Thread 282382891

Tl;dr Erika Yoshida, TV scriptwriter for Bocchi the Rock anime removed fanservice in the manga (or as she calls them, "noise") because she claimed it would prevent the majority from watching it. This recent remark sparked a controversy regarding anime censorship. The Bocchi anime ended up become a top hit show of 2022 and spawning tons of internet fanarts and memes.

So let's analyze the decision, did she made the right call? Nobody knew or heard about the Bocchi manga prior. In 2022, Bocchi went up against the "Chainsaw Man" anime, a far more anticipated adaptation and a far more popular manga, and Bocchi annihilated Chainsaw Man's sales and popularity by a landslide. This served as an indication that Bocchi's anime must have done something right, somewhere.

Are we denying that Bocchi resonated more with people with its particular choice in direction? Is it time to admit that her assessment was correct after all? Must every anime be unanimous with fanservice?

Faggot

there are plenty of anime that are far more popular than Bocchi that have fanservice.
Most of her fan art gives her huge boobs
there is no indication her decision to take out the "noise" would've decreased it's popularity

im hiding the thread this time, i've seen enough.

>>282382891 (OP)
Not in this case. The scenes she censored were so milquetoast that their presence wouldn't've offended anyone. But generally speaking, censorship is beneficial (to a company's bottom line) because it widens a work's audience. That being said, compromising to appeal to money and the masses isn't right.

>>282382891 (OP)
What money though? People that bought the discs wouldn't have cared about big boobs, as a matter of fact, using light beams for the scene and then removing them for the BDs would have boosted the sales even more, is a pretty common practice that no longer happens because uuuhhh, who knows, so how can you be sure of this? Order of events matter and the fanservice would have only push away ecelebs and their followers from the equation.

This isn't gaymergate you pathetic bitch. Stop spamming this shit.

>>282382891 (OP)
>Was she wrong, though
Yes, obviously.

>>282382891 (OP)
Bocchi succeeded in spite of the censorship not because of it

>>282382891 (OP)
Kill yourself, retarded tourist. We're done having "conversations".

>>282382891 (OP)
>did she made
ESLs are subhuman filth and defend censorship at every turn. No native English speaker would make that mistake.

>>282383799
Seems more like the opposite judging from your garbage spammed threads.

>>282383799
>muh esl
fuck off faggot, this a japanese site

>>282383813
But your the one that made this thread, likely because the other one like all the others wasn't going in your favor and this one will be no different. You can't stop people that care about anime from talking about aspects that affect the industry as a whole.

>>282382891 (OP)
Bocchi’s expression on the right is much more amusing.

>>282382891 (OP)
Why did she have to do this now? Why not just stay quiet? Everyone already liked the anime. It was a huge hit. What's the point of antagonizing people with the 2nd season coming up? I hope the show recovers from this and the controversy blows over, but there was no reason for any of it in the first place.

>>282384038
Nobody really cares that watches the show.

Kill this fucking thread. Maebashi Witches was peak

>>282382891 (OP)
OP Faggot ass

>>282384051
I care if the stink on it compromises the show. It's not like I ever gave a shit about the Ruroken controversy or Galko but that didn't stop them from getting fucked.

Is she's related to Reiko Yoshida of K-ON?
She removed quite a lot of fanservices too.

>>282384104
>getting arrested is on the same level as some third-worlders spamming twitter threads

>>282384078
i guess they asked the islamic state of japan's halal cert board.

>>282384134
Yes, and? Both are peripheral nonsense that has nothing to do with the series yet still manage to fuck it over.

>>282384063
It was a very interesting anime and Choco-chan was prime cunny SEX. I got off to her multiple times during the show's run. That worthless censorship loving bitch can only accept I jacked off to something she tried so hard to "de-sexualize" and could overall do nothing about
MY DICK IS MORE POWERFUL THAN ANY POLITICAL BULLSHIT.

>>282382891 (OP)
Imagine what would she do to Monogatari

>>282384051
they would if they read it

I like Yoppi in her WUG days.
I particularly love the pantyflash scenes during their debut performance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLndiFedJic

Fuck the wider audience
I don't care if they get filtered by boobs and naked teenagers
not my problem.
I am a firm believer that every anime should start with a monogatari-style pantyshot.

>>282382891 (OP)
Fwiw, not having boobs did not convince me to watch it as it still was cgdct yurifag moeslop.

>>282384051
Keep telling yourself that.

>>282384722
>cgdct
>yurifag
>moeslop
it comes with the territory

>>282384038
The show is not for you obviously. Some people might not care about transgender feminism immigration hijab diversity and all that stuffs but they don't like fanservice for sure.
I mean, fanservice is for fat loser weirdos that smell bad, if you like fanservice then you're a fat loser that smells bad.
And of course taking out fanservice means it'll be more popular with the trannies and feminists too, like I said the show is not for you, don't like it, don't watch it.

>>282382891 (OP)
The worst thing that could happen is for the anime to lose sight of its target audience/demographic concept. Imagine trying to please women, kids, and men all at once. Not only is it impossible, but you end up creating a mess of tastes that cancel each other out.

>>282382891 (OP)
Again with this shit? Anime is made by commitee, any changes must be communicated to all parties and approved. Some even need to get approval from the author.
Also, this isn't censorship for the sake of censorship, its literally adapting a product so it sells better to its target audience, there's nothing to discuss here.

>>282385418
But it’s still censorship, even if it’s done with "wise intentions", like trying to reach a wider audience.

>I will save the entertainment industry by removing the entertainment
Why does the entertainment industry keep bending over backwards to these people?
I know the joke that Japan is 10 years behind the west is a thing, but are they really going to repeat something they watched fail?

>>282383851
Then type Japanese.

>>282382891 (OP)
Honestly, if you want to remove boobies and pantyshots from Japanese cartoons you deserve to be Kirk'd.

>>282385570
They’re elitist; for them, the goal of the anime is to achieve the status of high literature by stripping out all the 'noise' that only caters to the vulgar tastes of the common folk (men) and not the refined sensibilities of the upper classes (women, of course).

>>282385658
And Spocked

>>282385658
The Japanese are a docile and neutered race, so the most you'll see towards "people" like her is inert criticism on the internet.

>>282385715
Yeah kind of like what people like you always do.

>>282384038
>Why did she have to do this now? Why not just stay quiet? Everyone already liked the anime. It was a huge hit. What's the point of antagonizing people with the 2nd season coming up?
She didn't intend to antagonize. She was clearly pandering to her fellow feminists.
The first few reactions to the interview were all positive. The otakus found out and piled on later.

>>282386616
She needs a manager to veto her speeches to avoid disasters like this one.
You'd think the industry would have learned after the fiasco with the CSM director.

>>282385658
You could AI-gen porn infinitely if you want, and still you're crying like a child

>>282382891 (OP)
>This served as an indication that Bocchi's anime must have done something right, somewhere.
Or maybe the Chainsawman anime was shit, as you well know.

>>282382891 (OP)
>Was she wrong, though?
Yes, Bocchi having big boobs or bathing naked won't prevent anyone from watching the show.
>Bocchi's anime must have done something right
It was the director. She didn't do shit.

>>282384556
LOL

So can moefags stop pretending that they're real otaku now?
You guys are clearly just posers, you're lower than shounenniggers at this point, at least they dislike censorship on principle.

>>282385628
Than*

>>282385429
It's insane that CSM actually ended up winning in the end.
I kneel...

>>282387142
>muh porn
We are talking about anime, not porn.

>>282387266
>Yes, Bocchi having big boobs or bathing naked won't prevent anyone from watching the show.
Anon...
I'm not saying you need to touch grass, but you should at least be aware that grass exists.

>season 2 gets a 2nd director who isn't even japanese
>this happens
YABBA DABBA DOOOOO I LOVE CENSORSHIP TOOOOO

>>282388571
Oh shit ngl I find body suits sexier than leotards so this isn't actually a bad thing for me.

>>282388001
he's wrong, its the opposite actually, one piece (btfos all manga sales) actually increases boob sizes in the anime

>>282388629
Right on queue.

>>282387807
They just love to be mad and ragebait all the time, you can find faggots constantly crying about where are panties when any retard can mod games now

>>282385570
Because japanese boomers are out of touch and the (((tribe))) is already there pushing their matriarchal cuck ideology

>>282388661
Hey man I can't control what I'm into.
Fwiw I'm not going to pay for shit either way, lol. Doesn't really matter what a noncustomer thinks.

I have an anti-censorship fatigue.

>>282388571
Wait what the fuck. Why? They already showed some moderately sexy things in the anime. Why do this here?

>>282382891 (OP)
>ceo of the company that published the article said this
holy kek this just keeps getting better

>>282388571
rinbros... we have narrative significance to our outfit as well... it's cooked...

