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Without waifufaggotry or pedophilia accusations, explain why you like or dislike Mushoku Tensei.
What do you like about the series -- the plot, the worldbuilding, the MC’s character development?
And if not, why do you dislike it? Is it pure wish fulfillment, Rudeus’ behavior, or something else entirely?

it's pure wish fulfillment, the only artistic value this has is the visual aspect of the anime. the writing is not good, ugly people can't write good fiction

>>283581300 (OP)
>why do you dislike it?
Writer is a pretentious piece of shit that got a manga canceled because he thought it was making fun of him.

>>283581300 (OP)
There's nothing to explain really when you see a masterpiece you know one.
This series will become a classic after it gets fully adapted for years to come.

>>283581300 (OP)
It's pretty good overall and has very high highs. Unfortunately it's also overly reliant on these highs and the ending isn't included in it so the main story leaves a bit of a bad taste in one's mouth wondering "what if the ending was on the same level as the turning points?" as then it could have been quite exceptional.

>>283581300 (OP)
It's more so what they didn't include. The dialogue felt serious, as opposed to the marvel tier quips that happen constantly in other fantasy anime. In terms of isekai I think its the third best out of all of them. Familiar of Zero > ReZero > MT, even if MT has a better art style.

its fucking boring

>>283581300 (OP)
The first season was fun because it had adventure to it. The second season was bogged down by the school and broken penis plot lines. Overall it's just okay.

>>283581300 (OP)
I like that the MC is a fucking loser who is not even a good person before he died.
And he's not a goody two shoes morally rigtheous character after.
He's still a recovering degenerate.
Yes he has pedo tendencies but he becomes a decent person along the journey.
He ha a lot of friends and romantic partners, people trust him.
So Mushoku is really about a mentally broken person getting a second chance in life and he redeems himself

I hate MT because I hate the ending and after stories, particularly Aisha crap. I'd probably be literal zealot for the series if we got a volume or two of slice of life after beating Hitogami, less suggestion he neglected his kids to waste time larping as salaryman, and handled Aisha differently.

>>283581300 (OP)
No

>>283581300 (OP)
It has exceptional character writing even among literary fiction. I read a lot, and Rudeus Greyrat is on it the best-written characters I've encountered in literature.

>>283581300 (OP)
mc is irredeemable

>>283584021
lol, lmao

>>283581300 (OP)
it's too much of an NPD cope wank for me to enjoy

The redundancy volume still isn't translated?

>>283581300 (OP)
Finished it finally after binging it for 3 months. Was pretty fun and i liked the characters. Also, this guy is the true MVP without a doubt.

>>283581387
Fpbp
/thread

>>283581300 (OP)
Oh shit its the blue hair megumin knock off

>>283584021
>I read a lot
Your mom's "romance books" aboit minotaur farms are not real literature.

>>283581300 (OP)
Were you having Mushoku Tensei shitposting withdrawals, faggot? kill yourself.

>>283581300 (OP)
Goku solos

>Great Male characters
>Very Good female characters
>Great Lore and World Building
>Very good Magic/Power System
>Actually completed story unlike most Isekai LN/WN
>it makes trannys, faggots, women and niggers on twitter seethe
>Good aesthetic to the world(in contrast with Re:Zeros clown world aesthetic)
>Males side characters aren't made the butt of the Joke
>MC isn't a bitch when it comes to sex and romance
>Lack of black and white morals which means every characters isn't just some shitty hero vs villain trope, some are cheaters, rapist, murderers, degenerates, and liars, but they can still at the same time be intelligent, caring, heroic, ambitious and Loving.

Mushoku Tensei knew what it wanted to be and executed it greatly, not perfectly but there's nothing perfect(which MT shows us in it's very story). All in all Mushoku Tensei: Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu is the best Isekai to ever been written.

>>283581300 (OP)
No character growth just rewards and crying, shit is basically like steven universe where the writers thinks having characters cry and have a meltdown is good writing

>>283586347
Stop over exaggerating, disingenuous faggot.

>>283585678
That guy was MVP, is MVP and will be MVP always.
>>283584021
There are MC who don't carry and MCs who carry. Rudeus Greyrat is the man who carries. Simple as indeed.

>>283586394
Start learning English, Rajesh.

>>283586827
Don't forget to kill yourself, tranny.

