Thread 283038622

>female author
>MC is a chad and his relationship with the FMC is actually enjoyable to watch unfold, clear progress made each time

>male author
>MC is an herbivore dipshit who beats around the bush for dozens, if not hundreds of chapters while the FMC is left hanging

>male characters are present in my sexual fantasies, therefore I prefer shoujo
What's next, water is wet?

eh, you sometimes you get lucky with good MCs.
But most of the time women write male love interests as giant, borderline mute robots (Yamada-kun) or way too feminine.

>>283038622 (OP)
Sometimes true
I think there are more exceptions than there are cases that actually follow this though, so eh

>>283038622 (OP)
Do you have some good stuff to share or do I just take your word for it?

>>283038622 (OP)
Cute bi4bi couple.

>>283038774
I mean I gave an example in the OP pic

>>283038622 (OP)
yeah, sorry, not going to buy that strawman of the insular and cringe rabukome genre as representative of male author anime as a whole, not when the main highlight of today was watching a high school girl get raped by a furry dog boy

>>283038622 (OP)
Men > trying to win a girl over or just a silly harem where romance isn't actually on the table, Women > get together quick so they can have breakup drama. I have not experienced this "enjoyable to watch" you speak of.

>>283038622 (OP)
this would be extremely painful

>and his relationship with the FMC is actually enjoyable to watch unfold
This never happens because they can't into chemistry.

>>283038622 (OP)
this is why shoujo romcoms mog shonen romcoms every time

>>283038622 (OP)
>male author
>female characters are 10/10 hot bitches

>female author
>female characters are plain 5/10 flatchest Mary Sue whose dull and boring personalities cause all the Chads around to desire her over clearly better women

>>283038622 (OP)
>female author
>my killer fell in love with me and now wants me to work as a whore to get money for our escape

>>283038622 (OP)
lmao
>female author
>rape attempts by multiple bad boys in a single chapter

>>283039628
Got an example of what you said?

>>283038622 (OP)
i fucking hate Subaru dudes

>promises to wait for Emilia
>breaks his promise

>Rem asks him to wait for him
>refuses, does stupid shit

fuck Subaru such a dumb as mother fucking dork. would like to see him get killed and not resurrect honestly.

>>283040275
all of em

>>283039467
-=*~ I would literally die if a girl did this to me ; ) ~*=-

>>283039628
>female characters are plain 5/10
Unrealistic. Women authors wouldn't make their self inserts actually ugly. Only "Uhh that girl has BLACK hair, which according to our arbitrary beauty standards that exist for this setting and conversation alone, is literally the WORST and UGLIEST feature a woman can have!"

>>283039467
this seems kinda gay
why is it gay

>>283040348
Like, pictures and shits?

>>283040421
>T. things that never happened

>>283040445
Show me a series where the FemMC is missing teeth with asymmetrical eyes with physical birth defects and DOESN'T get beauty treatment of any kind or a new body.

>>283040424
its for women and troon

>>283040275
>>283040421
They are not ugly. Plain 5/10 is literally average. It's just that this seemingly plain average somehow attracts all the attractive men 10 miles in her surrounding, while there are other hotter women around because her personality is "interesting" or some shit.
It's just generic shoujo otome reverse harem slop for women.
Case in point, Mao Mao

>>283040527
this flatbitch is the ugliest creature in the show though?

>>283040527
This is just a bait thread made by a troon, look in the archives to see how many times this same thread has been created.

>>283040496
Alright, I believe you, but are there any examples of what you said?

>>283040527
>Freckles disappear for one chapter and suddenly she's a 9/10
>Also happens to be the daughter of the most attractive and high demand whore in the imperial capital, before the "incident" of course

>>283040562
Pick 5 shoujo series
at least one of them will have wearing glasses as being a beauty defect.

>>283040562
>>283040599
Unless you meant an example of an actual Quasimodo FeMC.

>femoid author
>The MC girl is a whore
Why are women like this? At some point in human history, will they be able to write even one interesting story?