>>282388792
Context of this tweet?

>>282388834
CEO crashout (he deleted all of this like a bitch btw)

YABBA DABBA DOO IM SUCH A HAPPY KEK

>>282389018
lmao that cap looks so unnecessary and stupid.

literally no one cares, in contrast, the motion to ban assassin creed shadow from releasing in japan had 105800 signatures

>>282384254
She literally said it's okay for you to sexualize whatever you want as a fan. She doesn't care at all.

>>282382891 (OP)
Bocchi's audience is overwhelming male, overweight and smelly so she's wrong

>>282382891 (OP)
I don't even care about the tits, they shouldn't have removed the shadow casted by her hair on her face, without it she just looks like a normal anime girl

>>282388849
So anime companies are now literally becoming anti-otaku.
I wonder how this will work out for them.

Silksong has strong female protagonist that needs no man, basically a feminist, it's massively successful, so what's the reason to not pander to them again? There are weirdos who hate feminism and stuffs like that but obviously it's the very loud minority.

>>282390143
Normal people see that as a bug, an it.

>>282382891 (OP)
She's wrong and only faggots praise censorship

>>282385429
>18+ film
>reze is nippleless for some reason

>>282382891 (OP)
Spamming outrage threads over and over again have the opposite effect on me. I car

>>282382891 (OP)
I will concede one thing and one thing only. We are indeed in the age of streaming, In the past we would have channels like ATX that would broadcast raunchier versions of shows with fanservice, but I feel those days are almost coming to an end.
The yen is flopping and committees are getting blinded by the dollar revenue from Netflix, Disney and Crunchyroll. In a way, as anime kept getting more popular in the west, it was easier for it to fall prey to western influence. More and more westoid names are showing up on credits, which means more of these freaks are poisoning the well from the inside.
All eyes will be on the next election, I heard there is a candidate who is very popular who hates foreigners, maybe if she wins she'll bring back order and things in japan can go back to form.

>>282382891 (OP)
Thank God that my VN, LN and manga backlog is so big.
Death to America.

>>282384078
The chads on the right are more important and actually have the balls to speak out against censorship so this meme is null

>>282388661
What even is this for? It says a month ago

bocchi would've been a hit with or without fanservice
>we can't have tits in this anime that shit is unnatural, i cannot allow my son to watch that
>yes son let's go watch kimetsu in theaters, constant explicit beheadings will turn you into a proper japanese man

>>282382891 (OP)
like all other wokeniggers, they forget bocchi came out during covid, a time where it was basically impossible to not make assloads of money as long as what you made wasnt literal garbage

>>282392556
she has barbie anatomy in the manga too

>>282393736
>raised to kill vs. raised to jerk off

>>282388849
>anime going the vidya path
Well if they bend to the US's will
They deserve to get fucked

>>282393761
I know, because jump is for underage teens, the movie however is 18+

>>282394552
your lies make baby jesus cry, you know anon?

>>282394593
I thought it was rated r in korea

>>282382891 (OP)
removing boobs from a teenager to make it sfw is retarded, like teenagers don't have boobs in real life:
and what are you gonna do about buxom real girls? have them all get boob reduction to fit your retarded prude view of the world? isn't this faggot woman projecting her lust for teenagers?
>oh no mate, kids can't have those kinds of clothes with THAT body
only a pedo would think some shit like this
for being a feminist it's the equivalent of saying "if she didn't want to be raped, she shouldn't have had that body"

>>282382986
/Thread
Kill yourself OP

>>282382986
>Most of her fan art gives her huge boobs
Literally what fan art doesn't? It's why those are called fan art. What a meaningless defense.

>>282382891 (OP)
Legit shocked they haven't instructed Hamazi to make a "fuck you evil otaku pigs" statement yet; even if they do later, the damage will have been done and the ideologues doing "actually, 'noise' is a normal respectable industry term" damage control (tell that to Fukuda who was working in anime when Yoshida was a little kid) are not the ones who drive BD sales. I knew Yoshida was a feminist but I didn't want to make assumptions since Japan still has consistently liberal feminists (instead of "Onlyfans good, drawings bad because nerds like them" types) but I should have expected it given how much she cared about US media and discourse.

Kodama Naoko is a huge feminist yet she hasn't taken the suicidal stance of defending someone who would consider her a child exploiter. Just tweeting about her cats. The "harmful exploitation" fans who felt obligated to do so are the absolute biggest wimps and worse than the genuine anti sex ideologues.

>>282382891 (OP)
Censorship comic updated due to bocchi scriptwriter not allowing bikinis in anime, unless it is hag. No anime this season had bikinis, right? Could anime next season have bikinis since New PM is coming, as no anime was censored when Abe was PM? Aso Taro has kicked Ishiba away by moving chairperson vote forward for freedom of expression. Hope Aso has normalized anime's fanservice scene, as he was angry about Kishida and Ishiba censoring anime.

Kodama Naoko is a huge feminist yet she hasn't taken the suicidal stance of defending someone who would consider her a child exploiter. Just tweeting about her cats. The "harmful exploitation" fans who felt obligated to do so are the absolute biggest wimps and worse than the genuine anti sex ideologues.
>>282390143
No one is falling for this false equivalence. No different from "uhh buhh if you like anything with lesbians in it you need to like anti-sex scolding" go away

>>282390143
There's a different between strong female protagonists which have been in anime, movies and other things forever, and the modern-day "girlboss" type narratives.

>>282387807
The amount of suicidal moefags supporting ideas that would get them jailed, in Japan too, to maintain some sort of "fandom cohesion" and a sense of "it's the freaking reiwa era, things need to change" that they feel would earn them social validity is embarrassing. I don't think moe is inherently bad but when a group hyper-focuses on "pure", nonconfrontational works at the expense of anything else, that tends to attract wimps.

>>282382891 (OP)
>Completely covered tits
>Not even the slightest hint of cleavage, pokies, bounce, etc
This is fan service in 2025 and you can't have it

>>282388001
It's not even just "anime with erotic elements becomes mainstream", it's that turbo-mainstream music videos can resemble softcore porn. Only self-hating nerds buy into this narrative.
>>282388664
Or you can buy something that doesn't require third party alterations to give you what you want.
>>282396515
Almost like normal people aren't terrified of boobs!

But a fucking ad Chibi.

>>282382891 (OP)
I wish I could go back to early 2010's again.

>>282398686
The quality of hentai were also at its peak at around this era, then it went downhill and never recover.

>>282382891 (OP)
She wasn't wrong until she spilled the beans. It would have been left as some vague puritan industry standard before but knowing it's from some Karen with an agenda made it an issue.

>>282398713
Based whoever decided to slip some delicous choco nipples to Gitsune.
You won't see thia kind of stunt anymore in Japan post covid.

>>282389018
Its even zoomed in so you cant see Gen's pecs
thats insane

>>282399218
God I love evil women.

>>282382891 (OP)
Would

If Hamaji is ok with what Yoshida said, I wonder why she hasn't said anything yet. If she put her foot down this "harassment campaign" would be over. It's not like she's been unactive on twitter either.
>>282397972
Zoomer hypebeasts (hoodweebs) dismiss anything that isn't mainstream shonen as diddyggatari by default and are very supportive of censorship, though. Just look how many are defending a recent Dandadan censored design. Practically no group is willing to fight moralfags nowadays.
Also, George Morikawa tweeted in defense of the scriptwriter. Things are grim.

>>282384078
>>282398337
As if the japanese weren't the ones who started the outrage.

>>282397714
Better resolution version of this comic

>>282400137
She would probably get in some trouble if she said anything against it. So probably the best move is to keep quiet.
I doubt she supports it being censored. Doubt she agrees with the "she's underage" argument either since she's a lolicon.

>>282400137
There are times where it's best to say nothing at all no matter what you think. Like Yoshida should have done in the first place.

Demon Slayer did this and it became a worldwide phenomenon. Money talks.

>>282400137
It shouldn't matter what Hamazi tweets, these people harass artists over "problematicness" every day. You can politely still criticize the adaptation and clear condescension.

Link the Morikawa tweet

>>282382891 (OP)
She's right. K-On apparently ran reruns on Disney but had to be edited due to the slop fanservice scenes. Take away the fanservice crap from moe shows like this and Gochiusa and you have literal women's programming. it's a brandrisk

>>282401391
>censored nips
>actual bathing scene, so it's practical to the plot
not even close to the same thing, schizo-kun

this is why I'm spending money on uncensored officially translated hentai doujinshi
put your money where your mouth is or enjoy everything being taken from you

>>282392518
Factually, it isn't. They weren't preventing you from watching the show unedited just because it was harder to pirate back then

>>282401549
It's the same as the manga, and if this was practical for the plot then so was the Bocchi bathing scene.
Also, One piece is another series that is far more explicit than Bocchi and that one is a global phenomenon.
The Bocchi anime wishes it could be them.

