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Why do so many japanese authors adopt such an irreverent, even profane, approach to sacred themes related to the West?

I understand that in the past, there may have been cultural distancing and some disregard, but the tendency to treat Western religious elements irreverently seems to persist to this day. It's a very disturbing portrayal, and when we do see more respectful representations, they're usually by Christian authors or those with a Christian or very Western upbringing.

Are the Japanese incorrigible profaners?

Why do triggered Christtards keep making this fucking thread?
It's not like you care when Western or Asian media depicts Muslims as towelheaded terrorists

>>283101999
This is a temporal and entirely contingent portrayal of Muslims. It doesn't even say anything about traditional Islam, which shouldn't be lightly desecrated. It's just a stereotype.

Anime's portrayals, however, aren't even committed to stereotypes; they're more vulgar, gratuitous, and desecrating, often about the eternal and essential elements of religion. In fact, anime/manga often pervert and invert stereotypes (sexualized nuns are a clear example; they're the opposite of the stereotype), just because a Japanese person thinks it's cool.

>>283101666 (OP)
Fuck off satan

>>283101666 (OP)
I'm watching this and it's hilarious. Cry more.

>>283101666 (OP)
Christianity is nowhere near as sacred as anime and manga are.

>>283102807
Perfect example right here
"My entertainment is the most important thing in the world"

>>283103058
>My imaginary friend is the most important thing in the world

>>283103111
At least it's honest

>>283101999
I have seen over 3000 manga/anime/VNs. Among them there are more then 200 which depict christian commnuity. And each and every single one the christain character in question was subject of rape, abuse, deframation and antagonisation.
I honestly lost count of the amount of times when some fag MC in a random anime says unprovoked "hurr durr God is le dead" as if it was some kind of common catchphrase in nippon.

There is difference between having tendency portry certain groups and characteristics in negative light; and doing so in a mandatory way without any expaectations whatsoever.

The only time I've seen a church members being portrayed in neutral/positive light was in the fighting manga Holy Land. Delinquent rival of MC goes astray to a church building due to his suicidal tendencies. Inside he meets a christian girl. She proceeds to talk with him until he regins his composure and belief in humanity. He leaves the church and returns next day to thank her. But he is not able meet her there, losing contact forever. So he keeps the cross which she wore as a memento of her, despite not being chrisian himself.
And that's it. It's the only one single fucking instance among ~3000 that I've seen where the church members aren't either a secretly mustache twirling le evil illuminati priest or a rape-bait nun.

Like seriously, I remember when I read muramasa VN, but I dropped it as soon as it was revealed that the senpai teacher was a catholic. Because it basically spoils who is going to be the culprit and main antagonist of the chapter in a detectuive story.
Oh wow, nip author-kun, turns out the only christian character in the entire story is actually deranged maniac who wants to rape and kill everything?? How very unexpected. Truly it has never been done before in any manga nor anime.

You would think that by the way, in which nip authors hate christians, this shit was actually written by someone from pissraei not japan.

>>283102217
>(sexualized nuns are a clear example; they're the opposite of the stereotype)
"Nunnery" as a euphemism for brothel goes back to at least Shakespeare you underage cuck

>>283101666 (OP)
Because it doesn't mean the same way as it does in the West. Christian Theology, well Abrahamic if we're being honest is just another mythology line much like Greek or Norse.
Your whole faith is just another story.

>>283101666 (OP)
their other religions (many of them blend religions btw) are relatively chill, so christians look strict or overzealous by comparison

>>283103183
>deframation
ESL or just retarded?

>>283103245
It's called spelling error.
I hope that helps.

>>283103278
So both.

>>283103289
Whtever makes you happy senpai.

>>283101666 (OP)
>satanic trips
ok satan i'll bite
they've always used religious iconography for the a e s t h e t i c s because they never cared for the deeper meaning

>>283101666 (OP)
because christianity is the biggest religion in the world and is known for indoctrinating people into their religion while vilifying others
its followers famously never actually follow the religious doctrine and instead using it as a justification to commit heinous acts that will get you thrown straight to hell
and they have a nasty habit of pretending to be morally righteous while actively being hateful person
since the japanese have experience with cults, it makes it so they are less scared to depict christianity in a negative light

>>283103183
>commnuity
>christain
>deframation
>portry
>expaectations
>regins
>detectuive
>pissraei
0/10 very poor. See me after class.

>>283103209
So when Hamlet tells Ophelia to go to a nunnery, he's really calling her a bop?
Wtf...they didn't tell me this in English class

>>283103209
You're stupid if you think a euphemism is the same as a proposed stereotype inversion. The object of Shakespeare's discourse isn't even sacred, but simply a place with certain aspects (probably safety).

some peasants in nagasaki tried to revolt against the government hundreds of years ago and they happened to be christian so the government used it as an excuse to execute them all because making christianity illegal sounded less tyrannical than making it illegal to be too poor to pay your taxes.

>>283103388
>How to prove you've never read Hamlet whilst sound like a retarded pseud

>>283103319
Yeah I remember when my christian mom told me that if I don't molest 13yo loli then I will be drgged to jigoku by the lord enma.
Curse those stupid christians for inventing concept of hell to scare children.

>>283103388
Nothing you typed makes sense and ypu are just saying word salad.

>>283103319
here's your reddit gold, kind stranger

Can we talk about that time that Jesus got pissy about a fig tree not having fruit (out of season) and cursed it? Because that's totally a guy you want to base your moral philosophy on

>>283103475
What anime?

>>283103388
>The object of Shakespeare's discourse isn't even sacred
A nunnery isn't a sacred place in 16th century Denmark...?

>>283103316
Some do, but others don't... Not every author uses Christian icons in a way that's completely oblivious to their meaning, nor is every author as ignorant as you. Even in the early days of anime, you can see that some of them were educated and aware of the meaning of things; just look at the stories of Go Nagai, for example (that guy loves to swear).

