Thread 283378255

I never got the flack that 60s anime gets, it looks visually stunning despite it's few frames, especially compared to the Hanna-Barbera crap kids in the West were stuck with

>>283378255 (OP)
Those were my exact thoughts back in '66 seeing Kimba and Marine Boy after years of Yogi Bear and Top Cat

>>283378255 (OP)
Both 60s anime and cartoons were shit. TV animation would not be good until the mid-late 70s

>>283378255 (OP)
Not enough cube debris

>>283378255 (OP)
It doesn't receive flack because it's just not talked about period. Even w/apchan, that den of poseurs, doesn't discuss anime older than Gundam despite being a space for retro anime.
Most I've seen in the English anime scene are a few bloggers with an interest in Tatsunoko et al.

Some 60s anime can look kinda ass, but yes even back then you can see where the divergent point between Hanna-Barbera's TV animation and the anime industry as a whole led to a gulf the west could eventually never reconcile.

>>283378255 (OP)
Animefags coping again. Hanna-Barbera mogged Japanese animation. Western 2d animation peaked with Disney and anime has never ever come close to Disney's peak. Seethe and cope.

>>283378668
>>283378255 (OP)
it's spelled "flak" you retards

>>283378844
Cinematography > frames per second
As a lover of Disney, their output peaked in the '30s and '40s and then stopped trying to make good cinema with actual direction.
When Pinocchio came out it was called the best movie ever made at the time because it pioneered cinema techniques; what came after those 15 years of development?
Stagnation and, after Fantasia and Sleeping Beauty flooped, Disney became only focused on marketing merchandise towards kids.
Meanwhile the rest of the animation world, and Japan in our case, kept trying and developed new schools of animation and the idea that "good animation is full 24 fps with limited storyboard liberty and fixed layouts" became obsolete by the '60s, only being propagated in the USA by Disney itself to keep their image as the best around.
In '60s and '70s anime you had mainstream series that used all kinds of bold directing choices, meanwhile Disney was inventing xerox to cheap out and just kept revisiting stuff in the same style that became old 30 years before.
People that say "only the Disney style is good animation" want animation to decay

>>283378255 (OP)
Classic bugs bunny was better in animation and content.

>>283378255 (OP)
Old western cartoons have more fluid motion than the most anime today with their slideshows

>>283379218
>stagnation
Fantasia, Alice in Wonderland and Bambi were all great. Disney only started to stagnant after WW2 which was also when theatrical shorts started to decline due to the rise of TV.

>>283379579
>Fantasia, Alice in Wonderland and Bambi were all great. Disney only started to stagnant after WW2
Yes, which is exactly what I've written, anon.

>>283379218
>their output peaked in the '30s and '40s and then stopped trying to make good cinema with actual direction.
So, you are implying that Lion King, Aladdin, Tarzan, Treasure Island are not "good cinema". C'mon be real. Even other studios with shows like bugs bunny, Tom and jerry and other classics did a lot more than Japan when it came to content and animation styles.
Japan was handed the 2d animation industry on a silver platter and they failed match western-peak.(Modern anime with their slideshows and stiffness is a great example). The closest they came to it was "Redline" anime.

>>283379218
I think this is why I love Osamu Dezaki anime. Low number of frames, but the aesthetics and general direction is beyond words, so his works still look amazing.

The Disney Renaissance might be the single most overrated collection of animated movies of all time. They’re carried entirely by top-tier musical numbers and millennial nostalgia, but they’re mediocre outside of that. The Little Mermaid did incalculable damage to western animation, even if it didn’t intend to.

>>283379218
I thought Snow White was the one that was hailed as the "peak" or turning point during the Golden Age.

>>283379731
Snow White was pretty basic in most aspects. It was a turning point because it was the first.
Fantasia, Bambi and Pinocchio are all amazing. Dumbo is the odd one out.