>>283586138
Basically this. I also like that it takes its time and shows us Rudeus entire life more or less, even the slower parts, rather than mindlessly jumping around to the action bits or leaving the characters the same age forever for marketing purposes. Not every part of it is overwhelmingly exciting but it worries more about the journey than the destination

>>283581300 (OP)
It's the usual case of "clever but bad" where a story is deeply flawed for reasons unrelated to the technical execution, full of dishonest masterbatory nonsense the author clearly included as unhealthy cope for personal issues and not for true artistry.

another ack bait thread just like the last one.

It's isekai, should I say more?

>>283581300 (OP)
Op should've asked the responders to provide examples of what they mean. Most of this thread is ad hominem, straw manning or circle jerking. Some people are also just straight up lying.

>a decade+ ago /a/ would unanimously love MT and it's waifus
>nu-/a/ cant have a single thread about it without endless seethe and meltdown
When did this place get so gay? You'd expect this kind of behavior from reddit

>>283581300 (OP)
Best character writing easily in any Isekai.
People can shit as much as they want truth is that if you look at Mushoku Tensei characters they are written rather realistically nobody is perfect but also nobody is cartoonish evil like for example Paul is scum that cheats on his wife but when shit hits the fan he pushes trough and cares a lot about his family even if he gets into fight with Rudeus because he is jealous they still made up and he realizes that he have only one family.... and that's just a side character.

World writing is amazing whole thing feels like journey it's not character centric but rather character explores world and Rudeus get to change something but not much.

>>283587223
You really think you wouldn't have retards going "it's popular therefore it's shit" a decade ago? Because that's why all the seethe amounts to. It just has some sort of normalfag stench now.

>>283581300 (OP)
Men being happy = bad
Men being unhappy = bad
Men = bad

This sums up every criticism towards any similar show.

>>283587262
So you're saying it's just contrarionism. Because a decade+ ago a show like MT would not be in the normalfag sphere at all.

>>283587290
It's the normies and pretentious fucks who cares about their online image like somebody actually cares ... if they were in Rudeus situation they would do same if not worse.

>>283587176
That just how every mt thread goes, which is all you need to know about the true quality of this "masterpiece".

>>283587290
Nonsense

>>283587304
Sure. But that doesn't really matter. The relative popularity would have been roughly the same. But the internet was a bit less gay a decade ago. So the seethe might have been a bit less gay, too. Who knows.

The light novel series were already one of the best as far as isekai light novels go just in terms of storywriting, worldbuilding and character development. then somehow, a studio was setup just to make that first season (it was the purpose of the founding of the studio), and a magical group of passionate people somehow got together, with autistic levels of attention to detail, and made that first season. the contrasting voice acting of rudeus inner monologue vs. in-world speech was also genius. it was just a lighting in a bottle moment where everything came together. second season wasn't remotely as good, but it had won enough goodwill with the first season for people to give it a chance, and it wasn't half-bad in the end. we'll see how one of the best arcs of the series will get its adaptation next year with season 3.

>>283587223
>You'd expect this kind of behavior from reddit
No, why do you think that? Reddit loves MT. MT is extremely popular among normies in japan and in the west.

I like it not because it’s wish fulfillment, but because it’s exceptionally good at wish fulfillment.

>>283587393
>>283587449
I don't know how old you anons are but the internet and the world was a very different place back then. Anime has only recently become socially accepted, if not the "cool" thing among young people now. A show like MT with a perverted MC, lolis and harem would not have been popular with the masses in the west back then

>>283587586
I simply do not wish for a harem

Sylphy is best girl, I'll watch anything with an elf but she's in a class of her own. Pure grace and love. God she's wonderful.

>>283587696
Im from eastern Europe and before i even had internet i was watching anime on TV channel called Animax. Read or Die, Cowboy Bebop, Naruto, etc... old time classics later in 2003 i got internet and Anime communities were pretty normal and closed nobody gave a shit about loli being in show retards now see one loli or some fanservice and they are having mental breakdowns. Anime should have been gatekept harder.

>>283587176
Sounds like it'd be easy to prove the liars wrong

>>283587696
It wasn't AS popular, but it would have still spread among any anime-related community either way.

>>283581300 (OP)
its boring

>>283587796
So why didn't you gatekeep it harder

Back in the days we used to laugh at pervs in anime and went about our day, now we're bombarded with "muh rape culture" or "muh pedos" or "why do men exist" any time an ecchi scene is shown and it doesn't even have to include a man in the scene because if it isn't gay it's for "the male gaze".

