Thread 282983620

There is no moral argument for pirating legally available anime

Japs get to watch it free on TV

>>282983620 (OP)
why do I need morals to watch anime?

Don't care, plus me engaging in discussion about shows that merit it is a form of advertisement so I'm paying plenty.

>>282983620 (OP)
Yes there is: I don't want to give my money to Crunchyroll.

There's no moral argument for supporting poor translations made by companies with an agenda.

>>282983620 (OP)
>available
taxation if theft

>>282983620 (OP)
There's no moral argument for using Crunchyroll. Not only is it moral to not use Crunchyroll, using Crunchyroll is immoral.

>>282983620 (OP)
There is when G Gundam on crunchyroll is VHS quality

>>282983620 (OP)
Anything that isn't nailed down is up for grabs; and anything I can pry up wasn't nailed down.

>>282983620 (OP)
They don't offer me a service I want with the kind of translations and uncensored content I want, so I won't give them money. And the retards that do can pay so I can get shit for free.

crunchy roll is a company of indians. supporting indians is evil morally

If it's not a reasonably priced DRM free download, it is morally acceptable to pirate.

>>282983620 (OP)
Crunchyroll started out as a pirate site until they found out they could charge for it. It's the equivalent of a born again crack whore lecturing you about morality.

>>282983620 (OP)
Who cares about morals, child?

>>282984339
They wanted "donations" in exchange for higher quality versions even when they were still a pirate site. It's why fansubbers and /a/ hated them.
Yet they got rewarded plenty for their "immorality".

>>282984425
Sometimes grifts pay out

>>282984339
I believe they ban anyone who posts how they used to be a pirate site. I'm not sure if they are trying to make it as if it never happened in the first place, but I'm not sure.

>>282984525
Spooky

>>282983673
if there was a legal anime streaming service with ad breaks, would you watch that?

>>282983620 (OP)
I'm poor and legal streaming apps are shite.
Wake me up when there's a steam like app for it.

>>282984815
Yes I watch Gutsy frog on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLj2Ugc-vxcWG_zTnv_Bzlo_T9tG2xDmzD

>>282983620 (OP)
Don't care, still not paying.

>>282984879
>steam like app

>>282984815
I'd rip it and auto-skip the ads.

>>282983620 (OP)
>Moralfagging on the internet about anime
Cringe.

>>282983620 (OP)
I pay an electric bill
My electric bill is elevated for data centers I do not own or manage
I pay an internet bill
My ISP monitors in ways I do not own or manage
Ergo, I have viewing rights of all data on the internet, and so does everyone

Checkmate, atheist. I will consider taking my moral lessons from pedophiles another day.

Obviously there's no moral argument for it because it is neither a moral or immoral act

>>282983620 (OP)
Crunchyroll is a shit company and if my piracy hurts them in any form then that's a good thing.

>>282983620 (OP)
Your right! Thats why i get all of my anime at my local thrift shop when its available for $1.00 on DVD or $0.50 on VHS. Anyone who pays for streaming is getting Jewed hard.

>>282983620 (OP)
There's also no excuse for sub par subtitles

>>282983620 (OP)
Crunchyroll now controls an overwhelming share of anime licenses, to the point that it effectively dictates where and how much of the medium can be accessed.
Exclusivity has indeed become a standard practice across streaming platforms; however, in many cases, the platforms fund or co-produce the shows they host, thereby making them legitimate rights holders. Crunchyroll’s situation, however, is more concerning; it’s less about creative investment and more about strategic consolidation. This limits competition and ultimately harms both creators and audiences by bottlenecking access through a single corporate pipeline.

To be clear, I’m not defending piracy. However, the system itself also drives people toward alternative routes. Viewers aren’t trying to cheat the industry; they’re trying to participate in it without unreasonable barriers.

If the anime industry truly wants to grow globally, it needs to remember that accessibility is not a luxury; it’s the foundation of cultural reach. Monopolizing distribution breeds resentment and disengagement. Supporting anime should not mean surrendering choice.

>>282983620 (OP)
I'm not paying multiple streaming sites 10-20 dollars a month to watch the 2-3 shows I care to watch.

