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Anonymous No.283409770 [Report] >>283410462 >>283412071 >>283412175 >>283412291 >>283412844 >>283413165
children can’t consent to murder suicide
putting a gag on a little girl is sexualizing children.
this show is military recruitment propaganda(hashira training arc is just boot camp) and also reinforces the myths surrounding the ruling class of japan and their supposed superiority over the regular people. That last bit is every pretty much every anime tho so whatever I’m used to it.
Anonymous No.283409944 [Report] >>283410011
it's not nearly well written enough for any of this conversation
Anonymous No.283410011 [Report] >>283410593
>>283409944
so there’s this thing called criticism. I’ll let you look it up. It’s how people talk about bad things, it’s pretty popular actually.
What’s actually not worth doing is getting through this new captcha just to post. This cia-owned shithole gets worse every year
Anonymous No.283410462 [Report]
>>283409770 (OP)
Sounds good, picked up!
>it's shounen shit
Dropped again.
Anonymous No.283410523 [Report] >>283410917
It's just a shounen in its most generic form
Anonymous No.283410593 [Report]
>>283410011
your telling me brother

it all went wrong when moot removed those lesbian lolis
Anonymous No.283410898 [Report] >>283412041 >>283412085
The demon slayer organization is a terrorist cult. They all follow the charismatic leader who suicide bombed himself.

