satoshi Kon's movies where so masterfully written. Hana ending as a homeless was because she worked as a entertainer, but she punched a patron, and to not cause problems for her boss, she decided to leave without saying a word. This is only relevant because In Tokyo Godfathers our 3 main characters have redemption arcs. Hana's meet up with her ex boss is one of them. And not. a. single. time. Kon use that as a victim trigger, unlike Lazarus.
>>282367472
>Alphabet people trying to retcon stories to suit their preferences, despite the fact that some concepts didnt even existed at the time of release
typical
Anonymous No.282369162 [Report]
>>282362356 (OP)
While you were busy escaping reality in your fantasy world “without politics”, other people were busy overwriting it.
Anonymous No.282369379 [Report]
>>282362356 (OP)
op is a faggot.
Anonymous No.282370437 [Report]
OP is based
shills mad
Anonymous No.282370477 [Report]
>>282365687
>AS Dub
Adult Swim? They don't dub shit and any anime they touch turns to shit. Fucking King Midas of shit.
Anonymous No.282370749 [Report]
You /pol/fags are so fucking thin skinned that I actually bring trannies up using respectful pronouns and woke rhetoric just to bait and it works EVERY.SINGLE.TIME. I have an excel sheet and I unironically average 7 (you)s per trannybait lmao. Really the neo-tumblrinas.
Anonymous No.282371449 [Report] >>282372557 >>282372610
>>282362356 (OP)
>back in the day
Anon...

>>282365286
>fake screencap
Anonymous No.282372557 [Report]
>>282371449
Based inclusive shoujo writers!
Anonymous No.282372610 [Report]
>>282371449
What'd the secretary do to deserve that?
Anonymous No.282374594 [Report] >>282376919
>282371449
anime industry shill cherry picking the same scene

you lost
Anonymous No.282376102 [Report] >>282376528 >>282376797 >>282382504 >>282383100
>>282367472
>Half of the villains in Sailor Moon were non-binary or gay.
And based DIC censored them all, they don’t make dubs like they used.
Anonymous No.282376467 [Report]
>>282362356 (OP)
honest to god no one talks about this anime anymore can you shut it already
Anonymous No.282376528 [Report] >>282376634 >>282381376
>>282376102
The censorship made it seem like they were cousins AND lovers. I grew up thinking that incest was more normalized in Japan, haha.
Anonymous No.282376634 [Report]
>>282376528
>I grew up thinking that incest was more normalized in Japan, haha.
Considering how much of it is in anime, you were right.
Anonymous No.282376667 [Report]
>>282362356 (OP)
Can't you just keep these threads on /pol/
Anonymous No.282376785 [Report]
>>282367773
Even so it was pretty obvious he had psychological issues from being abandoned as a child
Anonymous No.282376797 [Report] >>282376992 >>282381376
>>282376102
>censorship is good if it agrees with my agenda
Anonymous No.282376919 [Report]
>>282374594
And Hibari-kun isn't?
Anonymous No.282376992 [Report]
>>282376797
>censorship is good if it agrees with my agenda
Yes in fact, kids don’t need to be groomed into the woketard homo agenda.
Anonymous No.282377344 [Report] >>282391637
>>282362542
>Watanabe is liberal as fuck and a westerboo.
Add Tomino to the list of being another libtard director in the industry, hence why everything both he and Watanabe produces are DEI slop.
Anonymous No.282377446 [Report] >>282377483
>>282362356 (OP)
What anime is this?
Anonymous No.282377483 [Report] >>282377529
>>282377446
Lazarus, Watanabe's newest show. Adult swim behind the scenes bullshit made this show even worse.
Anonymous No.282377529 [Report] >>282377648
>>282377483
So i assume not even western fans liked it?
Anonymous No.282377648 [Report] >>282377960 >>282396235
>>282377529
Not really, there was serious tonal issues because Watanabe wanted to do something more lighthearded and adult swim wanted something more dark and serious. Plus the big twist is given away in episode 3 and it takes nearly the rest of the series of them dicking around to figure it out.