>>283379703
>Lion King, Aladdin, Tarzan, Treasure Island are not "good cinema"
Anon those came after 50 years of stagnation. They stopped trying for half a century.
>slideshows and stiffness
Again, the Classic Disney school is a choice, not the only Golden Standard, this has been common understanding around the world since the '50s and '60s, it's a choice not a limitation: trying to ape a style from the turn de siecle is a limitation
>The closest they came to it was "Redline" anime
No, the closest was in the '50s when Toei kept making full movies in the Disney school sryle, not a movie whose animation technique and cinematography has zero connections to how the Disney school operates

>>283379706
>The Disney Renaissance might be the single most overrated collection of animated movies of all time.
Totally agreed, and there is proof in the pre-renaissance movies like Black Cauldron or Oliver and Company not being significantly different from them but were big flops. It was the CAPS system that allowed them to use CGI in the films that changed things around for them (developed by Apple, would become Pixar). I do understand why the renaissance was well received and its certainly not all bad but it is not anywhere near the heights of Walt Disney himself.

>>283379731
Snow White was technologically revolutionary in a lot of ways, the peaks were Pinocchio (many at the time, including Ėjzenštejn, called it the best movie ever made), Bambi (the most influential Disney movie ever for basically every animator that came after for 50 years) and Fantasia (the most ambitous project in animation history for most of the 20th Century)

>>283378668
Even anons that bitch about how much better anime was in the past have their limits on how far they're willing to go back. But it's still old anime, so they don't bitch about it like they do digital animation.

>>283378844
Hanna-Barbera fell off a cliff after Scooby Doo.

>>283379792
>I do understand why the renaissance was well received

The Renaissance movies appealed to theatre kids by basically being animated broadway musicals. Without musical numbers, Disney would have died long ago. Howard Ashman and Tim Rice carried them HARD. Kingdom Hearts probably helped those movies stay in the collective consciousness for slightly longer too.

>>283379792
But Ariel was still hand colored while Rescuers Down Under actively gets excluded from the Renaissance.

>>283379914
Oliver was a musical and utterly failed.

>>283379706
I see the renaissance films as suped up versions of golden age disney films. Better animation and production values using classic disnet style story telling but as a result there was nothing innovative about those films, nothing they did actually pushed western animation forward. Fucking toy story alone was more groundbreaking than every single 90s disney movie. And the renaissance films were perfectly good for their time as you said but the problem is that disney is still doing the same old stuff today, more musicals about princesses. As if there is no other story telling method.

People compare ghibli to disney but the former is actually capable of making highly varied settings, plots, and characters while staying true to traditional animation.

>>283380060
People tend to ignore or hate The Cat Returns, which is Ghibli's most Disneyesque film

>>283380108
Most people tend to reduce Ghibli to Miyazaki and at best hand pick a few Takahata movies in addition.

>>283379792
The Black Cauldron not being a success was Disney's own damn fault. They waited so damn long to actually start on the damn thing that Miller was already gone and so was the intent at making it a movie for teenagers. Though that said, it's not nearly as bad as its reputation would have people believe.

Also, Oliver & Company actually did pretty well financially. It just wasn't a big hit with critics. Ironically, Ebert actually liked The Black Cauldron way more.

>>283380171
>Ebert
For someone who defended animation as a legit artform and praised a lot of animated movies he never tried to study anmation theory nor ever went beyond a very superficial view of animation
His takes on animated movies are very strange

>>283380060
>nothing they did actually pushed western animation forward
At the time of Mulan's release, I remember people making a big deal out of the scene where the Huns charge down the mountainside in the literal thousands. iirc, the software used was created specific for that purpose.

>>283380236
I will never understand why the fuck he liked Ponyo over Howl's Moving Castle.

>>283379218
>>283379703
>>283379792
Prince of Egypt is the pinnacle of western animation. Not Disney.

>>283381256
For me, it's the Secret of Nimh.

>>283378255 (OP)
>>283379218
>it looks visually stunning despite it's few frames
> mainstream series that used all kinds of bold directing choices
This is how I feel about 80s anime. Anime like Macross, or Fist of the North Star.
It's very rough around the edges with limited animation but it has bold direction.
But this is not how I feel about 60s-70s anime with a few exceptions like Versailles or Joe, I find most of it unwatchable.

