Thread 283015046

Why have visual novels fallen off as a medium while anime and manga has continued to keep producing new highly acclaimed works almost every year?
>Highest rated
>VNDB
1. Rance X -Kessen- (2018)
2. Steins;Gate (2009)
3. White Album 2 (2010)
4. Muv-Luv Alternative (2006)
5. Umineko When They Cry - Answer Arcs (2009)
6. Ooe (2025)
7. Full Metal Daemon Muramasa (2009)
8. Utawarerumono: Mask of Truth (2016)
9. Higurashi When They Cry - Answer Arcs (2004)
10. Tsukihime -A piece of blue glass moon- (2021)

>MAL
1. Sousou no Frieren (2024)
2. Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood (2009)
3. Steins;Gate (2011)
4. Shingeki no Kyojin Season 3 Part 2 (2019)
5. Gintama: The Final (2021)
6. Hunter x Hunter (2011)
7. One Piece Fan Letter (2024)
8. Chainsaw Man the Movie: Reze Arc (2025)
9. Legend of the Galactic Heroes (1988)
10. Bleach: Thousand-Year Blood War (2022)

>Note: This is excluding multiple entry's of the same series due to repeats otherwise Umineko would repeat twice for VNDB and Gintama would repeat four times.

>>283015046 (OP)
Visual novels especially big budget plotge with a million cg's are basically dead, it makes no money. Moege is one of the few that still can make a profit like Amakano and Yuzusoft. Anime on the other hand is growing, the new KnY movie made something like 150 million USD?

>>283015046 (OP)
Freiren is shit, mal is retarded.

VN > LN > Anime > Manga

MAL and vndb's ratings shouldn't be used to determine anything.

>>283015046 (OP)
Steins;gate's anime adaptation is better than the original.

>>283015127
Maybe on planet retard

>>283015127
this desu

>>283015046 (OP)
frieren is botted to the top. it's mid as fuck and hella boring

>>283015046 (OP)
Steins;Gate is overrated

>>283015148
seethe more, retarded faggot

>>283015046 (OP)
Rance X is the only title on both of those list's of any value.

>>283015046 (OP)
VN was too pro consumer, so of course it died and respawned as gacha now fully pro producer. At this point, anything pro consumer is either killed or assimilated

zoomers can't read

>>283015168
>No argument
Concession accepted illiterate-kun

>>283015173
I kneel Rance-sama

>>283015046 (OP)
I will read White Album 2 this winter. I expect good romance/drama and sexy h scenes.

>>283015163
>fmab sissy cope

>>283015269
>sexy h scenes.
ehh

>>283015188
Pro consumer to pro nigger...

>>283015313
The h isn't good?

>>283015339
Good but not sexy imo

>>283015214
there's no point in arguing with a pseudo-elitist like you

>>283015339
It's one of the rare VNs where h-scenes are "important" and sometimes tell you something relevant about characters, but I agree with the other anon, you're not really supposed to fap to them.

>>283015173
>>283015240
>100% translated and 50% edited
English translation soon for the TOP 1 King
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RW-aSmj2hU

>>283015399
>TL is out
>it drops back to 25th place

>>283015434
It’s top 1 in Japan and China too, so that’s unlikely

Because they are basically long reading games. It’s the same reason light novels aren’t close to as popular anime/manga (reading), but even more ostracizing because of games
Doesn’t help that visual novels have a shoddy reputation because casuals think it’s just hentai.
Also doesn’t help that they tend to get mediocre anime adaptions. Steins gate, higurashi, crossovered.

But we haven’t even gotten a great gate morgana anime adaption, a great Umineko anime adaption, etc, and these are the easy lay ups for acclaim

i think your question is kinda interesting but im sleepy

>>283015127
>>283015156
Didn’t they have Mr.Braun kill Moeka instead of Nae which is kind of stupid
Honestly Chaos;Head/Child (the visual novels) stuck with me better but I fully understand why people call S;G the best

>>283015384
>>283015368
Hm okay, that's alright. I just want the h-scenes to at least be semi decent. I usually read moege anyway.

>>283015464
Morgana is not well known in Japan, Umineko is hated in Japan because of ep8. Umineko got a shit anime adaptation, absolutely butchered the source. Morgana will never get one however.

>>283015522
>want h-scenes semi decent
>read moege
they are only good to jerk off your heart, moege porn is dogshit

>>283015571
Not Marmalade, Marmalade makes the best scenes in the biz.

>>283015552
Yes, you’re right. Honestly visual nieces HAVE had decent crossover through anime adaptions. Some romance ones, fate, steins gate, higurashi, but there’s a lot more.
But the reality is, the barrier for accessibility and time commitment is MUCH higher for visual novels compared to anime, manga, LN.

>>283015046 (OP)
I have friends and co workers who I thought were deep into anime/manga but the second I brought up VNs they thought I was a degenerate. Not sure how it is in Japan.

>>283015606
Many normalfags hate reading this is the biggest barrier, comics/manga are a bit easier to digest while Visual novel are more like stage plays on screen with the entire play (sometimes 50+ hours long) presented to you in text. Unless one day the general population suddenly all likes to read in their past time over watching video (doubt it) we will never see any change.

>>283015046 (OP)
If Rance X is a VN, then the Kiseki series is a VN franchise.

It's more of a doujin RPG.

>>283015777
lol you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. Alicesoft is a big established company, not doujin.
Kuchikuou Rance was one of the first VN hybrids with actual gameplay, and its success in the 90s spawned Eushully and other gameplayge. in Japan, VNs are known more as eroge than VN.
also, Rance X text script has 3.8 million Japanese characters, it only loses in size to Hundred Line.
Kiseki has no CG viewer, no VN text format/hud/storytelling, no h-scenes, you need to walk and talk to people, a lot of NPCs with useless text, open world, etc.
Kiseki has absolutely no relation to Rance besides both being long series with huge world-building.

>>283015046 (OP)
Because if you're going to "write" a manga then get an artist and actually make a manga

Anime can't do omnibus well. You either have to do common route into a weird mishmash of routes, or pick one heroine's route. Neither will be a popular solution.

>>283015046 (OP)
>>283015063
Plotges as a genre is dead, their role have been taken over by gacha games. Gacha games(Especially the ones that are in the master slave genre) are infinitely running Visual Novels. You get a new waifu route and have plot habbenings every other month.

>>283017504
Please tell me these two are blood related

>>283015188
That's a shallow take on the matter.

>>283015046 (OP)
The best visual novels only equate to a middling anime. There's little quality content being made, and any developers with a brain go for a gacha game instead.

What a shit thread

>>283017751
you can go back to your containment thread now

People don't have the patience to read 500,000+ word VN

>>283015046 (OP)
It's not dead. They just migrated to being shitty gachas

>>283015046 (OP)
visual novels are the shitter version of novels and light novels
none of the visual novels you mentioned are good compared to light novels

>>283015046 (OP)
What this anon said:
>>283015606
>the barrier for accessibility and time commitment is MUCH higher for visual novels compared to anime, manga, LN

The trouble with time commitment is also the reason why people don't read actual novels anymore. Everyone is addicted to quick dopamine bursts from short form content which neatly fits into smartphone screens. Nobody got the time or patience for novels anymore, visual or otherwise. Only light novels are still scraping by due to being quick and easy reads, but it wouldn't surprise me to learn if they were in decline too.