Sometimes they also understand the meaning, but don't profane it (such as Urasawa, the author of Monster). Not to mention the cases in which the authors were raised by Christians (like Konaka Chiaki) or are Christians themselves (like the author of Trigun).
This talk that Japanese people don't understand Christianity is layman's talk that many otaku use to absolve the authors of any responsibility. They have enough culture.

>>283103475
Was Jesus an isekaijin?

>>283103488
Boku no pico (the most Catholic of anime)

>>283103515
Seriously it's in the Bible (Mark 11:12-14)

>>283101666 (OP)
There's basically three kinds of Japanese people (in terms of attitudes toward the outside world):
-The cosmopolitan nihonjin who is fascinated with the wide world outside of Japan and turns the perfectionist attitude of Japanese creative arts towards producing works that blend foreign and native influence. When they feature foreign cultures in their works, it's often with an impressive attention to the minutiae. Ex: Jojo's Bizarre Adventure with it's infamous "travelogue-esque" segments in Parts 3 and 5 extoling the local sights and culture of various parts of Central Asia, Egypt, and Italy.
-The plebian nihonjin who has little intellectual curiosity towards the outside world, but will happily consume media produced by both of the other groups. If they do feature foreign cultures in their works, they'll likely try to ape the cosmopolitan, but will get key details wrong and display clear Japanese biases, or else restrict themselves to a few "exotic" token characters. Ex: Bleach, which has Chad the quarter-Hispanic giant and uses a lot of Spanish for purely stylistic reasons.
-The Ultranationalist nihonjin who views the world outside of Japan as inherently and categorically inferior. These people almost never make content that isn't focused on Japan or a fantasy world that has strongly Japanese ethics, and are generally not particularly popular outside of Japan if their personal views seep into their work. Ex: GATE, which portrays the JSDF as, essentially, the world's best military, pretends the Japanese government literally doesn't even know what war crimes ARE, and features such amazing plot twists as "We know these spec ops soldiers are American because one of them's black."

>>283101666 (OP)
Because japan doesn't take religion seriously and cannot fathom why anyone would. But also because the church actually is demonstrably evil.

>>283103501
Why do so many danish authors adopt such an irreverent, even profane, approach to sacred themes related to the West?

I understand that in the past, there may have been cultural distancing and some disregard, but the tendency to treat Western religious elements irreverently seems to persist to this day. It's a very disturbing portrayal, and when we do see more respectful representations, they're usually by Christian authors or those with a Christian or very Western upbringing.

Are the danish incorrigible profaners?

>>283103544
>That kerning on "be an"

>>283101666 (OP)
I don't think they are purposely looking to profane western religions. Mostly, it has to do with the fact that Christian symbols look cool to them.

So you will often see them used and yeah, profanity may occur, but I don't think that's the focus.

>>283103319
here's the You and don't spend it all in one place

>>283103501
The point is that Shakespeare isn't saying anything about the sacredness of these places. It's simply a linguistic borrowing used poetically (since there's a subtlety to the meaning of the phrase), motivated more by the social context.
This has nothing to do with an anime that depicts a believer confessing to a scantily clad nun in a confessional (?) with the sexual undertone serving as a means of expiating his sins.

I have a theory that japanese hate christianity because it's naturally stands against the very idea of iseaki.

Typical otaku must feel very insecure about the fact that he will go to hell instead getting harem of bitches in the another life after masturbating for 30 years to a cardbaord.

>>283103615
>If I move the goalposts I'll be right
Ah yes, christcuck logic

>>283103640
>cardbaord
-1/10

>>283103615
Don't lie, your ass would be in that confessional booth day in and day out if nuns looked like this

>>283103655
>cuck
That seems quite unprovked. Just because Japan loves NTR does mean everyone else does too.

>>283103696
>unprovked
-20/10

>>283103696
>does mean everyone else does too
Oh no no no

>>283103696
God fucked Mary's wife and then had her husband raise his kid. The founding moment of Christianity is Joseph being cucked

>>283103433
america is a text book example since it literally bombs innocent children in other countries and actively defends and supports genocide despite being a god fearing nation
it's no wonder japs shit on christianity so much

>>283103655
I'm not moving the goalposts; that's exactly how Shakespeare's discourse presents itself. In fact, I wouldn't even need to move the goalposts here, especially since your point seems to be "but... Western authors do this too," which is true, and you could cite thousands of authors besides Shakespeare. The point is that this in no way dignifies anime.

>>283103842
>More goalpost moving
What next? "Muhh mysterious ways"?

>>283103864
Just because you didn't get it the first time doesn't mean the goalposts moved

>>283103838
So true
If they were just bombing innocent adults we would have no reason to be angry

It's funny how anime fags alwys bring up Shakespeare, because they have never read a book in their entire lives and so they go after the lowest hanging fruit.

>>283103881
>"Muhh mysterious ways"
Yep called it, keep crying christcuck

>>283103905
>alwys
-100/10

Try harder jimmy. (You)s aren't free.

>>283101666 (OP)
Maybe because they've been fighting against Christianity for good 400 years, if not more?

>>283101666 (OP)
>>283101999
>bait this hamfisted
>intentional trips
>samefag fp
I hope the rest of you are responding ironically

>>283103640
>>283103950
I now want to read a series in which MC gets isekai'd straight to hell

>>283104010
A tragedy for Christianity in Japan. However, I don't think this explains the situation, as anime portrayals barely touch on this historical event (there's more of this in Japanese games).

It's more likely that this is a result of some people in the anime/manga industry sometimes being educated in European literary canons (especially French ones), often fueling prejudice and a disregard for the sacred (not only toward Christianity, but especially against it). But this doesn't seem to explain everything.

>>283101666 (OP)
Have you seen how westerners treat Asian religions?

