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Anonymous No.282413017 [Report] >>282413154 >>282413197 >>282413347 >>282413538 >>282413636 >>282413822 >>282414085 >>282416699 >>282418269 >>282421546 >>282421773 >>282422025
i can't believe women are so far detached from reality
Anonymous No.282413035 [Report] >>282413075 >>282413115 >>282413129 >>282413662 >>282414136
haven't seen this, what makes it detached from reality
Anonymous No.282413059 [Report]
height is everything

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Anonymous No.282413075 [Report] >>282413107 >>282413112 >>282413447 >>282413837 >>282413928 >>282414290 >>282418224
>>282413035
Looks like typical female wish fulfillment where 8/10 chad falls in love with 4-5/10 girl.
Anonymous No.282413084 [Report]
>thumbnail
What did OP mean by this?
Anonymous No.282413085 [Report] >>282413115
mostly
>male "delinquents" are just handsome betacucks
>females don't like bad guys

i just can't stop thinking about shounen ren'ai gumi while watching this, because that's basically the realistic version of this female sloppa
Anonymous No.282413107 [Report]
>>282413075
eh, I've seen it happen if the chad is low self esteem enough
Anonymous No.282413112 [Report]
>>282413075
If she's a virgin with good maternal instincts that's not unreasonable?
Anonymous No.282413115 [Report]
>>282413035
>>282413085
Anonymous No.282413129 [Report] >>282413218 >>282413264 >>282413457 >>282413665 >>282414137 >>282414309 >>282414322 >>282414842 >>282415356
>>282413035
NTA but the way it portrays friendship between guys. They keep praising each other, getting embarassed, saying how glad they are to be friends etc.
Anonymous No.282413154 [Report]
>>282413017 (OP)
there's one review on mal which summarizes this as "imagine an anime where every single character is honda tohru" and yeah, it's pretty much like that
Anonymous No.282413197 [Report] >>282413240
>>282413017 (OP)
This anime taught me that a world where everyone is super nice and sensitive would be a really boring place.
Anonymous No.282413218 [Report]
>>282413129
yeah and they go to a school made especially for delinquents, so they aren't even normal male friends
Anonymous No.282413240 [Report] >>282413365
>>282413197
favourite anime?
Anonymous No.282413264 [Report]
>>282413129
There's about 10 billion different things that tells you the manga is written by a woman but these 3 characters specifically really take the cake.
Anonymous No.282413347 [Report] >>282413507 >>282414010
>>282413017 (OP)
it's the equivalent of a shitty romcom like the tenshi-sama one but for women