>>282401594
>ITS NOT LE CENSORSHIP CAUSE X BULLSHIT

>>282401459
https://x.com/WANPOWANWAN/status/1967775448756260937

>>282382891 (OP)
Will next prime minister(Probably Koizumi Shinjiro) decensor anime and restore bikinis and pantyshots to anime, as Abe Shinzo did? Aso kicked Ishiba away for he was angry at Kishida and Ishiba censoring anime like banning bikinis and pantyshots from anime. No anime this season had bikini. Kanokari? Grand blue? Old hags so pass.

>>282382891 (OP)
The only thing that we must do is hunting subhumans like you retard.

>>282401646
He's using a lot of weasely phrasing, "I may be wrong" etc but what matters in the end is that he's a guy who supported Ken Akamatsu and if this ideology takes hold he'd get attacked similarly (maybe he was, I know Murata was). Hamazi can let money override being called a harmful pedo all she wants and fans can disapprove of ideology being injected in the anime adaptation of a manga they like. That's what he should be told.

>>282382891 (OP)
Watch the S2 flop because of this, maybe not like KF but the otaku in Japan (main audience) won't buy a single bd unless this bitch is gone, you newfags don't understand how spiteful japanese otakus are because you are post 2016 election newfags or 2020 covid newfags

>>282401881
He's being a wimp, implying we have to hold back artists have to hold back their erotic expressions or else they'll be subject to external censorship: https://x.com/WANPOWANWAN/status/1968583197073228232
I've seen this kind of take far too many times. Though, he's not full-on on the censorship camp like Nishii Terumi, so there's that.

>>282382891 (OP)
Gorda puta

>>282401972
Like how is what yoshida said about "sexual exploitation" not count as an attack? Did he read the interview?

>>282401972
Also, Rei Hiroe has been retweeting more callious things against "freedom of expression warriors" otakus despite claiming he's against self-censorship before. Things are far worse than idiots like Chibi believe (like framing Amano Sakuya as against censorship when it was the opposite).

>>282402084
*callous

>>282401972
He's being needlessly wimpy yes but that's not what he's saying at all? Not sure why you took that away from it. He's bringing up that Hamazi praised Yoshida before and using that to claim "there are no victims, it's up to the author's to defend themselves". Which is lame but I don't know if he even knows the entire story. Just say that regardless of any misguided comments it's natural fans will not like the "minor exploitation" parts. I will do that myself and encourage others to.

What did Terumii tweet? Link.

>>282402084
Which creators have spoken out against Yoshida, subtly or not, beyond the initial novelist who kick-started the criticism, Fukuda and the Mushoku Tensei guy?

>>282402007
Again just say that.

>>282402108
I'm just too accostumed to those kind of arguments to not associate them with adjacent talking points.
Terumii has privated her profile for as while because people pointed out her feminist hypocrisy. Back when she was public, she tweeted/rtweeted radfems shitting on otaku culture, Akamatsu, and Taro Yamada. She even retweeted a radfem gloating how she and her followers got a lolicon artist suspended. She claims she's not pro-censorship ("I just want zoning!") but her timeline tells a different story.

>>282382891 (OP)
New anti-fanservice slur dropped
NOISEFAGS BTFO

>>282402144
The Mushoku Tensei author wasn't even criticizing her beyond her word usage,
I know that a hentai artist that I love, Shiwasu no Okina, retweeted things against Yoshida. Beyond that, I don't know.

>>282402239
He responded to some pretty "chud" tweets saying "you shouldn't insult people, but you're right". In his own "Japanese politeness" way, it's clear where he stands.

This woman is so retarded. Why would she start unnecessary drama when season 2 is about to be released?

>>282402084
What did Hiroe retweet?

>>282402239
Fortunately, Takano Saku is still anti-censorship last I checked (she retweeted something about payment processor censorship and made her own tweet).

>>282402295
See
>>282402272

He's being le polite but it's clear what he meant

can't believe tranny janny is STILL mad after getting dunked on a few days ago
why is moderation on every website full of the biggest most egotistical faggotroonies known to man?
this goes beyond autism at this point
definitely some deepseated childhood trauma or something
well adjusted people don't act like this

>>282402280
Because she literally identifies as a "troublesome activist".

>>282402287
Scroll his timeline dude, it's not too far off. He also retweeted things against Taro Yamada for being a LDP pig and not being hard enough against AI.

>>282402214
Terumii just sounds like a moron who agrees with whoever she's talking to. She constantly flipflops on Akamatsu.

>>282402309
He said the scene she changed can be good actually. Sorry if I'm too blackpilled.

>>282402351
She's not going to support us perverts in times of need, that's for sure. Like Naoki Yamamoto has openly stated: "other artists' freedom of erotic expression is not my problem so I'll continue to support the JCP!"

You can't argue with success and popularity and Bocchi went from being a mid-tier Kirara manga to being the magazine's current flagship thanks to the anime.

>>282402401
You have to be deluded the anime's success was because of the nerfs and not because of everything else. A busty Bocchi wouldn't have detracted shit.

>>282402361
Where? You made a mistaken statement before so I wanna see.

>>282402392
>Anonymous
Where did he say that? His statements I read were just cope/denial.

>>282402322
And he's getting dunked again on his own thread, most likely he just applied for the position, my bet is that he's the retarded Kita spammer, dunno why normalfags and newfags make a fucking religion out of anything really, it's literally the same with football, normalfags are really subhumans.

>>282402392
Where did he say that? His statements I read were just cope/denial.

>>282402427
https://x.com/Magote_rihujin/status/1968345226445312481
The assumption in question is that reducing erotic scenes to reach a wider audience is understandable, but it's not: >>282401391

>>282402420
It would've been even a bigger success, bd sales are made by otakus and guess what they like fanservice, now that they have been insulted let's see how it goes for CloverWorks with the next season.

>>282402420
Her work on the manga story was transformative, though, and despite the lack of fanservice the Bocchi anime feels spicier than the average Kirara adaptation due to its very fast pacing going against the usual iyashi-kei fare.

>>282402470
It was a tweet addressing something like: "How can you be in favor of zoning/censorship? Don't you realize that you're throwing your fellow artists under the buss?"

>>282402519
He was like "why should I care about erotic artists I've never met?". A very "fuck you, got mine" attitude.

>>282402546
Again I dislike him but I wanna see it before judging

>>282402492
That's like pretending Keion would've been better with the pantyshots, but nobody gives a shit about the original manga or its dumb cashgrab sequels.

>>282402483
Again wimpy and I disagree but he did say this guy is right beyond "don't be mean" so he acknowledged the "exploitation" part https://x.com/Magote_rihujin/status/1967870800255651970

>>282402578
Simple, that's because the manga is poorly drawn in comparison.

>>282402644
I'm not going to say there's no value to the Bocchi manga, but the anime has considerably more energy, and while a lot of it is because of the director and the animation team, it is also because of the script's fast tempo.

>>282384078
What's the context for this?

>>282402565
It's from like a year ago or something, I don't remember. I just know this shit because I'm autistic af and regularly browse jp twitter.
>>282402633
Why can't more artist be more upfront like Akiman? At this point, I would expect Coolkyou to defend, softly or not, the changes to the Dragon Maid dub, and that terrifies me.

>>282401611
seriously, how the fuck do all these they/thems defending her not see that One Piece is like a hard counter to this bullshit rhetoric. It's THE normal fag manga in Japan and it has shitload of sexual and "problematic" content.

>>282402483
>>282402633
Also I can KIND OF see his perspective since Bocchi the manga gives off more of a "for flapping otaku only" vibe even if I disagree the censorship increased sales (you can "elevate" something in the public consciousness through execution quality alone). I think what everyone needs to focus on is the "exploitation" shit since it's moral scolding.

>>282402678
Tourists are faking outrage to harass creators in the industry because they hate women

>>282402687
Bocchi is more "moe" which creates insecurity. But it still feels like a Kirara moe anime even with the changes, so...

>>282402688
Sanding off the edges is sanding off the edges to me, regardless of capitalism or morality.

>>282402697
We were fans of a woman to begin with.

>>282402687
One Piece's main reader demographic is in their 30s.

>>282402697
She implied Hazami is a sexual exploiter.

>>282402578
Don't pretend to be retarded now, Yamada never said anything to discredit the original author of K-On nor she gloated about censoring it, most people will not get really mad even if they don't like the censorship (literally shikata ga nai) but when someone in the production goes out of their way to discredit the author and the core audience then things go south quickly

>>282402724
I agree but I think it's ideal to focus on the core issue here: "Yoshida is calling you a child exploiter".

