Thread 283040223

This is probably the last chance they'll have, if it explodes in popularity it will make it the biggest magical girl series in the world. But how can Nanoha Exceeds capture the global audience?

>>283040223 (OP)
You mean Nanoha Exceeds Gun Blaze Vengeance.

>>283040223 (OP)
- Show them explicitly having romantic feelings for each other from the outset
- Nanoha nearly dies during the halfway point in a fight with the main antagonist
- Have Fate confess to Nanoha when she's in the hospital establishing them as a couple
- Typical Nanoha action & sci-fi police solving plot for the rest of the show, with the romance adding to the drama, making it far more interesting
- End with them moving in together with Hayate, setting up StrikerS

>>283040223 (OP)
>how can Nanoha Exceeds capture the global audience?
cant. they not gonna put fan service and loli fanservice is forbiden now. just let it die

Extra Gay

>>283040223 (OP)
Literally all it needs is yuri (bbut it's already canon in the manga) doesn't count, if they don't have a kiss in this & romance it will flop. Fans have waited 20 years, if the ship doesn't sail in this show it's over

>if it explodes in popularity it will make it the biggest magical girl series in the world.

Do you lack basic knowledge about the sales of magical girl anime?

Did you know that Precure's annual sales are greater than all magical girl anime combined?

I don't want them to capture the global audience. I'm quite happy with Nanoha remaining niche in the west after seeing what popularity does to other franchises I like.

I don't think they're going to wind up with a hit here no matter the region though. They could have come out swinging extra hard for Nanoha's return but the manga isn't doing too much and I kinda don't see the anime hitting the itch properly either.

>>283040223 (OP)
Make it as gay as possible, MahoAko blew up due to this. Gundam blew up due to Witch of Mercury, Madoka is only kept alive by the two couples, the biggest seasonal this year was a yuri harem. It should be 40% gay drama, 40% action, 20% detective work

>>283040341
>- End with them having sex together with Hayate, setting up StrikerS
Fixed it for you. No need to thank me.

>>283040223 (OP)
>how can Nanoha Exceeds capture the global audience?
By getting rid of the icky loli fanservice, which they did. We're guaranteed global success.

>>283040363
They are not even lolis anymore, this piece of trash is a shining beacon for how anime industry became anti lolicon today.
Let it die already.

>>283040223 (OP)
It's fun but it's got the wrong blend of genres to blow up with the audience.
Nobody wants military magical girl because it isn't uwu fluffy for either the lolicon audience or the kind of woman who gets obsessed with uwu fluffy shows.

>>283041354
No, that's not even the problem. Symphogear was great. But Nanoha excelled at being a mix of magical girl (proper complete with gathering something) and badass lolis with power that surprised everyone.
The whole focus on power levels, cheapening the protags' power as a magical girl, removing classical magical girl vibes at all, taking away a comfy world in SoL scenes and replacing it with stuffy sci fi shit in a sterile military world, and of course removing lolicon fanservice - these things are irredeemable and they aren't reversing it either.

>>283040223 (OP)
Stop with the fucking OC characters that nobody gives a fuck about and stop it with the cast bloat. Everything up to As was fine but Hayate and her gang were already pushing it as an extended cast of side characters. Strikers making Nahoha an adult wasn't as much of an issue as all of the cast bloat with characters no one ended up liking more than Nanoha, Fate, or Hayate.

>>283040223 (OP)
>Give small spotlight to each of the Wolkenritter
>Re introduce Agito with a new backstory
It will work, trust me.

>>283040223 (OP)
>But how can Nanoha Exceeds capture the global audience?
Deconstruct it to hell and back like Madoka did. Magical Girls being played straight is dated af these days.

>>283042802
However, the sales of the Madoka series are declining sharply year by year, and all the imitation works of the Madoka series have disappeared.

>>283040514
3rd wheel kinda disappears later though, why would you include her, when vivio doesn't have her as a momma? I do agree with the 'make the gay explicit' part. Can't have it relegated to a manga with a 'maybe that kiss was romantic/horny'. Just commit.

Remember to never let your phone get under 20% charge.