>>283040315
that is your fault for liking shit shows in the first place

>>283040424
Because the girl doesn't look like a girl.

>>283038774
>Do you have some good stuff to share or do I just take your word for it?
Here is Your femoid author anime.

>>283040625
But she wrote then shut it down

>>283040686
oh hell yes

>>283038622 (OP)
>Wears earrings/other homosexual looking shit.
Sorry man, that's not a chad.
>>283038701
Women can't separate their fetishes from the male lead.

>>283038622 (OP)
The world is plagued with lazy submissives

>>283040720
By the way, she said she made that manga based on her own life and experiences, also why all femoids love rape and zoophilia?

>>283040686
It's unfair that female authors can get away with inserting objects into the vaginas of elementary school girls. But when I do it, suddenly it's a crime.

>female author
>MC looks like he was lifted straight out of a shota yaoi rape doujin

>>283040537
Flat is justice and Maomao is beautiful.

>>283040763
>female author
>rape
so just the average story that women like?

>>283040616
>Only "Uhh that girl has BLACK hair, which according to our arbitrary beauty standards that exist for this setting and conversation alone, is literally the WORST and UGLIEST feature a woman can have!"
No I mean this: Only "Uhh that girl has BLACK hair, which according to our arbitrary beauty standards that exist for this setting and conversation alone, is literally the WORST and UGLIEST feature a woman can have!"

>>283038622 (OP)
Female authors write their male characters just as shallowly as male authors write their female characters.

>>283040751
>It's unfair
I highly recommend reading Lolita to understand who are the only women worth a damn.

>>283039537
Shojo and shonen are the same fucking thing, there is no difference except one is for girls and the other is for boys

>>283040819
Isekai Smartphone, one of the reason one the slave girls is considered unattractive is verbatim her "straight black hair"
Don't have a screenshot because the anime and LN are trash of the highest order.

>>283039467
For you.

>>283040866
>Isekai Smartphone
But that shit is for men tho

>>283040839
I exclusively read loli doujins

>>283040874
he asked for an "Ugh! Black hair ugly!" example.

>>283040884
Based.

>>283040710
Why the MC boy look like is 57 in that anime/manga? oh wait the author is female.

>>283040928
Why is this so hot?

>>283040993
>Why is this so hot?

>>283040984
UOOOOOOOOOOHH JUJU-SAMAAAAAAAAAA

>>283041009
She make go Uuuuuoooooooohhh too!!

>>283040625
I think this is the first woman that I see with a crush on Scar, usually is Kovu. Scar is for dudes, same for Simba.

>>283041033
>Scar is for dudes
Why would a dude have a crush on a male Lion?

>>283041054
Most furries are also gay, so it checks out.

>>283039467
>>283039467
>>283039467
>>283039467

>>283040884
this but only loving ones
i hate rape

>>283040993
you're sick.

>>283041109
>you're sick.
Please, keep going.

>>283041191
You are not cute, and you will never be a woman.

>>283041209
MORE

>>283038622 (OP)
Blame feminism. It has become taboo for men to write masculine characters.

>>283041224
>Blame feminism
Blame the ones funding feminism

>>283041216
disgusting freak

>>283041243
And Who are they?

>>283041243
>>283041258
Oy vey! Shut it down!

Men and women are both degenerate and anime would be better if they went back to being honest about it
Unfortunately feminists ruin everything

>>283039467
Not so much of a chad now, is he? Now he just looks like a little submissive boy slut.

>>283039467
By far the gayest shit I have seen this week

>>283039628
This. Most of the time they just depict FL as plain not so sexualised.

>>283040527
It's literally just Jinshi tho, nobody else is the slightest bit interest in Mao Mao. And his affection pretty much stems from being a manchild craving the one toy that he can't just get with a snap of his fingers.

>>283042185
That shit looks like a woman's writing

>>283038622 (OP)
>men write shallow unrealistic women
>women write shallow unrealistic men
No shit.

>>283038622 (OP)
I agree with the fact that male MCs in shoujo are better, the problem is that the girls are trash more often than not, and the plot turns into forced drama shit.