>>282402730
So is Bocchi's, lmao.
Statistics showed most people who watched it were male adults.

>>282402697
Every sane person hates modern women yes, take your shitty neovagina out of here.

>>282402741
She praised the author repeatedly in the same interview even before she made the noise comment so I don't know what point you're trying to make.

>>282402748
Well, you're right there.
What about Rei Hiroe? His case is more clear-cut with all that shit he retweeted.

>>282402769
>yeah Hamazi is a great author, she's just a sexual predator
You are dumb

>>282402789
Only retards read between the lines and thing something was actually said.

>>282402784
Only found one going through a ton of tweets honestly. But yeah he sucks.

>>282402934
There's nothing to "read between the lines" over, retard. She said she removed "exploitation of minors".

>>282403140
There were like 4 when I saw. Lemme check.

>>282403181
He retweeted these:
https://nitter.space/yuu_k_1101/status/1967845611052675153#m
https://nitter.space/yowaiwata_08/status/1967748589981139232#m
https://nitter.space/washburn1975/status/1967768727560261812#m
https://nitter.space/lee_wen_xiu/status/1967804071957680619#m
https://nitter.space/youyu9807/status/1967540146116719029#m

>>282403251
>mangaka of one of the best manga and anime of all time is a leftist
Surely there are god tier rightwing mangaka, right?

>>282403383
Not all leftists are like this, but also, no we're not doing this again https://x.com/strugglesm7m/status/1823028769046794440

>>282382891 (OP)
bocchi the rock is good but would have been better with massive titties

>>282403383
Will be hard to find one when nearly all of the greatest mangaka work in kirara.

They are different genres and appeal to different people fucking retard

>>282402682
Tbf iirc MT has friends who aren't comfortable with writing fanservice but kind of forced themselves to do it for a while before deciding to just tune it down so they weren't cringing at their own writing.
So, he probably has some sort of sympathy to the other side of perspective.

I'm glad Bocchi isn't naked like a whore.

I'm sad Bocchi isn't naked like a whore.

>>282394619
A lot of them are christcucks so it makes sense.

>>282402578
I watched all of K-ON, including the movie, and thought it was very fucking boring, so personally a pantyshot would have added a bit of stimulation to my brain.
Lucky Star was far better.

>>282402682
I think George Morikawa's perspective is the result of a politeness "mind block" more than anything ideological. "Authors want their work to be successful, the anime was successful, the staff want no trouble, thus there is no room to say anything, even if the original author is being accused of harmfully exploiting minors. It is simply uncouth to tread this line." I could make a joke about "consume product" but I think there might be a deeper cultural hang-up at play here. Dude's fine with Akamatsu going full chud about feminists, but this is "too far".

On the other hand, "global perspectives and Japan's image within them" along with loud, "uncouth" criticism of "drawn minor exploitation" are why this whole controversy exists. Ignoring for a second that otaku can be just as loud, you can't expect everyone to follow these unspoken industry rules - especially as buyers, not staff. In the end being loud and vocal about your perspective, not psychotic and aggressive but loud and vocal, is still what's most likely to work.

>>282393211
They all bow to money, she'll publicly hate on foreigners while letting another group of foreigners control Japan's economy as long as she gets a cut

>>282401391
Is Mitsuri actually that popular of a character?

>>282388849
Where's the lie?

>>282384722
/a/ is a CGDCT board, faggot.

>>282384722
you're missing out on one of the best shows we've gotten in recent years, really
if you watched csm and thought "wait where is the good direction and the crazy animation we were promised weren't there animators lining up around the block to work on this," bocchi will answer those questions

>>282404283
What should I do with my Black Lagoon manga now that I know Rei Hiroe thinks it's ok to call people like me "sexual exploiters"? I have no twitter (and I don't intend on having one) and I doubt he would listen to someone like me even if I was polite because his timeline shows he's deeply invested in lefty culture war.
"Separate the art from the artist" I know, but it'll still be dwelling in my mind everytime I read it.

>>282403574
I checked the link and a lot of them aren't even that bad. Yeah, they lean right but so what? That's like complaining that a gay guy is a lefty because he supports gay marriage. It's fucking nothing. You'd have to be politics-obsessed retard to be crestfallen over that shit.
The Mamoru Oshi one is literally him saying that China is building up their military and that Japan should do the same thing in preparation. You can be anti-war all you want, but that's not going to stop China, who has been doing everything it can to gain more power, from state-sponsored corporate espionage in other countries to even trying to bully Australia so that they could have access to the parts of Antarctica that the Aussies have legal rights over in hopes of extracting resources there. Does that guy think Ukraine is able to fend of Russia's multiple invasion attempts by having a shitty military?

I'm happy about these threads because they move the conversation away from schizophrenic /pol/ screeds about how
>it's the chinks
>it's the koreans
etc
And puts the blame where it belong which is all domestic Japanese shit.
>>282401584
Like this this shit was fucking killed on purpose what a crime.

>>282401391
Demon Slayer is also bland as shit, so small victories all around.

>>282404658
Doesn't matter; still one of the most successful anime of all time.

I get Bocchi is not focused on being an erotic series but it's still baffling to hear that a natural part of the female anatomy on a teenage girl needs to be toned down because it might filter people. Not to mention there are tons of series, even non-anime, where the sex appeal isn't the selling point but still includes it and are massively popular. This only makes sense if they were making something for little kids, not fucking adult male otaku.

>>282401646
>there's no victim
I mean he's more Japanese than I am but I read publicly airing the anecdote at all as completely self explanatory passive aggressive complaint launched by the mangaka.
>>282402401
I mean you're right but so is >>282402420
There's really no way you can point at the anime and prove a hypothetical, whether it would have been bigger or smaller or the exact same if the fanservice was still there.

>>282404645
Nah, Yoshida explicitly cites US media as a big ideological influence and has English pronouns in bio so America is to blame, as is Japan's excessive politeness culture. However I agree Japanese nationalist views are retarded and so are larpers who parrot them, because if Japanese people were unquestionably friends with them instead this wouldn't have happened. No dog eater shat up my anime! Sorry!

>>282404283
>I think George Morikawa's perspective is the result of a politeness "mind block" more than anything ideological. "Authors want their work to be successful, the anime was successful, the staff want no trouble, thus there is no room to say anything, even if the original author is being accused of harmfully exploiting minors. It is simply uncouth to tread this line." I could make a joke about "consume product" but I think there might be a deeper cultural hang-up at play here. Dude's fine with Akamatsu going full chud about feminists, but this is "too far".
This is why there will be no progress at all. Sure, Akamatsu will block censorship legislation but puritanical rhetoric and corporate censorship will continue to rise, and authors won't say anything about it because "it can't be helped, it's reiwa era now" and fear of being the nail that's hammered down so they end up being replaced by korean creators with spines. Seems japanese cultural stereotypes have a lot of truth to them.

>>282404749
Publicly airing what anecdote? Which mangaka?

>>282404708
>a natural part of the female anatomy on a teenage girl needs to be toned down because it might filter people
Let's not lie, it was drawn that way because fat ass tits are sexy. Nobody here gives a fuck about how teen girls feel about shit.

>>282404769
They ended up like this because westerners with no regard for politeness asserted themselves in their ears, so you gotta do the same.

>>282395999
Funny since kids watch boobs in beach and nothing fucking happens. This is just matriarchal cucks coping

>>282404631
"I'm burning my freaking Nikes!!!!" shit is embarrassing so, sorry, getting a Twitter and telling him you think he's wrong directly is the only answer and the only thing that would be effective if done on a large scale.

>>282404821
And nips are unable to say no nor being agressive
If the ones ruling told them boobs rulz nips would be saying THATS RIGHTO BOOBS RULZ
It's about power

>>282404690
And that's a bad thing.

>>282404753
In the context of 2022 she would've been more correct (I guess we could call it that) but right now wokism is fading. People are fucking tired of it and numbers all point to the funds backing not being as deep anymore. Some recent pushes feel like the death knell of this trend disappearing as people really stop giving a shit the moment you actually ban porn just like tumblr became a barren wasteland when they decided to remove this type of content.

Drinking the woke koolaid this late is just shooting themselves in the foot but being Japan they will insist on it for a while before catching up to the rest of the world.

>>282404769
I'm sorry if I come off as a doomer, but I haven't seen signs that the puritan mindset that took over american nerd media is being challenged enough in Japan. They're increasingly adopting "woke puritanism" ideas, while such things are slowing down a bit in the west.