>>283104304
>anime portrayals barely touch on this historical event
Well, of course they do, as with many other historical events that involve Japan and some other country. They don't want to offend anyone.
But I wouldn't put it past the Japanese that they still perceive Christianity as an old enemy. Besides, it's easy to bash on it: turn the other cheek and all that.

The Japanese are godless heathens who don't have any concept of the holy.
They profane even their own false idols. There are lots of games, anime, and manga that portray their gods as cock hungry sluts.
You have to keep in mind that ever since Hirohito was forced to abdicate his divine status their state religion of Shinto has effectively been killed.
I wonder if the Pacific War between the US and Japan counts as a Crusade, or holy war.

>>283104600
It doesn't

>>283104304
>people can't hate christianity for itself, the fact that it was the ideological speararm of foreign powers, or the way its missionaries behaved and told the locals their ancestors all went to hell, it has to be french propaganda

>>283104808
I never said this is the only influence. I just said it's more representative and relevant than the one proposed.
There are certainly many reasons, ranging from French propaganda to bad experiences and impressions of Asian cults influenced by Christianity.

>>283101666 (OP)
>profane
fuck off mason

>>283104321
Yeah, so what? Many Westerners are sympathetic to such pagan religions and sometimes try to do justice to their sacredness, failing more out of ignorance than lack of will. It has nothing to do with how anime approaches the issue.
What's your point?

Jesuits legit did nothing wrong in Japan and the Shimabara Rebellion was justified.

>>283104945
What french propaganda specifically though, I'm interested

>>283104600
Yes, Hirohito's resignation was the catalyst for all this. Buddhism, in turn, was dying because it was subjugated to the state... it's hard to respect a religious leader when he's subjugated to a bureaucrat. But that doesn't explain to me why anime so blatantly epitomizes this Japanese expression.

>>283103111
Doesn't that apply to both?

>>283105118
I don't pray to Komaeda though, and I don't think we can really say christians see god as a friend. It's more like a father, mastee, and husband all in one package.

>>283103544
Great post, thank you anon.
Second and third group brings to mind the anime adaptation of Banana Fish, where the corsican mafiosos bowed to their boss in a typically japanese way. It was corrected later but man that was funny. It's only human to have blind spots and biases I suppose.

>>283101999
They are brown poojeet larping as judeo-christcuck on the internet, thinking they're some kind of god-chosen people who can't do no wrong and demand to have their dick sucked.

>>283105061
In short, a Dark Legend about the Middle Ages, something the French are experts at doing. To cite one example, Jules Michelet's La Sorciere alone shaped much of Miura's (author of Berserk) imagination and inspired Kanashimi no Belladonna, two elements that have greatly influenced the current approach to anime and manga.

>>283105313
The inside of your head must be pretty nasty from all the dhesis living in it rent free

>>283104990
>Many Westerners are sympathetic to such pagan religions and sometimes try to do justice to their sacredness
>*cue native americans dancing around the fire like crazed beasts*

>>283105353
Native American religions don't represent Asian religions (which is what I was talking about). At least try to interpret a text correctly.
The representation of American pagan religions is a different matter, and this approach has different motivations that aren't useful to discuss here.

>>283105332
Kek I often feel like the japanese have read french books I have never even heard about despite being french myself but this is a new one, thank you anon.
It sheds some new light on why Belladona is so Bardot like too.
I never got the impression the dark legend about the middle age was strictly a french thing though. But then again I'm not in the best place to tell.

>Are the Japanese incorrigible profaners?
It is just exotic to them.

>>283105442
Native americans are pretty much just eastern asians but alright I'll concede.

>>283104990
Both westerners and even the Asians themselves will make fun of Buddha, of all sorts of Asian deities, will treat rituals and the afterlife as a joke, will use chi and meditation for power systems in martial arts media, will show perverted and corrupt Buddhist monks or Shinto priests, etc. Pic related, the Japanese god of thunder. So why would it be weird when media either on the west or the east treats Christianity the same way?

>>283105554
Because the creator of this thread had his feelings hurt, that's all.

>>283105492
Even if they were the children of Asians, the issue is the difference in religious perspective, not the difference in ancestry. No one, even considering Native Americans closely related to Asians, would argue that Native American religion is an Asian religion.

>>283101666 (OP)
I didn't read this thread? Rule 42 and 43. Holy shit. Anime is too fucking mainstream. You guys only know rule 34. Did everyone else forget this site was intended to be as edgy as possible

>>283101666 (OP)
To hell with religion. I'm glad that the Japanese don't tippy toe around Christianity. Leave that to the people who have to adapt these series region to region. "Oh no a cross! No one in the west will want to watch this series now!" Fuck off.

Post sexy miko

>>283105572
Pretty much yeah, at least it's a good reminder why blasphemy should never be outlawed. As usual it's never the ones who complain the most who are treated the worse, just the most entitled ones. By making blasphemy legal, you at least spare yourself and public money from having to deal with these people and why their feelings were hurt.

>>283105344
Nah, I'm pretty normal and well-adjusted actually, I'm just not deluded, thinking that people who use religion for their own selfish gain should be revered like a sacred cow.

>>283105664
Here you are.

>>283105610
Well I guess not but when I saw musicologists mistake buddhist chants for native american chamanic songs I can't say it didn't rewire my brain a bit.

>>283105629
>Did everyone else forget this site was intended to be as edgy as possible
How exactly do you expect to realize this ideal when the average age has been trending upward for years and the average anon breaks into half-song-half-dance blogpost about the roastie they shacked up with whenever the opportunity arises

>>283105821
It didn't rewire your preconceptions of musicologists as hacks that have no idea what they're talking about?