>>283378844
>>283379420
>Hanna-Barbera mogged Japanese animation
>Muh fluidity
These defenses fall apart when you realize that almost every 60s American television cartoon was framed like Family Guy

>>283378844
>>283381479
Soviet animation mogged both Japan and the west. Based communists showed the world how it's done.

>>283381711
Soviet animation didn’t have the Disneyfag virus infecting them so they were able to turn out hits.

>>283381337
I've seen you post this same exact opinion a couple of times, and it's pretty clear you're just more lenient on 80s shows even if they've got the same shortcomings.

>>283381809
I am not that anon. Yeah, I prefer 80s shows, maybe it's the color, don't know. For me pre-80s anime is unwatchable with a few exceptions.

>>283381256
Wrong, that would be Don Bluth.
>>283381274
You get it.

>>283381852
Thoughts on Anastasia?

>>283381851
Yeah, I get it, there's not enough otaku bullshit in them.

>>283379819
Snow White > Bambi > Fantasia > Pinocchio > Dumbo > Anything from the silver age

>>283382244
Cinderella and Peter Pan are my favorite Disney movies.

Fight da! Pyuta is fun, but it looks like ass most of the time

>>283379731
Snow White is the best because it's an ideal waifu film, full of eros, and being the first it feels like they were particularly passionate. The others certainly look great, but Pinocchio is more of a boring preachy kid's film, Fantasia is kind of just a bunch of shorts presented in a pretentious way, and Bambi is cute but the anthropomorphism is awkward at times.

>>283378255 (OP)
There's not enough great 60s TV anime fully translated. Attack No. 1, Dororo and Sanshiro are awesome, but it's not enough. Instead of Speed Racer, Sasuke and Bem, I wish we got stuff like Kyojin no Hoshi, Sabu to Ichi, Kamui Gaiden and the like.
In general I do think 60s TV visuals are pretty fun, while some later stuff like 80s Astro Boy looks really polished (most of the time) but boring. More than that, however, I think that one failed at Tezuka's original point of story over looks. Similarly, when it comes to 60s shows, as nice their visuals are, I'm not sure how many have interesting drama like Attack No. 1 and Dororo, or Sanshiro's wild creativity, and when they don't they kind of get crushed by 70s anime. Not to mention the best 60s Toei films.

>>283382379
>Sabu to Ichi
I'm still waiting for the last 20 episodes to be subbed...

>>283382244
On the topic of effects, the whale scene at the end of Pinocchio is probably Disney's most impressive depiction of water effects of all time. The amount of detail is staggering.

I'll never forgive ARR for ruining so many old anime

>>283379385
>Classic bugs bunny
It was fucking trash and every action was punctuated by incidental music stabs that told you what to feel and think, i always hated that shit. Anime in that sense let you make up your mind about what you were watching, it was respectful to the viewer.

>>283382519
faggot

>>283382550
Lol, i was a smart kid and wasnt having none of that ameritrash

>>283378844
>Hanna-Barbera mogged
they were quite literally the cheap slop of their day

>>283378844
I distinctly remeber being depressed by hanna-barberas cartoons. The ugly color palette, the shitty char design, the shows that werent flintstones or fucking yogi bear were even uglier and felt so cheap and done in an afternoon. Everything looked poor, as in, unstimulating, so basic and mediocre

>>283382379
>Instead of Speed Racer, Sasuke and Bem, I wish we got stuff like Kyojin no Hoshi, Sabu to Ichi, Kamui Gaiden and the like.

I'm still waiting on Tiger Mask subs, but I'm not gonna go and complain when a 60s show gets full subs.

Though I will complain about Ninpu Kamui Gaiden getting unceremoniously dumped onto Tubi and not even putting up the full series.