>>282404800
Its hard to take any of this shit seriously when 90% of the time its all "I love how loli are children and anime made me hate women" pick one and stick with it.
Is reality seperate from fiction? Then shut the fuck up about muh loli rape and woman hate all the fucking time. Is fiction the same as reality? Then dont be surprised when the people who think you want to rape children and actually hate women take away shit.
That simple.

>>282400137
She would receive a ton of harassment whatever side shes takes, so it's better to just not take one at all.

>>282404900
Chinks and gooks are eating their public because nips are this retarded

>>282401960
Chinks are even more agressive

>>282404872
#notall but... Yeah that's why you gotta be louder than the anti-boob side. Can't go "well it can't be helped" and throw your hands in the air, you gotta make yourself heard even more. And it's GOOD that Twitter is where they all congregate because as much as I think Elon is a piece of shit, his takeover did make the western side less of an echo chamber. tl;dr organize nigga

>>282404855
I'm not burning anything, but I don't think I'll buy more from him.
People aren't active enough to tweet Hiroe anything, and if they tried they'll be mocked so their concerns feel like non-issues. It's hopeless. The tweets he retweeted were very telling.

>>282382891 (OP)
is it a coincidence that she's so ugly and no one wants fanservice of her?

I really don't give a shit about this whole "controversy". Anime has been toning down fanservice from manga for fucking decades, whether it's to meet broadcast regulations or expand the audience or whatever. I still remember pic related having Natsumi nipples and pantyshots in the manga that never made it to the anime because the anime wanted a younger audience and this was in like 2004. The anime hasn't caused the manga to be deleted from existence.

>>282404900
Again you can hurry up the process by just being vocal. If a creator is whiteknighting this "exploiting minors" shit for politeness/"don't rock the boat" reasons tell them "no that sucks". Not in a harassing way but an assertive way. Remember tons of Japanese otaku feel the same way.

>"I dont think its okay for teens to get sexualized"
>instead of going fiction is fiction and reality is reality, say "but teens really have massive honkers! Are you saying they should be ashamed"???
>"maybe shes mad because shes not fuckable!!!"
Are you retards purposely trying to prove the point that fanservice should be banned?

Dropped

>>282403251
>https://nitter.space/youyu9807/status/1967540146116719029#m
How the hell is a Blue Archive fan or all people defending her?

The fact that the anime was already a massive hit, massively popular back in 2022 and still influential until now, and yet no one bitched about "muh censorship" controversy before until only recently, says everything you need to know

>>282400137
>If Hamaji is ok with what Yoshida said, I wonder why she hasn't said anything yet. If she put her foot down this "harassment campaign" would be over.
Speak out and say what?
If the situation is anything like the Konohana Kitan one, then she dislikes the changes but agreed on it being a necessary compromise for the anime.
In that case, she can't speak out against it since she already signed off that she's okay with it, and she doesn't want to speak out in favor of it since she's personally against it.

>>282405031
oops wrong one
>https://nitter.space/lee_wen_xiu/status/1967804071957680619#m

>>282404970
So make him feel like he's losing money & send a message to his industry friends, dummy. It's good if he gets uppity and QTs you. "Well logically it won't have a big impact" logically the whiners on the other side don't and they still listen.

>>282382891 (OP)
Go talk to your parents if you want validation, asshole.

>>282403251
The same people in Japan that talk about how seeing at panty in anime makes men into Train Molesters (I'm serious that's not from my ass) would want Hiroe barred from doing things like publishing his R18 doujinshi.
It's really tiresome to see someone like him taking the side of the censorious because they're on "his" side.

>>282401391
The fact is Shinobu is a much more popular female character than that pink hair whore, despite wearing a full body suit and never showed any skin at all.

>>282404990
It's that Yoshida framed it in a moral activist "stop harming kids" way which changes the impact hugely, sillybun.

>>282405038
See
>>282405064

>>282405062
Because Mitsuri is FAT.

>>282404957
Nips are terrified of being cancelled. Hell the Wukong devs said the (((consulting))) companies tried to extort 7 millions from them for their (((advice))).
We also saw Anita Sarkeesian blackmailing companies into accepting her services or else journos will reviewbomb their game
Hell, some minister and his family were found burned alive because the minister opposed immigration

>>282401391
Counteracted by atrocious character design.

>>282405062
Fangirls ship them together, they like both, fuck off.

>>282382891 (OP)
... am i the only one who prefers anime bocchi?

>>282405042
Dude literally retweets loli porn and is defending her. Can't make this shit up.

>>282401646
Why would I stop, if violence is exactly what I want?

>>282405011
It's a factually correct statement that wouldn't be controversial just a few years ago.

>>282405099
Almost like burgers are the ones making mountains out of molehills or something.

>>282405080
Sweet Baby not Anita IIRC but yeah who cares, no one is gonna kill you IN JAPAN over drawing or defending drawn jailbait tits. Make em feel the pressure, stop making excuses.

>>282405099
name one thing she did wrong

>>282405125
>>282405131
>(You)
Got what you wanted?

>>282405125
113k likes on jap tweet shitting on her from a prominent novelist. Get raped.

>>282405145
>Get raped.
Sorry. Not a homo.

>>282405129
Are you sure? They have mkuktra'd schizos prepared for the ones who going against the Tribe.

>>282401646
>Won't anyone please think of the poor evil people!
>Giving them 0.1% of the punishment they deserve in the form of mean words over the internet is way too cruel!
>You MUST stop this instant and let them get away scott free!

>>282404769
Next time some anime of a series I like is hit with 4kids-tier censorship, I'm just going to be told by japanese industry people that it's ok because the creator is fine about it and it's not done by the government, even by those who are supposedly anti-censorship. How swell.

So here we are bitching about a popular criticially acclaimed anime that ended like 3 years ago just because of some random bitch's words

>>282403383
Applying your batshit insane political window to the Japanese is retarded. The American "right wing" dogma is pure hedonism, where the murder of the homeless is viewed as sport and Christianity is warped to such a perverse extent that the words of Jesus Christ himself are considered too woke and must be removed from churches. Conservatives in almost any other country would look like a full blown Communist to you simply because they probably aren't vicious psychopaths with a dangerously low, borderline retarded IQ.

Hell, the American right has recently become fucking pro taxation solely for the purpose of hurting their neighbors and giving their precious god-billionaires and Israel more hard-earned and deserved money.

>>282405118
If anything, its because people are so fucking tired of the gooners and pedos being so ridiculously outspoken and not shutting the fuck up recently that this sort of conservatism became a lot more palatable. Learn to have some sort of tact instead of bleeping like a tard about a how teenagers have big tits, ffs. The more you do it, the more people will see it as just gross if not indefensible and will go "eh, if it finally shuts that sort of people up, then I don't care."

>>282405099
>>282405042
>bro who cares if she wants me to get raped in jail as long as the story is good
>bro who cares the chef stuck his dick in this cake, it's a good cake
Food metaphor I know but christ

>>282405196
You sure have such a vivid imagination about getting raped in jail and eating someone's dick

>>282405186
>STOP NOTICING!
Kill yourself shill

>>282405062
And yet, Mitsuri's erotic body didn't stop Demon Slayer from claiming absolute dominance, directly contradicting Yoshida's claims.

>>282405194
>>reddit

Japs are so fucking stupid

>>282405208
Yeah I'm gay and love rapecock. What's wrong with that bro, it's the reiwa era.
>>282405213
There's no logic. She thinks that by screaming out her ideal vision of reality that reality will materialize.
>>282405177
>You might hurt the production with your words
Good, who cares.

>>282402678
The context is censorship good, actually and it's ok when Japan does it. If you disagree bots that outnumber you by a multiple of 2 will appear to argue in bad faith

>>282405186
It's the weekend, so it's only going to get worse.

>>282402697
We love fictional women
We hate real women because they refuse to have sex with us.

>>282404900
The only part of wokism that's actually dying is the LGBT part of it. They'll still push censorship and girlboss type shit, but it will be presented in a "Christian feminist" way in the hopes that it will align more with conservative American values. Karencore will expand beyond TV crime dramas.

>>282405125
I haven't read a single solitary English word about this controversy, these threads excepted. The Nips be nipping amongst themselves.

>>282405210
There's a difference between noticing, and making a thread every fucking day at every fucking hour.

>>282405304
The threads will continue until morale is 0

>>282400160
Every Japanese tweet I see about this is either saying they don't care or are upset that gaijins are harassing the staff of an extremely popular anime everyone likes over concepts they don't understand (American conservatism and its constant need to bully anything they deem "leftist").

>>282402769
One direct insult cancels out a thousand empty pleasantries.
She literally said that the original manga was "speaking out 'come on and sexually exploit me'", and they the original author didn't consider that "they may be drawings, but they're still minors"

>>282405317
So this is how /a/ dies.
With autistic seethe.