>>283017765
>containment thread
/a/ is my native board.
I will not allow VN off-topic shit threads here. This thread has nothing to do with actual VN discussions.

VN industry pulled an Icarus. They flew too high and ended up crashing.
We can laugh at how amateurish VNs looked when they had a staff of bout 3 people (programmer, artist, writer) but when studios tried expanding and cranking up those production values they ran in to money problems. They just didn't sell enough copies to keep the lights on at their now-expensive VN studio.

>>283017913
>The trouble with time commitment is also the reason why people don't read actual novels anymore.
>implying
time my ass. people just don't know how to read books. look, roleplaying games are bloated with dialogue extending their completion time so your argument never held any ground.
i repeat people don't know how to read. why? because scrolling down fucks our attention. this is the reason stupid normalfags prefer dubs over subs, this is the reason stupid normal fags play stuff in the background while they do their chores.
>>283017504
>Plotges as a genre is dead, their role have been taken over by gacha games. Gacha games(Especially the ones that are in the master slave genre) are infinitely running Visual Novels. You get a new waifu route and have plot habbenings every other month.
this is also truth. even danganronpa do the visual novel better
>>283015654
>Not sure how it is in Japan.
isn't Ace Attorney like the only Visual Novel that matters?

>>283018029
What makes you think people play long ass rpgs to completion anymore? But even if they did, the experience of doing so is obviously totally different from sitting down to concentrate and read. Dicking around in some open world slop rpg doesn't take much time commitment. You get your attention span's worth of enjoyment even if you quit after ten minutes. Doesn't work the same for books nor vns. For these the grind is frontloaded and the payoff is delayed. You'll only truly appreciate either if you make it to the end. For an rpg or whatever you can just go watch the remaining cut scenes on Youtube if it should really bother you that you dropped it. And the experience of that will be much like watching an anime episode, not one of reading a novel. Apples and oranges.

Why do you keep responding to this fucking namefag tourist?

>>283018149
Going by achievement tracking about 40% of players finish games in any given genre. Its surprisingly consistent.

>>283017625
They are but it doesn't matter, there will never be romance in gacha games, the story might sometimes be good but it will always be incomplete.

>>283015046 (OP)
video games can have gameplay now

>>283015046 (OP)
In Japan? Gachas killed them by being money leeches.
In the west? Trannies killed them by being a living, walking abomination and a crime against nature, and also by co-opting the whole medium to get off.

ITT: Contrarian shit eater zoomer samefagging

LNs ate their audience from one side and gacha mobage ate them from the other

>>283018479
LN sales have been shrinking for over 10 years now

>>283018479
You also forgot vtubers. After all one of bishoujo game biggest appeal is having a bond with heroine

>>283017625
They're but other than very slight teasing, there's no chance of romance between them. Though arguably, it's the closest to an imoutoge in gacha.

>>283015046 (OP)
They got replaced by gachas which basically do the same thing and are 10x more profitable...

>>283018149
A book that you need to read to a completion to enjoy is either a very specific genre, or just a shit book. Just because every VN has a pacing issue doesn't mean you can't do better.

>>283018939
You can and even should enjoy a book on a page-by-page or sentence-by-sentence basis, but the goal is clearly to get the whole picture the book is trying to paint by completing it. The same is not necessarily true for most games. Unless you are playing very story heavy games that veer into vn territoy, the main goal is engaging with the gameplay which you can do to an arbitrary degree. If you read a book only halfway, chances are high that you'll be missing something essential the book was trying to achieve. If you complete a game only halfway, chances are you miss the final boss fight and the game probably worked towards that fight, but you'll still have gotten the essence of what the game was trying to achieve from the other half of fights and puzzles and whatnot. It's a different mode of engagement.

>>283015046 (OP)
Steins;Gate and Umineko are dogshit, how did they get so high?

>>283019877
EOP shit taste.

>>283015046 (OP)
Just the west erogamescape's top 10 has new tiles

Older titles are also the only ones that are translated which gives them a boost on vndb

Only men don't read, booktok is huge (they don't have to be good books) and Chinese BL novels bigger than most new manga.

>>283019877
Baby's first vn that they automatically think is the best regardless of quality.

>>283019877
because it supports globohomo

VNs don't sell unless they
>have anime designs
>usually sex (or ecchi at the very least)
I read a lot of english story VNs and they are sad tales of solo devs with little marketing/sales in a dead niche field.

>>283015517
There’s no way someone can prefer chaos;slop over Steins;Gate other than contrarianism.

>>283020784
>slop
>pro-S;G
Of course, only newfags love babbys first VN.

>ctrl f gacha
ok yeah, that was my gut instinct too, more roi with gachas

Stop bumping this MAL thread from page 10.

>>283015046 (OP)
Visual novels died to gacha.

>>283015046 (OP)
>1. Sousou no Frieren (2024)
>2. Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood (2009)
>3. Steins;Gate (2011)
>4. Shingeki no Kyojin Season 3 Part 2 (2019)
How is anime supposed to be better if these are shit?

>>283015046 (OP)
VNs are a shit medium, the worst of anime and books.

>>283022512
It isnt better its just that they keep making them while every vn i see now is just bang someone simulator instead of crazy 80-200 hour masterpieces like Baldr Sky, Clannad< Umineko, ETC

>>283024085
found the nigga that hates reading

>>283024194
bro equates reading nasu to milton

>>283024232
I cant say about fate i havent touched that yet besides the shows

>>283024280
you're treating it as some kind of high art when most of it is just moeslop

>>283024310
I would never consider fate as high art, its entertaining sure but i meant story driven games not like imouto paradise 1 and 2, nekopara series , every winged cloud games, rance 1 and 2 and so on

>>283024310
I can understand though that for every 200 moeslop games theres something good but its the something good that counts

though i will say its unusual for the anime to be better than the vn , school days visual novel was dreadful compared to the infamous show

>>283024161
Rain my beloved...

Acclaim is meaningless.

>>283024232
>>283024310
>le books
>le milton
oh boiz we have wild pseud teen here LMAO

>>283024884
who are you talking to?

>>283024658
Father Gregory is the sexiest

>>283015046 (OP)
Laughing at all the faggots itt saying VNs are dead because people hate reading. Newsflash, WNs and LNs are more popular than ever because normalchads love reading. VNs are slow as fuck compared to real reading. VNfags (and mangafags) are just retards that can't handle reading real text with no pictures so they cope with their powerpoint games.

>>283025251
>VNs are slow as fuck compared to real reading
What did she mean by this?