the only thing that triggers me is that it's rated so highly on mal
Anonymous No.282413365 [Report]
>>282413240
Boku no pico
Anonymous No.282413447 [Report] >>282413567
>>282413075
You must be out of your goddamn mind if you think that pure bundle of cuteness that is Kaoruko is anything less than a 9.
Anonymous No.282413457 [Report]
>>282413129
But realistic male friendship is not very wholesome chungus
Anonymous No.282413507 [Report] >>282413616 >>282414354 >>282414500
>>282413347
>ranked #68
Normalfags are truly braindead.
Isn't it botted? It has more mixed and negative reviews combined than positive ones.
Anonymous No.282413538 [Report] >>282413582
>>282413017 (OP)
Is this the most blatant shoujo disguised as shonen that has ever existed? I can't remember any other example that is so open about it
Anonymous No.282413567 [Report] >>282413659
>>282413447
nta but she's a 4/10 personality-wise
Anonymous No.282413582 [Report]
>>282413538
What you say doesn't make any sense, and you probably don't even realize why.
Anonymous No.282413601 [Report]
I'm sorry.
Anonymous No.282413616 [Report]
>>282413507
>Isn't it botted?
after seeing frieren #1 on pretty much every anime ranking website i can't use the bot cope anymore
Anonymous No.282413636 [Report]
>>282413017 (OP)
>write only women
>call half of the men
Anonymous No.282413659 [Report] >>282413682 >>282422183
>>282413567
She is the epitome of the tradwife archetype, with the only peculiarity that she loves children so much that she wants to become a doctor just to see them being born.
Anonymous No.282413662 [Report]
>>282413035
>haven't seen this, what makes it detached from reality
you can tell it's written by a woman that doesn't know a lot of boys or men for that matter, because they don't act like that at all
of course it could be because it's pandering to girls who think guys act like that, but for a guy reading it, it can be pretty cringeworthy at times
Anonymous No.282413665 [Report] >>282413703 >>282413757 >>282414137 >>282420598
>>282413129
>healthy friendship is detached from reality
I feel sorry for you and everyone who thinks this
Anonymous No.282413682 [Report]
>>282413659
>She is the epitome of the tradwife archetype
yeah, 4/10, that's what i sad
Anonymous No.282413703 [Report]
>>282413665
that's not healthy for men
Anonymous No.282413757 [Report]
>>282413665
But that’s not how male “healthy” friendships work. Men can develop very strong bonds with others and appreciate them closely, but this show simply doesn't get guys dynamics.
Anonymous No.282413822 [Report] >>282413997 >>282414334 >>282415529
>>282413017 (OP)
>she likes him because... he's tall, hot, gentle, caring, kind, can protect her in a fight, has a job, has a good family, has a good circle of friends
Anonymous No.282413837 [Report] >>282413898 >>282413926 >>282421063
>>282413075
Why is this an issue? 80% of harem manga is “short beta dude who has god powers and has hot women lusting after him.”
Anonymous No.282413898 [Report]
>>282413837
women like god powers tho
Anonymous No.282413926 [Report]
>>282413837
none of those are rated 8.6/10 on mal
Anonymous No.282413928 [Report]
>>282413075
It is female wish fulfilment, but the diamond in the rough kind where the girl is written and portrayed as a perfect 10/10 while the guy is written as a 4 yet portrayed as a 10. Her ethereal nature has allowed her to perceive the hidden value in MC that society and her less virtuous/smart classmates at the elite girls school have all ignored because he's too poor and scary.
Now she gets the undivided attention of the tall, sensitive, badass chad who can provide her with her deepest desires, gomenasais and cakey.

Despite all that, it's still very cute to watch.
Anonymous No.282413997 [Report] >>282414034 >>282415529
>>282413822
>he likes her…. because she was nice to him
Is it really that easy, sisters?
Anonymous No.282414010 [Report] >>282414079 >>282417810
Continually the only real takeaway from this show is that cloverworks is a good studio that puts money into stuff to make it pretty and hires competent people.

>>282413347
I'm not gonna say either one really wins on the writing department, I guess I like Kaoru more simply because at worst it's just really boring whereas I found Otonari offensively bad at times, but as far as adaptations go Kaoru is a significantly better show. It's different adapting from a book vs adapting from a manga but still, Kaoru tells it's story visually and has pretty good animation and direction. 90% of Otonari was just on that fucking couch in the most bland angles possible.
Anonymous No.282414034 [Report]
>>282413997
only if you are a 10/10 6+ tall delinquent chad, have a huge dick and choke her during anal
it really is that simple
Anonymous No.282414079 [Report]
>>282414010
Agreed. The art style is the main reason I'm still following it, it's soft and flows rather nicely.
Anonymous No.282414085 [Report]
>>282413017 (OP)
Remember: he's not a delinquent, he just looks like that, but instead he Is a shy pâtissier.
Anonymous No.282414136 [Report] >>282414243
>>282413035
MC and his group of friends are supposed to be rowdy delinquents but turns out they're all just misunderstood little puppies with a heart of gold.
MC himself is radiating with the "I can fix him" vibes women cream themselves over.
Also he's a 10/10 handsome chad and yet people are afraid of him because he's tall and his hair is blonde I guess?

Every dialogue between characters especially between males and females feels like a fucking therapy session. The characters pour out their hearts nonstop in very cheesy conversations apologizing over every trivial little thing and immediately defusing any hint of conflict or drama which feels so unnatural most of the time that you know that only the mind of a woman could come up with this.
Anonymous No.282414137 [Report]
>>282413129
>They keep praising each other, getting embarassed, saying how glad they are to be friends etc.
Do they REALLY lmao
>>282413665
those are not healthy male friendships, those are normalfag female friendships genderswapped
there's no way delinquent men would act like this
Anonymous No.282414145 [Report]
animation-wise it looks like the usual a-1 sloppa, as in above average but safe and soulless
Anonymous No.282414172 [Report]
too idealized

female wish fulfillment

all negative traits and situations are said to be a big deal but wither out when presented

but it's comfy and the art is really good, so if you suspend your disbelief at how ideal everything is you enjoy a 8/10 manga