>>282403779
>only whores take off their clothes when bathing in their own home

>>282405300
True. We're back to the Bush era.

>>282405335
Link it I want to call her a nigger

>>282382891 (OP)
bocchi succeeded due to the 10/10 direction and presentation, it would have been just as succesful with fanservice

>>282405332
I read jp twitter daily and I know this is not true. Gaijins are far from being a concern.

>>282405365
Exactly.
Bisque is very successful too and it was very faithful to the fanservice (sans nipples).

>>282405365
Probably more so due to people posting clips and such of the fanservice like they do with every anime, which always go viral, giving even more attention to it.

>>282404283
>On the other hand, "global perspectives and Japan's image within them" along with loud, "uncouth" criticism of "drawn minor exploitation" are why this whole controversy exists
Actually, that's not true.
The actual reason why this whole controversy exists is because a bunch of otaku misunderstood the meaning of the word "noise".
Some people went on to actually read the whole interview and notice all the much worse shit she said, like the stuff about minor exploitation, but most didn't, and even after those who did tried talking about it, it still never really caught on in the public discourse about the interview.
Without the "noise" misunderstanding, this would never have gotten big enough for westerners to notice it and make 4chan threads about it.

>I NEED TO DO THINGS THE WEST SHOWED ME WERE BAD A DECADE AGO!!!
Why dothe samurai bugmen do this

I could honestly see China start investing heavily into animation and start making their own "anime" with tons of fanservice like the 2000s-mid 2010s golden age just as Japan really starts going all in on neutering their own anime for "global appeal", eventually overtaking actual Japanese anime while they question "how could this have happened?? the global push was supposed to make us even bigger!". Hell Mihoyo or some other major gacha company alone could start a whole Chinese anime industry if they wanted.

or maybe im just retarded

>>282405046
Are you brave enough to tweet at him like with Morikawa? Not trying to antagonize you with this, as I'd like to see people doing it.

>>282405483
Chinese media is even more censored in general, they lack creativity as a people, and their language sounds like nails on a chalkboard.

>>282405386
The "noise" shit is clearly condescending, anime industry veteran Fukuda thinks so. Enough gaslighting. The novelist who started it just didn't want to go "yes underage tits rule" so he focused on "noise" but it's quite clear many see what's going on. Many are criticizing her politics.

>>282405332
Yes because the Japanese otaku already exhausted all their words against it, the ones that are still calmly talking about it in the last 24 hours are only those in favor of it.
Do note that 4 days ago the shit storm intensity was a hundred time stronger on Japanese twitter, 2chan and 5ch than it was on 4chan. That's why these threads still continue while the Japanese are already tired of it: they already talked about it 10x more in half the time.

>>282405494
I'm not really a fan so saying "you lost a consumer" will hold no water. With Morikawa it was about the general debate (Hiroe is just Rating after all). Again you do it, maybe show photos of volumes

>>282405506
>Chinese media is even more censored in general
True. I did kinda forget about that. Their gachas get pretty fanservicey though, so maybe there's some way around that.
>their language sounds like nails on a chalkboard.
Ironically they could just hire Japanese VAs as the standard voices. That's already what they do for most of their gachas, where Japanese is kinda the "standard default" voice language.

>>282405368
>I read jp twiteter daily
One, spending any significant amount of time on twitter that isn't browsing artwork is fucking stupid. I only see this because the algorithm feeds me Bocchi material since I follow many artists, and the most liked tweets are saying this shit is dumb. The second you go outside of art twitter you get swamped with Indian spambots and the biggest retards on earth ragebaiting for pennies.

Two, you probably follow a bunch of political JP accounts. The ones I saw talking about this that were attacking her were just politcal accounts that barely ever mentioned anime or manga outside of social issues and mostly tweeted about inflation, immigration, or how heckin based Trump and Putin are which is a pretty big red flag considering how both are explicitly anti Japanese right now, China aside.

>>282405332
Bullshit, Japanese accounts are countering Morikawa right now. No defensive tweet got 113k likes. I specifically explored both sides meanwhile you're likely affected by your algorithm. But I don't buy "they're mad at da chud westerners" either, the other side goes after jp otaku constantly.

>>282405506
But somehow, they release stuff like Azur Lane and Girls' Frontline 2 to the world, so it's not too crazy to think they could capitalize on the japanese cucking out.

>>282405542
The 113k likes guy who started it is a novelist that turbo-liberal Masaaki Yuasa follows. You're the one trying to frame this in a partisan "only chuds care" way.

>>282405494
I'm not really a fan so saying "you lost a consumer" will hold no water. With Morikawa it was about the general debate (Hiroe is just RT after all). Again you do it, maybe show photos of volumes

>>282405542
The ones criticizing her are "freedom of expression warriors" who have actively tweeting about these things since the Uzaki-chan fiasco. They're very connected with otaku culture, and some of them identify themselves as liberal feminists. The person who blew this was the creator of the Ameku detective novel that got and anime and got 100k likes for it.
Again, gaijins and Chibi are far from being a concern.

>>282405597
*that got an anime

It's funny how /a/ claims not to be wapanese but refuses to admit Japan can be wrong about things sometimes not even just this specific issue

>>282405574
>>282405542
Also "th...the chuds don't even like it" meanwhile political accounts completely detached from otaku culture are some of the most ardent defenders who significantly set the stage for that side of the argument
>>282405597
Again Yuasa follows that dude. Why would lifelong progressive Yuasa follow the Japanese equivalent of The Quartering? "Only RW culture warriors care" is such transparent disingenuous narrative-building.

>>282405622
The doctor novelist is also a liberal who heavily bashed Sanseito, lmao.
>>282405582
I'm afraid a twitter account would be worse for my mental health.

Yoshida is spouting american talking points which puts her at odds with a solid chunk of jp of either side.

>>282405684
She literally has English "she/her" pronouns on her otherwise entirely Japanese Twitter bio. She's quite literally a Japanese American liberal.

>>282405621
Yeah neto-uyo are the ones in the wrong.

>>282405643
Again, good. "Wahhh the chinks and gooks" Japanese nationalism does nothing to counter these issues and normalfag liberals disagreeing with Yoshida types is good. Makes it less of a left vs right issue which it never should've been.

Also just make a throwaway and use a photo for validity.
>>282405300
Irrelevant here since Yoshida is clearly not that kind of feminist. I doubt they'll make anime for Collective Shout type ideologues but if they do we'll shit on it when it happens.

BTR is nothing more than soulless slop for ""quirky"" 2005+ zoomers.

>>282405745
>Also just make a throwaway and use a photo for validity.
I'm a very compulsive person so I'm afraid that would be the point of no return. :(

>>282405745
This entire issue could've been handled must better if Yoshida's opinions had more depth than just "i saw this on american tv once" which is surprising since she works like a decently competent writer.
Now this has entire thing has become "muh side" nonsense where grifters farm points without doing anything to counter the situation in a substantial way.

>>282405711
Again, cites a minor character in Fury Road as her feminist role model and decided to dedicate a good chunk of her career to "aroace representation" after finding out that's a thing from US TV. Organic asian culture!
>>282405724
Drama started with a liberal novelist. Your direction-brain shit ain't gonna work here.
>>282405798
Which is why I say reasonably counter this stuff when industry people defend it.

>>282405757
It's a cgdct band show, how can you hate it?

Kerorira is saying the same thing as the scriptwriter.

>>282405711
>She's quite literally a Japanese American liberal.
She smells more Korean to me

>>282405886
There is an ideological difference in the open here.
Kerorira art style itself makes most characters to be as malleable as possible usually, while Yoshida was rooted more in exploitation and shit.

>>282405798
>>282405830
Also, I doubt Yoshida even had these views when she joined the industry. It's like someone reasonable becoming a religious zealot. I'm sure Kazuyoshi Yaginuma was a reasonable, fun-to-work-with guy before Hitler fancams broke his old man brain and he started saying shit like "dark anime exists because of jews".
>>282405764
Do what you wish but my advice is stop yourself quick before you gain a circle of followers or make friends there, that's the line to not cross.
>>282405894
I know Korean feminists. She is not one. >>282405830

>>282405886
>a high school girl having boobs is just "noise"
Shows there's no saving this industry.

>>282405923
Very damning how anime staff use such terms to describe the things they're adapting and mangaka having to accept that, willingly or not, Reminds me how writers are more valued than cartoonists in the american cartoon industry.

>>282404631
Eat shit moenigger

>>282404708
>natural part of the female anatomy on a teenage girl
We're talking about a cartoon you loony troon. Get a grip.

>>282405990
Black Lagoon is not particularly moe, retard-kun. 9('w')9

>>282382891 (OP)
Woke has reached japan

>>282405975
Manga is the medium of artistic creativity, anime is the medium of pandering to the lowest common denominator.
This has been true for decades.
It can't be helped when anime is a product made by a thousand people with investments from a hundred companies, meanwhile manga is done by one person and one advisor.