>>283025251
Light Novels are books for gay people and people that jerk it off with cucumbers from the discount vegetable aisle

>>283025464
its not slow, its rather it makes no fucking sense to have a character read an entire paragraph in a minute because that's not how a conversation works or sounds, there's a reason its line by line rather than a page per click

Fate VN > Anime

the best anime on that list are adaptions of stories that were made in the 00s and 90s

>>283015046 (OP)
Rance doesn't count as a VN and WA2 absolutely shits all over the others

VNs got incorporated into gacha on mobile
it's like gacha ate up both dating sim and VN markets

>>283027138
The degradation of society at its finest, if you had a time machine and told someone that people would spends millions on copy and paste half naked 3d characters instead of playing a an awesome game about mechs and viruses or witches having a magic battle over a murder mystery theyd probably kill themselves

>>283015046 (OP)
The only things good in the anime list are LotGH HxH and maybe Frieren.

>>283028079
you put frieren and hxh over gintama? someone rape this guy

>>283028151
It's just not that funny.

>>283028151
Gintama is kidmid

>>283028229
I don't get how you can say this and then think shit like One Piece Chainsawman or Steins;Gate up in that top 10 are good.

>>283028229
It's for kids and mid or it's between kid and mid?

>>283028229
hxh should definitely be in "high" with dune. i read the first 4 dune books and they were great but hxh is better.

>>283028343
Only One Piss is shit

>>283024161
>masterpieces
>baldr sky
Lmao

>>283028595
Yes.

>>283028595
Please explain to me how this is not kino.

I only read Yuzuge.

Buhi~

>>283028343
>>283028496
One Piece will be remembered for 100 years+. Everything else highly touted in this medium is debatable.

>>283028999
yeah remembered by retards

>>283028229
tiktok copy and paste ass post

>>283017731
The vast majority of them EoS quickly you retard

>>283029853
Still vastly more revenue than a visual novel would provide.

>>283028999
one piece is so repetitive and shallow though

>>283028595
based
fuck games with routes that are 50% the same exact thing all over again

>>283027533
>mechs and viruses or witches having a magic battle over a murder mystery
name literally one

>>283027533
Otaku have become very cattle-like if gacha is what they're willing to rally around and sell out for
That or they were always stupid paypiggies and companies just got better at milking them profitably

>>283030287
He's talking about the VNs in the list, tardbro

I love Karen

>>283030401
yeah and im asking him to name one VN with those plots

>>283030419
Dies Irae
Starless

>>283030431
dies irae isn't a mecha vn doe?

>>283030408
Based.

>>283028595
You shut your whore mouth.

>>283030408
Karen-schizo go back to /vn/, I didn't know you browse /a/.

>>283030347
Otaku have always been retarded degenerates that will pay for anything that looks hot.

>>283030347
>and companies just got better at milking them profitably
This and people in general getting dumber despite more "education", absolutely

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>>283031143
Japan is filled with gambling everywhere, pachinko is everywhere, Japan is a nation of gambling addicts. Gacha is perfect for them.

So many deluded shit eater gachacucks

>>283028999
One piece will be forgotten the week after it ends because in the grand scale of it all it's still a basic story.

>>283025251
LN sales have been steadily declining

>>283015046 (OP)
S;G doesn't deserve to be on one of those lists let alone both.

>>283031257
It tops to many listings/ratings and has too much infrastructure scattered around for that to happen retard.

>>283030419
Baldr sky and Umineko, nigga

Funnily enough gacha garbage ends service in droves each year while visual novels keep producing kino. Gen z lost

>>283015046 (OP)
Rance and Muramasa are so much better than every other VN on that list it's insane.

>>283015046 (OP)
BlazBlue should be #1

>>283032003
In 20 years all these chinkslop games will be thrown away for the next kind of normieslop and vns will still be remembered

>>283032273
I'll be honest the only things I like out of both lists are those two, LotGH, and Uta. Never trust rating sites.

>>283032845
Agreed. If rating sites were accurate, HxH would be #1.

>>283032875
I didn't hate HxH either honestly. The rest of the lists is pretty much shit though.

>>283015450
if it's #1 in japan and china it'll be 50+ in the west
westoids love their woke slop like trannyneko which is rated only 75/100 on egs

>>283032958
go back

>>283032958
Umineko is 61/100 on EGS, particularly the episode to end it all #8. If Ryukishi never made Episode 8 some metafiction and just did the standard Higurashi answer arc solution than he would never of gotten the hate he got in jp. I find it fascinating that western fans seem to love episode 8 while Japanese fans think it's literal garbage.

>>283032986
sure, you can join us at /jp/ if you grow a brain

>>283033097
nips know what's up

>>283033097
have you seen the way westoids talk about umineko? the western vn fandom is literally 90% trannies that self insert as beatrice. tells you a lot about trannies when they make video essays calling a deranged trans murderer a shining example of positive representation. the average western VN reader is in general way too stupid to figure out the killer when it's made quite obvious in episode 1-3. then ryukishi had a tantrum and said people that engage with his ostensibly fair mystery novel like a fair mystery novel are big dummies that just don't get it. one half of the western trannyneko fanbase doesn't figure out the killer even when it's spelled out in episode 6 and the other half starts reading the story knowing who the killer is and that beatrice is trans. of course their opinion about everything is retarded.

>>283033104
Go back, retard

>>283015046 (OP)
All shit

For me its Utawaruremono
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDqTUM6ozoM

>>283015046 (OP)
>Oh wow I wonder what made those visual novels so popular. let's check it out
>fetish porn
>fetish porn
>fetish porn
>fetish porn
>fetish porn

Damn anon, I wonder what made died off

>>283015046 (OP)
>Oh wow I wonder what made those visual novels so popular. let's check it out
>fetish porn
>fetish porn
>fetish porn
>fetish porn
>fetish porn

Damn anon, I wonder what made them die off

>>283033900
S;G got famous for its story. It has no porn in it.

>>283033900
Same as it ever was.

>>283033900
what fetish porn is in higurashi, and i mean the vn because the show doesnt have any of that (kira doesnt count)and neither do the the 20 first volumes of the manga and most likely the rest

Everyone always says "gacha replaced VNs" wtf happens in gacha? Do you need to pay to see new chapters? The only one I played was DOAXVV in its first year and that had like 2 minutes of dialogue every week. How is that a replacement for 200 hour epics like the shinza bansho games?

>>283033900
If VNs were superceded by gacha, then why don't any gacha feature gender bender storylines? Did the TSF scene simply shift back to one-off DLsite games, manga (and anime)?

>>283034188
>TSF

>>283033900
There’s just one rape scene in Muv-Luv. Okay, two rape scenes but the other one is out of the way.

>>283033920
Midwit story

>>283034080
zoomers are retarded, news at 11. You dont need to pay but you get drip-feed mid content with barely any art and in many cases no voice, obviously never a replacement for real vn.

>>283034080
>Do you need to pay to see new chapters?
Usually you just play the game to unlock most of the story. There may be story content locked behind having this or that from the gacha but those tend to be side stories or fanservice which will end up fully mirrored on youtube and story mirroring sites anyway.

