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Unpopular opinion: Attack on Titan peaked when we didn’t know what the hell was going on. The second they started explaining things, it went from “existential horror masterpiece” to “military-industrial soap opera with abs.” Yeah, the animation slaps and the music could raise the dead, but the story? It’s like Game of Thrones with more genocide and less subtlety.
Eren went from traumatized kid to fascist philosopher faster than 4chan can argue about moral gray areas. People keep saying it’s “deep political commentary,” but bro, half of it reads like a freshman’s political science essay after discovering Nietzsche and caffeine. The final season tried to be profound and it just ended up confused and self-righteous.
And don’t get me started on the ending. It was like the writers realized too late that genocide doesn’t test well with audiences, so they slapped on an emotional montage and called it closure. Mikasa deserved therapy, Armin deserved better, and Eren deserved a podcast, not a martyr arc.

TL;DR: Attack on Titan is a visual masterpiece wrapped around a story that thinks it’s smarter than it is. Still top-tier entertainment, but calling it “the best anime ever made” is like calling a war crime “morally complex.”

>>283228785 (OP)
This is a popular opinion

>>283228785 (OP)
I went into the first season blind. I don't know why, but the whole time all I was thinking is that they were going to find a way to turn this into Eva. I may be retarded but this time I was right. As soon as they started turning into titans the interesting premise was out the window and it became just more shounen trash.

>>283228785 (OP)
I liked Marley and all that but right as Eren started the rumbling is when it turned to shit.

i don't understand this, marley/liberio declaration is literally the best arc by far. it all went downhill when the grisha retcon happened, that's what started the "eren planned everything" determinism bullshit

>>283228785 (OP)
>>283229299
It went shit when Eren became a ponytail schizo retard

>>283228785 (OP)
The basement reveal was as good as it could have been. It never could have lived up to all of the years of hype leading up to it, but it was still good. Marley was kino. It's only the second after the Rumbling begins that it all went to shit.

>>283229299
>>283230072
The rumbling and Eren's time travel shenanigans were fine. The very instant it goes to shit is the AVENGERS ASSEMBLE page where Isayama commits to the dumb happy ending instead of locking in with the original grimderp genocide ending. The genocide would at least have been original and cemented AoT as a classic.

>>283230268
i agree that it could've been salvaged if it had just ended at the rumbling page, but eren going back in time (??) and forcing his father to kill the reiss family doesn't sit right with me because it starts to get into the determinism 'eren is a psychopath and wanted this to happen all along' theory. also it twists grisha and eren's relationship, because just after grisha paints eren as a villain and tells zeke to stop him no matter what. this is really incongruent with the reading that eren is a hero and protagonist

>>283229299
The only problem with the Marley storyline is when they started to make more sense than the Paradisians. Seriously, one country vs. everyone else on Earth? Of course they want to protect themselves.

>>283228785 (OP)
>mfw we went past "everyone is titanz" and everyone is inexplicably still watching this
>mfw they actually read/watched all the way to the end

>Still top-tier entertainment
nah. i would have dropped it in season 2 if my fanboy friend didn't beg me. ended up dropping it for good in the middle of season 4.

>>283229299
>i don't understand this
It should be pretty obvious. It started as a kind of horror/mystery/action series where people struggle to kill and protect themselves from weird monsters and get to the outside world, and some turn into monsters to do cool MMA stuff. Then it becomes a political drama where monsters are war machines and there's no mystery. Obviously not everyone who's into the first is also gonna be onboard with the latter. Completely changing your manga's genre and vibe should alienate most of your fanbase, OP's opinion should be common.

>>283228785 (OP)
AI post

>>283230974
>two paragraphs of text=AI
What caused the internet to be filled with illiterates?

>>283230072
Maybe instead of doing the basement reveal just keep it a mystery even after the story ends. Keep the audience guessing, you know. It worked with Evangelion lmao.
You want to make it even more controversial? Have the secret be destroyed right before it was about to be revealed. Keep the audience guessing.

>>283230863
It's not that common of an opinion though. Everyone here keeps screeching muh Marley arc good when that is the source of all the narrative's problems. The shitty ending we got came as a result of that.