>>282406003
>YOU ARE A TROON FOR LIKING TITS AIIIEEEEEEE
I recommend going back.

>>282404912
This. Otaku aren't worth listening.

>>282406016
Been that way since at least 2020, though it's only getting worse.

>>282406034
And yet you come to this otaku website to listen to us. Curious.

>>282406034
Posted on the wrong subreddit

>>282404631
Just pretend he wrote it before turning retarded. Which is likely actually true. Political brainrot can affect someone super quick.

>>282405189
Truth nuke

>>282405886
Explains the Nijigasaki movie. Good on Bamco for shitcanning him after the complaints, even if it messed with the production schedule.

In a way, Bocchi turned out to be the worst of the Kirara adaptations.

>>282405194
Thus.

>>282406034
>>282404912
I don't hate women retards and quite a few of my stances on the importance of female authors and fans would be seen as "SJW shit". I just don't like sex-negativity.

>>282406025
Concession accepted otaku.

>>282406102
>sex-negativity
You literally never had sex who are you kidding.

>>282406084
>>282405194
At least you retards admit your "da gooners!!!" shit is actually social conservatism. Baby steps!
>>282406077
What complaints?

>>282406044
>>282406047
Kill yourselves.

>>282406150
I suck fat dicks because I'm gay. Reiwa.

>>282406162
It's always kitafags.

>>282406044
Just as we live in a society.

>>282405365
I generally think western animation elitists' prejudice against "animation writers" doesn't apply to anime but in this case yeah, the writing was there in the manga and a lot of the extra appeal comes from the anime's execution beyond that. Yoshida's job here is totally stolen valor.

>>282406194
We are forced to live in a society, but you are not forced to live among otaku.

>>282406154
And you're gonna pretend to be some progressive? You fucking faggot.

>>282406160
You resorted to violence because your argument lost. You can't kill me yourself because you're a coward, so outsource the job huh?

>>282406228
Bend too much on either side and you'll eventually end up in the same place.

>>282406224
It's not even an otaku thing. Better remove the "noise" in One Piece or else it's functionally indiscernible from Seikon no Qwaser. Fujiko's tits make Lupin a late night softcore otaku anime with zero mainstream appeal. Why does Faye have to be dressed like that? We have a responsibility as creators!
>>282406228
No but definitely more socially liberal than you losers.

>>282406231
I answer with 'kys' precisely because you avoided the point.

>>282406260
You have to make a point for it to be avoided. Bigoted, hateful rhetoric towards marginalized groups has no place here.

Bocchi was popular because they removed the fanservice. Just watch ecchi like that magic girl show and that firefighter show

>>282406256
>claims to be socially liberal
>doesn't actually leave his house
your anti-censorship bromides aside, just being a degenerate porno addict doesn't quite make one a paragon of social liberalism, what a strange line of thought

>>282403383
>BL
>one of the best anything
Man lefties sure are starved for even the tinniest of attention

>>282402280
Is the best.
This truly is a blessing in disguise.
Otakus are preparing to boicot season so bad than it might actually flop.
Heck a lot of them say they arent gonna watch it in emision and would use chinese pirate sities to watch it, with Is really big.
Also they are aware than buy DVD blue rays and merchandising of the season 2 Is a big no.
Is crazy how furius they are.
Hope it flops so this shit get deeper and deeper

>>282406276
>marginalized groups
Pathetic.

>>282406322
Nooooo my season 3 wtf

>>282406309
This. It's almost funny.
>>282406322
They won't do shit because they're animals.

>>282406309
It makes them more of social liberal than you, a pro-censorship scumbag aka a fascist.

>>282406299
Thanks, Yoshida-san!

>>282406299
Yoshida thinks you're a child molester.

ummm was this REALLY necessary?

>>282406299
Thanks for your kind advice, Yoshida-san!

>>282406340
Seems the gundam bluesky commie has arrived.

>>282405304
Yeah we better use that thread space for another shonenshit/yurishit general

>>282382891 (OP)
So was she fired. Didn't nips get the csm dude fired for insulting otaku.

>>282406391
Yoshida was more eloquent in her wording at best she'll get blacklisted by some people for a while.

>>282406340
Otakus are well known for doing a lot of shit in Japan so too bad for you, BtR s2 is doomed

Another published author who commented critically on this. Generally "chuddy" guy but it's there. https://x.com/macchiMC72/status/1967472614219436292

>>282406391
If they fire her it'll be seen as an assault on women as dumb as that is, I just hope she'll shut up and stop morally judging anime tits

>>282406530
No it won't, Japan isn't America

>>282406434
>an AGPcgdctroon show gets cancelled
My win then.

>>282406377
At least those are actually about anime and manga.

>>282406373
I'm not your tulpa faggot.

>doesn't censor your series
APOLOGIZE

>>282406605
And so is this thread, you are just a mad autist.

>>282406625
he's not a screenwriter

Daily reminder that sexuality is a crucial part of life.

>>282406625
I don't watch shonenshit but he literally censored the faces because it wasn't cinematic

>>282406627
No, this thread is just an excuse about culture war shit and personal grievances, because you can't go a day without being a crying faggot.

>>282406707
The thread is clearly about the declarations made by Yoshida about the anime bocchi the rock and how they will affect the anime scene, you are just a literal tranny seething about it which is funny because that's exactly the people that are defending Yoshida if you search her name on xitter.

>>282406730
Of fucking course you're tranny obsessed.

>>282406734
I'm not, go to xitter and search for last posts about the screenwriter retard, the only one obsessed is you and you and your kind and you have been constantly dunked thread after thread

>>282406804
I don't fucking care what xitter randos think.

>>282405365
Lmao bullshit, then explain how Onimai and Ruri Rocks werent as popular as Bocchi. People actling like unfiltered Ranma 1/2 straight from the 90s would do well today

>>282406632
Then why aren't you having sex?

At some point between 2011 and today, people lost the ability to say "no" to suggestions to self-censor

>>282382891 (OP)
>because she claimed it would prevent the majority from watching it.
The "majority"? Are you taking a few liberties to paraphrase?

>>282406874
REEEE! GET THAT DISGUSTING "noise" OUT OF HERE AHHHHH!!

>>282406874
>joke still frame
So what's the difference here

>>282406874
You pedos are insufferable. Always obsessed with the same little girls shit.

>>282406874
>the 2010s boogeyman

>>282406914
>>>/pol/ is down the hall and to the left.

>>282406821
You are the xitter random by the way, you act literally the same so yes you care

>>282406874
Anime today would 10000% use the censorshorts.

>>282406924
Go yourself, you'll feel right at home with your fellow jeets.

>>282406931
Don't even have an account.
>you act literally the same
lmao. and you somehow don't?

A good parallel for George Morikawa's perspective would be Takaya Imamura on social media shifting from "now that Abe is gone the LDP is fucked, Japan is in danger, we NEED to vote for this far right anti gay candidate" to "I feel so bad for the team of Concord..." It's a blanket deference to "creators" in general as an "industry person". The problem is creators more influenced by US attitudes lack this Japanese deference.

>>282406945
Note how it's so often the people trying to shut down discussion bringing in offtopic politics
>>282406919
Except it's 100% correct

Ah, so noisy

>>282407010
You're a faggy gooner suddenly turning on the same cgdct garbage you previously LOVED because of a stray remark. Shut the fuck up and get a job already so your mother can finally be at ease.

>Say you didn't like the show
>"Oh so you're not a fan. Shut up then."
>Say you did like the show
>"You liked it before, why not now? Hypocrite."

>>282407044
Said the janny

Anime is dying and they need to pander to west and china simple as

>>282407044
Can't.
He has a pathological need to screech about whatever boogieman is bugging him.
That's why this thread has been spammed all week.

>>282407044
Not him, but I still like the anime. You can criticize things while still generally liking them you know? Also
>gooner
You need to leave.

>>282407010
Talking about anime on /a/ nah better have another shitty general with bots and schizos spamming the same images/posts for months or even years

>>282382891 (OP)
I want to watch anime with my daughter. I can't if it has fanservice in it.

>>282407107
That was a damn good anime. TNK is simply the best studio no contest.

>>282407098
It's just like every social media platform now, there's no turning back for the Internet after Big Tech decided that only engagement mattered, and saw that rage baiting was the easiest way to drive engagement.

>>282407110
That's too bad. I guess you'll just have to watch something else instead.

>>282407110
you should wonder why you'd rather let her see child soldiers violently behead humanoid demons than seeing something completely natural like female anatomy and its effect on young boys

>>282382891 (OP)
I don't agree with the censorship, but since it was all consensual, it's not a big deal. Calling fanservice "noise," however, is not acceptable. Fuck 'em.