Doesn't help that the plot is "most of humanity will die in 30 days unless you find the mastermind who can make the cure" again, they practially gave away who he was in ep 3
Anonymous No.282377804 [Report] >>282378442 >>282378661
Kinda funny that starting this show recently with friends, I only saw the 'EMMY NOMINATED' tag on the show headliner image the day we watched this episode. Who would have guessed there'd be a tranny accepted, handwaving of insane homeless peoples actions, a black man 'fighting the oppressive powers' and getting fucked over by the white man, a long crossdressing segement, and the most comically evil bad guy drugging women and raping them one episode after another.
Why the fuck do you have to be so retardedly on the nose with EVERYTHING? Is there no subtlty because the retards who eat up these mantras can't understand layers to hunanity and can't decipher if it isn't hitting them in the face like a punch from a black man? Up until that episode there wasn't anything too glaring.
Anonymous No.282377960 [Report]
>>282377648
they also fucked around until the last 3 episodes
Anonymous No.282378442 [Report]
>>282377804
>Why the fuck do you have to be so retardedly on the nose with EVERYTHING?
That’s all woke media, every single one is more preachy than a church sermon.
Anonymous No.282378492 [Report]
>>282362356 (OP)
Transphobia is a western export.
This is just Nippon returning to true form.
Anonymous No.282378508 [Report]
I've got /pol/roach fatigue
Anonymous No.282378565 [Report]
>>282368952
>she
He. It's a he. He's a crossdresser, not a tranny. He knows he's a guy. He just acts flamboyant and feminine.
Anonymous No.282378661 [Report] >>282379106
>>282377804
Virtue Signaling is the new "in" thing. It's a really easy way to make people feel like they're a good person when all they're really doing is shallowly indulging a whim, thoughtlessly supporting harmful ideologies because it seems nice on the package.

They're not treating gender dysphoria by confusing the concepts of sex and gender, they're directly spreading it.

They're not fighting the power by singling out black people and making them out to be separate beings from other humans, they're rampantly supporting and spreading racism.

You're not making anyone accept you by aggressively waving around a flag like you're going to war, you're starting a fight.

There's a very obvious enemy here purposefully spreading these nice-looking ideologies to segregate and destroy surrounding nations, but I won't get into it here. Look up on youtube "how evil triumphs" if you wanna know.
Anonymous No.282378894 [Report] >>282380506
>>282365359
>that's a crossdresser
Like all trannies.
Anonymous No.282379092 [Report]
>>282362356 (OP)
Is that what caught your attention in that episode? Not they literally sitting next to the guy they are looking for and not realizing its him because he is wearing a beanie?
Anonymous No.282379106 [Report] >>282379238
>>282378661
Jews
Anonymous No.282379108 [Report]
Onizuka fell in love with a tranny/crossdresser in Shonan Junai Gumi and /a/ loves to call him a chad
Anonymous No.282379131 [Report] >>282379175
>>282362356 (OP)
Back in the day we didn't use twitter meme formats for our posts and men didn't say "creep" because men weren't pseudo-women faggots.
Anonymous No.282379158 [Report]
>>282362356 (OP)
>back in the day: "Creep, you'll never be a woman, eww gay!"
Examples?
Anonymous No.282379175 [Report] >>282379214
>>282379131
>men didn't say "creep"
Radiohead?
Anonymous No.282379202 [Report]
It must be exhausting to live your life believing that nobody in the world except you has any agency for themselves
Anonymous No.282379214 [Report]
>>282379175
That song title is specifically what he thinks women think of him. He's basically the king of betas in any case.
Anonymous No.282379238 [Report]
>>282379106
jews yes but there will always be a group that does jew-like things, before jews and after jews. It's a rancid ideology and practice. Jews are just the current shell.
Anonymous No.282379257 [Report]
>>282362356 (OP)
>only knows anime from the delusions of other ex-capeshit vpol vermin
>Why is anime like this 'now'
You have never seen anime before and now complain that they don't share your [Current Year] brainworms.
Anonymous No.282379295 [Report] >>282380490
>>282362356 (OP)
I like how they deliberately made him ugly. And the negro got so mad he proved a stereotype and there's still ain't no black Einstein.
Anonymous No.282379403 [Report]
>>282362356 (OP)
Blame Mutts for yapping all the time about race, sex, representation, in anything.
Anonymous No.282380490 [Report] >>282391332
>>282379295
>still ain't no black Einstein.