>>283587858
I tried but retards always go and "HEY ANIME IS COOL WHY DON'T YOU TRY TO WATCH IT..." this is the problem. But yet there is a hope new Japanese anti-censor laws in anime are going to be soon in place and i hope they add shit ton of eechi and lolis so normies will literally kill themselves and finally go watch some gay Disney productions.

>>283587796
>>283587822
Speaking from experience in the west, admitting you liked anime, period, was a social death sentence 15-20 years ago. Hell, it was a death sentence when I was in college and that was only a decade ago. Only the "weirdest" people were open about it and they were almost always written off as outcasts and freaks

>>283587915
People here were into anime just a bit so it wasn't that bad because Naruto was really popular so nobody really was like "EWW anime" or something but problem was they didn't know shit about everything else.

>>283581300 (OP)
It's just another generic isekai that looks the same as all the other shit rolling off the assembly line, but it's attracted a S;G/HxH-level pseud fanbase that acts like it's the pinnacle of fiction because the MC is unlikeable.

>>283587915
You should probably stop obsessing about the average normalfag's perception of anime. It doesn't really matter. You'd notice how popular things get on the internet either way. It wouldn't spread as much but popular shit would still be popular, relatively speaking.
Also I went to college in like 2013 and within the first couple of weeks I had a bunch of people I'd discuss seasonal anime with, I never even bothered mentioning it, shit just came up on its own, and no one gave a fuck, but I guess that depends on the country.

>>283588016
>You should probably stop obsessing about the average normalfag's perception of anime.
I'm not, I'm simply speaking from experience what it was like before anime caught on with the normalfag crowd. My point is a show like MT would not be discussed outside of places like this, but now even /a/ melts down about it almost verbatim exactly like your average western highschool students would back then

>>283587763
For me it’s less about the harem and more about being OP and desirable in a fantasy world. I would happily be monogamous with Roxy.

>>283588088
Roxy is fine but she is basically intruder same with Eris she left him he even got erectile dysfunction the only woman who cared about him is Sylphiette and i don't wanna hear about that crap about how Eris actually loves him she just gone away because she wanted to be stronger.

>>283587997
>another generic isekai
What does this even entail? Don't "generic isekai" usually go along this route?
>Summoned by a random kingdom
>Given a cheat skill by some god or goddess(Usually either a loli or tit monster)
>Must defeat the demon king
>Skills and XP
>Humans are actually the bad guys

>>283581387
>>283581955
F/SBPB. Truly say it all

>>283587911
>normies
Fuck off.

>>283588535
Normie.
Do you get offended on some r34 art too ?
Did your feelings hurt when you saw Mushoku Tensei ?
Did you changed genders recently ?

>>283588313
There's so much different isekai now that your example applies to less than half. Mt really isn't special, but you already knew that.

>>283588622
Yet you fail to explain what makes it a generic isekai, and if the fact that it's an isekai to begin with is what makes it generic then every series is generic unless it was the first few of it's genre.

>>283587223
Yeah, and old /a/ had terrible taste.
All anime popular on this board were edgy shit or things enjoyed surely for their shock value and meme potential like Boku no Pico.

Old /a/ would have liked the protag for being a piece of shit but probably say he's a bargain bin Rance. Why settle for a pedo when you can have the more shocking and edgy rape man?

>>283588742
>what makes it a generic isekai
The method of reincarnation, being reborn in a minor noble family, being op, harem, just to name a few.

>>283581300 (OP)
I don't dislike it but after S1 it fell off unfortunately

>>283589285
>The method of reincarnation
Outside of the truck accident, I haven't read a single isekai with the reincarnation aspect of MT. Also wasn't MT one of the few series that made getting Truck-Kun'd a fad? How many did it prior to 2012? If something copies the original does that make it generic? Is Lord of the rings generic since so many fantasy series take from it?
>being reborn in a minor noble family
Sure I can grant you this one. Even though Paul and Zenith had no noble title when Rudy was born, and even until his death, Since they both had abandoned their noble families to be come village wagecucks.
>being op
That's not Isekai specific, even then Rudeus isn't even the most powerful person in the story let alone the history of MT's world.
>harem
I can grant you this one I guess. It's a easy out if I'm being honest and something

>>283589648
the reason people call it generic isekai is because a lot of modern isekai of the past 10 years were directly influenced by mushoku tensei...

>>283588568
Don't reply to me if you can's speak proper English, worm.

>>283581300 (OP)
I just dislike narou out of principle.