It will be exactly the same shit as the new manga
>Nanoha and fate only exist for exposition
>All action is done by who cares characters
>Yuri will be bordeline inexistent because Nanoha and Fate will meet maybe once and won't do anything more than saying nice things to each other
It will flop, kill the franchise again, 10 years from now they are going to do the same shit again

>>283044105
It actually fucks up the lifecycle yeah

>>283040223 (OP)
I fail to see why anyone would want that

The Nanoha series has not produced any more slot machines since 2019.

>>283045345
Moreover, the sales of slot machines are not very good.

>>283040223 (OP)
>how can Nanoha Exceeds capture the global audience?
Why would you want that? Part of the appeal of the series is that they do whatever the fuck they want.

>>283044636
It does?

>>283040223 (OP)
I only need two things from this.
A NanoFate kiss and bare asses. Don't fail me japan.

>>283045580
It's all chemicals. It can load/unload a set amount of times and deteriorates over time. Some are more resistant to low % but generally speaking you should charge it again at 20%.

You can't actually get to "true" 0%. Your phone turns off before the battery actually gets to that point, because when it does you wont be able to charge it again, the battery is completely done for. So avoid low % regardless if you want a long battery life.

>>283040464
>Did you know that Precure's annual sales are greater than all magical girl anime combined?
but meguca.....

>>283045635
thanks, I don't know shit about phones

I've got to hand it to them, I'm impressed how many times they've completely missed the mark with this franchise. "Shallow" is probably the word I'd use to best describe it.

New chapter just came out in Japan
https://manga.nicovideo.jp/watch/mg964270?track=ct_episode
The fight of robot-man continues and Nanoha arrives at the scene.

>>283040341
Not everything has to be gay, but if they did that, most current fans would probably love it. 7 Arcs at least seem to be aiming for the yuri magical girls' aspect as much as in the past, judging by the gay merch from the latest Lyrical Party, some in pic related (also, Shammal for some reason gets a black suit under her doctor coat).

But being hopelessly realistic, what is going to happen is probably closer to this >>283044202 judging by half of the stuff in this current timeline.

>>283042802
Au contraire. The Madoka formula has been run to the ground by this point. Everything remotely similar would feel cliche. A reconstruction of the Mahou Shoujo genre would work better.

>>283040223 (OP)
>it will make it the biggest magical girl series in the world
That will always be Precure sadly.

>>283047912
For real? It doesn't seem so big in the west. I still hear Sailor Moon being mentioned more.

>>283047949
>muh west
Who cares

>>283040223 (OP)
Sailor Moon & Precure (Eastern Asia) are the only magical girl shows anyone outside of Japan cares about. The genre has never been popular in the West.

nanoha died when strikes aired

>>283048133
So much for "in the world", huh.

>>283048207
Nanoha died when they cancelled FORCE.

>>283040223 (OP)
Nanoha's schtick was to be a mahou shoujo for people that dislike shoujo. That worked in the 2000s but now the genre is completely dominated by moe otakus so Nanoha lost its appeal

>>283040223 (OP)
>Nanoha thread
I got you covered

>>283045716
>meguca
In fact, the Madoka series does not make a lot of money. The profitability of the Madoka series is only slightly higher than that of the CCS series, but the gap is too big compared with the Precure series.

>>283040341
This would be perfect

The cumulative total sales of all Mobile Games in the Madoka series combined is only 24,231,000,000 yen (24.231 billion yen / $160 million USD)

>>283045716
https://www.lanovelibrary.com/madoka-magica/
https://www.madoka-magica.com/tv/bddvd/index.html

Cumulative sales of the Madoka TV anime's BD Box, Blu-ray Disc, and DVD collections totaled 3,253,142,000 yen (3.253 billion yen).

Cumulative sales of Blu-ray Discs totaled 364,958 volumes.

Blu-ray Disc price was 7,000 yen.

Cumulative sales of Blu-ray Discs totaled 2,554,706,000 yen (2.554 billion yen).

Cumulative sales of DVDs totaled 61,406 volumes.

DVD price was 6,000 yen.

Cumulative sales of DVDs totaled 368,436,000 yen (368 million yen).