I'm waiting to see if the fem teacher will get talk-no-jutsu'd or not. Depending on how she's handled I might not be able to believe in any stakes at all

Also reading this for the secondary ship, which unironically is more interesting than the primary one, Kaoruko and Rintaro are so plain (pun intended)
Anonymous No.282414243 [Report]
>>282414136
They're not deliquents, they're just stupid and poor and go to the school for stupid poor guys so it's filled with deliquents by asociation.
Anonymous No.282414253 [Report]
To be honest MCs parents are the only interesting characters in this series.
Anonymous No.282414256 [Report]
>more posts here than in the "official" thread
it's over....
Anonymous No.282414290 [Report]
>>282413075
It's just a basic and uneventful romance without much drama, I see nothing offensive about it. It's a bit corny sometimes, but there's nothing wrong with that.
>4-5/10 girl.
Now you're reaching. The femc cute and nice to the point that she is one of the most idealized character in the cast.
Basically the only actual trait of relatability for the average female reader is that she likes sweets.
Anonymous No.282414309 [Report] >>282414341 >>282414346 >>282414390 >>282414407 >>282414773 >>282414834 >>282423136
>>282413129
>Dandadan portrays the friendships between the female characters close to male friendships but with a touch of feminity (bickering, teasing, annoying the fuck out of each other, but always there where it counts)
>praised by women for having excellently written female characters
>Kaoru Hana portrays male friendships like female friendships (excessive almost fake praise, excessive heart pouring, lack of teasing)
>roasted to death by men for having shit written male characters
what causes this
Anonymous No.282414322 [Report]
>>282413129
It's funny when one of them mentions a slightly negative quality about the other and then they proceed to say 1000 positive things about him
>Yeah, my red-haired friend is maybe a little ditzy... But he's also really nice, has a big heart, cares about others, is hardworking, etcetc., and I love him so much.
Lol, as if teasing a friend were a sin.
Anonymous No.282414334 [Report] >>282414813
>>282413822
Yeah that's sensible, the problem is that apparently nobody else liked him to the point where he has no confidence and never had a friend over before, while also having a circle of close friends and being a tall chad with a great personality.
This story wants to (pun intended) have its cake and eat it too. The source of half the drama is opposed by what we see actually happening, every person is a tortured soul who's actually great. Society won't ever accept their love, but everyone in that society is accepting their love.
Anonymous No.282414341 [Report]
>>282414309
dandadan is borderline ntr also written for femoids
Anonymous No.282414346 [Report] >>282414465
>>282414309
Men despise female things.
Anonymous No.282414354 [Report] >>282414514
>>282413507
Otome shit is always like this because the fans, like women generally, are essentially a low IQ hivemind.
Check the accounts giving high ratings to otome shit wherever and you'll see endless slop BL titles all at 9 - 10, maybe some 1's on popular non-BL stuff purely out of spite. VNDB is absolutely fucked due to these stupid cunts.
Anonymous No.282414390 [Report] >>282414446 >>282414465
>>282414309
men have standards, women don't

it's that simple
Anonymous No.282414407 [Report]
>>282414309
For Western women, having well-written female characters simply means having presence without being constantly sexualized, and in fact, being portrayed in a masculine way makes them feel validation because "OMG, did you see, we can be just as fun and funky as guys."
Anonymous No.282414446 [Report] >>282414594
>>282414390
Looking at any isekai proves this Is not the case.
Anonymous No.282414465 [Report]
>>282414346
>>282414390
men are based then
Anonymous No.282414500 [Report]
>>282413507
This kind of rating are just a "least hated" ranking, the overwhelming majority of votes will always be 0-1 or 9-10 so as long as the show doesn't do anything offensively bad the 9-10 will win
Anonymous No.282414514 [Report]
>>282414354
as a fellow vndb users, the solution is simple to substract 2 points from the average for anything made exclusive for women