>>283105554
It's not the same thing; manga artists do this gratuitously, without any sense, in the most vulgar way, and sometimes in works completely divorced from any appropriate context. Mortal Kombat at least has a completely ironic narrative approach to mythology, or we can mention horror films with priests and nuns that also often capture the theme of exorcism. I mean, even Western desecraters know they're dealing with sacred themes and usually adapt the context accordingly, something the Japanese almost never do, and when they do, it's with the deliberate intention of desecrating (like Go Nagai) and not with the intention of merely ironic discourse.

So, on one side, we have those who are oblivious to any insight into the sacred, and on the other, we have those who aren't, but who are deliberately desecrating. In between, we have an Urasawa or a Kurumada.

Not to mention that only more recently has the West approached Japan about this behavior, and the average Japanese person is far less aware of this kind of thing than the Westerner. It makes no sense to compare the Western approach with that of the Japanese.

>>283105820
You are a pervert with an anti-civilization mindset who is trying to rationalize your prejudices.

>>283105862
Its not average age. Its religious people discovering anime culture lol. There's a massive push to ban porn from religious right types right now. Pornhub is blocked in like 20 states. These are not people who should be watching anime.

>>283105969
>It's okay if we do it because we do it the "ironic" way.
>Unlike those barbarian savage who do it the honest way.

>>283106228
I never said that the way we do things is okay, but rather that it's generally not the equivalent of the Japanese approach (which is the line of argument people are taking). MK, which was the example given, is engaging in an ironic mimesis of mythological aspects; it has nothing to do with what I pointed out. There's a lot to repudiate about the West too, things that aren't ironic approaches, but none of this is dominant in any media (unlike manga and anime).

I also never said that the Japanese never adopt ironic means to contextualize their narratives around religious elements. This, in fact, tends to be the case with much of the work that parodies or is inspired by Dante's Divine Comedy. This is apart from the cases where the Japanese make good use of the Western sacred aspect, such as Urasawa (in Monster) and Kurumada (in Saint Seiya), which I mentioned.

The whole point is that it's foolish to pretend the approaches are the same, as foolish as trying to say that Japanese manga artists and directors don't understand anything about Christianity. It also points out the obvious fact that the Japanese have a depraved imagination, lacking respect and awareness of the sacred, and begs for a plausible explanation.

>>283105480
The Japanese have a deep respect for the French. The founders of Studio Ghibli were all influenced by the French. The creator of Akira began by adapting a French novel. Great animation classics have been inspired by aspects of French imagery (Versailles no Bara, for example). All of this is reflected in the intellectual and cultural formation of Japanese animation directors and manga artists.
This is expressed in much more than just the imagery of the Middle Ages, which France was primarily responsible for promoting, but not solely.

>jack off to hot nuns
>that's another 20,000 years in Purgatory for you bucko

>>283106166
>Its religious people discovering anime culture lol.
Oh shit, you're actually underaged.

>>283106166
>>283106631
Book's from 2000 btw
https://1900hotdog.com/2021/07/seanbaby-nerding-pokemon-and-harry-potter-a-fatal-attraction-%F0%9F%8C%AD/

So what if the nation on the opposite end of the world where Christianity is a minority treats it with the same nonchalance and exoticism as we do any other religion in our own fictions? Should we start another crusade over it or something?

>>283106423
>It also points out the obvious fact that the Japanese have a depraved imagination, lacking respect and awareness of the sacred, and begs for a plausible explanation
Why do you need an explanation? Why on earth would people who weren't raised into faith have any awareness or respect for """""the sacred"""""?
Assuming you're not baiting, your thought process betrays the fact that you genuinely believe everything christian is universal and should be recognized as valuable even by an alien who just dropped on earth and has no concept of human culture. But that is simply not the case. Nobody has any reason to value or respect christianity unless they were exposed to it or their believers. And since the japanese are, currently, one of the least exposed people to it on earth, with only around 1% of christians, they don't give a fuck and it triggers you because you can tell.

>>283101666 (OP)
Nice trips.
Why would you expect non-Christians to revere Christianity?

>>283103183
>You would think that by the way, in which nip authors hate christians
The Japanese couldn't care enough about christians to hate them

>>283106895
>Why would you expect non-Christians to revere Christianity?
Because the world revolves around me.

>>283101666 (OP)
yes, please we need to change anime to be more pozzed erm less offensive specially in such critical issues, what about muslims next? How will the muslim feel if there's no representation in the manga? such people of religion can do no wrong and need to be represented in a good light and violence's pretty bad why is manga so violent?

>>283103183
>or a rape-bait nun.
Not like Shinto mikos fare much better in manga/doujinshi necessarily...
Or imagine all those shrine festivals used as an excuse to draw girls in fundoshi.

>>283105969
>those who are oblivious to any insight into the sacred
My man they have a shrine in every corner. Their "sacred" is not your "sacred"

>>283106748
>Why do you need an explanation?
Because it's a medium that realizes an influential social and cultural phenomenon that has been designed to speak to the West since at least the end of the last century. This alone indicates its explanatory importance.

>Why on earth would people who weren't raised into faith have any awareness or respect for """""the sacred"""""?

Since the Sacred (without quotation marks) is an element of human development, anyone has access to it, regardless of whether they were raised in a religion or not. The Japanese's exposure to Christianity is irrelevant; much of the West has little or no exposure to other non-Christian traditional religions, but people from these places can and should show some respect when addressing elements of these religions.
That's why I said "Sacred" and not "Christian." Christianity is simply the most frequent representation, but other religions also suffer from such approaches ("Magi," for example, does this by portraying aspects of Islam and Judaism).

You're formulating a version of "but the Japanese are alienated from Christianity" to absolve them of any responsibility. But this is an exaggeration, especially since many manga artists have a good understanding of culture and religious elements, at least to use them in a comprehensive causal chain. The writers and directors know very well what they're doing, at least most of them, so much so that their lack of respect is admitted and deliberate (Hideaki Anno, for example).

>>283107380
So what? Their approach to all this is quite apathetic, bureaucratic, and merely superstitious or cultural.