Demons should be protected.
Anonymous No.283410917 [Report]
>>283410523
No that would be Jujutsu Kaisen
Anonymous No.283411081 [Report] >>283411826
Bombing your children is really fucked up.
He should've just killed himself and maybe his wife too if she was on board with the idea.
Anonymous No.283411826 [Report]
>>283411081
yeah and he’s like the moral foundation of the entire group, everyone reveres him and views him as a martyr when he literally used his children as bait in a suicide bombing
Anonymous No.283411892 [Report] >>283412012
The children had to die because Muzan would've been suspicious if they weren't around.
Just like how in real life, it's much more practical for cash-strapped fighter organizations to use child soldiers since they're cheaper to get, much more loyal, and is a very effective psychological tactic against enemy soldiers.
Anonymous No.283412012 [Report] >>283412147 >>283412196
>>283411892
yeah I know it was an effective tactical maneuver, but the point is that our heroes have effectively abandoned the moral high ground, which would be cool if they played into that, but it’s not like the show is a subversion of morality. It still tries to push its themes and morals on the audience while showing our heroes to be total hypocrites, willing to do whatever it takes for revenge.
Anonymous No.283412041 [Report] >>283412063 >>283412085
>>283410898
If your thought process leads you to that final statement it is usually wrong
Anonymous No.283412063 [Report] >>283412155
>>283412041
You sayin' you wanna side with the terrorists?
Anonymous No.283412071 [Report]
>>283409770 (OP)
>reinforces the myths surrounding the ruling class of japan and their supposed superiority over the regular people.
Anonymous No.283412085 [Report]
>>283412041
>>283410898
terrorism is a stupid word invented by those with a monopoly on force to delegitimize all use of force other than their own
Anonymous No.283412147 [Report] >>283412266
>>283412012
I mean, the whole deal with the pillars and such was that literally everyone is in love with the head honcho and would willingly throw their lives away for his cause. It's not a morals thing, he's just being practical since his ultimate goal is protecting (some) of his children from the curse. He's got his priorities straight and it's not his fault others are so easily manipulated.
Anonymous No.283412155 [Report] >>283412187
>>283412063
What the other guy said, I don't tend to see "terrorist" as a valid descriptor and so "terrorist" groups can be enemies or friends depending on their actual ideologies and actions
Anonymous No.283412175 [Report]
>>283409770 (OP)
>putting a gag on a little girl is sexualizing children.
OUT OF 10!
Anonymous No.283412187 [Report] >>283412211
>>283412155
You sayin you wanna side with the extremist cult?
Anonymous No.283412196 [Report] >>283412218 >>283412266
>>283412012
The kids are special and have adult and beyond levels of intelligence, poise, and moral consideration. They saw that this was a once in a thousand-years chance to strike at the source of endless murders and grief. The scene shows they were critical in putting Muzan at ease while the trap was closing on him. The theme of Demon Slayer is mortality and death.
Anonymous No.283412211 [Report]
>>283412187
Demons are bad.
Anonymous No.283412218 [Report]
>>283412196
So you're saying the kids can consent?
Woohoo.
Anonymous No.283412266 [Report] >>283412324 >>283412361
>>283412147
>anything is ok as long as it helps my family
>>283412196
the point is that they’re no better than the demons they kill, pursuing pure self interest at any cost. Which would be fine, you know, if that was the theme, but nah it’s all about being a good soldier and sacrificing for the state, bushido and all that.
Anonymous No.283412291 [Report]
>>283409770 (OP)
Anonymous No.283412324 [Report]
>>283412266
That's a good theme.
Anonymous No.283412361 [Report] >>283412410
>>283412266
They're sacrificing to protect others from a murderer that can't be stopped any other way.
Anonymous No.283412410 [Report] >>283412457 >>283412479
>>283412361
children can’t consent to being sacrificed, though that’s often of lesser consideration to men with plans and “greater goods.”
Anonymous No.283412457 [Report] >>283412569
>>283412410
The kids are special and have adult and beyond levels of intelligence, poise, and moral consideration.
Anonymous No.283412479 [Report] >>283412507 >>283412569
>>283412410
Nobody can consent to anything on a purely individual basis because what one finds desirable or undesirable is often socially conditioned or shaped by group norms. Some people direct the group, usually the people that can get other people to listen and follow them. There's nothing wrong with this.
Anonymous No.283412507 [Report]
>>283412479
Ultimately also in *this* case what you're getting at is probably a desire to be antisocial in Japan. I'm sorry your visa was denied.
Anonymous No.283412569 [Report] >>283412604 >>283412615
>>283412457
a child’s brain is incapable of informed consent
>>283412479
scientists have literally confirmed that the brain is not fully developed until 25, but we have compromised with 18 as the age where people can legally consent to things because they are considered to have the mental capacity to have informed consent. While true consent can’t happen until 25, and people are manipulated by their environment, they are at least, theoretically, capable of informed consent, even if conditions lead to them being uninformed.
Anonymous No.283412604 [Report]
>>283412569
Real children shouldn't sacrifice themselves for justice. Unless they are really cool and smart.
Anonymous No.283412615 [Report] >>283412719
>>283412569
Are you stupid? I'm not arguing with you about what "scientists" say. I'm dismissing the relevance of individualistic consent-ethics in the context of group conflict.
Anonymous No.283412719 [Report] >>283412820 >>283412994 >>283413008
>>283412615
that’s a really fancy way to say you support child sacrifice, child soldiers, and probably a lot of horrible things during war.
Consent is definitely relevant to the “context of group conflict,” because it’s when we decide as a society that a person is capable of making the decision to participate in group conflicts. It’s literally the age of military conscription. You’re being disingenuous to win the debate, I understand it’s frustrating to meet somebody who’s thought this through more than you
Anonymous No.283412820 [Report] >>283412994 >>283413222
>>283412719
In existential conflicts, people below the age of majority commonly participate because the alternative is seen as the end of the group, or because they feel they have a right or duty to participate in the defense of their entire world. I want you to go tell a Palestinian kid that he's being "exploited" and used as a "child sacrifice". Or, historically, Soviet partisan kids or German Volkssturm kids.
You're a liberal. It's not your fault, you were raised that way.
Anonymous No.283412844 [Report]
>>283409770 (OP)
>IMG_1217
Anonymous No.283412994 [Report] >>283413222
>>283412820
>>283412719
Actually, as an American (you are an American), you may not have the cultural memory or historical depth to understand what I'm saying. America has never faced an existential threat and so "conscription" to fight an unnecessary war like the Pacific War or Vietnam is the highest water mark for conflict in your eyes. This is an inaccurate but understandable view and probably conditions your revulsion toward the idea that circumstances might compel you to sacrifice for your group, even without your "consent."
Anonymous No.283413008 [Report] >>283413056
>>283412719
I support war, yes. War is the lawful way of killing people. Someone disagrees with you in war, you tell your men to go kill them. It's moral and fair.
Anonymous No.283413056 [Report]
>>283413008
War is outside most kinds of law. Law in war is what everyone agrees it is, which is a fundamentally different kind of law from the law of the state, which is enforced by sovereign violence.
War is not good but it is inescapable.
Anonymous No.283413165 [Report]
>>283409770 (OP)
Anon, what the fuck are you talking about?
Anonymous No.283413222 [Report] >>283413288 >>283413333
>>283412820
while it can always be argued that manipulating children can be useful for whatever goal you want to achieve, it cannot be said that you are not manipulating people and violating their consent. War itself is a violation of consent.
I would argue that whatever tactical advantage child soldiers bring to a conflict is overshadowed by the damage to the narrative, and the loss of the moral high ground. Morals might be subjective, but a good story is valuable to any war effort, having the moral high ground helps with recruitment.
You know what’s better than a bunch of small tactical advantages on the battlefield? An army that is twice the size because it inspires loyalty and love, and all those stupid evil things you did for small tactical advantages actually leaves you with a smaller army in a worse position over time.
You discussion of war is as juvenile as your ethics, but I’m willing to entertain either.
>>283412994
Support for specific wars is irrelevant. You’re basically justifying manipulation and the violation of consent for subjective war goals, which is a bad precedent, and actually weakens a nation long term. Lies and tricks are great in the short term, but they sow seeds of distrust in the long term and diminish a nation in the eyes of its peers. In the same way, tricking people into fighting so that the rich can get richer is not actually in the best interest of the United States, nor is manipulating children to die for you. Everything thinks their goals are justified, and so everyone sacrifices everyone else for themselves, and empires fall. I’m a moral relativist and nihilist, and I think using child soldiers is bad actually in a purely cost-benefit material analysis. A good story is worth a billion bullets. “We sacrifice children” is not a good story. Your understanding of warfare is as naive as your philosophy, seeking tactical gains at the expense of strategic sense.
Anonymous No.283413288 [Report] >>283413333 >>283413357
>>283413222
Moral high ground? The fuck are you talking about? Moral high ground doesn't win wars. Efficiency is what wins wars. The question of using child soldiers should be whether or not war is won quicker by using them.

the ultimate objective of war is to kill. Kill them now with weapons, or kill them in jail when they disagree with you later if they surrender.
Anonymous No.283413333 [Report] >>283413357
>>283413222
>I'm a [...] nihilist
Okay, thanks for copping to that. The rest of your niggerbabble is the fruit of a poisoned tree.
(You're not actually a nihilist btw, you're a liberal, which has specific moral pieties. But you believe you're a nihilist, which means that nothing you say has moral value by your own admission.)

>>283413288
The object of war is to accomplish concrete political objectives in conflict with another political community. Those objectives are not always extermination but a war of extermination is possible, if undesirable.
Anonymous No.283413357 [Report]
>>283413288
>>283413333
Ironically, you anon are espousing a genuinely more nihilistic position than the professed nihilist.