Thread 283015247

What the fuck is even the point of subs if you dont speak Japanese and the dub VA is perfectly fine?

>>283015247 (OP)
>I try another dub
>it's still bad
That simple

>>283015247 (OP)
Japanese sounds amusing to me, and I'm not low IQ so I got no problem reading subs.

>>283015247 (OP)
>the dub VA is perfectly fine
This has never happened, so we don't know.

>>283015247 (OP)
To hear what the characters really sound like.

>>283015247 (OP)
Even if I accept your hypothetical premise of "if the dub VA is perfectly fine", the point of subs is that the Japanese VA is "amazing", which is better than "perfectly fine".

>>283016042
Also this.
In Japan, the association between voice actor and character is very strong. To the point that big Hollywood actors have dedicated Japanese dub VA that dub them in every movie that they star in that gets dubbed.
And many anime get all kinds of supplementary voiced material that sure as hell doesn't get dubbed.

>>283015378
They just suck. Nearly every single time. How do they always manage to sound like they're just reading the script? Why is this problem so endemic to dubs? Do they just not take it seriously? ACT, DAMMIT. It's your fucking job.

>>283017222
> To the point that big Hollywood actors have dedicated Japanese dub VA that dub them in every movie that they star in that gets dubbed
This is the case in France too, I doubt it's specific to Japan.

>>283016042
if you don't understand japanese how can you tell the jp version is good or bad, or qualitatively better than the dub version?

>>283017675
I hate amerifat dubs much more than I like japanese

>>283017675
If you're not retarded you can understand the emotions in the voices of people even if you don't get the language. It's not different from people listening to songs in language they don't understand. You can still get it.

>>283017675
If you watched more than 12 anime you should be able to tell pretty easily.

>>283015247 (OP)
because "itadakimasu" is different from "let's dig in!"

>>283017184
This.
I would also add that the original is the true work the creator has in mind and any translation is technically an adaptation made without a director who knows what he's doing by bugging the voice actors to make their voice flutter in the right parts, by a director who can only imitate the finished product to the best of his understanding. So basically if he sucks at media literacy the dub is fucked.

>>283017876
>>283017912
specifically *how*, though?
you judge the english VA's on a certain set of criteria while lacking the necessary knowledge in japanese to do the same for the JP VA's
the pitch, accent and pronunciation could be totally wrong in the jp version for all you know. on what basis can you tell whether something sounds right or wrong and good or bad?

>>283015247 (OP)
>and the dub VA is perfectly fine
There's the rub.

>>283017973
yeah, it's actually "thanks for the grub!"

>>283018035
>you judge the english VA's on a certain set of criteria while lacking the necessary knowledge in japanese to do the same for the JP VA's
I already shot down the argument that knowledge of japanese was needed. I do know japanese though, watching subs played no small part in me learning.
>the pitch, accent and pronunciation could be totally wrong in the jp version for all you know.
If you keep watching subs after a while you just know what sounds right or what brings you to tears. Just like how if you keep seeing humans you can tell what a human looks like and what an illustration of a human should look like, even if you yourself have no idea how to draw a human.
Moreover, people do complain when a japanese va doesn't sound right. Guest VAs like the protag of Jyu oh Sei or the love interest of Moonrise systematically get shot down here for their flat delivery and generally for being amateurish, even by people who don't speak japanese.

>>283015247 (OP)
Only the best dubs are remotely acceptable, and I still prefer to hear the voice of the original actor even if I don't speak the language. There's lots of information in a voice like cadence that doesn't transfer over when another actor does it.
Also most English VA dubs are flat and cringe, these people aren't behind a microphone for a reason. they're way cheaper than proper actors; you get what you pay for.

>>283015247 (OP)
Because the voice acting and voice direction is part of the anime and I don't want some 3rd party's version of it regardless of quality.

>>283017646
I always thought Spike's English VA was pretty decent. Most of Cowboy Bebops dub is ok, I think that's one reason it did really well.
That might be the last time an English VA was anywhere near competent, Christ thats over 20 years ago.

>>283018330
>just because
is not an argument, dumbass
what did you even shoot down? your credibility?

>>283015247 (OP)
>and the dub VA is perfectly fine
realistically, this doesn't happen, and the closest you get to a good performance are from 90s-00s TV anime that were also censored to shit (so you still need the subs)

>>283018407
Thanks for confirming you're just here to bait and it's the sole purpose of your thread, I can fuck off with no regrets now.

>>283018035
Go watch any episode of Samurai Champloo in Japanese, if you tell me you can't tell the difference between how Fuu and Mugen sound versus Jin, then I can't help you.

>>283018466
>can't form a convincing argument
>"y-y-y-you were trolling all along!"
was not aware this amount of cowardice was possible within such a simple mind

>"i know japanese"
you absolutely don't because you didn't even think of bringing up grammar before i pointed it out to you

>>283018498
>asks specifically
>gets generalized answer which amounts to nothing
you can't even help yourself

>>283018035
i've heard Japanese VAs specifically speak as clearly as possible when doing anime VA
this is just something I heard and I don't speak Japanese so I can't say for sure.

>>283015247 (OP)
Because often times the Japanese voices fit their characters so much more than any dub ever will. If you don't know the feeling of reading a LN or manga and then seeing an adaptation where the Japanese va gets it exactly right and eerily sounds like what you always imagined that character's tone of voice was like (or sometimes even exceeding your imagination and your prrvious idea of them being changed slightly) then idk what to tell you. The best a dub has ever gotten from me was sounding pretty close, but never exactly as good as the Japanese va often times.

>>283018618
I did give you a specific example, but whatever, this this whole thing can't really be argued; it's a simple matter where you either get it or not.