Madoka TV anime's BD Box collection

Cumulative sales of the BD Box collection totaled 13,200 volumes.

BD Box price was 25,000 yen.

Cumulative sales of the BD Box collection totaled 330,000,000 yen (330 million yen).

>>283047060
>Wolkenritter
Fucking finally!

Also, Zafira is wearing a uniform!

>>283040223 (OP)
Is Nanoha the protagonist this time?

>>283049440
>Also, Zafira is wearing a uniform!
Yeah, it's refreshing. Zafira and Yuuno usually wear nothing.

Jokes aside, I wonder if the black uniforms are for the people that don't come out to the field. I can't come up with any other criteria with the information we have yet.

>>283045716
https://www.lanovelibrary.com/madoka-magica/
https://www.madoka-magica.com/zenkouhen/blu-ray_dvd/
https://www.madoka-magica.com/uhdbd/

Cumulative sales of Madoka's films across the BD Box, Blu-ray Disc, and DVD collections totaled 2,857,382,400 yen (2.857 billion yen).

Cumulative sales of Blu-ray Discs totaled 276,917 units (Beginnings + Eternal: 108,092 units, Rebellion: 168,825 units).

The Blu-ray Disc price is 9,000 yen.

Cumulative sales of Blu-ray Discs totaled 2,492,253,000 yen (2.492 billion yen).

Cumulative sales of DVDs totaled 24,707 units (Beginnings + Eternal: 7,987 units, Rebellion: 16,720 units).

The DVD price is 4,200 yen.

Cumulative sales of DVDs totaled 103,769,400 yen (103 million yen).

BD Cumulative sales of the BD Box are 13,200 volumes (Beginnings + Eternal: 6,374 volumes).

The BD Box price is 19,800 yen.

Cumulative sales of the BD Box are 261,360,000 yen (261 million yen).

>>283047060
Oh cool they remembered yuuno exists

>>283045716
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/劇場版_魔法少女まどかマギカ

The cumulative box office revenue of the Madoka series is 3,230,000,000 yen (3.23 billion yen).

Beginnings: 590,000,000 yen (590 million yen).

Eternal: 560,000,000 yen (560 million yen).

Rebellion: 2,080,000,000 yen (2.08 billion yen).

>>283040223 (OP)
Why do you keep posting shit facebook images

>>283047746
>A reconstruction of the Mahou Shoujo genre would work better.
Better yet, instead of making concessions to the deconstructions, force them to look in the mirror. Scrutinize them the way that "Happiness is a lie" motherfucker and his imitators scrutinized magical girls played straight.

>>283045716
All slot machine models in the Madoka series.

>>283040223 (OP)
How can they make a great Nanoha series with current 7 Arcs? Did you see what they did with Mato no Seihei?

Nanoha is so cute in the newest chapter.
>gets told Fate is coming to back her up soon
>gives biggest smile ever

>>283045716
Total sales of slot machines in 2025 are 8,997,000,000 yen (8.997 billion yen).

Total sales of slot machines are 15,000 units.

The price of each slot machine is 599,800 yen.

>>283045716
Total sales of slot machines in 2024 are 5,499,000,000 yen (5.499 billion yen).

Total sales of slot machines are 10,000 units.

The price of each slot machine is 549,900 yen.

I have negative hype for anything in this garbage alternate timeline. everyone who wanted a universe with player 2 recolors instead of subaru and teana should fall over and die.

>>283050650
That's cute.

>>283045716

I'm tired, so I'll stop here for now.

The total sales for the Madoka series is 44,355,524,400 yen (44.355 billion yen).

https://eigaworldwide.github.io/chara-market

As of 2023, cumulative sales of all Precure products reached 957,598,000,000 yen (957,598 million yen).

Precure product sales have consistently exceeded 30 billion to 60 billion yen annually, with peak sales reaching 70 billion yen in one year.

This does not include the box office revenue of the Precure series of movies.

>>283045716
https://mantan-web.jp/article/20220407dog00m200000000c.html

From 1996 to 2018, the cumulative total sales of the CCS series was 30 billion yen.

>Tsuzuki/7Arcs squandering yet another entry to the franchise
Would be expected at this point.