>>283101666 (OP)
(((jesuits)))

>>283101666 (OP)
Because the Spanish and Portuguese tried to conquer them with the priests leading the way

>>283106631
Not sure why you're calling me out. I'm agreeing these people shouldn't be watching anime and are tourists. Quite a difference between pokemon on tv which was censored to all hell and back, and still somehow offended the Christians. I remember 3 months or so back, Christians were freaking out about the crossdressing character in My Dress up Darling. Moral panicking christians should not be in any hobby. Anime, games, etc

>>283107404
>Their approach to all this is quite apathetic, bureaucratic, and merely superstitious or cultural.
Are you talking about Christians or Japanese? Because it applies to both.
>but they're not real Christians
there are not many real Christians then

>>283107074
They don't need to do this, they don't need to revere. They just need to abandon the deep desire to desecrate everything in such a vulgar way.

Many non-Christians have some reverence for Christianity, and even some who don't have such reverence don't engage in low-value profanity.

>>283107404
And you're not any different than the hoodweebs who want black representation in anime, if you want better representations for Christians. Difference is you lack any sort of self awareness

>>283107439
Rule 42: Nothing Is Sacred.
Rule 43: The more beautiful and pure a thing is—the more satisfying it is to corrupt it.

>>283103475
He literally said the fig tree symbolizes Israel

>>283107439
>They just need to abandon the deep desire to desecrate everything in such a vulgar way.
The woman body is not vulgar, but I expect nothing less coming from a christian (or a larper most likely)

>>283107442
My text in no way demands or implies that Japanese people have an obligation or responsibility to accurately portray Christianity. You are illiterate and can only reason based on logical leaps and comparisons that delimit your cultural imagination.

>>283103681
Nuns don't give confessions

>>283107466
Another retard who can only reason in logical leaps. I've never spoken against the portrayal of a woman's body purely, but there are uses of eroticism that are convenient (see the painting "The Birth of Venus") and others that are not (which is what you see in your anime to masturbate to).

>>283107504
what are you even doing here then faggot

>>283107438
Even among non-believers, there's still an imaginary driven by the sacred, which is why there's a taboo on many disrespectful depictions of religion in the West, while this is almost non-existent in Japan. Comparing these two is the most fruitless thing one can do to defend the Japanese, as it depends on ignoring a series of glaring discrepancies (apart from the fact that the most religiously committed in Japan are Christians, which already illustrates a difference in commitment).

>>283107566
>>283107566
No, that's because hundreds of millions of you faggots keep crying when people make fun of christianity lol

>>283107541
I want to know if any of you retards or even the least bit interested people have a decent explanation for this. I don't want to deal with people who will try to rationalize their own vices by defending the perversions of the Japanese. Do what you want with your shitty life.

>>283107477
This is why everybody is atheist now, because you aren't letting sexy nuns do all the service

>>283107566
>>283107596
That's how God made them. It's his plan or something ;)
Happy with that answer, christcuck?

Damn Id love to nut in a nun.

>>283101666 (OP)
>unironically glorifies, normalizes, and fetishizes homosexuality, pedophilia, and incest, the 3 biggest and most sexually depraved sins of the Bible that caused the downfall of Soddom and Gemorah
And you wonder why anime and manga seems to deliberately desecrate God’s name? Nothing seems to be sacred to those soulless perverted bug Asians.

>>283107664
back to replying to yourself? That's sad

>>283107386
You're essentially, literally asking to forbid and censor free expression of artists. They shouldn't be allowed to speak badly (of you). No, actually by your examples even portraying thing is bad. Magi portrayed thing in a fictional work...therefore's bad?
Secondly, the rules of drama expect conflict. At worst you get cheap revenge stories and killing and most people realize it's entertainment or even buy it because there's some spice to the story or shock value. You instead get angry it's not as safe as your sermons, you should just go back.
I don't believe you're a real person.

>>283107688
Typically when a thread is shit you're just supposed to disregard the subject matter and post tangentially related salacious images

>>283107699
You start to realize why Tamaki pisses off so many people in fire force. Too many religious faggots who get offended by sexualized nuns

I'm reading this manga because it finally ended after 20 years. The Land Goddess of the town gets a nun costume from a Yuro girl because it looked nice.
And she's right, it looks nice.

>>283107688
Where did I ask for this? All I did was say, "Look, anime and manga approach the sacred in this way. Do you have any explanations for why they're like this?"

When I used "should," I'm simply recommending a course of action that's morally better than another. I'm not saying people should be forbidden from committing this particular error.

I have no problem with this kind of portrayal, whether made for dramatic or ironic reasons, but many things aren't like that; they're done with a completely alienating and sometimes nefarious purpose.

>>283107760
>Do you have any explanations for why they're like this?"
God willed it so. You as a Christian tell me the reason.

>>283107566
>(apart from the fact that the most religiously committed in Japan are Christians, which already illustrates a difference in commitment).
No shit! The very nature of Christianity demands that you obsess and fear God and Jesus like a crazy person 24/7. Most Christians literally build their entire identity on their faith because to do otherwise risks getting a ticket to hell. Let's be real if you are so lost in the sauce of a religion no amount of respect would be adequate enough eitherway. It's never enough even on it's own soil hence why there are so many "Christian versions" of popular media.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aum_Shinrikyo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_subway_sarin_attack

>283107760
You were given more than enough reasons itt, you even know Anno did it cuz it looked cool. People having different values than your own. It goes on.

>>283101666 (OP)
It's simply not sacred to them and there's a freer attitude towards fiction with much less agenda driving over there despite the collective nature of their society. Your religion isn't any better than all the other ones out there so get over that main character syndrome you've got going - things are only sacred in your own head.

>>283103183
>I have seen over 3000 manga/anime/VNs
>The only time I've seen a church members being portrayed in neutral/positive light was in the fighting manga Holy Land
Pick one. You ain't read shit.