Why is Umineko so loved in the west compared to Japan (rightfully) shitting on it?

>>283018699
No, he did not. Vtumors aren't the same thing in the slightest.

>>283015046 (OP)
>Why have visual novels fallen off as a medium
Because of porn addicts.
Erotic visual novels are LITERALLY the equivalent of """women's literature""".

>>283034839
Women literature are BL visual novels are those always have been mostly dead

>>283034703
Because trans people, reason being Yasu's ambiguous gender makes them think Yasu is a MtF which attracts them to Umineko in large numbers.

>>283034703
Its a mix of a few things
>1. The west doesn't mind metafiction that basically shits on the fans compared to Japan.
>2. The west seems to have many chronically online types that will rally around any form of lgbtq representation no matter how negative or vague that representation is.
>3. Ryukishi is a westaboo, Higurashi is a lot more Japanese oriented, same goes for stuff like Iwahime but Umineko is very let's just say western written, a western is more likely to indentify with the setting and style than a Japanese or really asian person in general.
>4.The way gaijin's hailed it as the second coming of christ for a long time and many never read just consuming the memes and community, this is sorta changing though as I see more and more people coming around to the same thoughts the Japanese had
>5.It has a cult following in the west because of those memes so for people who want to feel apart of the "in" crowd they may join in or read Umineko.
>6.It is often one of the first 5 visual novels a gaijin reads, combining a mix of recency bias and lack of experience leads to the fairly immature fanbase.
>7.Some people may still like the mystery up until episode 7 with Beatrice and battlers dynamic.
>8.Some people unironically love episode 8.

>>283033900
>OMGGGG is that a 5 minutes sex scene in a 40 hours story? OMGGG SAVE MEEEEEEE AAAAIEEEEEE SAVE MEEEEEE
why are westoids like this?

>>283035019
"Women literature" are porn books about women getting fucked by animals/vampires/demons/etc with explicit, detailed descriptions of sex, and women will tell you that it's very important and integral to the plot.
Sound familiar?

>>283035176
>many never read just consuming the memes and community
Most people really are cattle.

>>283020784
C;H is way better than S;G though

>>283034839
>>283035212
How can you take a work seriously if there’s no sex in it? Do you really believe that everyone there is a virgin and will stay that way until a huge time skip or a five minute epilogue? lol

>>283035210
>>283035261
Please understand, we prefer romcoms with 500 chapters of nothing, sex is for porn addicts or something

>>283035169
That's so retarded that's like faggots that think that ranma 1/2 is about their retarded community when its quite clear that the author wrote a funny story and that now zoomers cant read shit without tying it to unrelated things in the world

>>283035261
>How can you take a work seriously if there’s no sex in it?
You must be 18 to use this site.

>>283035261
>>283035210
>>283035297
Which part of
>explicit, detailed descriptions of sex
You didn't understand, retard? Guess how I can tell you're a woman?
Nobody is going to take your jerkoff fuel seriously, no matter how much you shit, piss, and cry about it.

>>283035558
Why are you talking about yourself in the third person? Only zoomers are asexual and more scared of sex than anything else in the world.

>>283035176
>.It is often one of the first 5 visual novels a gaijin reads, combining a mix of recency bias and lack of experience leads to the fairly immature fanbase.
Only criteria I have push back against. Umineko was one of the first I read and 30 VNS later, I still think it’s amazing. I’ve also read the classics and some more lesser known shit (a lot of Denpa too, I fucking live denpa, I wish we had more denpa anime or manga).
It’s like the meme of seinen readers who started off with berserk, vagabond, or Vinland saga. Sure, it leads to immature , pseud fanbase. But there’s are works that are popular or the standard for a reason.

>>283035916
(Continued).
Umineko part 8 the manga is much better than the VN though

>vndb
>ctrl+f erogescape
>0 results
kusosure_award.png
can't take anything serious if dogshit like umineko is that high

The majority of VNs sell the most in their all-ages versions. Saying people read it for hardcore smut ignores this.

>>283035968
There’s barley only small differences between escape and VDN in terms of lost outside of escapes historical beef with Umineko

>>283036017
>>283035968
There’s barely any, maybe small, difference between Erogescape and VDN in terms of list outside of Eorgescapes historical beef with Umineko *******

Sorry

>>283020760
>I read a lot of english story VNs and they are sad tales of solo devs with little marketing/sales in a dead niche field.
Any you would recommend?

>>283034703
Why are we pretending that nips have good taste now?

>>283036069
based ironic weeb subhuman, japs are so weird right?

>>283036128
Don't you realize you're committing the same mistake by saying all "westoids" have shit taste?

>>283036069
>we

>>283034703
Gaslit westoids have not come to terms (coped) with Higurashi and Umineko being shit in every shape, form and medium.

>>283036144
That’s objectively true though. Japan created and has decades of stories in VNs while the west only has about 5% of the medium translated, read 1 or 2 and spout their crappy opinions like tourists.

Why did we stop calling insufferable westerners who fellate Japan and shit on the west at every given opportunity "wapanese"?
The term encapsulates what a walking contradiction these people are.

>>283036203
You’ll never be Japanese

>>283035914
Concession accepted.

>>283036266
meant for >>283036263

>>283035996
disingenuous cunt
or
simply a retard
?
Call it.

>>283036301
No I didn't, retard.

>>283036227
Macaroni in a pot! That's some WAP

>>283036170
I wont cope when there's one piece and shounenslop fans out there, i may be low but I've seen the lowest and that's the truth

>>283036470
Japs eat shonenslop up like no tomorrow

>>283036227
Because even the normalfags recognized that Japanese culture is superior.

>>283036227
>board where "Japan has shit taste xDDD" gets spammed every day
>has a tantrum the one time it goes the other way
pathetic

>>283035996
Saying the all-ages version sells better ignores the fact that smut enjoyers are your power users doing the word of mouth advertising that gets you those sales.

>>283031870
>baldr sky
couldve been good if each route didnt involve rereading the same shit with slightly different ends

>>283036564
The point is both the waps and the "Japanese are weird and have shit taste" posters are loud morons. This is not some double standard, I myself call out both groups regularly.

>>283015046 (OP)
Rance is based

>>283015127
Both are pretty mid.

>>283036749
I will take wapanese over "Ironic anime fan I hate Japan but this shonenslop is good" any day of the week.

>>283035240
Sci;adv is all shit

>>283039345
The point has once again sailed clear over your microcephalic head

>>283039517
What do you mean? You said you call both out and assume both are equally bad when they aren't. You aren't holier than thou for being some objective realist fence sitter or having a lukewarm opinion on a country or medium fag.

>>283015046 (OP)
Is the Tsukihime Remake a good read?

>>283036203

jap only like otaku slop, westerners like the VN meaning it is objectively good

>>283015046 (OP)
>reading
there's your answer.