>busty long-haired Hayate (and Rein II) in uniform
All is forgiven.

I managed to get my hands on the manga preorder bonus clear files. Nanoha and Fate look so pretty in these.

>>283048541
Not to mention "girls actually fighting in rpic ways" isn't rare in Japanese manga or anime anymore so Nanoha being this GAR little girl isn't noteworthy anymore.

>>283048541
>>283054446
You know something is good by the amount of doomposters and naysayers that pop up in their threads.

>>283054928
Nanoha will never kiss Fate

>>283040223 (OP)
Introduce a male self insert who'll dick down all the heroines.

>>283055001
The girls have idol status. A guy fucking the girls would cause the otakus to send death threats and even worse, to stop buying the merchandise

>>283055001
Already tried it, didn't work.

>>283055071
The dude's too pretty to be a self insert, though. I'm talking about your extra helpful uncle, or the likes

>>283055296
Yuuno worked as a self-insert for the male audience until Strikers but later Nanoha follow the trend of secluded all-female worlds for waifufags so Yuuno was discarded

>>283054970
On screen, you mean. That's a given.
Otherwise, in this timeline, they probably aren't even dating yet, who knows, like that other Anon said the previous movies focus too much on the new characters to let us know much about anyone. NanoFate is a constant in every timeline, though, so if the narrative continues in the future, it's unavoidable that they will eventually start their own family here too. Even in a timeline where Nanoha took Hayate's place, her fate remained the same.

>>283055815
>On screen, you mean. That's a given
>They kissed in a dream

>>283055837
With not on screen, I mean "off-camera".

>>283055837
>They kissed in a dream
It's normal for hormonal teenagers to dream about kissing their crushes.

>>283055906
>Vivio, Subaru and Trana
RIP

>>283040223 (OP)
>Exceeds Gun Blaze Vengeance
What is this title?

>>283054970
I don't know, but chances are they've already done something else in that bed besides sleeping.

>>283052268
I want to bite those thighs

>>283055968
Imagine Fate stealthy humping a sleeping Nanoha...

>>283055001
Yeah, because that went well the last time they tried....

Whatever happened to the vivid manga?

>>283057086
It ended like almost a decade ago

>>283057086
Vivio humiliated Nanoha in battle and the manga ended.

>>283057159
huh, I guess I thought there would've been more to the ancient kings thing. That was the last series to actually have potentially cool lore.

>>283057209
That plot was always going to wrap up with Olivie dying and Claus marrying some random wench.
There is not much else they could've done with it.

>>283056436
Headcanon

>>283057468
I'm bummed Claus didn't married Crossdresser Ried Jeremiah and banged to honor Olivie's memory.

>>283040341
>- Show them explicitly having romantic feelings for each other from the outset
This. Make it gayer.

>>283057703
Tsusuki doesn't have the balls.

>>283057712
Fucking Gundam made fat bank off of making a yuri series. There's no excuse.

And yes, I'm looking at you too, Bandai. Interpret these nuts in your mouth, cowards.

>>283057579
Claus not breeding his bro is disappointing but not unexpected.
Him not fucking the cat is the real tragedy.

>>283057507
No, that's pretty canon in the original continuity, but not yet in the current one.

>>283057907
shit from mercury flopped

>>283057907
Nanofate is alredy open to interpretation

Reminder that in INNOCENTS, Vivio is Nanoha and Fate's bio kid. These bitches have bred.

>>283057907
>Fucking Gundam made fat bank off of making a yuri series. There's no excuse.
And that's with Bandai not even giving them a child. Or at least not yet, who knows that will happen in the manga timeline.
That side, Nanoha and Fate are way too young to also marry in Exceeds, so it's almost guaranteed that they won't reach the NF level in Vivid or SuleMio.

>>283058014
Everything is open to interpretation in anime, that's how art works. What I think you meant is that some aspects of their romantic relationship are not explicit, which is true, but that doesn't make their family or marriage any less part of the narrative.

>>283056895
Hey ,at least he will never be forgotten

>>283058144
>Everything is open to interpretation in anime, that's how art works.
If Nanoha and Fate kiss, it wouldn't be open to interpretation anymore.