>>283101666 (OP)
Same reason the west does the exact same thing to eastern religions and symbols. It's not ours so it's interesting.

>>283101666 (OP)
Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mulieribus, et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ora pro nobis peccatoribus, nunc, et in hora mortis nostrae. Amen

>>283101666 (OP)
For an increase in faith

Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mulieribus, et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ora pro nobis peccatoribus, nunc, et in hora mortis nostrae. Amen

>>283101666 (OP)
For an increase in hope

Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mulieribus, et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ora pro nobis peccatoribus, nunc, et in hora mortis nostrae. Amen

>>283101666 (OP)
For an increase in charity

Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mulieribus, et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ora pro nobis peccatoribus, nunc, et in hora mortis nostrae. Amen

>>283108153
this invented language is similar to Italian and Spanish, very cool. Did you make it in high school?

>>283108178
>mulieribus
>peccatoribus
don't tell me you plurarize in latin adding a bus

>>283107933
No, I received a series of common sense statements of little explanatory value that seem to come from those who understand little about the cultural background of manga artists and those associated with the anime industry. Things like "they don't understand any of this," "they're expressions against the past conflict with Christianity," or "they just do it because it's cool."

Not even Anno used those elements just because it was cool; that's a statement from an animator that you're attributing to him (something that became popular in the EVA debate). Anno said he used them as he saw fit without regard for the opinions of Christians, not that it was just to be cool. In EVA, there's a lot that really only seems to have an aesthetic function, but there are others that have a causal chain in the relationship between religious elements, to the point where it's possible to say there's much more to it than just "this is cool" (especially since a good portion of Christians are influenced by some form of Christianity, Judaism, or Islam, even if they're not aware of it, even if it's through the influence of some crazy sect, like the influence of the Theosophical Society that infiltrated Buddhism in the 20th century).

The best explanations were to simply highlight the influence of cults or simply assume that the Japanese are truly depraved and that's why they do these kinds of things. But these are atrophied answers, and I've already raised them.

>>283101666 (OP)
1

>>283108201
I made it in AI Studio and my Computer Science teacher helped me

>>283101666 (OP)
2

>>283101666 (OP)
3

>>283108216
>>283107781

>>283101666 (OP)
In the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen.

>>283101666 (OP)
what a nice time of year

>>283101999
I mean Muslims will behead you if you piss them off. Salman Rushdie was stabbed in the face in front of hundreds of horrified people. Armed gunmen stormed the Charlie Hebdo offices and gunned down people.
I don't think there's been any mass shooting to avenge an insult to Christianity. Maybe that one cool dude that shot up the mosque, Brenton Tarrant?

>>283101666 (OP)
Don't care, it's cool

>>283101666 (OP)
I wonder if it will rain again tomorrow

>>283103183
>And that's it. It's the only one single fucking instance among ~3000 that I've seen where the church members aren't either a secretly mustache twirling le evil illuminati priest or a rape-bait nun.
The ignorance of Saint Tail will not be forgotten or forgiven!

>>283101666 (OP)
Trigun looks like a fun show

>>283101666 (OP)
never got used to the traffic in California

>>283108264
>>283107781
Permitting is not willing. God permits many things to promote the greater good, some of which happen and some of which don't. The question is: why did Japan create this state of affairs and not some other possible state, something that cannot be explained by God's permission (since it permits both the actual state and the counterfactuals)?

These provocations are much less intelligent than you think.

>>283101666 (OP)
still need to learn manual

>>283101666 (OP)
when is this site getting video with sound? it's old enough

>>283108319
It was made by a Christian., btw.

>>283108357
the one anime/manga series made by a christian and the MC is an annoying sniveling pussy btw

Didn't read lol
Religion is dumb and retarded

>>283108334
I don't have time or interest in debating your contradiction.
Have a sister

Shisuta?

>>283102770
Mariya is a good Christian girl

>>283101666 (OP)
>666
Hmmm

>>283108334
>The question is: why did Japan create this state of affairs and not some other possible state
They already had temples built and it was too much of a hassle to repurpose them, easier to just kill the christians. That's what my grandma told me. Trust me, I'm descendant of Ferreira

>monotheist religions
Boring as fuck, built on a lie and designed to control you and make you submit.
>multitheist religions
Rich and kino lore, colorful, also you can pic your favorite deity and argue 24/7 that your goddess waifu is better than your pal's goddess waifu. Also they're the religions that makes the most sense.

This is the truth, and you know it.

>>283101666 (OP)
This is bait, right? They do this with their own religions too.

>>283101666 (OP)
I don't think it's significantly worse compared to other countries

>>283101666 (OP)
>digits
Oh this was bait...

>>283108564

That's exactly the point: why do they approach all these elements with such carelessness and disdain?
Saying they do this to their own religions doesn't answer anything, it just illustrates my suspicion that they are professional desecraters.

>>283103547
>Marry in Christian churches and then do it in a Shinto temple afterwards, or the reverse, the order doesn't matter
>Pray for Shinto deities all day along and during comfy festivals
>Also follow Buddhist teachings and will do burials in Buddhist temples
>And basically will take-in any cool shit from other religions
Did Japanese just cracked the code? What causes this?

>>283101666 (OP)
worry about the Christians in Palestine before a few mean words from the Nips

>>283108598
have you tried asking a Japanese person?

>>283101666 (OP)
uuh have you seen an Exorcist film lately?

>>283101666 (OP)
I don't watch my dress up darling to understans this reference

are you sure you didn't mean to use a chainsaw man pic for this one

>>283101666 (OP)
How many tries did it take you to get that number anon?

>>283101666 (OP)
How did you feel about Hellsing?

>>283105820
>tasty bush on nun
EXACTLY how it should be

>>283108614
I've asked some Japanese people. They either simply say the Japanese are a godless people, or they claim to believe that any modern society without many taboos surrounding blasphemy will adopt this kind of approach to artistic expression to some significant degree.