>>283230974
>>283231118
Can people seriously not detect slop?

>>283231270
>that is the source of all the narrative's problems.
if you think anything beyond humans vs titans was a "mistake" then you don't care about the "narrative" because that stopped being the main conflict 7 episodes in. the prototype of the story was about a titan shifter, it was never muh walking dead humans vs zombies crap the 2013 audience who didn't bother watching past the first few episodes projected onto it

I don't mind at all that Eren gets stopped by his friends, actually. The whole point of the story is that killing people for their ancestors' sins is wrong, so I get why that's the ending. But the final battle is still shit.
Where the story falls apart completely is the time travel and predestination stuff. Dump all of it and the story significantly improves. Eren edgelording to get his friends to kill him wouldn't be nearly as good as him actually believing he's in the right. It pulls the teeth from the ending when it turns out Eren wants his friends to stop him, and that everything was predetermined by him. Find some other way to end the Titans instead of "Mikasa kills Eren and cures Ymir of oneitis", which is the stupidest thing ever.

>>283231342
How can you tell

>>283231720
correct
that's why the liberio arc is so good, it still has all those conflicts - eren with conviction to save paradis, the survey corps being pissed at him, plus great new characters - before the time travel/lelouch retcon bullshit

>giant humans eating humanity during the dark ages
It was literal kino.

>>283230863
>Then it becomes a political drama
>becomes
It was always a political drama. Erwin and Levi scheme to have the court grant them custody of Eren in the first arc after the prologue. The entire first expedition beyond the wall was a ruse to suss out a traitor. The Historia arc and ensuing coup d'etat are just half way through the series. Most of the arcs are motivated by interhuman politics and not by muh inconceivable man-eating horrors.

>>283232188
Also world should have been destroyed. Just make them find some lab where they experimented with humans centuries ago and shit went wrong when they just made zombies but GIANT
It's so underused

>>283228785 (OP)
i have never watched an episode of this and after hearing how most people were dissatisfied with the ending i'm morbidly curious enough to try it now

Beruanus spic btfo

>>283228785 (OP)
>Eren went from traumatized kid
He never was

>>283230770
Friend also begged me

Went to shit early on for me during that royal bloodline arc in 2nd season. It was already dabbling in 'humans are the real monsters" territory

Humans are the real monsters trope has been so overused that the moment I see any media containing zombie(like) apocalypses that is the first thing I am going to guess.
Why can't we just go back to simpler times?

>>283231851
It's just pattern recognition, in small and in large. Not x but y. Like x but/with y. x to y. Too much analogy and adjectivization. a, b, c. The rhythm is so constant. The overall structure of the exposition is endemic to AI writing if you pay attention.
All of it can be seen in human writing. When seen in concert, is a blaring signal.

>>283234240
Passably convincing "I am very smart" statement until
>When seen in concert, is a blaring signal.
Which is a dead giveaway that one can only sound smart for so long before faceplanting into word salad.

>>283234302
Nothing to do with being very smart, just about reading enough llm text. Is the omission of 'it' really your criterion for identifying retardation, or did you just yourself want to seem very smart?

The ending of AoT is just the ending of Code Geass but somehow even more stupid.

>falling in love with your rapist is good, actually

Unpopular opinion
>You like manga made for 10yrs and then get upset when they are in fact for 10yrs
Grow up

>>283231118
>>283231851
stuff like this:
>Eren went from traumatized kid to fascist philosopher faster than 4chan can argue about moral gray areas.
propably comes from a prompt like "write a 4chan post about..." which is why it feels the need to reference 4chan in the text. Also the TLDR is very typical for AI. Interact a little bit with chatgpt and it's pretty easy to sniff it out, especially when there is 0% effort put into hiding it

>the abnormal titans were ones that Ymir/future Eren were controlling from the paths universe for their 2,000 year master plan
So how did this one talking to a random soldier before eating her fit into it?

>>283234650
Because is a retarded Retcon.
Either isayama truly went full retard, had a change of heart or his publisher overlords forced him doing so….

There is no need to discuss what is a blatant retcon pulled from his ass

For me, sex with Lynne