>>283058232
Don't be so naive, Anon, you know that the brainwashed homophobes, that can't avoid but get triggered by two cute girls being together, will make up some bullshit excuse in their cognitive dissonant bliss. They already did for all the over the top gay stuff in the main timeline, and they did to for GW that also had married lesbians >>283057907

>>283058144
>Fate-senpai
Aw!

>What I think you meant is that some aspects of their romantic relationship are not explicit, which is true, but that doesn't make their family or marriage any less part of the narrative.
There's a scene in StrikerS in which Nanha and Fate are heavily implied to have fucked.

>>283058403
Their overly active sexual life was a running joke for some years.

>>283058403
>There's a scene in StrikerS in which Nanha and Fate are heavily implied to have fucked.
I don't remember that scene. But I remember Nanoha gushing over Yuuno in episode 8 I think

>>283058432
They just were happy to see Yuuno after what seemed was years apart.
The one track that Yuuno has with Nanoha in the drama CDs following that episode and Vivio's kidnapping was about him getting into a call with Nanoha and telling her that she has Fate.

>>283056436
>>283057971
If they were so intimate why would they sleep four feet apart from each other in a massive bed with a giant "no homo" pillow between them?

>>283040223 (OP)
Nanoha died in its first season, there's no way to mend all the garbage after the first season

>>283058544
What are you talking about? First Season was okay but it was A's that put Nanoha on the map.

>>283058512
They wouldn't want to crush their daughter, Anon, or expose her to the wonders of yuri at such a young age.

>>283058576
First season was great, I don't care what put the series on the map because I don't care about normalfags.

>>283058669
A's is superior to S1 in every way.

>>283058430
>avoid public displays of affection
>mate like absolute beasts in private

if fucking Precure can have a lesbian kiss there's no reason Nanoha can't

>>283058512
Anon, they're sharing a bed with the kid they adopted together. Come on now.

>>283058053
>>283056436
Honestly pussyfooting around confirming it is getting old. We're in 2025 now and shit like Gundam got away with yuri wedding rings and an entire plot based on a yuri arranged marriage. At this point if they don't just confirm it, it's just another metric by which the series has no idea what to do with the stuff that its already set up. Not knowing that the character relationships in addition to the overpowered magical duels is what people liked from the series is what's causing it to continue to lose relevance and viewers. All they have to do is write a plot that heavily involves Nanoha and Fate working together and overcoming some perosnal struggle without the constant shifts to donut steel OCs and it would do better than everything they've done since Strikers. It just reminds me of Digimon Tri and the latest 02 movie centering some random OC that no one cares about when people are watching for the old main cast they're nostalgic for.

FORCE should've reached it's natural course. Cancelling it following with repeated retellings made people lose confidence in Tsuzuki.

>>283059301
Honestly this franchise has been lost in the woods since Strikers, and that was a very very long time ago already. I like Nanoha but the series is wasted potential and it's never coming back.

>>283059301
>All they have to do is write a plot that heavily involves Nanoha and Fate working together and overcoming some perosnal struggle without the constant shifts to donut steel OCs
This is the most baffling part to me. Why are they so hung up on trying to phase out Nanoha and Fate? Fans love them, and I think it's safe to say that most folks are tuning in to see where these two go next. They've been pulling this crap since arguably StrikerS, and it demonstrably does not work.

Force's "Natural Course" was cancelation.

>>283059724
Nah, we really missed on it. Specially the conclusion of Signum's cool character arc.

>>283059578
>>283059724
>Thoma
FORCE was fucked from the jump.

force haters don't want you to know it had naked titties in the first chapter. force and vivid were the only entries in the series with nudity and you rejected them.

>>283060352
FORCE had a few good ideas and dared to make notorious changes but the Nanoha fandom is too sensible and monotonous.

>>283059714
Otakus could send death threats if Nanoha and Fate aren't available anymore

Force was terrible but not because of Thoma. Force was terrible because it continued StrikerS' tradition of horrendous cast bloat. It got cancelled before anything even got remotely resolved, so everyone remembers it at its nadir.

Hoping the Materials show up in the new season

>>283040223 (OP)
what the fuck is this gpt language shit.