>>283042232
>I agree with the fact that male MCs
Lmao.

>>283040527
>implying this is just a female thing
In Ishida's current manga the most popular guy in school, a literal gigachad with anger management issues, falls for a tiny boyish flat tomboy because she's the only one who challenges him and never takes any shit from him.
Oh and of course, this is how their relationships began.

>>283042271
>Ishida's
Who? Just because you like reading obscure junk doesn't mean everyone knows the junk you like.

>>283042288
lmao begone newfag

>>283038622 (OP)
Are you fucking retarded? Most MCs in female works are written like meandering, overly emotional faggots, and they tend to act like women or extremely effeminate faggots. Their relationships with other men also vary from being extremely poorly written, to being outright faggotry.
Of course, most of the stuff written by men in the past 20 years is also shit, but that's mostly because modern jap "men" are fucking pathetic and lack even a hint of masculinity.

>>283042271
>the most popular guy in school
>manlet
nah

>>283042342
He's almost 180cm after a timeskip and the girl he loves is 140

>>283038701
Also 86, I was surprised to learn that the author is female because holy the male MC is so fucking lame

>>283042295
>t.new fag

>>283042360
Shin actually gets fixed in the later novels
Of course, this also makes Lena seethe because she is afraid he doesn't need her anymore

>>283042356
>180cm
>No manlet
Lmao.
>140
disgusting midget height

>female writer
>write a ginger cunt that ruining an innocent dude's life
>get praised for it

>>283042271
>however
sandro has ruined this word for me

>>283040424
Nothing gay about getting sucked off by a girl.

>>283042881
Why stupid bitches don't understand that they DON'T have to use their teeth when sucking?

>>283038622 (OP)
U

>>283038774
I can think of some:
Sweat and Soap, Honnou Switch, Houkago Kitaku Biyori,Kyou mo Veranda de, and the last I can think of: Arakure Ojousama wa Monmon Shiteiru.

>>283038622 (OP)
If a male author male writes like a female one, he would be heavily criticized
Males in japan are peer pressured to express themselves in a bland way

>>283042322
>Most MCs in female works are written like meandering, overly emotional faggots
I wouldn't go that far but that's because those MC are mostly teenage girls. I don't think many romance or romcom across a lot of young adult media has the MC actively pursue their love interest. And when they do it just falls on the love interest to properly confess before the nqrrative allows MC to seal the deal

>>283042069
Imagine having masculinity so fragile that seeing a man whimper/blush like this makes you uncomfortable kek

>>283042229
being a raging beta doesn't make you deep lil bro
this is pure cope

>>283045179
>[wall of lies, made-up.feminist bullshit]

>>283040853
>they are the same
>except for this one thing

>MC is an herbivore dipshit who beats around the bush for dozens, if not hundreds of chapters while the FMC is left hanging
This shit still sells, (don't) look at Rent-A-Girlfriend

>>283038622 (OP)
>>female author
>>MC is a rapist and his relationship with the FMC is actually enjoyable to watch if you like being raped, progress? More like rape.
FTFY

>>283045179
Imagine being so gay you need to cope about it on a vietnamese puppet show discussion board.

>>283043134
You don't have to suck either.

>>283039628
Nah, the main characters are very cute, I have played some otome games just because the girl is cute.

>>283047673
Yet here you are.

>>283046030
Kek

>>283038622 (OP)
Correction:

>Female author
>Male MC is a rapist but the female MC is ok with it because he is hot, tall and has big hands
>Not a virgin, fitting for female self insert
>Cheating
>The male MC does everything for the female MC while she does nothing in return

>Male author
>Innocent and romantistic relationship
>Both male and female are virgins
>Both male and female MC do the best for each other

>>283050983
Best post thus far.

>>283042229
Men write their idealized female and men write idealized male, its not shallow, most want to self-insert as their pathetic self in a way or another and not a different more idealizedf form

>>283053281
female write idealized male*

>>283053281
>>283053298
Men and women are not equal and they never will be. Men are perfectly capable of writing romance, women are not. Women understand romance as being whores and rape.