>>282986191
based physical media enjoyer

>>282983620 (OP)
it is never moral to give money to crunchyroll

>>282983620 (OP)
When this availability is provided by evil monopoly corp the moral thing to do is piracy

Imagine this: you’re at a convention, the air full of the sounds of people who love what you love. You turn a corner and there they are, someone who helped make your favorite anime. They’re tired but smiling, signing something for a fan, talking softly about how long the production took, how many late nights were spent getting it right.

And in that moment, you tell them, “I loved your work so much that I pirated the whole series.”

How strange it would be to tell someone, “Your creation carried me through something hard, and in return I made it harder for you to create again. Despite the fact that there was a cheap legal option available to me.”

There’s a kind of grace in paying for what you love...not out of obligation, but reverence. You’re not buying pixels or sound; you’re feeding the roots of the thing that moved you. To take without giving back is like plucking a flower and wondering why the field looks emptier next spring.

>>282983620 (OP)
>all the money goes straight into funding Korean knock-offs
uhhh

>>282987373
I buy shit but don't pay money to western parasitic streaming sites that likely provide almost nothing to the people who make anime. You'd better off buying some merch. If you pay for CR you're doing it to support CR, and the awful western localization industry.

Why pay for something you don't know if you'll like or not?

>>282987373
...or you just say you watched it on TV

>>282987476
because you're not entitled to get everything for free.

>>282983620 (OP)
i am not a moral person

>>282983620 (OP)
There is when it's set up to let them take it away at any time.

>>282987501
Companies aren't entitled to my money.

>>282987373
But I don't speak Japanese. If I met dub actors I would throw my piracy in their faces.

>>282983620 (OP)
Anon, we like Japanese media in the first place because it's different from what our countries produce, and it's different because there has historically been a large linguistic and cultural gap, making Japanese producers incentivized to produce for Japanese audiences, rather than chase foreign fads. The more foreign money enters the Japanese market, the more they're forced to cater to foreign desires, the less anime remains distinctively Japanese; paying licensors for anime literally destroys it, as we saw recently with Lazarus. It is immoral for Westerners to pay for anime.

>>282984815
well, usually watch anime in muse asia and ani-one asia in youtube

>>282984815
yes

>>282984815
Pluto already does that.

>>282983620 (OP)
If they actually offered decent quality subs that are free of trannyslations there would be the possibility of me considering to sub. But unfortunately every new season just reminds me that they are still using bottom of the barrel retards who can't help themselves and just fucking have to insert shitty memes into everything.

>>282987373
>I loved your work so much that I pirated the whole series.
How does that make sense? Wouldn't the person say 'I love your work so much that I watched every episode twice!' or soemthing like that? How they watched it, either on their PSP, on their computer, on an app, etc. it isn't really relevant.
>Despite the fact that there was a cheap legal option available to me.
One that may have bad dubs or bad image quality, audio issues, etc.- yes I can see why people would switch to pirate sites to get better quality releases that aren't either readily available anymore or or of some sort of nature.
If companies released high quality releases in their streaming services for a fair price and included a lot of older shows that you can't watch anywhere else then there would probably be less pirating going on. There will always be pirating, but there is a reason many people go towards that in the first place.

>>282983673
Only people in Tokyo and nearby areas can watch anime for free. Everyone else either has to wait a few days or pay for a streaming service.

>>282983620 (OP)
Paying for anime is immoral since you are paying CR which is immoral. The more influence the west has on anime the worse.

>>282983620 (OP)
You took away the comment section. It would be immoral to use crunchyroll.

>>282987373
>I loved your work so much that I pirated the whole series.
>your work

This is why I hate crunchyshit so fucking much. No, having the license to broadcast anime doesn't make it yours, not even part of the staff who actually worked on it.
You want claps for exploiting the same dub actors over and over again? Not happening.
You want me to pat your back for those horrible AI subs that have less quality than those made FOR FREE by fansubbers back then? No way.

When you realize the anime industry became another evil corporation paying peanuts to artists and is slowly replacing them for 3rd worlders willing to work for even less peanuts the right thing to do is skip as many unnecessary people involved and try to give more to "the person who created that moving work of art". Not to an overseas licensor who will use the profits to create garbage like "high guardian spice"

>>282983620 (OP)
Yes, there is. Crunchyroll sucks.

>>282987373
>There’s a kind of grace in paying for what you love...not out of obligation, but reverence.