>>283039621
Nobody wants to hear you rant about western fans constantly.
You're right to push against the "weird Japan" narrative but only in that it discourages a balanced, open-minded analysis of foreign media. All you've done is take one simplistic, thought-terminating narrative and force another in its place.
Another annoying thing people like you do is take your subjective tastes and biases and inflate them to represent the whole of Japan, because apparently struggling through a dozen untranslated nukige with your half-soft cock in one hand makes you Ambassador Japan.

>>283039879
What? I never claimed any of these things? I dunno who you are shadow boxing I am just saying that ironic normalfags weebs are cancer and wapanese are the lesser of two evils?

>>283034703
Westerners have shit taste, nips are based.

>>283036203
It's actually a little under 10% at this point. The rate of translations has gone up since Shiravune entered the fray.

>>283039994
It will reach 100% once mtl is good enough in 5 years.

>>283015046 (OP)
VNs routes cause too many problems with anime adaptations, it's much easier to adapt a manga or a LN in since you deal with a linear story, also voiced VNs with CGs, Original Soundtrack, etc are a lot more expensive than paying a mangaka + editor + assitants, or writer + Illustrator+ editor in the case of LNs and since VNs are technically "games" their talent pool and audience got eaten up by gacha.
But even with all their drawbacks I find it sad that visual novels died since their stories tend to be much more diverse than manga with companies basically doing whatever they wanted.

Do you guys savescum before every choice while playing VNs or do you just ironman it and accept whatever route/endings you get blind?

>>283040117
Always use guides to get everything in one go

>>283040153
That kinda takes the fun out of a first playthrough wouldn't you say

>>283040117
I savescum with a guide, I only went blind for my first 10 eroge than I got tired of it and find using a vague guide more enjoyable.

>>283040075
Having played a few gacha, I really don't get their appeal over traditional visual novels besides their overwhelmingly being mobage. The stories are boring and poorly told, unless the girls are pushed by the devs or popular they're usually treated as replaceable widgets, the intertwining of gambling and the emotional connection between the player and the characters is sickening, and playing feels like a second job most of the time.

Gacha is otaku culture fully optimized as a consumer product.

>>283015046 (OP)
I don't know how people can talk up anime based on this list when almost the entire anime top 10 is shit. Especially the top 4.

>>283015046 (OP)
>filter ratings on EGS so only VNs released in 2020 or later with >=500 ratings are shown
>Summer Pockets (Reflection Blue version) and Sakura no Toki are the only VNs released since 2020 with a median score >= 90
it's over

>>283040242
Amakano 3 will hit 90

>>283040281
>AI generated kano
lol no

>>283040287
Go back to /jp/ and seethe about 神様Piromizu

>>283040242
>the only 90 are all-ages shit and one sequel to an already popular VN, when there were a lot of better ones with 80 score
If anything, this just shows that normalfags like to astroturf scores and don’t know how to vote, so they give everything a 10, the same thing you can see with MAL rankings.

>>283040075

VN are just made by writers who can't draw. VN writers should just team up with manga artists.

>>283040343
Plenty of visual novels have art that rivals the best manga out there.

>>283040281
Lost to the new Yuzusoft and that is not hitting 90.

>>283040343
>go to a shitty medium that doesn’t use narration and gets astroturfed into 500 chapters with a cliffhanger on every last page
GOD please no, fate worse than death

Qruppo will save the VN industry.

>>283040375
Qruppo's new anime had no attention in the west with mediocre numbers in jp and henpri did not sell well.

>>283040359

ya they paid some artist to make static pictures, they should just hire a mangaka to draw it into manga

>>283040373

ya most mangaka are actully pretty shitty writers. If novel writers and mangaka work together mabey we can get better manga stories.

>>283040375
No they won't, and even if they did, I'd rather the industry burn to nothing.

>>283040281
As Amakino wills it

>>283040375
Nasu will, my bad.

>>283040382
lol

>>283040403
OPPAI

>>283040296
go back to /vn/ and MTL the new FOTM with your EOP friends
don't forget the 2000 screenshots folder

>>283040218
Gacha is just the stick and the carrot + gambling + dating simulador (wihtout actual dating) fused together basically takes advantage of human psychology to gain the most recurring players, it doesn't matter if the story is good from start to finish you just need one aspect of it being decent to make people interesed plus the fact that new pretty shit is coming every week, gives the player some hope that whatever decent bits the story has could be replicated any time.
Basically gacha players don't want things to conclude they just want new content coming up every week that can be consumed in one sitting while commuting to work.

>>283040754
I hope mass gambling is banned everywhere.

>>283040917
the dice was created 5000 years ago
games of chance are not going away

>>283040754
Asian males are the loneliest men on earth, if they would stop using gacha as a supplement for their relationships than maybe gacha wouldn't print so much cash. At least go fuck a hooker instead. Plenty of countries in Europe will literally take their white sons to a red light district for their legal age birthday as a "coming of age" gift. Just take all the jap and chink sons to some soapland and voila problem solved no more yearning for gambling addicted png women. Before you reply "asian women Love and deep space just as lonely blah blah blah", I have no solution for asian women since to me it seems like they want emotional connection and "personality" + not just sex like every woman on earth. If I was a Chinese father I would take my son to a clean upscale place to fuck some chink hoes to boost his confidence and not become a gambling addict to pachinko sloppa.

>>283041332
>If I was a Chinese father I would take my son to a clean upscale place to fuck some chink hoes to boost his confidence and not become a gambling addict to pachinko sloppa.
Based as fuck I wish you were my dad desu

Did you guys see that video by the long-haired Singaporean dude working in the Japanese games industry about VNs?

>>283041443
>did you guys see *random e-celeb*
kill yourself

>>283041443
Post it

>>283041443
Was he the guy that worked on the taimamin gacha? This guy?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Yobuj3JHaEE&pp=2AEAkAIB

>>283015654
Pretty weird when every other anime was once an eroge adaptation. And everyone knew it. What a difference from today's batch of tourists.

>>283018939
I hate how “pacing issues” just means “I’m not personally enjoying this right now and wish it skipped to the part I like.”
I could say that all shounen have pacing issues if I hate fight scenes.

>>283039729
It's very good, the remake only covers 2 of the routes from the original Tsukihime so it's incomplete but it definitely deserves the praise it gets.

>>283039729
It's incomplete censored episodic shit with gacha fanfic as a bonus, the original is still better.

>>283042244
>Censored
If you mean shiki and his Grapist tendencies not really lol
>H scenes
No shit Type Moon stopped making eroge and went all ages after Hollow ataraxia
>Fanfic
It's a remake trying to make the power systems and autistic powerwank of fgo actually make sense with the remake characters because of how retarded fgo power levels work.
>Original is still better
Atmosphere wise yeah, arc and ciel wise? Fuck no you have to be retarded to prefer the massive and I mean massive improvements of their routes over the original. The original routes were shit and everyone likes far side. When Far Side releases that will be the real comparison but for now the remake is objectively better.

>>283042279
You sound really desperate to defend it, to the point of trying to justify how irrelevant powerscaling from gachashit fanfic was somehow a good addition. They removed an important villain just to replace him with a otome game faggot, released an incomplete VN remake despite having all the time and money in the world, and removed h-scenes that gave the original its identity. You can admit that you're an underage gachafag secondary and prefer the demake, but don’t be dishonest by claiming that shit is better.