>>283053415
>Men are perfectly capable of writing romance
Evidence?

>>283039467
Allegory for rape btw

Why do retards get irrationally angry when they pick up shoujo and harem series and see typical shoujo or harem tropes?

>>283038622 (OP)
I too enjoy watching women being abused.

>>283045026
>Sweat and Soap
Finally some good fucking food!
>MC and FMC get together in the first chapter
>sweet wholesome relationship with little to no high school drama bs.
>FMC is a cute smelly big-tittied megane OL.
>has an official porn doujin by the author.
Reading this with /a/ was some of the best of times I had here.

>>283055672
Are you me?

>>283053415
you didn't refute what i said i wasn't arguing about their capacity of writing romance, but about how they create their MCs

>>283038622 (OP)
>>283040315
most characters are like subaru because most japanese guys are autistic and retarded
which is a disgustingly bad combo for getting girls, but even in these fantasies, the guy still gets the girl because despite still being autistic and retarded, the fantasy has to be fulfilled one way ro another
and since the authors are also retarded, they have no idea how an actual conversation with a girl would go down when people flirt or just want to talk and have fun
>b-b-b-b-but 3dp-
shut the fuck up retard
if mangkakas actually knew how to write proper dialogue, they'd be able to replicate what is a pleasant or fun interaction between a group of characters and people would appreciate a funny interaction that isn't like a tsundere hitting the mc for a retarded reason but an actual joke that you would hear when you're out with your pals

>>283056273
You know, say what you will about writing, at least female authors will still allow the femc's to still be cute.

>>283054503
You're an illiterate nog.

>>283056187
>you didn't refute what i said
There is nothing to refute because you can't write.

>>283056273
>Fat hands wrote this post

>>283055672
Based.

>>283041033
Paru is a gay furry in spirit.

>>283058016
i will take my win then faggot

>>283058160
wtf, what anime is this

>>283038667
Isn't Batman the most beloved character ever? Why does he get a pass

>>283038622 (OP)
>woman writes male MC that provides everything and is forward with his girl
>men like this because they self insert as the guy doing this
>women like this because they self insert as the woman having this done for her
>man writes male MC that is a herbivore dipshit because the girls "should just like him for him" regardless of if he provides
>bitchmade men like this, but normal men avoid because they know that's not how shit actually works
>women think it's creepy and weird.

>>283038622 (OP)
You're missing the legions of dogshit shoujos where the dude is all stoic and mysterious and the chick is spending the whole time playing guessing games and progress periodically gets derailed by retarded misunderstandings.

>>283058160
I really need to pick this back up.

>>283042288
Author of Tokyo Ghoul. Not an obscure guy at all. Choujin X is his current manga.

>>283058747
>Tokyo Ghoul
Why should anyone know the name of someone who does that kind of abhorrent shit?

>>283058369
Who are You quoting?

Why is /a/ so obsessed with female authors

I disagree. The male NPCs in Sailor Moon acted more like men and had Sailor Jupiter at the palm of their hands. I think Edward Eric is the only man women right.

>>283058299
Otome Dori.

>>283038622 (OP)
>female author
>female lead is explicitly promiscuous before during and after meeting the cuck male lead

>>283059585
This.

>>283058197
Roll.

>>283059470
I hope Mori manages to finish the story without compromising her health further.

>>283039467
Good, just the way I like it
>>283054589
even better

>>283059567
>This innocent relationship takes a dramatic turn when Kazuki receives an untitled DVD showing Otome engaging in sexual activities with elderly men. His despair grows even greater when similar DVDs start arriving on a regular basis. As Kazuki stares in horror at the love of his life being defiled by a group of strangers, he notices Otome's demeanor gradually changing.
Not watching cuckshit

>>283061243
he lied
its not the same anime as the one in the webm, its a literal hentai

>>283038622 (OP)
Not necessarily true. Also you conveniently left out that the FeMC written by female authors often tend to be plain Janes.