Osamu Dezaki said Snow White was his favorite film

>>283382599
they had a golden age in the 40s and 50s before they became the cheap animators

>>283382892
Hanna-Barbera as a company didn't even exist until 1957. William Hanna and Joseph Barbera were working at MGM's animation studio before that.

>>283382244
I can't bring myself to dislike Sleeping Beauty.

>>283382848
>Tiger Mask
Isn't it two 100something episodes series?

>>283383222
Yeah, and Kyojin no Hoshi is even longer.

>>283383281
Yeah good luck waiting.
It's not even the translation, typesetting and syncing hundreds of episodes is a nightmare

>>283382952
my mistake. I was thinking of the stuff they made working at MGM

>>283382442
Is Nanto even still alive?

>>283383088
SB might be one of the most gorgeous movies ever, but it pure fluff. I've watched it dozens of times and beyond being amazed by the visuals there's no meat there to bite, and a lot of scenes are just there for eye candy.
It's the opposite of Cinderella, that I find quite lackluster visually but has probably the best Disney Pricess, narrative-wise, and has a really tight script that flows perfectly.

>>283379982
>Oliver was a musical and utterly failed.
Oliver was fucking boring, the movie had no spark at all

>>283382379
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YVy8FGl3Pk

>>283383765
I have no clue, I can't even find Sabu to Ichi subbed on nyaa

>>283378255 (OP)
Is there any 60s anime that's actually well written?

>>283383913
It's on there, but they use "Sabu and Ichi's Detective Tales" rather than the Japanese title.

>>283383968
huh, weird

>>283383765
it's been a year and a half since their last upload...

>>283383866
Admittedly I don't really like Aurora all that much, but I love the three fairies and Maleficent.

>>283381089
As someone who likes Ponyo and dislikes Howl:
Howl is very directionless, with a very passive protagonist whose main goal becomes less and less the focus of the active drama, and that being "war is bad" is muddled by the wandering script and, fraknly, unappealing storyboards that seem more preoccupied with showing random setpieces of the ciry, the contryside or the castle instead of guiding the viewer along with the resolution; also, for being the namesake of the movie the Castle lacks identity and weight, in the sense that I can't really picture myself wandering it, they failed in giving it a physical structure than would make walking around it believable, and so its presence and importance is diminished.
Ponyo is a simple take on The Little Mermaid but is much more focused (even if the old grannies subplot could have used some refinement) with a much better pace and, most importantly, they made a perfect job contextualizing the physical nature of the journey: the way they showed the MC's mom driving uphill was so amazingly well crafted that I can close my wyes and see myself drive up and down rhose roads, meaning the voyage our protagonist have is much more felt because we can inhabit in our mind that space

>>283381337
Fist of the North Star has some great framing choices (though much of that comes from the manga) and flow/scene editing even though they frequently jump from animation team A to the B team, and there are all sorts of errors that just wouldn't be made today. It's not old good new bad, but that even where old is crummy looking on its surface *some* of the things it did are better. Lots of things like that.

>>283378255 (OP)
>>283382123
I think this is it. In some sense, although 60s anime looks different from American cartoons, it's still diverging stylistically from them, so that by the late 70s and 80s it looks *even more* different. It sound paradoxical, but you could say that anime got more anime by the 80s which then set the stage for the Japanimation boom once it had diverged enough stylistically while reaching a high quality due to the Japanese boom economy. It then seemed both good but also very exotic, whereas something like Speed Racer was already less divergent (still, but as much).

>>283384127
I have one thought when it comes to art: I would rather something that tries and fails than something boring.
There are a lot of scenes in HnK (and many older shows) that are, simply put, non-standard.
Most of those are ridiculous and not very effective at conveying what they were going for; but once in a while, there's a scene whose uniqueness just works and becomes ingrained in your mind because nothing else is like it.

>>283384204
I think you got it backward.
It's not like anime started animesque and got more different from Western cartoons in the '80s, it's that 90% of the trends, visual tropes and styles that we associate nowadays with anime started appearing in the '80s and a lot (not all) of the industry kept going for the safe option of what worked before.
I'll say this: an anime from 1985 is more similar to an anime from 2025 than one from 1975, because a lot of stuff common in 2025 were common in 1985, while the '70s was still a wild frontier of weird shit where every anime could go in any random way

>>283384100
You know what? That's fair.