>>283042387
>Gachafag secondary
I was using beastlair back on 2012, I quit fgo kusoge in 2018. I don't play gacha, I think the Tsukihime Remake as it is has some flaws such as the attempt to make the world for with ago powerwank and the shift to a almost shonen like tone are mediocre or bad however I still think it's good. The lack of h scenes doesn't bother me at this point when this has been Type Moon's MO for over a decade now (So do you hate Mahoyo too for the lack of H?) and I get much better H from other eroge/nukige any way. It being incomplete is a fair criticism but simultaneously the routes are effectively 3x longer than the original. Ciel's route was improved by so much it's not even a competition and arc's was great. No need to be such a faggot about it, if you hate it that's alright I know a guy who hates it as well but he still recognizes why people like it and many fans that hate fgo love it.

>>283042179
they cut out the sex scenes though in the show, ,and i think the author didnt want to put them in the first place but i could be wrong about that

>>283015517
I don't think Nae ever killed Moeka.
Nae's entire thing was basically stalking Okabe.

>>283034280
A SORA SORA SORA!

The reason visual novels were popular in the first place was because they were something any garage developer could shit out. The problem happened when the big name ones started upping their production values to the point where low-budget ones couldn't compete, which largely killed the genre.

>>283040020
ChatGPT 5T's translation is absolutely good enough right now. The issue is that its tied to a chat bot AI, so it's super inefficient and you have to slowly walk it through everything.

All it would take is OpenAI releasing a chatbot with GPT5's capabilities programmed solely for the purpose of long-form translation and we'd have that. It's not 5 years away by any stretch.

>>283042602
nta but gpt5 while it can make a translation that's almost as good as some sloppy translation from a company, it's still shit. It's going to be a while before we get truly high level translation that understands the prose and wordplay within context of a Japanese work. At least soon most of the trannylators are literally going to not have a job.

>>283040917
Is chance a truly fun game or is it abusing the psychological processes of the mind which makes it feel fun?

>>283015046 (OP)
Visual novels are superior to manga and lightnovel slop which are written for adhd retards wanting weekly and monthly updates for their story and are prone to changes and or getting axed out of nowhere depending on their financial situation

So yes, visual novels dont need to be sullied by shitty anime adaptations.

>>283043083
kek, insane copium. Go read a real book.

>>283043289
gEm

>>283043374
Like this?

>>283043882
No no, you have to understand urban trash like that is slop, to show the best slop you must showcase the pirate outcast kino. Gangsta nigga stories have some kino moments but I love reading this!

>>283043882
>>283044114
I wonder if there are hood fujos
Like it's the same trashy cover except two zesty looking Tyrones eying each other

>>283044159
>>283044179
This one I hear is kino too

>>283039367
C;H is good. S;G is overrated though I admit.

youve never read a vn if u read them in english srry

>>283042179
deserved more eps for how popular it was in japan its not fair that clannad gets all the praise fuck that shit

>>283044573
My bad, just let me learn Chinese in five seconds

>>283044573
EOPs read VNs for the trannyslators and editors
they'll wait 15 years to read an abomination of a TL instead of reading a summary, using an equally bad machine TL or learning japanese

>>283040020
>>283042602
>trannylation readers think they're actually reading the original work

>>283044709
chinese is way cooler u got the right idea
>>283045346
there r some good translations just not many

>>283043083
Visual novels are written for retarded porn addicts and women.
Cope.

>>283040403
>every character has the same body

>>283046707
this b8 is raw dude u gotta cook up something better ngl

>>283046764
>no arguments
Concession accepted.

>>283034421
I dont see how huge clit orgasm is relevant to the plot

>>283046707
Read more visual novels before pretending you know what you're talking about retard.

>>283046806
lol come on dude this is like Z tier ill keep replying if u want to keep going tho


>>283046977
samefag stop responding to ur shit b8 u suck nigga

ur browner than this png attached to my post

>>283046806
https://www.tiktok.com/@lukesreads/video/7535571229596519688
Apparently Morning Glory Milking Farm is high art kino

>>283047125
Why are all vn otaku fat ugly males and not jacked chads like vidrel?

>>283047125
Thanks for proving my point.

>>283047125
>>283047309
>>283047351
reply to me in 029 instead lame ass nigga stop b8ing low iqs

>>283047442
>>283047351
Nobody can seem to answer why bookchads like vidrel are jacked and desired by women while visual novel otaku are fat ugly losers that repulse women, why is this?

481 u can just post ur tiktok images w out the b8 u know like im still gonna be here chilling no matter what u type

Why are you so caught up in your feelings? Did it hit too close to home?

578 nah dude lol im chilling here and ur being weird like y dont u close the tab and go to another thred where ppl (bots) will respond to u lol

>>283047125
I love how foids will comment this shit under this real guys videos but then cry bloody murder when dudes call some anime girl hot.

lil nigga stopped responding to me and went back 2 talkin to himself lol

>>283047125
Normalfag tiktokers have no opinions of value

neither do u

>>283040917
Mass gambling will never get banned when you can print money off low self control addicts.

>>283046707
>written for retarded porn addicts
Ah yeah because porn addicts will read 8 hours of something(the equivalent for 24 episodes) without a single sex scene just to get to see the "porn"
>and women
Yeah thats the reason why majority of moege is presented from the perspective of the man and the heroine is the focus of the work instead of the man, right?

Face it, you have no counter to that post

stop responding to urself please dude

>>283048035
Porn addicts absolutely will wait 8+ hours to get one single scene as a form of edging.

>>283047977
kek

>>283048035
Yes. And you have no counter to >>283046806
>muh porn integral to the deep plot

>>283048094
somehow i dont think this is the majority
gooning is all instant gratification and ease of access. VNs and porn novels is working towards the payoff which people nowadays don't care about

>>283047125
KEEEEEEEEEK

>>283034421
There's another rape scene?

>>283015046 (OP)
Why are both top 5s so shit besides Rance?

>>283015107
Move LN to the bottom tho

They just need to get better marketing and adapt to consoles. It’s literally no different than ace attorney or danganronpa, super popular games. If those can succeed, there’s no reasons others can’t become massively popular.

>>283049327
Baby's first pseud anime watchers that think FMAB and Steins;Gate are the best things ever made

>>283049683
True. But also stuff like FMA and Frieren are also extremely inoffensive. They’re simultaneously for everyone , for casuals and critics, for people who aren’t keen to anime and for otaku. There’s nothing about them that’s unique or provocative enough to have some people go “yea, I can’t watch it because of this aspect”.