I don't think there's even a single notable black intellectual in history other than Sowell. Maybe Malcolm X but that's a stretch.
Anonymous No.282380506 [Report] >>282380777
>>282378894
>all trannies
Not if they get on HRT and puberty blockers early enough before the T does what it does, it’s why those who transition early enough before puberty can genuinely pass as being women and actually do really become female in some sense. And yes, this is exactly the reason why we want to start em young, get them on hormones too late and you’ll be cruelly condemning them to a life of eternal hon-hood where they’ll never be able to pass.
Anonymous No.282380548 [Report] >>282380657
I wish everyone in this thread a wonderful TTD and TND have a nice day
Anonymous No.282380657 [Report]
>>282380548
thanks anon, you too and don't forget TKD
Anonymous No.282380777 [Report] >>282381322 >>282382113
>>282380506
>I must help mentally ill people by enabling their mental illness
Please fuck off from this place xister
Anonymous No.282381322 [Report]
>>282380777
HRT is the same as giving anti-depressants tho.
Anonymous No.282381373 [Report]
>>282362356 (OP)
Hopefully this show motivated people to look at who actually wrote and directed Watanabe's previous shows.
Anonymous No.282381376 [Report]
>>282376797
It's good if it makes it more taboo by accident ,
>>282376528
Anonymous No.282382113 [Report] >>282383131
>>282380777
>mental illness
Technically one’s sex doesn’t exist until puberty when the hormones come in, so it’s not mental illness if you as a child want to pick your sex.
Anonymous No.282382334 [Report] >>282384890
>>282362356 (OP)
>like this now
transgenders were always cool in anime and japanese culture. Use fucking google and check what an onnagata or a wakashu is, and stop being so concerned about where people want to stick their penises. Your brand of conservativism(tm) was literally born yesterday and has no anthropological, philosophical, social or political value whatsoever. Do you think you can stop sex with your microwaved ideology and complain? Do you think thousands of years of people sticking their dicks wherever they want and dressing however they want are going to be deleted from human consciousness just because you feel uncomfortable seeing a man dressed in pink when you whatch netflix from your phone while having dinner? The only cringe thing about your pic related is that characters need to re-state the obvious because people like you decided to take a step down on the evolutionary scale and now we need to educate you chimpazees from the start so that (maybe) you can join the rest of us humans into civilized society - where, yes, men and women fuck each other and crossdress in all possible combinations. And it's fucking cool as hell, I choose this over your boring amish fantasy of countriside inbreeding every day.
Anonymous No.282382393 [Report]
>>282362356 (OP)
I know it will happen after they announce this last year. I just didn't expect them to deliver the result this fast.
Anonymous No.282382424 [Report] >>282386053
>>282366044
One piece has a scene where Sanji got chased by ugly trannies.
Anonymous No.282382504 [Report] >>282382980
>>282376102
>Esmeraude
>not Emerarudo

For what purpose. Also Naoko was just a rich sheltered Japanese bimbo, if some faggot diddlee her kid she wouldn’t be so happy.
Anonymous No.282382520 [Report]
>>282362450
this, I'm not the target audience of this one particular show too, if OP is asking such questions why the tonal shift, then they're in for a rude awakening to find out that the anime industry is just following what's the current trend in order to make more profit

its the harsh reality that we live in that the more we watch these shows that we grew up on tend to change overtime the longer they air to follow what's the new tend now, ever notice the revival of renowned IPs are different now as they were before since they need to write a new story and retcon the old just to shift to the new generation called the "modern" audience now?

