Thread 282986008

Is Peter Thiel right about One Piece?
Is the story a big metaphor about Jesus fighting the antichrist?

>attributing biblical themes to a piece of media from a non-christian country just because you can't see anything any other way
No, he's a retard.

>>282986008 (OP)
Good example of applicability.

>>282986008 (OP)
Cosidering that One Piece seems to have big Leftist themses about fighting an all-consuming Hyperpower ruled by rich old men.
I think this is up with Thiel's take that he's an libertarian, but they should get rid of everything except the police and army (the actual opressive power) to protect people like himself.

>>282986510
Is it leftist though?

Christcucks will never not be embarrassing.

he's just clumsily fumbling for some kind of public image other than HIM being the antichrist
>dude i'm a weeb christian lmao, hello fellow right-leaning zoomers
THE REPTILE has never watched a chinese cartoon in his life

>>282986008 (OP)
This just proves to me that the only line which separates the schizo from the philosopher is money.

>>282986008 (OP)
The Bible inspire many stories that inspired many stories that inspired many stories,etc.etc.

>>282986008 (OP)
>homosexual christcuck
Kill yourself

it's a story about good vs evil. you can find connections to anything if you look hard enough

>>282986770
>THE REPTILE has never watched a chinese cartoon in his life
none of these silicon tech nrx weirdos have any experience with fantasy outside of western stuff. they all just read lotr, atlas shrugged and whatever dystopian sci-fi novels make them go ''if only i was in charge this stuff would be great''.

>>282986008 (OP)
I speak to Hindus, they find Hinduism in all religions.
I speak to Muslims, they find Islam in science.
The Antichrist speaks to me, he finds Christianity in One Piece.

It's all so tiresome.

>a red straw hat

>>282987155
don't forget Harry fucking Potter and the most entry-level shounenslop like OP and Naruto

>tech weirdo opens their mouth and proves themself to be a retard
first time?

>>282986008 (OP)
While he's likely wrong about the specifics, he's technically right about Luffy's ultimate role in the story, because even if Oda didn't set up Luffy to be a deliberate Jesus allegory, which he likely didn't, as he's neither a Christian, nor has shown a better understanding of Christian philosophy or values than most mangaka, Luffy as he is now is still a messianic figure who will show the masses the truth about their world, and will liberate them from the chains foisted upon them (which in the context of OP is physically, while in Christianity is spiritual).

>>282986566
He's right though? Why resort to ad hominem when you can simply look at One Piece as a story and realize Luffy is a generic messiah figure, out of which Jesus represents the archetype par excellence? Obviously as a character Luffy sucks shit while Jesus is extremely compelling whether you look at him as an actual godly figure, a philopher, a historical figure or just a character, but that's a completely separate discussion.

>>282987430
Just needed a reason to insert your opinion on Luffy that no one asked for

>>282986510
but one piece puts slavery in a bad light?

>>282987936
It's a public image/message board so I get to post whatever the fuck I want about whichever character I please. As for Thiel, I don't know the context of the interview so can't say if he was asked about the silly pirate man, but it doesn't matter, the argument he raised still stands.

>>282986168
fpbp
>>282987430
it’s the same as saying imu is madara uchiha because I like naruto. it doesn’t mean anything of value

>>282987155
nick land didn't even watch lain...

>>282987430
Not really, by Thiel's own ideas of Schmittian Eschatology Luffy could also be the Antichrist and the World Govt as the Katechon holding him back.

With Girardian Mimetics, the weird thing is how the Katechon often becomes the Antichrist and vice versa, hence why Thiel presents Greta Thurnberg as one because the Antichrist won't come in the form of accelerating tech to create a totalitarian world state, it will come through appeals of fear that require the more safety and security in the form a of new international order, which will then supposedly descend into unmitigated oppression.

Also regarding the unique role of Christ in Girard's Scapegoat Mechanism is that unlike previous scapegoats, Christ bids thee not to hate thy enemy, ending the cycle of scapegoats (which is good), but also preventing the carthasis of conflicting mimetic desires, so what ultimately comes then is thus the Apocalypse as the mimetic desires of society will begin to run unchecked into global violence.

Luffy is NOT a global scapegoat, he has the half the world with him at this point, so it's hard to call him Messianic since he needs to die first while being hated.

Also the reason why I referece Rene Girard is because that is Thiel's mentor and a major influence on him here. Great storytelling material, but questionable in real world applicability.

>>282987865
Someone should tell this guy that in-universe this form of Luffy is essentially a reborn pagan god. Tell him he's going to hell for misrepresenting pagan idolatry. Christianity really is a mind virus.

>>282987430
It's completely stupid because Luffy would 100% oppose the Christian God and delusional people like this retard.
He's just forcing his christian lens into a generic anime hero archetype

>>282986008 (OP)
Isn't this the same hyperbillionaire trustfund baby who wants to set up the global AI that bans you IRL for insulting the Tenryuubitos?