Steins gate probably doesn’t fall under that category but it’s close enough once you get to the meat of the show

>>283049662
>They just need to get better marketing
this
>Random seasonal anime
>My Gift Lvl 9999 Unlimited Gacha: Backstabbed in a Backwater Dungeon, I'm Out for Revenge!
>When Light is kicked out of the Concord of the Tribes, his former comrades instantly turn on him. Light escapes this diabolical act of betrayal by the skin of his teeth...only to find himself in the deepest part of the Abyss, the most dangerous dungeon in the realm! ... [snip] ... Now a powerful Level 9999 Overlord himself, Light plans to ascend to the surface and take revenge on his betrayers one by one!
Even though the title and hook are fucking ridiculous it immediately catches your attention

Compare to the two highest rated VNs released since 2020
>Summer Pockets: Reflection Blue
>Hairi grew up in an urban setting, but after an unpleasant incident he uses the recent death of his grandmother as an excuse to come to the island to take care of her estate sale. Once there, he gets to know four girls who are the focus of the story.
seems generic and boring as fuck

>Sakura no Toki (posting Sakura no Uta's description instead since the description for Toki is a spoiler)
>After the death of his father - a world-famous artist - left him without any living relatives, protagonist Kusanagi Naoya is put under the care of his friend Natsume Kei's family. There, his homeroom teacher Natsume Ai, and Kei's younger sister - the actress Natsume Shizuku - await him in turn.
also seems generic and boring as fuck

>>283050687
We don’t want undesirable ones, the marketing is fine being word of mouth. Nekopara is never really brought up in VN communities, but it blew up with normalfags just because of "lol cat girls hentai kek what the fuck is this shit lol"
Yeah, they sound boring. Please stay the fuck away and enjoy your toilet isekai or shounen movie.

>>283050839
>isekai
>shonen
Mind broken

>>283034703
That killer zts soundtrack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDPJuAxZaOo

>>283015046 (OP)
Not sure if it counts, but wasn't Black Souls the most recent VN to make a decent, lasting splash in the west? Haven't played it myself, but it sounds like it has the same niche word-of-mouth momentum/mystique a lot of older VNs used to have over a decade ago.

>>283051446
Not a VN, the only VN part of it was this 10 minute section in the second game.
Doujin RPG Maker games are an entirely different genre on their own, due to the sheer quantity of them, to be honest.

>>283051446
Black Souls is a RPGMaker game, it would never get listed on Erogegamescape or VNDB because it is not a visual novel just like 13 sentinels aegis rim isn't a visual novel, the main factor of a visual novel being considered a visual novel is a majority portion of the game has to be in ADV or NVL style segments, if this minimum requirement isn't met than it can never be considered a visual novel from first base. Like the other anon noted it's an entire genre on its own with millions of games on dmm, jp rpg sites and doujin conventions. Absolutely not a visual novel even if it has some segments to it that are in relation to a visual novel. >>283051730

>>283049683
This, the top of the list gets overrated massively due to ignorant normalfags.

>>283051790
Actually I want to correct myself, Black Souls rpgmaker games and many jrpg's, srpgs etc would get listed on EGS, however EGS is solely focused on adventure games, in Japan visual novels are not exactly called visual novels. They are called adventure games. Erogegamescape focuses on that while encompassing really any slightly ero adjacent games including even touhou so my statement on egs is incorrect. However the concept of a direct translation from Japan "adventure game" to our gaijin "visual novel" term leads to the simple idea of adv and nvl being the majority of the content in said software. EGS just contains other games outside of adv games.

>>283051994
>>283051790
Here is a decent read up on the topic as well
https://www.giantbomb.com/forums/general-discussion-30/origins-of-the-visual-novel-or-why-ace-attorney-is-1858980/

>>283051730
>>283051790
>>283051994
I see what you mean. So while there's some crossover audience-wise due to the otaku target, they're different genres at heart, and they've both existed alongside each other for a long while now.

I'm a complete pleb in this field, so can't comment much on the history/subcultures of either. I do quite like how a lot of these doujin RPGs still keep alive the chuuni vibes that got me into plotge VNs in the first place.

>>283052046
Neat. Thanks.

>>283034080
Almost every gacha presents the story in the VN style. And stories are also very long and often boring, like in the VNs.
But it has gameplay between dialogues.

>>283053072
People always argue about eng dub vs jp dub. The best dub is no dub, because it allows you to quickly read next line without stopping the sound

>>283015046 (OP)
LNs killed them.
Then Narou/WNs/isekai completely annihilated its corpse.
/thread

>>283015046 (OP)
I did not care for Frieren. Or Brotherhood or Steins;Gate.
I don't get how you look at a list like this and conclude anime is alive and vns are dead.

>>283053300
Don't forget DLsite games, they took care of the porn part without having to sit through walls of shitty writing.

>>283053300
who tf reads lns? they're not real literature and they're also not fun. it's the worst slop of all worlds.

>open thread
>unmoderated bland sharty baits
This is your fault.

>>283054236
>who tf reads PN
The same people that watch anime, read manga, buy JRPGS, and play VN. They all have the same level of quality.

>>283054634
i only play untranslated vns also never compare dies irae to anime again

>>283054695
I mean, dies irae got adapted into an anime. To japs they probably belong to the same group because they all share similar tropes and witting influences

JRPGs do the same thing, unless you want explicit NSFW.

>>283054850
except they don't lol
>useless gameplay
>romcomshit tier progression of romance where nothing happens
>gachashit tier stories and writing
>useless NPC talks
>open world shit

>>283054761
yes it's famously so similar to normal anime the adaptation is rated 5.13/10 on MAL because it satisfied fans

>>283042279
>>283042430
I have no idea why anons are so defensive about "powerwank" when they argue with pretty much shitposters. Like OG Tsikihime is some sort thought-provoking literary fiction with zero action. Did we read the same VN? Did we post in the same threads (Shiki kills Servants EZ clap)? Did we read same interviews and QA (30% Arc solos Gandalf DAA fight Servants). Did we play the same Melty Blood games (canon approved by Real Oldfag TM Pre-FGO Primaries™ like myself)? Everyone clapped when Tsuki manga was released but now are we really pretending to hate it cause FiGiiOoo powerwank fights are too fancy braaaap? Give me a break. The only questionable parts of TsukiR are
>first city fight
HGW tier destruction in the city. Needs better setup.
>Nuclear Arc
Not because she's nuclear, after all she's basically illegal Type-Earth (omg powerwank), but because of Celestial Egg. It's too OP and up to this day Nasu didn't make any comments about Arc vs ORT.

>>283015046 (OP)
PC gaming in japan is dead

while I dislike gatcha too, VN were dying way before they got popular.
Almost nobody have a PC in Japan, they have consoles and they can get normal games on it.

If anything gacha has been the lifeline for some of those companies to continue to attract investors

>>283039729
pretty good, Ciel route got a really nice rewrite, but I think it's too much Arc centric in the ending. Overall good stuff

>>283053590
Retarded, dlsite slopa is irrelevant, low budget trash for idiots

>>283056704
>low budget trash for idiots
You mean VNs? 99% of VN art is low budget dogshit.