>>283108624
I've covered this before:
>>283105969

>>283108687
But they're wrong because they're subhumans right?

>>283108648
I didn't read that crap and I wanted a softer image.

>>283108655
Just once. It was an ironic coincidence.

>>283108304
And Christians and Jews will invade, rape and bomb your country if you piss them off. Islam is unironically a religion of peace compared to the orgy of violence that is Burgerism.

>>283101666 (OP)
Here >>283102217, you just answered your own question
>just because a Japanese person thinks it's cool.

>>283103393
Considering what Christians did to pretty much all of Japans neighbors cracking down as hard on christfags as they did was 100% the right call. There's a reason why they were never colonized.

>>283101666 (OP)
Hey now, Bandai specifically makes sure to censor its hot nun Digimon in the west. That's something, surely?

>>283101666 (OP)
Be the change you want to see in the world anon

>>283103183
Fucking Samurai Champloo, normal fag anime shit, has a fairly neutral, even sympathetic, portrayal of Japanese Christians as part of the central plot of one of its major MCs.

Also just go read fucking Silence, you uncultured piece of shit.

>>283108759
There I was talking about the inversion of the image of nuns alone. I've already said why I think this "they just think it's cool" response is a stupid and uninformative answer to deal with much of this phenomenon.

Is there anyone in the world whinier than christcucks?

>>283101666 (OP)
When is the last time you consumed some Japanese animanga on shintoism?

>>283108793
Not reading that book, sorry.
Movie is nice though

>>283101666 (OP)
You could easily say this about most things in anime

>>283108808
It's really not tho

>>283101666 (OP)
You're going to church on Sunday right anon?

>>283108714
No, they're wrong because they're failing to provide a convincing perspective. I'd feel the same way if it came from a Westerner.

Normal artist:
>I want to draw a hot nun because it makes my dick hard
op:
>they fucking hate my religion wtf is wrong with them?

>>283108675
It's just symbolic Satanism (which I consider well-done). It's more conscious and fair, as it understands that its portrayal is a symbolic inversion of the real elements, that it's a narrative with a counterfactual far removed from reality.

>>283108841
Let's do something. Tell me the answer you seek and I will copy and paste it to see if you are satisfied and stop spamming your shit treads, fucking faggot

>>283108304
You're either baiting or way too ignorant
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
>

>>283108860
Be clever and say something a lazy, masturbating teenager wouldn't think of in less than a minute.

God isn't real.

>>283108935
Nah, not biting tonight. Good night, faggot

>>283108812
How is this relevant? I've already said that I recognize that there are sometimes good uses of sacred elements, including Western ones (especially Christian ones).

>>283108839
Whenever I can, and you should do the same. But that's not what we're talking about here.

Do you guys have a favorite Christian or Christian-inspired character in anime?

>>283109002
>Whenever I can, and you should do the same
No reason to

>>283101666 (OP)
Anime was better when it was in the hands of Christian localizers compared to the Wokelizers of today. Just take a look the old Sailor Moon and Cardcaptors dubs and compare them to current year dubs, they barely censored the source material and only IMPROVED on it by deleting the homofaggotry.

>>283109007
I think Dr. Tenma from Monster. Of course, he's not Christian, but he's the one who embodies Christian holiness in the narrative, in opposition to the antichrist, which is Johan.

I think Urasawa did a good job of portraying a character who is an agent of the Christian logos.

>>283101666 (OP)
Do you live in the US?

>>283109120
No.

>>283101666 (OP)
OP are younin the thread with us?

>>283101666 (OP)
>christfag larper
Grow up

>>283108793
The exception proves the rule.

shut up and post more irreverent nuns

>>283109732
You even know what the means? It's mean "test" genius. The fact that there is an exception, in this case multiple exceptions, should cause you to question what the rule really is.

In this case it's that as country with both a contentious relationship with Christianity and not a lot of them to begin with, most of the portrayal of Christianity in Japanese media is filtered through obvious biases and mainstream appeal. It's a strange religion by Japanese standards, and more notable to most for the peculiar aesthetic, both visual and cultural, feeling it has to Japanese viewer. Few care to interrogate it seriously.

Notably, it's not as if Japan's own religious orthodoxies fare much better. Despite having their own brand of highly superstitious and pagan religious beliefs, Japan shows little of the "reverence" that one might expect in the portrayal of these religious history or practices. They're mere facts of life. The practicalities of their beliefs matter more. Practice, rather than abstract spirituality or reverence, matters more, and so there's little tears spilled for when a miko is sex object or their historical gods are treated as a joke or a child's toy. One can easily see how they'd extend this treatment to other religions. If they're not exactly squeamish with the things they actually think are true, why would they be with some dumb foreigner's goofy ass beliefs?

>>283109845
I get anons don't want to talk about that movie because they found it boring or "woke" or whatever but I really liked the artstyle and character designs for this.

>>283108312
>43 episodes
Is it worth a try? Reiwa is cancer but at least nowadays you know you're not in for the long haul when you decide to watch a random series

>>283109975
apparently it was rewritten several times, which is why it seems mostly nonsensical and boring. I also think it looks nice but the story sucks ass, and 20 whole minutes dedicated to playing some mediocre christian rock just blows

>I will kill, steal, lie and ruin the lives of whoever don't believe in the same superior being as me
>why don't people respect my religion!?

>>283103183
no u have not fucking consumed 3k media quit trying to seem informed on the topic retard

>>283101666 (OP)
because you are racist

redditors gave atheism such a bad name that contrarians are now posting shit like this

>>283101666 (OP)
catholic girls school means lesbians, nuns either means secret society of demon fighters or literally the mafia
sorry i dont make the rules

Christianity is their islam. The dumb, aggressive, and foreign faith of weird looking people from far away lands who want nothing more than to obliterate your society and way of life.