I'd rather just be hopeful on new IPs being made by independent creators for some fresh and new than stick around with the old washed out ones that we grew up on
Anonymous No.282382731 [Report] >>282383062
>>282362356 (OP)
thisbis actually good writing since it shows that niggers are violent apes
Anonymous No.282382980 [Report]
>>282382504
>Also Naoko was just a rich sheltered Japanese bimbo, if some faggot diddlee her kid she wouldn’t be so happy.
She’s a yuritard who hates gay men and fujos but loves yuri, the gay men were all an anime original thing.
Anonymous No.282383062 [Report]
>>282382731
Possibly the most realistic anime conversation between libtards ever. Most of the time they're just treated like normal people who talk about the current situation rather than their identity.
Anonymous No.282383100 [Report] >>282383936
>>282367472
>>282376102
>non-binary
Now hold your gayshit.
You're just appropriating these characters and pushing your nu-gayshit on them to make it look like it was always a thing.
Anonymous No.282383131 [Report]
>>282382113
Holy schizo babble. Kill yourself subhuman troon. YWNBAW
Anonymous No.282383242 [Report]
>>282362356 (OP)
What really gets me about this is that like, even for progressive virtue signalling this dialogue is like a decade old. Fucking Twitter has moved on from this already and gone through like, three different takes on how you "should" handle racism.

The old japanese director just doesn't have any fucking clue on race dialogue from any angle whether you like this kind of shit in media or not.
Anonymous No.282383370 [Report] >>282383487
>>282362356 (OP)
Who do you think is pushing this stuff? It was only a matter of time before the most powerful establishment found its new host for its ideology.
Anonymous No.282383409 [Report] >>282383429 >>282383501
This is so funny to me because it's obvious that Watanabe, being a lefty and a westaboo, wants to pander to his overseas audience by inserting progressive politics into his shows, but since he is an old japanese man that has no clue what the discourse is actually like, only a vague idea, he gets everything wrong and the people he tried to pander to find it offensive.
Like how in Carole & Tuesday he came up with the idea that the water of Mars turns some people into trannies, or how that show has gay characters, but the most prominent one is a deranged schizo stalker.
Anonymous No.282383429 [Report] >>282387188
>>282383409
Foreigners trying to be progressive and launching into something completely alien like "and with hard work, gypsies can even be people too!" is the funniest shit.
Anonymous No.282383477 [Report]
test
Anonymous No.282383487 [Report] >>282389467
>>282383370
That's why jannies deleted >>282365286
Anonymous No.282383501 [Report]
>>282383409
this shit looks uglier than one piece, Watanabe is truly a hack
Anonymous No.282383506 [Report] >>282383524
Was I the only one who liked Lazarus?
Anonymous No.282383524 [Report]
>>282383506
not even you liked it, you are lying
Anonymous No.282383936 [Report] >>282383981
>>282383100
>You're just appropriating these characters and pushing your nu-gayshit on them to make it look like it was always a thing.
? Are you denying that a lot of the Sailor Moon characters were gay anon?
Anonymous No.282383981 [Report]
>>282383936
"Non-binary" is retarded nonsense that didn't exist in the 90s.
Anonymous No.282384890 [Report]
>>282382334
When you sit there and talk about how great it is to be homeless and how cool and chill they are (when in most cases they have mental illnesses that make them unapprochable), introduce a transgender character, and add in a story about a black man fighting the system and getting punished, and all one after the other.
I've never had issues with it in things like Tokyo Godfather, or the joke crossdressing characters in various shows, or even something more serious like Wandering Son. Hell, I even like how they handled everything in Wamdering Son and the artstyle is nice. This show was fun too. It's just when you are VERY OBVIOUSLY trying to placate a certain subgroup of people so overtly I can only roll my eyes and call it a hamfisting of the topic and shoehorning it in to check off boxes of that subgroup.
Anonymous No.282385067 [Report] >>282385245
>This thread
Why moods don't nuke this thread? this is clearly an off topic thread why all those unironic fags dont go to the board for fags or /pol/?
Anonymous No.282385245 [Report] >>282386230
>>282385067
Yeah, because there aren't any good faith posts talking about good representation in anime at all in the thread.
Anonymous No.282386053 [Report]
>>282382424
>the people spamming these threads are spics
Of course
Anonymous No.282386230 [Report] >>282386596
>>282385245
Exactly. it's never a good discussion on whether a character was a good/bad representation and how being trans can impact their views on their world and what that means for characterization.
It's always "lol not a woman" if people like op just want to hear an echo chamber they need to stay on /pol/ I don't give a fuck what your opinion is on trans people irl when in the media you're consuming the world seems to be completely fine with it.