>>283384127
>flow/scene editing even though they frequently jump from animation team A to the B team
What do you mean? I didn't notice anything like this while watching the show. I did notice the good framing, though said framing was bit ruined when they started reusing it as stock footage.

>>283381711
I like that film, but I don't understand how people seem to assess it as a type of checkmate that destroyed Disney. When in actuality this film is very, very heavily based on what Snow White and Pinocchio had already accomplished... 20 years earlier. To me, it feels like discussions of this nature are fuelled by some bizarre thoughts of nationalism and the cold war from decades, rather than actually looking at the films.

>>283378255 (OP)
You realize, of course, that it's very hard to be a fan of stuff that old, WHEN IT VERY RARELY GETS FANSUBBED! You posted some Eight man but I bet dollars to donuts your ass only knows The Eighth Man.

>>283378628
What are you doing here gramps?

>>283384633
I mean that you can very clearly see the difference between how characters are depicted in different episodes. This goes on in any anime, but clearly some teams had more trouble capturing Tetsuo Hara's style than others.

>>283384244
>There are a lot of scenes in HnK (and many older shows) that are, simply put, non-standard.
I even like where they just try cheap things like burning paper or flexing the animation cel, and because there's inconsistency in who was working on it over its run, the aura effects and other things vary enough that you can say "that's my favorite". I think the battle aura effects are extremely expressive. Dragonball is more known for them, but it's also more consistent and restrained in how it depicts the effect. In HNK, in one episode it will be like weird tendrils rising up, and then in another, it's these rainbow colored beams and so on. It really makes "ki" feel like a powerful chaotic force.

>>283385259
Yeah, those examples is what I'm talking about. If one hundred animators shoot in the dark and try the wackiest ideas that come to their mind one is sure to hit.

>>283383962
They didn't give Rintaro much of a budget to work with, but I still find the stories in Sabu and Ichi pretty engaging. I am a sucker for jidaigeki and episodic crime dramas though.

>>283383962
Attack no. 1, Anju to Zushioumaru

I have Hustle Punch on DVD. I can't understand the language, but I like it.

>>283386024
Hustle Punch reminds me a lot of Top Cat, though it's got a lot more energy in it's animation. Yasuji Mori is severely underrated imo.

>>283385961
Wait what does the Kojiki have to do with volleyball

>>283387048
Yamato damashii

>>283384884
The 8 Man dub honestly wasn't that bad, the only stuff that really got cut out was scenes with Japanese doors or newspapers. I'd take it over Funimation any day

>>283378255 (OP)
I mean Spider-Man and Jonny Quest had some nice art and framing even Scooby Doo had some great backgrounds, I feel like it was the only time the two cartoons were equal on TV at least.

>>283384204
The only reason Speed Racer was popular is because it look like a regular action cartoon at the time, only thing different about it was the faces.

>>283382244
sometimes I like that flat or sketchy line look even more so from old anime.

>>283382866
Considering Dezaki’s impressionistic style, I can believe that. Dezaki even worked WITH Disney on some things like the Little Nemo movie, and Disney took inspiration from him in turn.

Animated human characters looked ugly until the late 1980s.
99% percent of everything prior does simply not look good. Sure there were appealing design choices and select moments that looked nice given the context.
But the artists back then were simply not able to draw a full human body as strinking and appealing as the stuff made in the late 80s and modern era.

>>283389508
it's always funny seeing those tourists that spam gifs/webms and pics of old fanservice like it's supposed to be hot when it's laughably childish every single time

>>283383765
oh, looks like Nanto might actually still be alive

>>283389508
>>283389648
Can't agree with you there. Moefication narrowed expression, which became ultimately more childish if anything. Otaku aren't known for being mature.

>>283378255 (OP)
I wonder what does /a/ thinks of gamma productions? Jay ward was thinking of his show animating in japan but choose mexico instead.