>>283110334
4chan just has a lot of habitual contrarians by nature
Half are 'sincere', half are trolling

>>283110334
>redditors gave atheism such a bad name
in reality, this place fell for the psyop and got convinced that the puritans were the good guys all along

>>283110456
I didn't know all Christians around the world were so obsessed with obliterating Japan and the Japanese
Where does it say this in the Bible?

>>283110334
>>283110560
Personally, I despise the Puritans. They are as much agents of the anti-logos as the Japanese.

My complaints have nothing to do with their scrupulous attitude (and scruples are a matter of conscience), just as the Japanese attitude has nothing to do with Redditors. Christians already valued a good approach to the sacred, and the Japanese were already profaning it long before Reddit existed.

These are limitations of their cultural references. Any decent religious person requires some adequate approach to the sacred.

>>283111047
if your level of english isnt very high you should stop trying to use complex words as it just highlights your poor grasp of the language

>>283110560
Christians in the US are literally trying to ban porn, but no the left is the problem lol.

>>283111098
I didn’t use any complex words. The text just isn’t as fluent as it could be.

>>283111180
they are definitely above your level of english fluency, no shame in being ESL just dont whip out the thesaurus and blindly pick words

>>283111204
There aren’t better words to express what I meant. They’re correct, and the semantics are clear. The issue lies in the flow. But that’s fine, keep fighting over the crumbs.

>>283111279
actually i have no idea what youre even trying to say it's just word salad tangentially related to the posts you replied to

>>283101666 (OP)
They have a more recent translation, so the few who care have a clearer picture of it than you.

>>283105635
>"Oh no a cross! No one in the west will want to watch this series now!"
I don't understand this mindset. Crucifixion was a means of executions before Christ was born.
Jesus dying on the cross only has meaning because it was the lowest of the low methods of execution reserved for slaves and traitors.
Why shouldn't it be portrayed in stories?

That said, Spartacus anime when?

>>283110456
They also confuse Christianity with Judaism and with Islam.
For them, all three are the same; which is ridiculous.
Christianity is continuing the faith of the ancient Hebrew people, Judaism is born out of rejection of Christianity and worships Jewish identity and the rabbis, and Islam is literally (look up what "muslim" actually means) submitting to a devil who demands blood sacrifice in the form of ritual killings of unbelievers and permits you to give in to lust.

>>283110621
Where in the bible is the "pretending to be retarded" part that you're enacting

>>283110560
>wants to ban and censor any woke homofaggotry that seeks to subvert society
>the puritans were the good guys all along
That’s right, they are.

>>283101666 (OP)
Slutty nuns are the best thing Japan invented. Almost redeems christianity.

>>283113521
>t. will eat his own shit to make the homo wokes mad

>>283113573
I don't think they're even the ones who invented sexy nuns, they just decided to run with it the furthest.

>>283113898
Don’t pretend like dubs done by religious conservatives back in the old day that only censored the homoshit and nothing else weren’t 100% superior to today’s dubs with them troonifying everything up.

>>283110560
It's not even "this place" that was convinced but rather all the tourists who were kicked off normal social media for being zealots and nazis came to 4chan. That's how you end up with a thread like this where some pedophile christian is promoting his cult on /a/.

>>283114186
>only censored the homoshit and nothing else
what are you talking about? It censored anything remotely occult or Japanese.
Of course it's better than wokeshit but that's not a high bar. They're not that different in the end, it's all about controlling what can or can't be shown.

>>283113993
Right, perfected, not invented.

>>283101666 (OP)
Japanese are literally heathens, what else would you expect from them?

>>283101666 (OP)
Culture distancing is still pretty big, most of the shit we see on the internet regarding opinions and views are exaggerations or propaganda to lure tourist, that's why I try to shut my whore mouth when talking about other cultures. Of course the author might choose to dig deeper into academic works but then again for something like, let's say Index/Railgun, it really isn't worth it.

>>283101666 (OP)
You need to get over yourself OP
you will hardly find any piece of media in the west which is free from treating religion poorly, and the Japanese can do an okay job with it when they want to.
If you look at how they even treat more native religions like Shinto and Buddhism its hardly any more reverential
As for Sono Bisque Doll's "Coffin" game, it's running off of the "Gothic" Romantic genre, which frequently featured elements from what was considered "pre-enlightenment" religious cultural to help an wonder and fascination to the genre-- religious orders like western monks, nuns are often in the horror genre because of this, as are depictions of what are essentially the Catholic perception of demons, and none of this is especially profane.
>>283103523
Keep reading bro it bears fruit later

>>283109007
Fran from Franken Fran

>>283115270
>Japanese are literally heathens
Explains all the pedo and incest shit they insert into their media so casually and shamelessly, literally a modern day Soddom and Gemorrah.

>>283101666 (OP)
Because religion isn't real and you've been lied to your entire life.
BTW, here's a farting nun:

>>283116602
Mark 14:51-52
Jesus was arrested in a public park at 4am with a naked boy, who he called a cup in 14:36 denoting his use in pederast drug ritual as Ganymede was used by Zeus, Hyacinth by Apollo, and Hylas by Heracles. Matthew 19:12 contains the instruction for making the eunuch-boy-cups as the highest honor for entering the kingdom. We see the ritual play out again with Lazarus, a boy who falls in love with Jesus at the moment of his revival from a near-death state induced by drugs. The original Greek makes it clear this is lusty love, not platonic love. It's the same sort of practice as the agape feasts practiced by the early christians which drew condemnation from the Romans because their drug and sex orgies even went as far as incest (whereas the Roman drug and sex orgies kept families apart).
Jesus the Christed was a pederast shaman with an arsenal of drugs who kidnapped boys to turn into eunuch prostitutes and teach to be fishers of men, that "vocation" is the core priesthood of Judeo-Christianity beginning with Heracles himself.