>>282986008 (OP)
>a pirate who wears a red straw hat, sort of like Christ's crown of thorns.
Considering Thiel's obsession with Greta Thunberg and labeling her the anti-christ, you know it annoys this creepy in real life celestial dragon that Greta is closer to a Luffy/Christ-like figure than he'll ever be. Also side note, I'm pretty sure this piece of shit has never read One Piece, I mean, a red straw hat... come on.

>>282986770
Peter Thiel is a zionist philo-semite.
Not a Christian by any degree.

>>282986008 (OP)
I do think that Oda wrote the Celestial Dragons and Marijoa as an allegory to Jews and Israel, and Jesus did call the Jews the synagogue of Satan; and, wouldn't you know, the Five Elders are demons.
On the other hand, Luffy is going to bring the dawn, which is more similar to a Satanic/Promethean light-bringer figure. By the way, Joyboy being a Giant is very similar to Prometheus being a Titan.
Anyway, this is all a very Western reading of an Eastern story, but I don't know enough about Eastern religious and esoteric tradition to understand Oda's real inspirations.

>>282986168
Uh huh, say that when fire force exists and the protagonist is literally jesus to the point his mother was impregnated without sex

>>282989446
christianity is a semitic religion from the middle-east

>>282989540
Jesus is not the only mythological figure to be born from a virgin woman. Try engaging with the world and media outside of your obsession with a magic jew.

>>282987244
He's the CEO, not the engineers making that shit. While he should know what he's talking about, everyone who has ever worked knows the boss knows jack shit about work, because they are always disconnected from work. Plebs know the work, bosses know the "system" aka the business.

The reason why is you are completely disconnected from the real work as a boss. As a boss you manage money, schedules, workloads, staffing, and on occasion make big decisions on requirements and capabilities. None of which is involved in how shit actually works.

>>282989602
Christianity is a heavily Greekified, Latinized, Germanized, Semitic religion based on the Greek language works of Levantine, Aramaic-speaking Jews shunned by Jewish society for going against its established norms.

>>282986510
>fighting an all-consuming Hyperpower ruled by rich old men
How is this leftist when Alex Jones was shilling this shit decades ago?

>>282989702
for sure, the point is Musk does so much PR for his 'genius engineer' image it's ridiculous. If he put the same effort into projecting a CEO image instead of a tech genius image he'd be more convincing.

>>282987039
But what about the stories that inspired the Bible?

They're working overtime

>>282986008 (OP)
thought i was on /G/

>>282989147
he's never even seen STRAW lol

You know how many christians hate this faggot? Peter thiel is the antithesis to what many Christians want which is being the facilitator to the rise of A.I which many people think is the beast system that has a strangle hold on all of humanity. Many christians thought that peter thiel is the antichrist for long while now. He’s deflecting here if anything.

>>282986008 (OP)
Thiel also thinks regulating Ai will bring about the antichrist, so he can fuck right off.

>>282986008 (OP)
Nope. One Piece is inherently very anti-religion. It's even shown that the most messianic figure, while deified, is merely human. The fact that your headcanon fits the story doesn't mean it's shared or intended by the author.
>>282986558
Extremely, and you have to be both blind and politically illiterate to not see it.

>>282989829
>How is this leftist when Alex Jones was shilling this shit decades ago?
How is it not when it's all that Marx and co. wrote about fucking 150 years ago?

>>282988401
Dullard. Bush-era atheism gotchas have no currency anymore

>>282989673
Don't forget they sexualize nuns in the series lmao.

>>282990802
Nice lack of argument.

>>282991069
You're talking about the homosexual Peter Thiel who studied under René Girard like he's some simpleton- like he's not fully aware of the repackaging of Christ as bridge from pagan Sun god traditions into a monotheistic one. But you're probably just trying to troll my little bad faith poster :3

It's funny to see that people are just now realizing the importance of politics and religion in One Piece, and how it represents our world.

>>282986168
>>attributing biblical themes to a piece of media from a non-christian country just because you can't see anything any other way
>No, he's a retard.
There's something to One Piece, although I don't think Japanese people really understand Christian themes beyond the superficial, they just add some of it because they think it's cool. The same thing happens with Evangelion, Fire Force and csm. It's all Christian decoration without real depth.

>>282986168
Isn't Nika based on some nig deity?

>>282989922
He's just a chronic liar. I'm pretty sure he claimed to have been grandmaster level, mastered all chess moves at 13 and got bored with it.

>>282991508
I had a phase like that where I'd lie about everything as a kid. This other kid called me out on it, said there was no way I could ollie 2ft off the ground (I had no frame of reference since I couldn't skate at all), I tried and broke my tooth on the ground. Ty for reading my blogpost, Elon Musk needs to do an ollie and humble himself.

>>282987430
>X is christ / X's story is all a coma
You tell me. I like pretending to be a pseud, applying animetheory101 to random anime and see how far I can go.

Is anybody at all alarmed by the amount of purchase in our day to day lives these clearly retarded psychopaths have afforded themselves?
I don't see this ending well.

>>282986008 (OP)
No.
Peter Thiel is a bloviating asshole with delusions of grandeur. Not really all that different to some profligate like Jayden Smith.
Peter Thiel says that he idolizes Tolkien, for example, and yet every business venture he's ever created and been a part of directly goes against Tolkien's own values.