>>282407110
I will show her Shoujo Ramune and feed her some yogurt

>>282407110
Why don't you watch kodomo then? You know that it's a thing, right? You aren't a shonentard tourist from twitter, aren't you?

>>282407023
Fuck this shit, flat bocchi in maid outfit is cuter and superior

>>282407148
NTA Good thing Bocchi exist. Too bad for you tho, you're stuck with shit like Hinako Note for pedo shows

>>282406391
The BTR team likely doesn’t care about her opinion, only revenue, as she hasn’t even been warned for stirring up paypigs

>>282382891 (OP)
I just wish people approached censorship and localization discourse inn a mature way instead of shitflinging and name calling that only brings fearmongering and grifting from both sides

>>282407110
your daughterwife?

>>282407023
Take that down, man, it’s so obscene. A child could see it and imitates that antisocial behavior. Big boobs are just a NO!

People acting like she’s solely responsible for the changes as if Director Saito and the mangaka didn’t look at the script and approved them anyway alongside Kerorira and animation producer Shouta Umehara and the rest of the staff.

So is the manga good then?

>>282382891 (OP)
sucks but not a big deal 2bh

>>282407587
Standard Kirara fare, if you like those kind if manga then you'll enjoy it.

>>282407559
Did Frieren tune down the fanservice I hear normalfags loved it too

>>282407110
Yes, you can. You daughter won't mind.

>>282407356
The problem is it's been shown shitflinging and name-calling is what works as long as people take social media seriously

Why do Japanese people call the author Hamaziaki while westerners call her just Hamazi?

>>282408576
And Japanese people in particular take Twitter VERY seriously.
Much more than ">twitter thread" fags realize
It basically serves as their version of LinkedIn, and more.

>>282382891 (OP)
Is picrel one example of the "censorship" she's talking about? Because it's so tame that I would've thought it was a simple artistic choice rather than some feminist making a stink. Very weird that she's bragging about it and trying to incite culture war BS and for that alone I hope s2 flops.

>>282410518
They also removed bath scenes and such.

>>282382891 (OP)
Just an excuse, but in reality seething in jealousy about bigger boobs. Which is silly because people actually like flat Kita in addition to busty Bocchi.

>>282406632
That’s one of the hottest 2d women I’ve ever seen

>>282407110
Watch Bluey with your daughter you fucking leftist retard. You should’ve been sterilized.

Keroria also used the word noise when describing why he simplifies character designs for animation.

gay, but she's right

>>282382891 (OP)
>she claimed it would prevent the majority from watching it
Weird. Sex sells. It's the entire point of fan service in the first place. Hopefully someone makes her boss understand that.

>>282407110
You mean your worried your daughter might see a boob?

>>282386616
The reaction of people who don't pay for a vandalized product is positive of course.
3DPD Women are evil.

>>282382891 (OP)
Scriptwriters always did some censorship when adapting manga to anime. You're so new to get outraged over this.

>>282413052
>Bocchi is kodomoslop
Oh no no no Bocchitoddlers

>>282413430
How the FUCK is demon slayer for kids

>>282411993
>sex sells
We are living in a post-sales economy.
All that matters is ad revenue.
It doesn't matter how many people you can sell sex to, what matters is how many people would cancel it.

>>282411993
Hey can you tell toei sex sells so they can put panty shots in every frame of precure, they apparently didn't get the message, I'm sure that will drive the ratings way up. They really need your sage wisdom please I'm begging you, you're wasting your amazing talent for business posting on imageboards when you should be a media consultant please anon the world needs you

>>282413977
Precure is for little girls. Different demographic.

>>282414027
>>282413052
!!!

>>282413855
The more people see the show for ass and tiddies, the more you convert a percentage of views into ad revenue. Same as before.

>>282382891 (OP)
Anyone who censors anime shouldn't be in the industry

>>282407110
You know your daughter wont give a shit, right?

>>282413496
anon...

>>282413052
This would never have been possible without Yoshida Erika's amazing work on cleaning Bocchi up and making it family-friendly.

>>282415509
Demon Slayer is there too: >>282401391

>>282413496
Different cultural standards. But it did originally air at night cuz gore

>>282413430
Conan is kodomo too and that has murder.

>>282417168
Spy X Family too.
Doraemon and Shin-chan can be very raunchy.
Yoshida would think all these series should remove all that "noise" to be successful.

>>282382891 (OP)
I would say it succeeded in spite of the sabotage. Not because of it.

>>282416888
Puniru also originally aired at midnight and then the second cour was moved to prime time.

Isn't Puniru a successful kodomo series despite having many soft-ecchi scenes?

>>282406595
>totally not a /pol/tard guys!!

>>282417819
Japanese otaku reacted in non negligible numbers (especially for JP X) and they're not /pol/ users
Just get over it. Some people think censorship is bad and it's perfectly reasonable. It doesn't have to come with all those strings attached you imagine.

>>282417862
Correct, the people defending censorship are conservative /pol/tards, as they confessed in this very thread.

>>282418052
Not really, but I don't care if you want to label some of the pro censorship as evangelical puritans (I don't think they're anywhere near the "other team" in numbers). What matters is that we all agree that censorship is retarded and the screenwriter stepped out of line with what she said

>>282382891 (OP)
Not censorship btw.

>>282418208
Use the word you want for it. It's absolutely stepping out of line and deserves the customer backlash it's currently getting.

>>282418317
A loud minority complaining is nothing to write home about.

>>282418392
>loud minority
Lol. Numbers speak against you. That shit wasn't small for Japan SNS numbers.

>>282388815
I hope they just straight up change Rin's outfit because the turtle bikini is unironically the most retarded design I've seen Tatsu think up. By itself it's Boruto levels of >the author wants to but can't into /fa/

>>282407268
Flat with cleavage would have been ideal.

>>282418660
Absolutely based

>>282406474
Carlo Zen (Tanya author) retweeted Rihujin's comments.

>>282382891 (OP)
If she'd actually said money talks there wouldn't be any trouble and otaku would take it honestly. Instead it's delivered with 50 pounds of moralistic self-satisfaction in a 40 pound bag

>>282382891 (OP)
No, she's not wrong. Fanservice is liked only by a loud minority. Normal people don't care for lots of sexualization, despite what outrage baiters and grifters say.

>>282419225
>it's tourists!
>it's otaku!
>it's pedos!
>it's futaba bots!
>it's gaijin!
>it's jap right-wingers!
>it's /pol/!
>it's trannies!
>it's jeets!
>it's AGP troons!
and now
>it's outrage baiters and grifters!
Can pro-censorship people make up their minds already? Choose a boogeyman and stick with it, otherwise you'll just embarrass yourself even further.

>>282413496
Have you seen the majority of the Demon Slayer fanbase?

>>282415584
>shonen has more fanservice than seinen
what is this timeline

>>282382891 (OP)
Who cares.

>>282382891 (OP)
It still gets a TV 14 age rating in the US regardless because that just happens to all anime even stuff with nothing or barely anything inappropriate like Nichijou.

>>282404588
Bocchi lost, CSM won!

>>282405377
Bisque is not more popular than Bocchi. And Bisque's cultural presence is more synonymous with NTR culture. Bring up Mari anywhere in the discussion, and many people will quickly associate her with cuckoldry.

Bocchi's presence in anime culture, on the other hand, is pure. This is mostly thanks to the anime not sexualizing her.

>>282419953
The movie somehow got an R-equivalent rating in a lot of places

>>282420534
CSM is shit.

>>282413052
How is bocchi there when it has an 80% male audience

>>282421608
Narrative pushing.

>>282406625
what's the opposite of censorship where they add a bunch of shit no one wants

>>282421429
Uh... 23 is young.

>>282418317
Don't want her fired but I want her to stop being retarded. Industry feminists who don't push this shit exist.

>>282419225
You're retarded. People love Fairy Tail.

>>282421897
>Don't want her fired but I want her to stop being retarded
Fired might be overkill (or not, depending on your perspective and lots of other variables we don't know anyway) but at the very least shitting on her publicly to set the records straight is necessary and much welcomed. The Japanese aren't as cucked as the westoids

>Industry feminists who don't push this shit exist.
They're still quite cancerous as a whole. Honestly it's harder to find the good apples than the bad ones at that point.

>>282405483
>Shilling censor happy Chinese
>On a fucking censorship thread
Yes, you are retarded

>>282405561
They also censor Snowbreak and ZZZ. There is a censored one and there is a non censored ones just like the Nips

>>282405894
I smell Koreans in this thread

>>282407110
This is unironically what scriptwriters and directors have to worry about.