>>283589648
But this harem has relevance to the story
And tons of sex
And children that exist before the epilogue and have importance to the plot

>>283590052
>But this harem has relevance to the story
Lmao.
>And tons of sex
Arifureta, Black Summoner, Loner Life, Farming Life, just to name a few.
>And children that exist before the epilogue
Other mcs have enough brains to wait before their girls grow up enough so that the pregnancy is not a life-threatening issue, not to mention the whole defeating the demon lord thing that usually occurs in those stories.
>and have importance to the plot
Yeah, when you try to milk as much money as possible and drag the series, that can occur.

>>283581300 (OP)
I dislike that it's sold as a story of the MC becoming a better person. He took the actions that were the most profitable for him and increased his power and advantage over others.
It's typical of isekai to make it a world where there are ample opportunities to "do good deeds" and also profit at the same time - i.e. rescue the princess and she wants to marry you and give you a kingdom, defeat a bad guy terrorizing the town and he drops a valuable item that you take.
tl;dr bad person becomes "good" in a world where being good gets you prime pussy and this is supposed to be admirable when anyone else would do the same thing

>>283591074
>no argument
>fair
>no argument
>no argument
easy MT win

I think the reasons I enjoyed it so much is because it's the only Isekai I've seen for a while that didn't have some gimmick twist from the outset.
>Isekai but he's a psycho loli
>Isekai but he's a Red Ranger
>Isekai but it's post-isekai and he's banging the dark elf
But Mushoku Tensei is just straightforward and sincere about it. The closest recent one like it I can think of is Konosuba, and it's still kinda "Isekai but they're all idiots".
It's Vanilla, but it's high quality Vanilla.

>>283581300 (OP)
>What do you like about the series -- the plot, the worldbuilding, the MC’s character development?
I do.
>why do you dislike it?
Because it gets overshadowed by wasting time on the things you asked me not to mention. Weird how that works, isn't it? It has so many strengths but throws them all away for SEX SEX SEX UUUUUOOOOHHHHH HAREM FANTASY SEX SEX SEX HOOOOOO OOOOOOHHHH UOOOOOOHHHH!

>>283589648
>they both had abandoned their noble families to be come village wagecucks.
Wasn't Paul like, the local lord? Of just a rural farming village, sure, but he's still the head honcho with a two story house, maid, and enough money to hire a pretty decent mage to tutor his son.
And that's definitely because he's a Greyrat, though I'm sure he still has some savings from his adventuring days.

>>283591346
>isekai but it's post-isekai and he's banging the dark elf
The oje that aired recently? Do they really bang? It looked like total bait to me.

>>283591423
No. Rudeus mentions that Paul is essentially a glorified body guard in vol 1. His money is probably mostly from adventuring, his party did explore labyrinths after all, though he is probably contracted by the local lords, which are the greyrats if I'm not mistaken, so he probably earns decent enough.

>>283591454
I have to admit it's just been sitting in my backlog, so I dunno, but it's still an adaptation of a hentai.

>>283581300 (OP)
>Animeonly
I like the worldbuilding. There's a lot of mystery in what is going on. Rudeus is just funny enough for his antics to not be annoying, and he's not massively overpowered to the point conflict becomes boring.
I am continuously annoyed that he found himself in an academy with a giant library and hasn't bothered to look up anything about the person who nearly killed him, the human god, or anything else actually useful, but I don't expect isekai writing to be good all the time.

>>283591423
>Wasn't Paul like, the local lord?
No, he was a Knight of a relatively safe village, basically a sheriff at best.
>>283591423
>And that's definitely because he's a Greyrat, though I'm sure he still has some savings from his adventuring days.
It's because the actual lord of the territory is paying him wages, he's literally a wagecuck for his cousin, well paid relatively speaking to the rest of the villagers but still a wage cuck. He was going broke and had to beg his cousin for a job.

>>283591454
>Do they really bang?
Yeah, in the official H-Doujin of the story.

>>283591542
>I am continuously annoyed that he found himself in an academy with a giant library and hasn't bothered to look up anything about the person who nearly killed him, the human god, or anything else actually useful, but I don't expect isekai writing to be good all the time.
I'm sure he does those things in the LN, but even then he's not the kind of character who'd care in the first place, I mean the only reason he even went to the school was to fix his dick.

>>283591346
but it's still isekai

>>283592067
Yeah, not Isekai with sprinkles and chocolate sauce and a cherry on top.
Just Isekai.

>>283591376
Yeah pretty much

>>283591346
>Isekai but he's a NEET otaku