my issue is that i'm afraid that "men" are gaslighted into liking this because "POPULAR GOOD" while being afraid of looking sexist or something for not liking this sloppa
Anonymous No.282414594 [Report] >>282414626
>>282414446
there are no isekais rated above 8.5, and the 3 above 8 are konosuba (fun), mushoku (good) and rezero (thought i guess i gonna concede on that one, that shit's unwatchable)
Anonymous No.282414626 [Report] >>282414663
>>282414594
>mushoku (good)
any anime that starts talking about shotas within the second episode is not good
>inb4 "filtered normalfag"
mushoku tensei is what normalfags accuse all anime of being
Anonymous No.282414640 [Report] >>282415982
fruits basket is the best female sloppa every written and it probably will never be topped
Anonymous No.282414663 [Report] >>282414710
>>282414626
i don't care about what you "think" when you only watched 2 episodes of a 100-episodes fantasy epic
Anonymous No.282414710 [Report] >>282414772
>>282414663
If I wanted an epic about grooming minors I would read the Epstein Files
Anonymous No.282414772 [Report]
>>282414710
only the first few episodes are about grooming minors
Anonymous No.282414773 [Report]
>>282414309
because female friendships with female kind interactions only work when both of them have a different guy they like, so they have to be written with male interactions. But both of them are real and can happen, because tomboys exist.