>>283393967
The total television cartoons they made that is not related to jay ward are formulaic

>>283384987
Shooting the shit about Japanimation and manga, of course!

>>283393967
The saving grace of most of Jay Ward's shows were the jokes.

>>283378844
>>283379703
>Disney '''''animation'''''
Ameritards not realizing all of that shit was rotoscoped.

>>283381809
>>283382123
You're acting like an autist

>>283395525
I agree even terrytoons and famous studios around that time also had animation becoming more choppier

>>283382599
They were the highest quality slop of their day. I've never really been a fan of their work, but I have a much greater appreciation for what they were doing after seeing what other studios were doing in the 60s and 70s.

TMS and Tiny Toons

>>283382866
He said it was his favourite animated film. He didn't watch animation that much, he was more into live action films, which are what helped inspire his directing.

>>283395604
That still required tons of skill

>>283389232
>Disney took inspiration from him in turn
Source?

>>283395871
Yes but it's not like Japan can't do it either & something like Ghost in the Shell or Akira is more impressive than any Disney movie from a technical standpoint.

>>283396001
http://style.fm/as/01_talk/morimoto03.shtml
There wouldn't even be an Akira without Disney breh.

>>283395688
The observation that animators are more inspired by live action is redundant, everyone is. Live action is just infinitely more common. If he chose to work in animation his entire life that doesn't mean nothing at all.

>>283397032
It's not a redundant statement at all. It suggests he couldn't hack it as a live action director, for starters (like Oshii, Tomino).

>>283395604
This is not rotoscoping, it's using a reference.

>>283382244
>backlighting
>this is an effect where a physical light source is held behind a cel
This is one of the main reasons I hate digital animation. Digital has never replicated this effect.

>>283397115
It is rotoscoping. Disney's movements are too fluid and IRL-like. Any animationfag will tell you so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKTCSLbjhtM
Meanwhile this is not rotoscoped but it literally took three decades to make. Such fluidity is not possible via conventional means.

>>283397528
The guy who made that film was friends with Disney animators, and that's how they made it in the first place, because they were partially educated by them. Like you seriously think Shere Khan is rotoscoped? Dumb.

>>283397965
>Like you seriously think Shere Khan is rotoscoped?
Jungle Book? Yes, it was. The overwhelming majority of Disney movies were rotoscoped. It's just a fact. Otherwise they would have much longer production times like Thief and the Cobbler.

>>283397211
It can easily do so.

>>283397528
I think the only problem with Disney using rotoscoping was that the footage they took enabled some serious corner cutting during their "dark age." But frankly every movie from that era is still better than the garbage they make now.

>>283398154
Most of Disney's rotoscoping if not all of it was used on human characters that they wanted to look natural. At most they might have used a stick or whatever to know where to place an animal character in a scene (see: Philip vs Dragon Maleficent.)

>>283378255 (OP)
>8 Man
I want to murder the boomer that somehow got his hands on video prints to put the show on DVD with shitty "remastered" audio.
https://youtu.be/0iB2ZLvdF7U?si=B1UQnMNRB34Ui1jJ

>>283378255 (OP)
>muh black and white anime from 1960s is kino
>H-B cartoons are crap
What a fucking weeb. Both animations had their own strength and weaknesses. Comparing them is retarded and I would only imagine greasy weebs to compare them.

>>283398939
Fucking sucks that old dubs like this get the bottomest of the bottom barrel treatment because boomers have no fucking standards.

>>283381711
What film is this? Interested in checking it out.

>>283389508
t. tourist
fuck disney
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH5eu4UUoQk

>>283399246
I think comparison is fair since Tobor the 8th Man would have been competing with Jonny Quest and Space Ghost in 60s Burgerland. Though those had an edge due to being in color provided your parents could afford a color TV set.
>greasy weebs
Fuck you buddy, I showered today.

We only care about post-moe anime like lucky star.

>>283378255 (OP)
AHEM!