>>283056801
>99%
name 5 that you've read that are not EVNs

>>283015046 (OP)
Visual novels constantly break the one rule that will get you rejected by a literary agent.
Nothing happening equates to an instant rejection.
The Harry Potter intro will not work on today's trading environment.

>>283057504
>Nothing happening equates to an instant rejection.
Shouldn’t it be the inverse? People love romcoms where nothing happens and hate actual romance progression.

>>283015046 (OP)
why is mahoyo not on this list

>>283059029
Because it's actually good unlike slop like ML and S;G. There's so much crap on these lists it's unreal.

>>283028229
this chart is so ridiculous on so many levels i don't know where to begin

>>283059101
>slop
ML has more value than all-ages kusoge. Sorry type-sissy

>>283059786
>all-ages kusoge
You're thinking of S;G, not Type-Moon

>>283028229
>>283059196
Chart is god tier, keep seething retard.

>>283059029
Mahoyo while good is incomplete and not particularly that good story wise, it's hard carried by its production values. It's a 8/10. A few works on this list are overrated but mahoyo not being on there is how it should be for a 8/10.

>>283049327
White Album 2 is kamige, Frieren is decent.

>>283015046 (OP)
The only good piece of media on this list is SnK

>>283015046 (OP)
Because on one side, there are weebs who don't want to read something that takes longer than War and Peace. But on the other, there are litfags who think all VNs are just retarded chuuni shit for manchildren. VNfags are the tiny middle ground willing to read the equivalent of a 1500-page YA novel.

>>283061658
This but unironically.

>>283061832
>YA novel.
Why do animeteens always bring YA as something bad when their cartoons and comics are below YA. Why do they always bring slop like War and Peace and other lit trash? Is it because they watch shitty cartoons and think reading Tolstoy's garbage is deep or reading is deep? Really. Every time with VN and LNs it always lit trash and muh YA. Is it because of "reading"? Did they hear about "watching" real TV shows, movies with actors? Or doramas (Japanese media for Japanese adults)?

>>283015046 (OP)
I think a big issue is that VNs tend to have rehashed partial/almost full routes you have to replay for a sliver of extra content.
People today don't have the patience for that.

>>283063521
>you have to replay for a sliver of extra content
Skip button exist since PC-98

>>283063521
>>283063626
Some vns nowadays just have a auto skip previously read text feature or a feature that highlights previously read text in yellow so you know its skippable. Also ctrl exists.

>>283055780
PC gaming in jp died because of nintendo and gacha

>>283015046 (OP)
Smartphones
They are mobile games now like Tasokare Horel

>>283065780
Nips are overworked salarymen, only the neets can pc game.

>>283015086
Frieren is pretty good actually.

>>283055780
It was growing massively for a few years post 2018~ but it's slowed down because nobody can afford a good pc lmfao

>>283015046 (OP)
Is Steins;Gate the most overrating thing on these lists? I don't know how it managed to end up on both of them somehow.

>>283047749
what did this image say

>>283067597
I think people are too impressed by the time travel in it. It tends to appeal a lot to new anime watchers and teenagers so they rate it high without seeing how shallow it is and lacking in consequence.

>>283015046 (OP)
I blame illiterate dubfags who refuse to read.

>>283067760
just women horny posting in tiktok comments

>>283067785
I don't understand why they rate it so highly when the characters especially a so shallow. The time travel plot was not bad in my opinion but I never cared about anything that happened to any of the characters.

>>283068067
The time travel plot in S;G is no consequence slop.
The characters themselves are hot for the most part, that was good enough for me. Not enough to make it good however.

>>283015046 (OP)
I could never get into VN's. I played a lot of CRPG back in the day (BG1, NWN, etc), maybe that primed me to expect even narrative driven games to still actually have gameplay, whereas with VN's I just keep thinking I'd either rather be reading a book or watching anime.

>>283068198
>The characters themselves are hot for the most part
They're still bad annoying characters especially Okabe. It kills the whole show.

>>283068371
I mean I didn't love him either but I don't think that was the biggest problem with S;G by a long shot.

>>283068503
These people spend the whole first 12 episodes just interacting. There's barely anything happening at that point except foreshadowing. If the characters aren't likable it's a slog and that's exactly what S;G became.
That amount of time spent on buildup was absolutely self-indulgent in the worst way.

>>283068609
It still would've been worth it, IF they had done something more with the time travel in my opinion.
This is a plot based show, and contrary to popular opinion plot can carry characters if you do it right. It just stinks that S;G's time travel has no lasting consequences, it all gets tied up in a bow with a perfect ending somehow like you can close Pandora's Box after opening it and it feels cheap.

>>283068715
If you want a good time travel story watch Primer instead of this slop.

>>283067597
It's because it's tourist friendly even if you don't like anime and VNs. Most votes are from people who don't read VNs and were only interested because of the anime. Steins;Gate is almost never brought up in the VN community compared to the other VNs in the top

>>283068843
This makes sense, but if that's true then steins;gate is probably literally overrated in a very real way.

Black-haired Michiru on /a/!

>>283068830
I already did a few years ago thanks, I ended up enjoying that one much more in comparison.

>>283068900
>steins;gate is probably literally overrated in a very real way
It's not even top 10 in Japan

>>283068900
More like your taste is fucking garbage but contrarians will contrarian.

>>283069034
It's actually there 2 times in the top 20 tho

>>283069073
the 500 vote xbox 360 version duplicate is irrelevant, the real score is the one at the end with 2000 votes

>TYBW still in the Top Ten years later
Color me surprised, thought the Juanpiss fags would've reviewbombed it out of jealousy

>>283069116
How about avg scores then? Also median has 23 games at 90 you could rate it as 8th or 30th if you want to be a fag

>>283069165
>moving the goalposts
Really desperate here

>>283069292
Why? Avg is what VNDB uses to rank VNs. Here's the top 10 with remakes and HD remasters removed with en titles:)
cope away if you want tho

>>283028229
One of my fav baits posted on /a/ in recent times

>>283068715
>contrary to popular opinion plot can carry characters if you do it right
I disagree and 12 episodes of plot didn't carry 24 episodes of S;G's weak characters for me.

>>283069388
>cope away if you want tho
You're the one changing the ranking system to fit your narrative lol.
This is the real ranking, you can remove one White Album if it makes you feel better.
The real real ranking is eroge only, but that would make Steins;Gate disappear

haven't seen s;g in like 10 years but i remember it being mediocre like everyone else is saying so it must be true.

>>283015046 (OP)
Sadly big budget VN are pretty much dead thanks to mobage, why release it all at once when you can drip feed the players for more money? It doesn't help many good VN writers became full mobage writers, these days only some of the giants like Yuzusoft or Segaplanets can constantly make VNs with multiple heroines.

>>283069682
Just because you and maybe 3 other retards don't like it doesn't mean that it's a bad show or that it isn't still one of the highest rated anime and vns around.

>>283069631
So post the median VNDB rankings so it's a proper comparison

>>283069829
you can check if someone is correct by seeing what other shows they like. i really like hxh for example, and that's obviously an amazing show. so steins gay must be pretty bad.