Yes, it's called buying directly from Japan, either the manga, the BD, or the figurine, not giving to some retarded fucks at CR who take most of the money to themselves in exchange for a shit service. Imagine being this much of a retard and thinking that you help authors by giving money to CR and other garbage streaming sites.
Your argument is shit.

>>282983620 (OP)
I don't care. And Crunchyroll also built itself by stealing the work of fansubbers, demanding donations for it, and eventually getting showered in VC money for it, so they aren't moral paragons either.

i pirate anime because i fucking want to, do i need any more justification than that

>>282983620 (OP)
>appealing to morality in 4chan(nel)
lmao I'll pirate extra hard today

>>282983620 (OP)
Giving money to middle mensch is always immoral.

>>282983620 (OP)
This post is advertising or begging.

>>282984815
Sure that seems reasonable

>>282987373
>Imagine this: you’re at a convention
Sorry, you lost me.

>>282983620 (OP)
Sure there is. I don't support shit work.

>>282983620 (OP)
The quality is dropping and the price is up, why would anybody pay for garbage.

>>282984815
no I hate ads and will never voluntarily watch one in my life

>>282984815
https://www.retrocrush.tv/home

>>282990521
There's nothing wrong with ads, as long as you didn't pay to see them.

>>282990719
There's something wrong with ads when on Youtube they insert an ad every 5 fucking minutes. I don't get Youtube ads on my computer at home but I don't know how to block them while using the app on my phone. And if you're talking about TV, you're paying for that and still need to deal with ads. And I think the lowest Netflix subscription is the same.

>>282984879
Wake up, 2017's calling!
https://store.steampowered.com/app/640570

>>282991195
why did it fail?

>>282983620 (OP)
People just want to do it but they don't want to feel bad so they justify it. Just do it and don't justify it.

>>282983620 (OP)
Let me tell you something about life. Morals are fine and good for keeping your life on track... but those are pretty much only moral standards you set upon yourself. If someone tries to hoist upon you a moral standard then it's 100% the case of them trying to get you to do something that benefits them.

>>282983620 (OP)
The crunchyroll free experience was so bad when I tried it like 15 years ago so I will never give them a cent

>>282983620 (OP)
You can't own a certain pattern of 0s an 1s. Owning something infinite that no one can take away from you doesn't even make sense. Owning data is a scam and as long as I can copy it for free I will.

>>282983620 (OP)
I don't need one, I simply just don't want to pay for something I can easily get for free

>>282983620 (OP)
Crunchyroll killed fansubbing and now we're stuck with "official" mediocre zoomer localizations. fuck them.

>>282991195
> Crunchyroll

>>282983620 (OP)
my fight is against greedy crops and CR is a cog in the machine

>>282992081
steam does not even commit to the games they've made (ie. dota, cs2, artifact and deadlock is stuck in beta hell)

>>282983620 (OP)
The anime industry must be crushed, brought to its knees. This is a moral imperative.

>>282988836
And you can't simply watch everything on TV since series can air on different channels at the same time.
Certain series aren't available on free TV at all or only with heavy censorship.

>>282983620 (OP)
My moral argument is that Crunchyroll sucks absolute cock

>>282994013
Do Japs not have a DVR? They're built into cable boxes these days

>>282994034
They don't have cable. It's either terrestrial broadcast or satellite.
And you'd need a tuner per simultaneous broadcast. Remember that anime airs late at night so most people already use a recorder for the main series they watch.

>>282994034
DVRs are literally how japs watch anime, nobody is watching them live at 1 in the morning unless they're night security guards paid off by yakuza to not do their job

>>282983741
You've got it wrong anon, it's "tax money is being stolen".

>>282983620 (OP)
you already lost the moment you contemplated about this

>>282983620 (OP)
What is worse, advertising for crunchy or griftdex?

I can and do buy blurays of shows I like when they're available and at a sensible price, but for seasonals it's always the series that sat in the middle of your ranking released a full year after they aired for twice the amount you would have wanted to pay for a series you actually liked

>>282989117
You could have done without that swing and a miss at the AI sub boogeyman since CR subs are done by those back-then fansubbers who finally found a job while the current fan releases are MTL touched up based on manga text if anyone could even be bothered

>>282984815
No.
If there's any ads in any capacity I'm pirating it.

>>282987373
Crunchyroll didn't make the show though.