>>283056273
Whether the author is male or female isn't the issue that causes problems. The issue that causes problems is that the genre is "romance". Remove that and the problem is solved.

>>283039467
>this a "chad" according to OP

>>283038622 (OP)
You must understand that if the MC gets the girl then that would be relationship development, which involves character development, and that's a big no-no for most works, especially ones that want to maintain the status quo while shitting out filler after filler for years.

>>283038622 (OP)
No bro, shojo male leads also suck most of the time. In fact, women writing men well is also pretty rare aside from a few examples.

>>283055672
God I love otome.

>>283062668
Wonder if there is an actual real Otome isekai.

>>283058059
>no rebuttal

>>283039467
Fuck I want a girl to bite me like this as I whisper sweet nothings into her ear.

>it's good because MC is chad (I actually like the MC no homo!)
Homo gaslighting thread.
Do not belive shoujofags. They watch it for boys not girls

>>283058336
Because you don't watch Batman for relationship stuff

>>283063494
This. shoujofags are bunch of closet homosexuals

>>283039628
>male author
>male characters are plain 5/10 lanky Gary Stu whose dull and boring personalities cause all the HOtties around to desire him over clearly better men
So the exact same as harem shows with a male MC?

>>283042360
>male MC is so fucking lame
You are a failure of a man, so you don't understand what a real man is!!!!!!

>>283058336
smartest romcom viewer

>>283038622 (OP)
That girl is a sex pest

>Female author
>Female is a loser; male is a chad.
>Male author
>Male is a loser; female is a stacy
If you're a homo like OP, you'd obviously prefer the female author.

>>283061396
It looks like they're doing a bro fist

>>283058747
Ishida was self-admittedly huffing a ton of shoujo growing up, and it shows
>MC appears as your typical spineless beta loser at the first glance, but the story constantly subverts this by forcing him out of his shell, at one point he abandons his normal life and gets a professional military training, returning as a dark and brooding, super tall and traumatized soldier
>saves a bonafide shoujo heroine after beating the shit out of her and keeps fixing her life, she falls for him so badly she nearly mouthrapes him in his sleep
>Ely and Azuma have toxic but endearing relationships where they flip flop between constant arguments, jealousy and anger to deep appreciation

>>283057893
Female authors like these are a treasure.
It's a shame that these days they are being attacked from both sides: attracting criticism from feminist readers, and being held back by editors who believe such depictions hurt global profitability.

>>283059329
>>283042366
cute newfag

>>283059470
Because they're the only ones writing manga worth reading with the sole exception being Tower Dungeon

>>283038622 (OP)
>female author
>MC is a serial killer who threatens to kill FMC every other episode
Why are they like this

idk man seems kinda gay

>>283061396
Kek

>>283062777
>He doesn't understand that the opinion of fat "people" doesn't matter.

>>283038622 (OP)
Foids if they don't dabble in love triangle and rapeshittry can write very kino romance

>>283040424
They're french.

>>283059470
They've told 'there are no women on the internet' for so long that seeing female authors post on twitter about their series mind breaks them.

>>283038622 (OP)
>female author
> it's girl x beastman
>it's a girl lusting after her dog
why are they like this?

>>283071819
They love being degraded (in an environment where they aren't actually in danger).

>>283039467
Only if you're a pussy.

>>283065549
Why should I root for a loser finding love? I want to root for a male character who has dignity and discipline.

>>283071018
>twitter
Time to go back

>>283046459
That's Taiwanese puppetry board to you.

>>283072710
>doesn't realize that retards (annoyingly) plaster twitter screenshots all over this entire board and website
I think you should go back, you may be too retarded to use an image board

>>283038774
Gekkan shoujo nozaki kun is a good one

>>283072000
>>283071819
Wow it’s almost like anything is possible in the realm of fiction

>>283073973
I don't have a problem with it at all. My only problem is when they then shit on men for also safely indulging in taboo fantasies.