male friendships with female kind interactions instantly take most male readers out of the story, as irl they only happen between gay guys
so having 4 straight guys having female interactions is borderline fantasy
Anonymous No.282414813 [Report]
>>282414334
That scene (and everything with the mom) is my favourite part of the show. I have mother issues so I guess I'm easy in that regard but it was pretty touching, but you're right on the
>Have it's cake and eat it too
It reminds me of Windbreakers, a show supposedly about delinquents but is instead about goody two-shoe boyscouts.
Anonymous No.282414834 [Report] >>282414864
>>282414309
Personally, I don't think those kind of male friendships are very common, but frankly that's more of a consequence of modern society being hostile to males than anything.
Then of course there's some genuine confusion on how males act between each other, but when I watch anime (especially something targeted to a female audience) I automatically suspend some disbelief anyway, just like (I suppose) females do when watching shounen.
It's not anything worth ranting on 4channel.org about, although obviously to answer this point:
>roasted to death by men for having shit written male characters
this is likely a sign that you're reading the voices of angry teenagers with time and desire to hold strong opinions about trivial things.
My opinion is that a "man" wouldn't get upset at how male relationships are represented in a show targeted at young females, at least not if they're shown in a positive (if "naive") light.
Anonymous No.282414842 [Report]
>>282413129
This is true of most anime but about friendship between women, anime written by men has them either being super sweet to each other all the time and acting like literal toddler girls would to each other, or being perverts that have no concept of personal space
Anonymous No.282414864 [Report] >>282414948
>>282414834
tits or gtfo
Anonymous No.282414948 [Report]
>>282414864
Anon read better: I'm a man and I have no tits, just a huge penis.
I simply didn't want to speak for everyone by remarking it's my opinion.
Anonymous No.282415356 [Report] >>282421930
>>282413129
Honestly the funniest part about how their friendship is written is that it would've all been completely fine if his friends were girls. It would've also added an extra layer of depth to the story since proper male-female friendships are extremely rare in animeland
Anonymous No.282415529 [Report] >>282416157 >>282417206 >>282419144 >>282421108 >>282421508
>>282413997
>>282413822
Something I realized is that in guy's romance there is never an explanation for why the guy likes the girl.
You can't even say that it's because she was nice, because the nice girl always loses.
Anonymous No.282415982 [Report]
>>282414640
loved it
Anonymous No.282416157 [Report]
>>282415529
The unspoken answer is "because she's hot plpular and available" but if you just have them say that that then everyone who bet on that horse-i mean supported that girl would scream bloody murder. So if the author is smart then they have the MC make a lengthy confession
Anonymous No.282416255 [Report] >>282417086
haven't watched this so let me guess: the boring "she's just like me" main girl meets a misunderstood guy who happens to be an ikemen and she "fixes" him?
Anonymous No.282416699 [Report]
>>282413017 (OP)
Zero self-awareness post
Anonymous No.282417086 [Report]
>>282416255
Mmm, yes, but since this is a shonen the main girl is also glazed as a 10/10 cute girl.
Anonymous No.282417206 [Report] >>282419184
>>282415529
It's because she approach him without believing the rumors or the general prejudices about him and his school. She saw he was a general good guy working at the store and when they talked she confirmed it.
What impresses him is that she didn't fall for the common preconceptions.
Anonymous No.282417810 [Report]
>>282414010
Wow, a reasonable take.
Anonymous No.282418224 [Report] >>282418462
>>282413075
it happens all the time, especially with handsome white dudes, they always choose chopped women
Anonymous No.282418269 [Report]
>>282413017 (OP)
Of course she's a foot and a half shorter than him.
Can't come up to his should, otherwise he's a manlet.
Anonymous No.282418462 [Report] >>282419235
>>282418224
It's a piece of wisdom as old as humanity itself. Beautiful women always bring trouble in one way or another, so you should always marry and have kids with a healthy, plain butterface.
Anonymous No.282418513 [Report] >>282419110 >>282419272 >>282420922
This guy is the only bearable part of the anime
Anonymous No.282418618 [Report]
I can't tell if the people saying the femc is a 4-5/10 are men or women.
Anonymous No.282418812 [Report] >>282418947 >>282419289 >>282421213
Who's right in this instance?
Anonymous No.282418947 [Report]
>>282418812
Definitely not the guy who thinks everyone else is an idiot who might think that "I like you" isn't a romantic confession in this scene.
Anonymous No.282419110 [Report]
>>282418513
Out of all the """"guys"""" he's the only one that's actually written as one(still plenty feminine)
Anonymous No.282419144 [Report] >>282421508
>>282415529
because she's cute/hot
Anonymous No.282419184 [Report]
>>282417206
nigga she saw him as a wagie at the cakery, what preconception? she discovered he's from the shitty school afterwards
Anonymous No.282419205 [Report] >>282421225
>"whaaa whaaa i'm so tall and handsome whaaaaa women are intimidated by me oh no whaawahawawa"
Anonymous No.282419235 [Report]
>>282418462
this is cope btw
Anonymous No.282419254 [Report]
>"she loves to eat..... SHE'S JUST LIKE ME!!!"
Anonymous No.282419272 [Report]
>>282418513
trvthnvke
Anonymous No.282419289 [Report]
>>282418812
it means i like you, that femoid is coping hard
Anonymous No.282420598 [Report]
>>282413665
Lmao, spoken like someone that's never actually had friends.
Anonymous No.282420922 [Report]
>>282418513
He is literally me
Anonymous No.282421063 [Report]
>>282413837
Everyone unequivocally knows their shit
Anonymous No.282421108 [Report]
>>282415529
The MCs in those series are barely even characters, so of course the authors won't dive deep into their psyche.
Anonymous No.282421213 [Report]
>>282418812
I'm a fan of reserving "love" for 愛 (ai). Besides, you don't confess to someone in English by saying you love them, that's reserved for after you've been dating. Also, I don't know how the story flows from here, but using "like" leaves it open for the characters to walk it back and carry on the status quo, which happens more often than it should.
Anonymous No.282421225 [Report]
>>282419205
This trope is so dumb when written by women.
>the scary househusband who they simply forget is supposed to be scary looking two episodes in
Ironically it's kino when written by men though like Angel Densetu, where Kitano actually looks like a delinquent at very best.
Anonymous No.282421250 [Report]
I never watch it, but so far it sounds healthier than shoujo anime that have the male characters abusing the heroine
Anonymous No.282421508 [Report]
>>282415529
Basically >>282419144
Because she's cute. She can be a total bitch otherwise but so long as shes cute it's all good.
This is the chapter in which the nice girl loses for good btw.
Anonymous No.282421546 [Report] >>282421632
>>282413017 (OP)
Toradora 2025 withuit the extra characters?
Anonymous No.282421632 [Report]
>>282421546
Outside of Rintaro and Ryuuji having canonically delinquent appearances, there are really zero similarities.
Anonymous No.282421773 [Report]
>>282413017 (OP)
I’m positive most of the hate of this series wouldn’t nearly be as bad if everyone wasn’t trying to say this is a realistic series or finally a series that proves we don’t need fan service. It’s a prime case of the fans and response to the series making it worse.
Anonymous No.282421930 [Report]
>>282415356
And risk cucking the MC?
Anonymous No.282422025 [Report]
>>282413017 (OP)
>"I like her because she's nice."
>cynical anons chimp out over how sweet the feMC is
I want the Goslingposters back
Anonymous No.282422132 [Report]
Are shojo magazines dying? Because this reads.like a shojo manga despite being in a shonen magazine
Anonymous No.282422183 [Report]
>>282413659
I love kids, Rintaro! I LOVE KIDS!
Anonymous No.282423136 [Report]
>>282414309
They're dishonest cunts who care mostly about their self insert looking good there is no friendship between female characters ever