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Anonymous No.283549541 [Report] >>283549659 >>283549896 >>283550871 >>283553571 >>283557128
>whole niche is the 2deep4u plot
>the plot doesn't actually make sense
>t-the plot doesn't akschually matter
>the characters, except eva, are garbage
Is this reasonable? Or is it a cope? Can you have a good story without a good plot and characters?
Anonymous No.283549659 [Report] >>283549863
>>283549541 (OP)
Yeah, it's fine. Imo the point of art is to either make you feel, or make you think. If you can achieve one or both of those things, it doesn't matter how you do it. It can be through plot, or characters, or themes, or visual imagery and sound, whatever. If I walk away having been affected emotionally and/or given something to think about, then to me that's a successful work of art.
Anonymous No.283549863 [Report] >>283549949
>>283549659
The purpose of art is to elevate the soul
Anonymous No.283549896 [Report] >>283549988 >>283550318 >>283553016
>>283549541 (OP)
I think what makes Eva so successful, apart from having such strong characters and themes, is that its plot really isn't nonsensical. It's told in a way that is purposefully confusing and a handful of key details weren't revealed publicly until later on, but if you're willing to put the pieces together you'll find it's actually very internally consistent and basically everything in the story has an explanation and makes sense. At this point, the only things that are really ambiguous are certain character motivations and thematic intentions.
And yeah, again details of the plot are obfuscated to the audience sometimes, but the fact that they wrote the show with an internal lore bible means that everything is consistent and makes just enough sense to draw the audience into the mystery and reward them for paying attention and digging deeper. There never comes a point where you hit a wall in understanding and realize you're wasting your time; instead, you get those "oh, so THAT'S what happened" moments. (at least this applies to the original series, the Rebuilds are a different story and I think suffered a bit from not being so well thought out)

Something like FLCL I don't think the plot is that important because the show is clearly intended to push the boundaries of anime as an audio-visual medium, and not a narrative one. And I think you have to approach it with that in mind.
Anonymous No.283549949 [Report] >>283550019
>>283549863
And how do you achieve that?
Anonymous No.283549988 [Report] >>283550029
>>283549896
>the Rebuilds are a different story and I think suffered a bit from not being so well thought out
asushinbro...
Anonymous No.283550019 [Report] >>283550279
>>283549949
You start by being honest
Truth, beauty, and goodness are all inherently linked
If you want to tell a good story, one that will have people in awe of how beautiful it is, your emotional core and everything else all need to have some truth that they hang on
So if you write some edgy fantasy where the MC is a standin for your trauma and gripes with the world and then what happens to them is written to fulfill what you wanted to happen to you in some way or another, rather than a proper exploration and introspective look at these things, congratulations you've made slop
Anonymous No.283550029 [Report] >>283550387
>>283549988
I actually think 3.0+1.0 is great thematically and I like where Shinji ended up. I just think a lot of the plot stuff that led there was just throwing shit at the wall for spectacle. Maybe one day we'll get the Rebuild equivalent of the PS2 lore drops that explains shit, but I doubt it.
Anonymous No.283550279 [Report] >>283550291
>>283550019
I don't think honesty is a core value of all art.
Anonymous No.283550291 [Report] >>283550363
>>283550279
Why not
Anonymous No.283550318 [Report] >>283550776
>>283549896
Evangelion truly is remarkable. The amount of lore they came up with for that show is unparalleled in anime. And yeah, some of the lore came from the PS2 game and even though I watched the show a couple times I never pieced out some things but it's all there.
Anonymous No.283550363 [Report] >>283550373 >>283551016
>>283550291
Because an artist can create something that they've never seen, or something that doesn't even exist. There's nothing truthful about inventing a color from out of time and space, other than the trivialities of sharing an existence with us.
Anonymous No.283550373 [Report]
>>283550363
>Because an artist can create something that they've never seen, or something that doesn't even exist.
Romantic Propaganda
Anonymous No.283550387 [Report]
>>283550029
rebuilds were just a commercial cashgrab, they're as committee written as modern hollywood slop.
Anonymous No.283550403 [Report]
>FLCL
I miss The Pillows so much, it makes me sad to know that I'll never be able to hear them live.
https://youtu.be/azoeGIzKNXY
Anonymous No.283550776 [Report] >>283550842 >>283551220
>>283550318
Is not there, the lore is poorly explained and written
Anonymous No.283550842 [Report]
>>283550776
wrong
Anonymous No.283550871 [Report] >>283550966
>>283549541 (OP)
The real joke here is when things like Sonny Boy happen
>retards
>damn this anime is deep, everything is perfectly crafted you just don't see it
>the creators
>we had no fucking clue on what we were doing
Anonymous No.283550966 [Report]
>>283550871
What about DoA
Anonymous No.283551016 [Report]
>>283550363
There isn't?
Anonymous No.283551220 [Report]
>>283550776
Evangelion is shit at explaining and shit at creating lore. The only interesting part are the characters but they are basic as fuck and were ruined by the over exposition of 25&26. The rebuilds are the same shit but ×10 worse
Anonymous No.283553016 [Report]
>>283549896
BEST post thus far
Anonymous No.283553056 [Report] >>283553066
Can you understand Eva without watching 0079?
Anonymous No.283553066 [Report] >>283553090
>>283553056
no, eva is an original story
Anonymous No.283553090 [Report]
>>283553066
I am so goddamn tired of ESLs on here. I will go to Reddit if they type in English that actually makes sense.
Anonymous No.283553571 [Report] >>283554968
>>283549541 (OP)
The difference is that Sonny Reddit is pretentious and not entertaining
Anonymous No.283554968 [Report]
>>283553571
it's a deep coming of age
Anonymous No.283557128 [Report]
>>283549541 (OP)
But the plot is pretty straightforward (angels invade Earth.. isn't it just Kamen Rider) and characters are alright.