>>283073973
>any sexual fantasy is possible in fiction
>choose the fantasy of a girl being dominated by a dog man
Explain this.

>>283041224
>It has become taboo for men to write masculine characters.

They do it all the time. Shonen MCs are masculine in every way that doesn't involve pursuing women.

>>283075330
100%. Men are incapable of writing romance with a masculine male lead.

>>283075330
Shounen MCs are men coming of age. They aren't ladykillers because they aren't there yet. They're learning they have power and the responsibility that comes with that, and the series usually end with them mastering that and starting a family with a woman that is right for them. The only thing really skipped is the early 20s where most men fuck whatever they can pull because they have mastered their masculine energy but don't know how to use it responsibly or direct it. They go right from aimless teenager to mid-30s family man.

>>283075473
That's retarded. If I can suspend disbelief that a character can save the world, I can suspend disbelief that a teenager can talk to women without spaghetti coming out of his pocket.

>>283041394
he enjoys it

>>283075522
By the time they save the world, they usually are at least talking to women normally. I think you're buying into stereotypes.

The difficulty in writing male leads is that you have to strike a balance to avoid alienating half of your potential fanbase. A lot of people would refuse to engage with the story if the male lead was forward and bold and generally red-blooded, because they'd be totally unable to relate to that due to being shy and timid in their teen years. Likewise, if you write your male lead to be hopelessly awkward and unable to talk normally to girls, you'll alienate people who can't relate to being such a loser. Really, you should understand ale leads in this genre to be self-inserts in bad disguises. They aren't generally compelling or fleshed-out characters in their own right - the rom-com you like best will usually be the one where the protagonist is most similar to yourself as a young man.

Most authors simply aren't good at writing romance. They're better at writing friendships, familial relationships, or rivalries than romances. Because those are much easier to write.

>>283039467
>toe curling orgasm
It should have been me.

>>283041394
>>283075532
Sexual harassing vampire girls until their instincts take over and force themselves on you is peak Chad behavior, yes.

>>283075828
You mean peak brat behavior.

>female author
>female mc is a whore
>male lead is a serial killer and he killed mc's family
>he rapes her and she falls in love with him

>>283075661
Truth nuke.

>>283075532
That makes it even more pathetic. That's what he is: a pathetic slutty masochist boy.

>>283038622 (OP)
>all women are queen, men are incompetent pigzzzz!!!1!

>>283045029
Best post in the thread

>>283045029
>>283077381
Imagine if a man said what Hiromu Arakawa said about gender.

>attractive, but relatable
>confident, but reserved
>suave, but goofy
>able to bust a move
>lead of wildly popular, best selling series
Why is it so hard for men to write more male characters like this? Explain it to me in a way I can understand.

>>283076232
No one specifically said that

>>283045029
>If a male author male writes like a female one, he would be heavily criticized
That's more of an American thing
>Males in japan are peer pressured to express themselves in a bland way
Examples?

>>283038622 (OP)
Male authors write better fujobait tho.

>>283074539
Would you rather have one involving scat, trannyshit, or guro?

>>283078661
>why aren't male authors writing their characters idealized husbandos for women

I dunno anon. Male authors are more focused on making their male characters relatable and appealing to, y'know, males.

>>283058548
That's because OP hasn't actually read a ton of shoujo and is baiting

>>283059470
Waifuism. Insisting women are just better and a female author/fanbase of women is superior.

>>283039628
>implying
That only happens in western works.

>>283042271
I feel like Ishida is a bit of an outlier for male mangaka, considering he's even made a fucking otome game.

>>283080703
You know what one of my favorite shoujo tropes is? The super masculine guy who's knowledgeable about fashion and helps transform the ugly duckling heroine. It's such a ridiculous fantasy that could only come from the mind of a woman, which is why it's great.

>>283076207
What? You can't handle the pain of little bite in the jugular for your vampire waifu? What a pussy!

>>283077575
what did Hiromu Arakawa said about gender

>>283074539
Ethics in fantasies is how we got credit card companies controlling what we fap to