>>283398154
>>283397528
The Thief and the Cobbler took so long due to difficulties with finances and management. It was not worked on tirelessly every day for three decades.

>>283399323
The Snow Queen 1957

>>283398154
>>283397528
>>283395604
How can you be so confidently wrong? Some very few scenes were rotoscoped and most of it was just reference.
You can tell when something is rotoscoped, Snow White, The fair in Pinocchio, nut most of it was not rotoscoped. Especially Alice. The live action footage is used as a reference. They do not trace of it.

>>283397066
What a wrong statement. He started working in anime when he was a teen in high school and kept at it all of his life, maybe because he loved anime and thought animation was best suited for him? Isn't passion and love for one's craft real?

>>283396001
>animation that came out in the 80s and 90s look better than ones from the 30s and 40s
You don't say

>>283397211
>Digital has never replicated this effect
It's very essy to replicate and when they go for a retro visual in a scene they do it.
They don't do it for normal.anime because it's visually associated with old stuff and most people don't wante the thing they want/make looking like it's 50 years old

>>283399814
Moe started in the '70s

>>283382244
Way to omit Victory Through Air Power

>>283396001
>Ghost in the Shell or Akira is more impressive than any Disney movie from a technical standpoint.
I know this is /a/ but Christ you people are embarrassing.

>>283401674
Nah they're right, Japan was the first nation to truly unlock the potential of animation.

>>283401722
Yes, in 2007, with the release of Lucky Star.

>>283401411
Most of the war propaganda made by Disney and by other studios at the time is treated with huge amounts of embarrassment. I'm surprised that they allowed them to be sold again, even if it was part of the Treasures collection in limited quantities.

>>283401974
Victory through air power isn't your average propaganda movie like The Fuehrer's Face. It's an adaption of a strategic proposal and supposed to convince the viewers to support land-based bombers over other troop types.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_Through_Air_Power
There's nothing really like it.

>>283401674
Disney stopped being impressive in the 60s.

They’re the most overrated animation company ever and would have faded into irrelevancy had they not found an audience with 90s kids and fans of musicals.

>>283398157
>can
I said it hasn't. Of course it can because you can take a (digital) screenshot of it, but no series HAS bothered to do it. Using practical effects like backlighting the cels or patterned glass to achieve water-like ripples, or even something as simple as the weight of the paint gave cel animation a unique look. All of these effects could have some analog (heh) in the digital age, but nobody bothers to do it and as a result digital looks like shit. The line art looks like shit, the flat colors look like shit and the effects look like shit.

>>283402250
>no series HAS bothered to do it
In Kaguya-sama S3 there's a segment when they homage Dezaki by using a fuckton ot techniques and visuals associated to him, among whose there's also backlightning.
That's only one example

>>283402095
>faded into irrelevancy
Animation wise, yes
Their merchandise/tertiary market empire was well beyond assured by the late '70s or earlier

>>283402095
lol

>>283402376
Shame about all that corporate bullshit going on behind the scenes.

>>283402980
Well it's a corporation, it goes without saying
Nothing good will last when zaibatsu are involved

Reminder to watch 60s Chinese animation

>>283399814
Lucky Star is fucking ass compared to 8 Man. Just a bunch of ugly little girls doing cutesy things and crying all the time

>>283405255
I agree, Lucky Star is pretty awful, K-On is better

>>283399948
If only Gear 5 was as good as the cartoons it emulates, such wasted potential.

>>283378255 (OP)
same

The first crush of many.

>>283378255 (OP)
>West
only usa
hana barbera warner and other companies sell the masters extremely and animes licence were way more cheapter. the rest of the world has moved on

>>283409111
The rest of the world didn't get big into anime until the late 90s with Dragon Ball and Sailor Moon, the same time as the U.S.A
Sure there were early hits like world masterpiece theatres but to most westerners these were just cartoons, no different to looney tunes and Tom and Jerry, most people did not even know they were coming from Japan.

>>283409977
Italians, Japanese or French aren't Westerners?

>>283410290
yes