no one is calling the cops on the kids in pokemon despite that's exactly what would happen irl if they discovered a bunch of kids camping in the woods with a bunch of creatures.
Anonymous No.282386596 [Report] >>282386847
>>282386230
The trans thing alone is not the issue with this. The story hamfistedly threw in what amounts to a bunch of talking points one after the other, in most cases just because. I legit had no issues with the trans person running the encampment, but my eyes did roll when they brought in the black man fighting the white power who told him he couldn't do anything in the same fucking scene on the same episode.
Anonymous No.282386847 [Report] >>282387226
>>282386596
no, i do agree. The story sucks. It was poorly thought out. had a ton of weird plot points, spent too much time on bullshit and not enough on other things. hamfisted itself until the last episode and then ended on a nothing burger. However, you and I both know that's not the reason the op picture keeps getting posted by a specific group of people or even by one person repetitively.
Anonymous No.282386879 [Report]
>>282362356 (OP)
Watch better anime.
Anonymous No.282387188 [Report] >>282391569
>>282383429
My thoughts:
the left character was just girly, the middle character was purposefully ugly like ursula from the disney mermaid movie, and the right characters were very strange and their song was full of English curse words.
Also, Cybelle a cute.
Anonymous No.282387226 [Report]
>>282386847
Sure, I just think there is space for discussion like that and hijacking a shit thread to talk reasonably about topics that really revv someone up. Being a moderate really makes people upset
Anonymous No.282387591 [Report]
>>282362356 (OP)
This series also takes place like 100 years in the future and this character in particular is a homeless failure
Anonymous No.282389453 [Report] >>282389490
>>282362356 (OP)
Bump
Anonymous No.282389467 [Report]
>>282383487
Or maybe it was a fake screencap made to troll posters. Seriously, there’s no real articles based on the exact title and date if you search it.
Anonymous No.282389490 [Report] >>282389545
>>282389453
Why?
Anonymous No.282389545 [Report] >>282394947
>>282389490
Because it makes you seethe
Anonymous No.282390736 [Report]
>>282365143
he literally identified as a woman, he wanted to be a mother. did you even watch the film?
Anonymous No.282391332 [Report]
>>282380490
Booker T. Washington was ever close to being Einstein.
Anonymous No.282391569 [Report]
>>282387188
>lesbian is crazy, physically abusive and homicidal
What did Watanabe mean by this?
Anonymous No.282391637 [Report]
>>282377344
By what metric is Tomino liberal?
Anonymous No.282392990 [Report]
>>282362574
>women
Anonymous No.282394947 [Report] >>282396030
>>282389545
Bump once again
Anonymous No.282396030 [Report]
>>282394947
based
they're so mad; these modern anime industry shills are very sensitive weebs. they cry all the time about threads like this
Fyi, they never leave the thread, they keep it open seething 24/7
Anonymous No.282396175 [Report]
>>282362356 (OP)
>Why is anime like this now
OP's new
Anonymous No.282396228 [Report] >>282396274
>282396175
[gaslighting people into thinking anime was always woke so they stop fighting back]
Anonymous No.282396235 [Report]
>>282377648
>Watanabe wanted to do something more lighthearded and adult swim wanted something more dark and serious
I won't believe that for a second. The whole point of the series, the essence of it is that under a bright facade the things are grim and humanity is fucked one way or another.
Anonymous No.282396274 [Report]
>>282396228
>fighting back
Anonymous No.282396501 [Report]
I dont mind trans stuff in anime because (from what little of it that Ive seen) it seems like Japan always does it without the mental illness.
The trans characters always acknowledge that they were originally one gender and then made a choice to try and become the other. Sometimes the ones who are just drag queens (as in they havent had any hormone therapy or surgery) will even acknowledge that they are still males. The point is that they acknowledge that being trans is a choice, and they don't try to claim that they were a female all along.

Although I havent read anything with trans people in it that was written in the last few years, so maybe that's changed.